Top 34 Prospects: St. Louis Cardinals
Below is an analysis of the prospects in the farm system of the St. Louis Cardinals. Scouting reports are compiled with information provided by industry sources as well as from our own (both Eric Longenhagen’s and Kiley McDaniel’s) observations. For more information on the 20-80 scouting scale by which all of our prospect content is governed you can click here. For further explanation of the merits and drawbacks of Future Value, read this.
All of the numbered prospects here also appear on The Board, a new feature at the site that offers sortable scouting information for every organization. That can be found here.
| Rk | Name | Age | Highest Level | Position | ETA | FV |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Nolan Gorman | 19.7 | A+ | 3B | 2021 | 55 |
| 2 | Dylan Carlson | 21.2 | AAA | LF | 2020 | 55 |
| 3 | Matthew Liberatore | 20.2 | A | LHP | 2022 | 50 |
| 4 | Ivan Herrera | 19.6 | AA | C | 2023 | 50 |
| 5 | Zack Thompson | 22.2 | A+ | LHP | 2022 | 45+ |
| 6 | Andrew Knizner | 24.9 | MLB | C | 2020 | 45 |
| 7 | Genesis Cabrera | 23.3 | MLB | LHP | 2020 | 45 |
| 8 | Lane Thomas | 24.4 | MLB | CF | 2020 | 40+ |
| 9 | Jhon Torres | 19.8 | A | RF | 2023 | 40+ |
| 10 | Trejyn Fletcher | 18.7 | R | CF | 2024 | 40+ |
| 11 | Junior Fernandez | 22.9 | MLB | RHP | 2020 | 40+ |
| 12 | Johan Oviedo | 21.9 | AA | RHP | 2022 | 40+ |
| 13 | Edmundo Sosa | 23.9 | MLB | SS | 2020 | 40 |
| 14 | Elehuris Montero | 21.4 | AA | 3B | 2021 | 40 |
| 15 | Kodi Whitley | 24.9 | AAA | RHP | 2020 | 40 |
| 16 | Tony Locey | 21.5 | A | RHP | 2023 | 40 |
| 17 | Luken Baker | 22.8 | A+ | 1B | 2021 | 40 |
| 18 | Jake Woodford | 23.2 | AAA | RHP | 2020 | 40 |
| 19 | Juan Yepez | 21.9 | AA | 1B | 2021 | 40 |
| 20 | Ramon Urias | 25.6 | AAA | 2B | 2019 | 40 |
| 21 | Mateo Gil | 19.5 | A+ | SS | 2023 | 40 |
| 22 | Roel Ramirez | 24.6 | AAA | RHP | 2020 | 40 |
| 23 | Malcom Nunez | 18.8 | A | 1B | 2024 | 40 |
| 24 | Seth Elledge | 23.6 | AAA | RHP | 2019 | 40 |
| 25 | Patrick Romeri | 18.5 | R | RF | 2023 | 35+ |
| 26 | Andre Pallante | 21.3 | A- | RHP | 2023 | 35+ |
| 27 | Adanson Cruz | 19.3 | R | RF | 2023 | 35+ |
| 28 | Steven Gingery | 22.3 | R | LHP | 2020 | 35+ |
| 29 | Jesus Cruz | 24.7 | AAA | RHP | 2020 | 35+ |
| 30 | Justin Williams | 24.4 | MLB | LF | 2019 | 35+ |
| 31 | Griffin Roberts | 23.6 | A+ | RHP | 2019 | 35+ |
| 32 | Connor Jones | 25.3 | AAA | RHP | 2019 | 35+ |
| 33 | Edgardo Rodriguez | 19.1 | R | C | 2023 | 35+ |
| 34 | Rodard Avelino | 20.6 | A | RHP | 2024 | 35+ |
Other Prospects of Note
Grouped by type and listed in order of preference within each category.
Catching Depth
Julio Rodriguez, C
Pedro Pages, C
José Godoy, C
Rodriguez, 22, has some power and arm strength, and aside from a bad 2018, he’s always performed. Pages is similar but faces an uphill climb as far as visual evaluations are concerned because he’s on the Alejandro Kirk spectrum. Godoy might get some big league time in 2019. He’s a contact-oriented lefty stick with well-rounded defensive ability.
Young Arm Strength Fliers
Luis Ortiz, RHP
Logan Gragg, RHP
Yordy Richard, RHP
Alvaro Seijas, RHP
Luis Tena, RHP
Jeffry Abreu, RHP
Nathanael Heredia, LHP
Leonardo Taveras, RHP
Tyler Statler, RHP
Seijas and Taveras are the oldest names in this group (they’re 21). Seijas gets up to 97 and has a good changeup, but we also spoke with someone who saw him sit 90-92. He has relief projection if the velo can settle into the 94-plus area. Taveras has a live arm (up to 98), and he’s somewhat projectable at 6-foot-5. His mechanical inconsistency impacts his control and breaking ball quality. He also has relief ceiling. Ortiz, 19, is the most projectable of the group at 6-foot-3 and 170 pounds. He’s up to 94 with lots of spin and some curveball feel. Gragg’s velo was up after he was the Card’s eighth rounder. He’s 92-94, touching 95, with a slider that could use some tweaking. Yordy Richard is only 17 and up to 94 with an advanced changeup. His frame is a little more stout. Tena’s is, too. He’s 20 and has been up to 96, though the secondaries are fringy. Abreu was acquired from the Dodgers for Jedd Gyorko. He has a low-90s fastball but the best curveball of this group. Heredia is 19, projectable, and up to 95; the delivery is a little less good than others here. Statler is purely a physical projection lottery ticket. He’s a very wiry 6-foot-6, up to 93 with a sinker.
Various Kinds of UTM (Up The Middle) Bats
Chandler Redmond, 2B
Franklin Soto, SS
Albert Inoa, 2B
Nick Dunn, 2B
Joerlin De Los Santos, CF
Ramon Mendoza, 2B
Redmond is a huge guy with huge power who is a Muncy/Shaw non-traditional second base fit. Soto, 20, has plus bat speed and a good build, but his in-the-box footwork is rough right now. Inoa, 18, is a contact-oriented second baseman with a medium build and some speed. Dunn also has contact skills, but he’s a 40 athlete who needs to perform, and he didn’t last year. Mendoza is similar but a few levels behind Dunn. De Los Santos lacks physical projection but is twitchy and athletic.
Conversion Arms and Older Dudes
Walker Robbins, LHP
Ben Baird, RHP
Edgar Escobar, RHP
Evan Kruczynski, LHP
Angel Rondon, RHP
Mitchell Osnowitz, RHP
Escobar is 23, and has a swing-and-miss heater up to 96 and an average slider. Kruczynski’s velo and command backed up last year but we liked him as a four-pitch fifth starter before that happened. Rondon is also an arm strength-only relief type. Osnowitz is 28 but might pitch in the big leagues. He’s up to 98 with other bat-missing fastball traits (backspin, mostly). Robbins and Baird were both 2015 Perfect Game All-Americans as position players who are moving to the mound. Robbins is up to 92 with some feel for spinning a curveball. Baird has more arm strength but his conversion is so new that all we know is he’s been into the mid-90s.
System Overview
This system is fine. There are a couple of potential impact talents up top, several young, high-variance players who could join them if things click (most of the 40+ tier), and pitching depth and depth up the middle, though you have to venture into the Others of Note to find the latter.
There seems to be an org-wide taste for righty corner power bats, as all three departments have acquired at least one in the last few years. The pro department has had an impact even though the Cardinals perennially compete because the club has traded for younger prospects with the glut of upper-level outfielders they signed and developed well. The same stable vibe the big league team gives off is present in St. Louis’ talent acquisition track record.
Rest In Peace Oscar Taveras.
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Yeah because its his fault his car ran off the road… I’m sure he wanted to kill himself and his girlfriend in a car crash..
Driving drunk was 100% his fault.
Fair
Alcoholism, if Tavares suffered from it, is a medical condition, so it’s debatable whether drinking to excess was his “fault.” But let’s not go down that rabbit hole and concede that you’re correct, that driving drunk was 100% his fault. There are hundreds of thousands of people who drive drunk every year, but not nearly that number of drunk-driving fatalities. IOW, even though drunk driving may have been the initial and primary cause of his death, he was still an incredibly unlucky man and it would not be wrong, in my opinion, to mourn him as such. (His deceased girlfriend, of course, was even more unlucky and even worthier of our compassion.)
Alcoholism is a disease (and a huge stretch in this situation), but driving is still a choice, and any sympathy I have goes out the window if someone gets behind the wheel in that condition.
But it’s cool you want to be a drunk driving apologist, I suppose. Not every instance results in vehicular homicide either, so it’s just bad luck when that happens and no one’s really at fault.
I’m… not apologizing for that? I’m simply saying it was untimely?
Fair enough getting me to curb my Dylan Carlson enthusiasm. I do think he’s a better prospect than Gorman, though maybe that’s just wariness of the latter’s bust potential.
Sano is an interesting comp for Gorman, I guess I had always thought “best case scenario” as a Jim Thome type.
Thanks for the excellent, thorough writeup.
I’m in the same boat on Carlson being a better prospect that Gorman, but that’s partly because Gorman scares me. Guys without good defense and who strike out this much have a bunch of ways they can struggle and only a couple of ways to reach their ceiling. Guys like Carlson, who have advanced hit tools, really benefit in the current live-ball era. Gorman has a ton of time to figure it out and I certainly wouldn’t put him below FV50 but he’s got huge risk.
When is Dylan Carlson supposed to turn into a 40 runner? I imagine Rickey Henderson must be a 40 or worse runner by now. I don’t see anything looking at the video that tells me Dylan Carlson can’t play CF for the Cardinals.
If Tonya Harding’s boyfriend wacks Carlson in the kneecap with a pipe that might make him a 40 runner who has to play LF or 1B, but otherwise he’ll be fine there.
Methinks he will indeed play LF, but that’s because Harrison Bader exists.
Carlson/Bader/O’Neill left-to-right is what I hope to see by mid-season.
That’d be a fun outfield to watch, but it would mean STL didn’t acquire an OF before the season started, which means the offense would probably remain mediocre. And I don’t think O’Neill will ever make enough contact to start in the majors. Of players with 150 at-bats or more, he had the 5th-worst SwStr% and Z-Contact% in baseball last year. He’d need to improve dramatically to start.
Ok. And of the four who were worse by z contact%, their wRC+s were 38, 104, 144, and 86. It’s almost like you can’t just take a single attribute and extrapolate it out to a guy’s entire offensive production…
Fine, O’Neills entire offensive production is mediocre. While lack of contact on its own may not necessarily be a problem, in O’Neill’s case it’s caused him to post OBPs simply unacceptable for a starter on a contending team. He’s basically the second coming of Randal Grichuk.
You’re talking about 290 sporadic plate appearances over two years in the majors. Even so he’s managed to post an OBP over .300 (still not great but understandable) and play at a 3 WAR/600 pace. I think he’ll be fine.
No, that’s not an understandable OBP for a starter on a contending team, especially with his 88 OPS+ last year. He needs to bump that up to at least .320. As it stands, he’s fourth on the outfield depth chart behind Fowler, Bader, and Edman. If Edman is needed more at 3B, then O’Neill may have a decent shot, but of course Carlson will be probably be called up eventually, as well.
Well, O’Neill could also get a shot if Bader flops again with the bat, Edman has a significant sophomore slump, or someone gets injured, but he’s not a favorite right now. (On the other hand, O’Neill could also find himself even further down the depth chart if he’s outplayed by someone like Lane Thomas.)
Unless serving as a necessary injury replacement, contending teams require position players to prove they can perform in limited duty before they’ll be considered for full-time play. Edman deserves such an opportunity, but O’Neill doesn’t. Yes, there are times that players get better with regular playing time, but contending teams can’t usually afford to take that kind of risk.
Bader still needs to prove he can hit well enough to hold on to the starting job, and the Cardinals are still likely to pick up Ozuna or someone else to start in LF, anyway.
Also, in what world is O’Neill a better player than Fowler in 2020?! Maybe by 2022, but not now!
Umm…In 290 PAs the last two years O’Neill has been more valuable than Fowler has in over 900 PAs.
All Bader has to do with the bat is be average or slightly under and he’s a 3 win player thanks to the elite defense. If he hits like he did in 2018 rather than 2019 he’s a 4.5 – 5 win player and possible All Star.
It’s unfair to use Fowler’s terrible 2018 in that comparison. 2019 Fowler was MUCH better than O’Neill has ever been and is much more likely to be what 2020 Fowler will look like.
Meanwhile, it remains to be seen if Bader will be even slightly below average with the bat. 2018 Bader was a quality starter, but 2019 Bader was a bench player with his terrible bat despite his elite defense. Which one is the real Bader going forward?
I was wrong about further outside help, though. So it will be an open competition for both LF and CF in Spring Training with Bader being the CF favorite but by no means assured of the job. A starting outfield of Edman, Bader (or whoever wins those two jobs), and Fowler might be decent enough (at least until Carlson arrives), but there’s also a significant possibility that such a starting outfield really sucks. If only Ozuna had just taken the darn qualifying offer instead of holding out for months just to get $200K more to play for what he considers a less preferred team…
I doubt Rickey is a 40 runner.
“Rickey isn’t a 40 runner” – Rickey
I’ve been pretty skeptical about Knizner for a while. Being a bad defender at the position which catches the ball over and over again makes him pretty hard to be a regular, even if he hit well, which he doesn’t. On the other hand, I’m weirdly optimistic about Justin Williams as a platoon piece, and given the lack of lefty hitters in the Cards’ lineup I bet he gets some opportunities. My head says he’s a quad-A guy, but even without a swing change I do see a path to being an interesting bench piece.
The depth here has really taken a hit, but the top-end looks really nice. I’m a little skeptical on Gorman due to the defense and strikeouts but the upside is huge, Carlson looks great, Herrera and Liberatore have all-star upside.
Bad receiver, good defender.
Knizner has gunned an exceptional 45% of basestealers for his pro career (60 of 134), his error totals are quite modest, and the 2019 passed ball rate was his lowest since being drafted in 2016 — just 3 PB’s in 74 starts. But the framing is indeed apparently pretty damn bad.
So the question becomes, how much can he improve upon that? If he can advance from awful (minus 20 runs let’s say) to merely below average at framing (minus 8-10), then his total defensive profile is adequate for a 2-2.5 WAR starter, provided he’s a 100 wRC+ batter.
But I don’t know enough about framing to say how much improvement is a viable possibility. And I kind of doubt that St. Louis is an organization that would accept the bad framing tradeoff. They’ve been snobby about backstop glovework ever since the trading of Ted Simmons.
And I forgot to add, Mr. Trombone, that I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding Ivan Herrera. Not sure why his writeup at this site was so dismissive of his Arizona Fall League performance, but the coverage at MLB.com was effusive. Quoting:
“I had three different looks at Herrera this fall, and in each one the 19-year-old impressed me in a different way. In my first look, back during Week 2, Herrera, who’s the second-youngest player in this year’s league, was a blocking machine, smothering and then pouncing upon everything starter Jordan Johnson threw in the dirt in what was ultimately a suspended game (rain).
“In the next, the right-handed-hitting teenager showed veteran plate discipline with a tight approach, working walks in three straight trips to plate before finally torching a 107-mph double down the left field line in the ninth.
“His batting practice before the Fall Stars Game, meanwhile, was among my favorites. He showed plus pull-side raw power, parking balls well over the fence with ease, and hitting them farther than most other hitters on the field that day.
“He over-strides with his front side at times, which causes his hips to leak and his barrel to drag, but there’s a lot to like in Herrera’s innate ability to drive through the baseball. It’s a trait that points to a future uptick in game power for a player who already understands the zone and shows feel to hit.”
What wasn’t mentioned above was that Herrera hit well consistently in his limited game action — and best of all was the only hitter in the entire Fall League this year to fan less than 10% of the time. He may or may not be a backstop. But he surely looks like a hitter, and I expect him to spend his age 19/20 season in Double-A from the start.
Enjoyed the assessment. The club seems to produce solid MLB players regardless of rankings, which is a compliment to them and not an indictment of rankings. The club famously loves to minimize risk or raise the floor, and they seem to have found a way to do that with their young players (though, technically, good luck could possibly be the way).
No love for Angel Rondon? I don’t think he’s a future ace but just had a very solid year finishing at Double A as a 22 SP, so I am surprised he didn’t crack the list. Any big red flags I am missing?
Thanks for all the great work!
There are no Rondon red flags. Everything that follows is excerpted from a post of early August, at another website.
Here are the slashlines permitted this year (in AA only) by some of the very elite pitching prospects in baseball. Beside each pitcher is his age and his current Fangraphs ranking among all pitching prospects.
Dustin May (21 years old, #3 overall pitching prospect) .237/.297/.330
Casey Mize (22, #4 pitcher) .226/.274/.322
Sixto Sanchez (21, #8) .231/.273/.353
Matt Manning (21, #11) .198/.264/.296
Ian Anderson (21, #13) .202/.285/.296
Angel Rondon (21, not top 600 pitcher) .228/.309/.320
His velocity is already fine, with perhaps room for extra. (MLB pipeline’s recent update remarked that “he generates easy velocity, sitting 92-94 mph and bumping 95 in most outings, and is a candidate to add a few more ticks based on his remaining physical projection.”)
He has zero serious injuries much less arm surgeries in his past.
He’s succeeded at every single level and never been old for his league.
He isn’t a little guy. He’s listed at 6′ 2″ and 185, same as Jordan Hicks.
He has no conditioning or other work ethic/personality questions.
And finally, he gets out lefties as well as righties.
Righty Rondon has faced 269 lefty batters in 2019 and allowed them to slug .237.
That’s not a typo, and that’s not a batting average line. Seriously, that’s slugging. That’s LEFTY slugging, permitted by a righty starting pitcher. Rondon across two levels has allowed lefties to hit .190/.291/.237. In Double-A they’ve slugged .286.
But maybe my favorite thing is:
Over the past two years, with the bases empty he’s got a merely so-so K/BB ratio of 127-to-58. But with men on base, it’s nearly 5-1 at 112-to-23. That’s a kid who can pitch in a pinch.
You’re missing so hard on Angel Rondon that you’ll be writing articles in several months justifying how you overlooked a top of the rotation starter in this system (yet somehow did a write-up on Connor Jones?).
Trejyn Fletcher gets the national level media hype for his endless tools but Patrick Romeri is raved about more from internal collaboration.
Similar to everyone missing on Tommy Edman last year (ranked 20 at the time yet still put up 3.2 fWAR in 349 PA) many are missing on Justin Williams this year — his re-tooled swing will surprise many.
Thank you for finally removing Alex Reyes from the number one ranking in this system (five years later). Dreaming is fun but reality reminds fans to stay grounded when it comes to elite pitching (TINSTAAPP).
Alex Reyes was removed because he pitched just enough last year to no longer qualify as a rookie (50 IP). What the future holds for him, nobody knows, but I bet the authors were glad not to have to project it.
You’re bang-on with your Rondon, Fletcher and Williams evals.
To me, St. Louis and its catcher development is fascinating. Carson Kelly took awhile to bloom (who could blame him with his paltry at-bats behind Molina) but looks to be an average or better backstop. Knizner is in the same situation behind Molina but should find meaningful time in the majors, whether that’s with STL or elsewhere. In A-ball, Ivan Herrera hit BETTER than Nolan Gorman while playing a much harder position, and both were just 19 years old. I didn’t know if he could field his position or not, but since you guys have a future 55 on him, there’s a lot to like. If Molina decides to play through 2022 and doesn’t completely fall off a cliff (2019 was a big red flag), Herrera probably becomes the catcher of the future. I’m looking forward to seeing if newcomer Edgardo Rodriguez can be the next catcher prospect of note.
I personally like lefty Godoy, who has hit all throughout the minors. If he can field his position like you say, I bet he’ll see time in STL with Knizner starting daily in Memphis (STL prefers defensive prowess behind Molina).
Side note: what in the world happened to Delvin Perez? STL has gotten value from their late teens-early 20’s first round picks throughout the past years, but Perez busted hard. Anyway, thanks for all of your hard work, guys!
I disagree to the side note: look no further than Nick Plummer when the Cardinals drafted him over Walker Buehler.
That was always a stupid pick
No Ryan Helsley? Is he no longer eligible? It looks like he only has 36 innings pitched at the major league level.
I’m also curious about Helsley. He throws hard, has good stuff, but he needs better control. Seems to have a starters kit if he could harness his stuff, but he may fit better in the bullpen. He’s not that young, so he’d probably be a bit below Junior Fernandez, unless the authors think he could start.
He probably spent too many non-September days on the Major League roster.
correct
I’m a little surprised that Fernando Brazoban hasn’t appeared on a Cardinals list yet. Any news about him? Thanks.
Woodford looks a lot like Dakota Hudson, no?
Not sure why he’s so low here, either. The Cardinals have always been aggressive with him, and he’s always responded. As a result, he has over 200 AAA innings and he’s a fresh 23. Definitely looks like a back-end starter to me, and I don’t buy that he’ll need a piggyback partner.
Yeah, I’ve followed him as a 5th starter type innings eater, but maybe the Dakota-like bouts of wildness will make him that piggyback type.
If Liberatore and Gorman were in most teams top five to seven spots on their pre-draft boards, why did they go 16th and 19th respectively?
There could be lots of reasons.
Once the draft starts, certain players start falling to your team. The front office might say, “Man, Gorman might be the best young hitter in the draft, but I never expected Generico Exampler to fall to us. Gotta scoop him up!” Or, “We like Gorman a bit more than Samplerino Individualjols, but Gorman is a teenager, and we prefer college-aged players at this time.” Or, “Gorman is probably the best available at this stage of the draft, but we think we can save money by drafting El Point de Comparison and going over-slot later in the draft and get multiple upside picks.”
A big part of the draft is managing your bonus pool, so if you think you have no shot at a guy you might not do enough work figuring out what his bonus demands were, or how it will affect all the other deals you’ve made.
In this case, I think a lot of teams probably missed the boat, because it wasn’t that far-fetched to think someone would have fallen. Even in Kiley and Eric’s mock draft they had Gorman and Liberatore going at #8 and #10 and Carter Stewart sliding all the way down to #15, so Stewart going at #8 and Kyler Murray suddenly going at #9 was enough to scramble the entire board and send two (instead of one) guy free-falling.
No mention of Jack Ralston? He’s a year older than Pallante but also out-FIP’d him in Low A last year.
Angel Rondon doesn’t crack the top 34 and is relegated to a “conversion arm” (because he’s surely not an “older dude”?)? The guy just turned 22, spent the year mostly at AA, pitching 115 IP, 8.8 K/9, 3.3 BB/9, 7.7 H/9, 0.9 HR/9; 1.226 WHIP, nearly three years younger than league average. To me, he’s absolutely at least at Oviedo’s level. I also don’t quite understand Locey above Woodford.
That’s odd how you rank the prospects solely by expected future value with no consideration for how close they are to the Majors (which explains the big differences between your list and MLB’s). Surely, for example, a 40 FV prospect in AAA is more valuable than a 45 FV prospect in low-A ball due to the much smaller chance that the former becomes a bust before contributing to the MLB team.
I’m fairly sure that when K & E calculate their FVs, proximity to the majors (or lack thereof) is folded in as a risk factor for each prospect. Just like plate discipline, injury history, work ethic, etc..
The hypothetical 45 FV in Low-A very likely has a much higher *upside* than the theoretical 40 FV in Triple-A, to borrow your example.
That’s fine if it’s true, but it makes the name of “future value” an awkward misnomer. It makes it sounds like merely a median projection without accounting for range.
You do know that blocking balls and throwing are still very important parts of a catcher’s defense and would remain so even with robot umps, right?