Top 34 Prospects: St. Louis Cardinals

Below is an analysis of the prospects in the farm system of the St. Louis Cardinals. Scouting reports are compiled with information provided by industry sources as well as from our own (both Eric Longenhagen’s and Kiley McDaniel’s) observations. For more information on the 20-80 scouting scale by which all of our prospect content is governed you can click here. For further explanation of the merits and drawbacks of Future Value, read this.

All of the numbered prospects here also appear on The Board, a new feature at the site that offers sortable scouting information for every organization. That can be found here.

Cardinals Top Prospects
Rk Name Age Highest Level Position ETA FV
1 Nolan Gorman 19.7 A+ 3B 2021 55
2 Dylan Carlson 21.2 AAA LF 2020 55
3 Matthew Liberatore 20.2 A LHP 2022 50
4 Ivan Herrera 19.6 AA C 2023 50
5 Zack Thompson 22.2 A+ LHP 2022 45+
6 Andrew Knizner 24.9 MLB C 2020 45
7 Genesis Cabrera 23.3 MLB LHP 2020 45
8 Lane Thomas 24.4 MLB CF 2020 40+
9 Jhon Torres 19.8 A RF 2023 40+
10 Trejyn Fletcher 18.7 R CF 2024 40+
11 Junior Fernandez 22.9 MLB RHP 2020 40+
12 Johan Oviedo 21.9 AA RHP 2022 40+
13 Edmundo Sosa 23.9 MLB SS 2020 40
14 Elehuris Montero 21.4 AA 3B 2021 40
15 Kodi Whitley 24.9 AAA RHP 2020 40
16 Tony Locey 21.5 A RHP 2023 40
17 Luken Baker 22.8 A+ 1B 2021 40
18 Jake Woodford 23.2 AAA RHP 2020 40
19 Juan Yepez 21.9 AA 1B 2021 40
20 Ramon Urias 25.6 AAA 2B 2019 40
21 Mateo Gil 19.5 A+ SS 2023 40
22 Roel Ramirez 24.6 AAA RHP 2020 40
23 Malcom Nunez 18.8 A 1B 2024 40
24 Seth Elledge 23.6 AAA RHP 2019 40
25 Patrick Romeri 18.5 R RF 2023 35+
26 Andre Pallante 21.3 A- RHP 2023 35+
27 Adanson Cruz 19.3 R RF 2023 35+
28 Steven Gingery 22.3 R LHP 2020 35+
29 Jesus Cruz 24.7 AAA RHP 2020 35+
30 Justin Williams 24.4 MLB LF 2019 35+
31 Griffin Roberts 23.6 A+ RHP 2019 35+
32 Connor Jones 25.3 AAA RHP 2019 35+
33 Edgardo Rodriguez 19.1 R C 2023 35+
34 Rodard Avelino 20.6 A RHP 2024 35+
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55 FV Prospects

Drafted: 1st Round, 2018 from O’Connor HS (AZ) (STL)
Age 19.7 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr L / R FV 55
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
20/50 65/70 25/60 40/40 40/45 50/50

By torching the Appy League during his first pro summer, Gorman laid to rest any concerns that his whiff-prone pre-draft spring was anything more than a hiccup caused by the whiplash of going from facing elite, showcase high schoolers (who he crushed) to soft-tossing, Arizona varsity pitchers. He struck out a lot (again) during the 2018 stretch run, when St. Louis pushed him to Low-A Peoria because he wasn’t being challenged in Johnson City. Sent back to Peoria for the first half of 2019, Gorman adjusted to full-season pitching and roasted the Midwest League to the tune of a .241/.344/.448 line, cutting his strikeout rate by eight percentage points. He was promoted to the Florida State League for the second half, and while his walk rate halved and his strikeout rate crept above 30% again, Gorman still managed to post an above-average line for that league as a 19-year-old. The strikeout issues will only become a real concern once Gorman stops showing an ability to adjust over a long period of time.

His huge power, derived from his imposing physicality and explosive hand speed, is likely to play in games because of the lift in Gorman’s swing and his feel for impacting the ball in the air. Because we’re talking about a teenager of considerable size, there’s a chance Gorman has to move off of third base at some point, but for now we’re cautiously optimistic about him staying there for the early part of his big league tenure. There are apt body comps to be made to either of the Seager brothers, while the offensive profile looks more like Miguel Sanó‘s.

Drafted: 1st Round, 2016 from Elk Grove HS (CA) (STL)
Age 21.2 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 210 Bat / Thr S / L FV 55
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
40/55 50/55 40/55 50/40 50/55 40/40

A year ago, on the Cardinals list and in our Picks to Click article, we tabbed Carlson as one of the prospects in this org likely to break out. But even we didn’t expect he’d nearly go 20/20 and slug .518 at Double-A Springfield. Judging by the fervor this performance created among our more fantasy-focused readers, they may be wondering why we were ahead of the curve a year ago, but aren’t hitting the gas on Carlson’s evaluation now after the year he had. We certainly like him — Carlson is balanced and coordinated while hitting from both sides of the plate, his left-handed swing has gorgeous lift and finish, he has advanced bat control for a switch-hitter this age, he’s athletic and moves well for his size, and he has high-end makeup. But we have some questions about the ultimate ceiling.

Carlson is an average runner and a large dude for a 20-year-old. His instincts in center field are okay, but not good enough to overcome long speed that typically falls short at the position. Because of where we have his arm strength graded, we think he fits in left field or at first base. The TrackMan data we sourced also indicates that his 2019 line is a bit of a caricature. His average exit velo (about 88 mph) and rate of balls in play at 95 mph or higher (about 34%) are both right around the big league average, rather than exceptional. The in-office types we talk to about this kind of thing are in love with Carlson because he’s only 20, and they anticipate these things will improve, but visual evaluation of his build don’t suggest as much physical projection as is typical of someone this young, because he’s already a big guy. As a result, he was on the 50/55 FV line for us during the process of compiling this list. The league-average offensive production in left field has been lower than you might expect (it’s 100 wRC+ over the last five years) and Carlson might also be able to play a situational center field when the Cards are behind and need offense, as well as some first base. That versatility is valuable, so he tipped into the 55 FV range. But we think he’s closer to the line than one might conclude if they were just looking at his surface stats.

50 FV Prospects

Drafted: 1st Round, 2018 from Mountain Ridge HS (AZ) (TBR)
Age 20.2 Height 6′ 5″ Weight 200 Bat / Thr L / L FV 50
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
50/55 45/55 60/65 50/55 40/55 92-95 / 97

With January’s trade with Tampa Bay, the Cardinals rolled some of their seemingly unending, upper-level outfield depth into Libby, That means that between him and childhood friend Nolan Gorman, the Cardinals, who picked 19th in the 2018 draft, now have two of the players most teams had in the top five to seven spots on their pre-draft boards in the system.

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Because Liberatore’s fastball has sinker movement, the growth of his changeup is going to be the most important aspect of his development, since those two pitches have similar movement, and will theoretically tunnel better. The results produced by his knockout curveball, which has all-world depth, may suffer because he doesn’t have an up-in-the-zone four-seamer to pair with it, but should Liberatore decide to get ahead of hitters by dumping that curveball into the zone, good luck to them. It’s the type of pitch that’s hard to hit even if you know it’s coming, but might be easy to lay off of, in the dirt, because its Loch Ness Monster hump is easy to identify out of the hand. All of the advanced pitchability stuff — Libby started learning a slider during his senior year of high school, he varies his timing home, and he’s likely to pitch backwards with the breaking balls — is here, too, and that’ll be important given the lack of a bat-missing fastball. The total package should result in an above-average big league starter.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2016 from Panama (STL)
Age 19.6 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 190 Bat / Thr R / R FV 50
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
25/50 50/55 25/40 30/30 45/55 50/50

When we began sourcing data on the Cardinals system, we weren’t aware of a max exit velocity for a teenager in excess of 109 mph (Kristian Robinson, Marco Luciano, Luis Toribio) — until we learned of Herrera’s. It was surprising considering Herrera is physically quite modest, and looked sluggish at times during the Fall league, but by that point he had played in three times as many games as he had the year before, and was likely exhausted. Regular season Herrera was a little leaner, twitchy, and athletic, and was an advanced defender with a mature approach at the plate. He also hit .286/.381/.423 as a 19-year-old catcher in the Midwest League. This guy checks all the proverbial boxes and looks like a well-rounded everyday catching prospect.

45+ FV Prospects

5. Zack Thompson, LHP
Drafted: 1st Round, 2019 from Kentucky (STL)
Age 22.2 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 225 Bat / Thr S / L FV 45+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
50/50 45/50 60/65 45/55 45/50 91-94 / 97

Arguably the most talented college arm in the 2019 draft, Thompson fell, at least in part, because of injury issues speckled throughout his amateur career. He was used pretty conservatively in a bullpen role after he signed for workload/health reasons, but expect the Cardinals to push him to the upper levels next year, as they often do with recently-drafted college arms.

The headline pitch here is the curveball, a deadly, mid-70s parabola much like Liberatore’s. Like Libby, Thompson’s fastball traits don’t fit perfectly with it and it probably won’t matter very much. The changeup is already quite good, a likely second out-pitch. Thompson gets down the mound well, his arm action is loose (though it comes through a little late), and he has east/west command of all his stuff. He’s a concerning injury risk, but has top 100 stuff.

45 FV Prospects

Drafted: 7th Round, 2016 from North Carolina State (STL)
Age 24.9 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 200 Bat / Thr R / R FV 45
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
50/55 50/50 35/40 30/30 35/40 45/45

Knizner’s 2019 was a great example of how the convergence of the PCL’s hitting environment and lively big league baseball affected statistics at that level. His .276/.357/.463 line was only good enough for a 99 wRC+, the lowest of his career. Long a contact-oriented doubles hitter with a very compact stroke, Knizner is perhaps not the sort of hitter who would have greatly benefitted from a bouncier ball. He’s still a much better hitter than most big league catchers, but he’s a bad receiver. For the last two years, we were hopeful Knizner would become a passable defender, if later than most, because he only started catching in his early 20s, but it still hasn’t happened. He and Yadier Molina are the only two catchers currently on the Cardinals’ 40-man, so it looks like he’s slated for some kind of timeshare, at least for his rookie season, the last of Yadi’s contract.

His value may be impacted by the implementation of robot umps, which would make Knizner poor receiving moot, but would also put more pressure on him to hit for some power since suddenly every gloveless backstop who can hit will suddenly be viable back there. Knizner’s bat-to-ball skills should make him a second-division regular in that scenario.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2013 from Dominican Republic (TBR)
Age 23.3 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 190 Bat / Thr L / L FV 45
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
60/60 50/50 50/55 45/45 93-97 / 99

We’ve gone from thinking Cabrera was a high-probability middle relief piece with a shot at pitching high-leverage or multiple innings, to thinking either of those outcomes is likely, and that he has a shot at pitching in St. Louis’ rotation. He has premium lefty velocity, and two usable secondaries. In a vacuum, we prefer Cabrera’s changeup to his breaking ball, but his delivery is violent and deceptive, featuring a huge hook in the back (the flexibility in Cabrera’s upper back is incredible) and a huge stride home before the ball suddenly appears from a high three-quarters slot.

40+ FV Prospects

Drafted: 5th Round, 2014 from Bearden HS (TN) (TOR)
Age 24.4 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 210 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
45/50 50/50 40/45 55/55 60/60 55/55

In 2017, the Cardinals traded away some of their international pool space for minor leaguers, including Thomas, who had a breakout 2018 at the plate. A high school shortstop, Thomas got a $750,000 bonus to sign with Toronto as a fifth rounder in 2014. He played some second and third base and outfield for the Jays before moving off the dirt entirely in 2017, and he’s quickly become a very good center field defender. He couldn’t quite repeat that 2018 burst — a .264/.333/.489 line between Double and Triple-A, including more home runs (27) than in his previous four seasons combined — in a 2019 shortened by a fractured wrist, but Thomas has good plate coverage that enables a pull-heavy approach, has mostly doubles power, and is fairly selective, and because he’s such a good center field defender, we think he’s a second-division regular there.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2016 from Colombia (CLE)
Age 19.8 Height 6′ 4″ Weight 200 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
25/50 55/65 30/60 50/40 40/50 60/60

After Torres, who was acquired from Cleveland for Oscar Mercado during the summer of 2018, paved over rookie ball, the Cardinals skipped him over two levels, sending him right from the complex to Low-A in early-May. He struggled, striking out nearly 40% of the time, and after a couple of weeks the Cards hit the breaks and sent him down to Johnson City for the remainder of the summer. Torres bounced back in a huge way, and hit .286/.391/.527 in the Tennessee humidity.

This is a traditional, corner outfield projection prospect. Torres is an immense teenager built much like Franmil Reyes was at the same age. Torres has a chance to grow into similar power as he fills out, though hopefully he stays a little more agile than Reyes and is able to play better outfield defense. Some of the swing elements (how long the barrel is in the zone, the stride length) may need to change to max out the game power, but there’s middle-of-the-order thump here.

Drafted: 2nd Round, 2019 from Deering HS (ME) (STL)
Age 18.7 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 200 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
20/40 50/55 25/50 60/55 40/50 55/55

Fletcher emerged very early in the recruiting/scouting process as an elite prospect due to a power/speed combination that is rare, especially coming from Maine. He played at East Coast Pro, a major summer showcase, as an older-for-the-class member of the 2020 class, playing against 2019 prospects. He played well and reclassified to the 2019 class in March of that year after switching high schools. Clubs weren’t prepared and hadn’t scouted Fletcher intensely, with only a few months of rain-filled Maine high school games versus weak competition to make what was potentially a seven figure decision. Between having Scott Boras as his agent, a strong commitment to Vanderbilt, and the off-field drama surrounding his eligibility, some teams punted on Fletcher because they couldn’t get enough info to be comfortable by draft day.

The Cardinals were not one of those teams, but both they and more casually-engaged clubs saw flashes of plus raw power, speed, and arm strength. St. Louis popped him in the second round for an overslot $1.5 million deal and pushed him to the Appy League after nine good GCL games to get him under the lights and in a more professional game atmosphere, where Fletcher struggled a bit. The ceiling is sky high but we don’t have much reliable data, so the variance is very high at this point, too.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2014 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 22.9 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 180 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Changeup Command Sits/Tops
60/60 40/45 55/60 40/45 95-97 / 99

Finally, a healthy season for Fernandez, who pitched across four levels, including the big leagues, in 2019. He has two big league bat-missers in his upper-90s fastball and upper-80s changeup. The changeup doesn’t even need to be located toward the bottom of the zone to be effective since hitters, who are geared up for the heater, are so flummoxed by its speed and movement. You’ll see him freeze hitters with cambios near the top of the zone, and the pitch might be so dominant that Fernandez will be able to pitch high-leverage innings.

12. Johan Oviedo, RHP
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2016 from Cuba (STL)
Age 21.9 Height 6′ 6″ Weight 220 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
50/55 45/50 50/55 45/55 30/40 91-95 / 97

Oviedo looks the part of a mid-rotation starter. He’s a hulking 6-foot-6, body comps to a young Josh Beckett, throws hard, and flashes an above-average curveball and changeup. All of these components are present intermittently, but Oviedo just hasn’t leveled up as a strike-thrower yet. Unless his walk rates come down a little bit, he won’t be able to start. If he can’t, we’re hoping his fastball velo ticks up out of the bullpen so he has greater margin for error in the zone. We have him valued around where we had Alec Hansen valued coming out of college.

40 FV Prospects

13. Edmundo Sosa, SS
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2012 from Panama (STL)
Age 23.9 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 198 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
45/50 45/45 30/35 50/50 55/55 50/50

He doesn’t have Kolten Wong’s range, but in all other aspects of infield defense — hands, actions, arm utility — Sosa is the best defender on St. Louis’ 40-man. He projects as a versatile infield utility man.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2015 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 21.4 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
35/50 55/60 35/50 40/40 40/45 55/55

Multiple wrist injuries made it impossible for Montero’s 2019 to get off the ground, so toss out his lousy 60-game Double-A statline. His body looked great in the Fall League, and he still has a shot to stay at third base long-term because he’s kept what used to be a big, softer body in check.

His approach, however, is a problem. During some of his Fall League starts, Montero saw five pitches over the course of an entire game. During the regular season, he averaged just shy of 2.5 pitches per plate appearance. For comparison’s sake, among big league hitters with at least 200 PAs in 2019, Willians Astudillo ranked last in pitchers per PA with 2.9; no other big leaguer was under three. From a hitting talent perspective — the bat speed, primarily — Montero has everyday upside, so he belongs ranked ahead of prospects who project to be lesser role players at best. But we’re weary of how swing-happy he is and think, at the very least, there will be growing pains as he climbs the minors and is forced to adjust to big league pitching.

15. Kodi Whitley, RHP
Drafted: 27th Round, 2017 from Mount Olive (STL)
Age 24.9 Height 6′ 4″ Weight 220 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Changeup Command Sits/Tops
60/60 50/55 45/50 45/50 93-96 / 98

Whitley and his Josh Collmenter-style delivery carved the upper levels in 2019, posting a 1.60 ERA mostly at Double- and Triple-A. He had a velocity uptick during the summer (93-96, touch 98) but it was down a bit during Whitley’s Fall League stint (more 92-93, touch 94 or 95). He lives at the top of the strike zone and gets his swings and misses there, while his secondary stuff gets help from his delivery, which puzzles opposing hitters. He has worked multiple innings, working against seven hitters over two frames when things go smoothly for him, but for now, we have him projected as being a good middle relief piece very soon, and maybe more if that peak velo comes back and sticks.

16. Tony Locey, RHP
Drafted: 3rd Round, 2019 from Georgia (STL)
Age 21.5 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 240 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40

Locey had a rocky end of high school and beginning of college at Georgia, but emerged in a big way in 2019 as the most dependable starter for the Bulldogs down the stretch, ahead of banged-up possible 2020 first overall pick Emerson Hancock. Locey would hold mid-90s velo late into games, hitting 97 regularly and landing a solid average breaking ball that dev-minded folks in baseball think has more ceiling. His control is fine, but the command and changeup were both weaker points in a starting role, so relief is a natural fit without a change to that profile. His aggressive, bulldog approach is also conducive to shorter stints.

17. Luken Baker, 1B
Drafted: 2nd Round, 2018 from TCU (STL)
Age 22.8 Height 6′ 4″ Weight 265 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
30/45 70/70 35/60 30/20 40/45 60/60

Baker’s amateur career was bedeviled by freak injuries — a left arm fracture and ligament and muscle tear, a few missed games after taking a bad hop to the face, a fractured fibula and torn ankle ligament while sliding into second base — which likely snuffed out our chances of watching him play two ways at TCU. Because Baker is the size of one of the Easter Island Moai statues, there’s some Zion Williamson-ish fear about his athletic longevity. But he has monstrous raw power and has performed when healthy (we’re not sweating a .390 SLG in the Florida State League), so he has a fair chance to hit at least enough to be a CJ Cron, Jesús Aguilar sort of performer.

18. Jake Woodford, RHP
Drafted: 1st Round, 2015 from Plant HS (FL) (STL)
Age 23.2 Height 6′ 4″ Weight 220 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Cutter Command Sits/Tops
50/50 50/50 45/45 50/50 45/50 40/45 90-94 / 96

Woodford was a widely-known prep prospect because he was teammates with Kyle Tucker at Plant. He was a sandwich rounder who fell off our lists as his fastball velocity ticked down (91-93, touch 95 around draft time, then 88-92 in the following few years) but has returned here (and to the 40-man) now that the velo’s not only back, but at times harder than its ever been. He’s a kitchen sink righty with below average control, a backend starter who needs a long relief partner.

19. Juan Yepez, 1B
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2014 from Venezuela (ATL)
Age 21.9 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 200 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
40/45 60/60 40/50 40/40 45/50 55/55

Traded from Atlanta in exchange for Matt Adams, Yepez was a heavy-bodied, power-hitting prospect who’s passable at a few positions. His best fit is probably first base, but with a remade body, he also saw meaningful time at all four corners last year, which helps his likely big league profile of a lefty-mashing extra bat. Yepez’s calling card is his plus raw power, but he’s been dialing in his offensive approach to make more contact. He’s one of a number of corner-only righty power bats in the system with Baker, Montero, and Nunez.

20. Ramon Urias, 2B
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2010 from Mexico (TEX)
Age 25.6 Height 5′ 10″ Weight 165 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
55/55 45/45 35/35 40/40 45/45 40/40

This is the player in the system about whom the scouts and data most disagree. Scouts see an unathletic infielder, arguably positionless, without the power to make up for his defensive issues. But on paper, Urias has a .270/.360/.420 career line in the minors — after two DSL seasons with Texas, Urias’ rights were loaned and then sold outright to Diablos Rojos in Mexico City, where he hit .318/.402/.467 over five seasons before the Cardinals came calling in the spring of 2018 — and he’s hit well for two consecutive years at Double and Triple-A. His TrackMan data is strong (91 mph average exit velo, 47% of balls in play at 95 mph or more), and he plays an up-the-middle position. He’s an interesting sleeper, though we acknowledge there’s no margin for error here. Urias can only really play second base passably as he lacks the arm strength for the left side. He’ll either hit enough to be an everyday second baseman, or he won’t and will be very difficult to roster.

21. Mateo Gil, SS
Drafted: 3rd Round, 2018 from Timber Creek HS (TX) (STL)
Age 19.5 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 180 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40

Mateo is the son of former big league infielder Benji Gil and, despite not being on the showcase circuit much in high school, looks primed to carve out a big league career as well. He’s a shortstop for now, but could slide over to second or third depending on how his body develops. He closed 2019 strong and his exit velos were also above average for his age and level. There may not be a plus tool on the card, but Gil has low-end regular upside.

22. Roel Ramirez, RHP
Drafted: 8th Round, 2013 from United South HS (TX) (TBR)
Age 24.6 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 210 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Splitter Cutter Command Sits/Tops
55/55 50/50 55/55 50/55 40/40 92-96 / 97

Initially a bit of an afterthought (in our minds, anyway) in the Tommy Pham trade with Tampa Bay, Ramirez had a great 2019 as a multi-inning reliever at Double-A Springfield. He has the repertoire depth to pitch in that role in the big leagues, but his fastball has cut action rather than ride/carry, so it accidentally runs into barrels. That might be problematic, but on arm strength and the pitch mix, he’s pretty clearly a valuable long relief type.

23. Malcom Nunez, 1B
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2018 from Cuba (STL)
Age 18.8 Height 5′ 11″ Weight 205 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
25/50 55/60 20/55 30/20 30/45 55/55

Nunez became famous back in 2018 when he posted a god-like .415/.497/.774 line with 31 extra-base hits in 44 DSL games. He was bigger and stronger than most of the kids down there, so the industry was ultra-skeptical of that line. After a little time in Florida, two months after he turned 18, St. Louis sent him to Low-A to stress test the bat. Nunez flopped and was demoted to the Appy League later in the summer. He’s a big-bodied, projectionless, 1B/DH prospect who needs to mash all the way up the ladder.

24. Seth Elledge, RHP
Drafted: 4th Round, 2017 from Dallas Baptist (SEA)
Age 23.6 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 230 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Command Sits/Tops
55/55 50/55 40/45 91-94 / 96

A fourth round pick by Seattle in 2017, Elledge was traded to the Cardinals for Sam Tuivailala just over a year after he was drafted. He profiles as a two-pitch middle reliever.

35+ FV Prospects

Drafted: 12th Round, 2019 from IMG Academy HS (FL) (STL)
Age 18.5 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 195 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+

Romeri was a slightly-over-slot 12th round pick in 2019 from a loaded IMG Academy prep squad that included Brennan Malone (first round), and Rece Hinds and Kendall Williams (both second round). Romeri was so below the radar on that team that many scouts didn’t have him turned in despite watching him numerous times on what was likely the most-scouted high school team in the country. The seventh hole hitter on a high school team is not usually where you find a prospect; He wasn’t on our pre-draft rankings either. Romeri is a solid average runner and thrower who profiles in right field, and his exit velos and OPS both stood out in his pro debut in the GCL. There’s a faint chance for a low-end regular but he’ll more likely profile as a part-time player.

26. Andre Pallante, RHP
Drafted: 4th Round, 2019 from UC Irvine (STL)
Age 21.3 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 203 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
40/45 50/55 50/50 40/45 45/55 90-93 / 95

Pallante was young for a college draftee (just 20 on draft day), and had a strong, two-year track record of starting at Irvine. He threw on the Cape and for Team USA, so he’d been seen by most everyone and wasn’t subject to the anti-small school bias. He has four pitches, including two quality breaking balls and a fastball that might play a little better than its velocity. He has a backend shot.

27. Adanson Cruz, RF
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2017 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 19.3 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 175 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+

A $300,000 signee from 2017, Cruz has a traditional corner outfield profile. He has a projectable 6-foot-3 frame and a swing geared to lift the ball to his pull side. He could grow into plus, playable power; he’s likely a left field-only fit, so he’ll need to. He missed almost all of 2019 due to injury.

28. Steven Gingery, LHP
Drafted: 4th Round, 2018 from Texas Tech (STL)
Age 22.3 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 220 Bat / Thr R / L FV 35+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
50/50 45/50 55/60 45/55 88-93 / 94

Gingery had Tommy John in March of 2018 before he was drafted, and finally took a pro mound in late-July of last year. He was 87-91, up to 92 in his lone outing before he blew out again and required a second TJ. Healthy Gingery had a nasty changeup and advanced command. He projected as a backend starter.

29. Jesus Cruz, RHP
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2017 from Mexico (STL)
Age 24.7 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 225 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Changeup Command Sits/Tops
55/55 55/55 50/50 30/35 94-96 / 98

When the Cardinals signed Cruz, he was 21 and pitching for Sultanes de Monterrey in Mexico. He’s serviceable, non-40-man upper-level depth for now. His current control is likely a barrier to a solid, middle inning relief role, but Cruz has real stuff and we like him in an up-and-down role.

Drafted: 2nd Round, 2013 from Terrebonne HS (LA) (ARI)
Age 24.4 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr L / R FV 35+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
40/45 60/60 40/50 40/40 50/50 50/50

A downward bat path long undercut Williams’ in-game power despite his considerable raw juice. He had the second-highest average exit velo in this system and the lowest average launch angle, and this with a swing that’s better than it was two years ago. He has a shot to break out if there’s a relevant swing change; if not, a bench role is going to be tough to grab hold of because of the lack of other skills.

31. Griffin Roberts, RHP
Drafted: 1st Round, 2018 from Wake Forest (STL)
Age 23.6 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Changeup Command Sits/Tops
45/50 55/60 40/45 45/50 90-93 / 95

Roberts had one of the best breaking balls in the entire 2018 class, a two-plane Wiffle ball slider that was at least a plus pitch on draft day. But his stuff was down last year amid a weed suspension, and he’s already almost 24. What looked like a lock to be a quick-moving, breaking ball-heavy reliever now requires a bounce back.

32. Connor Jones, RHP
Drafted: 2nd Round, 2016 from Virginia (STL)
Age 25.3 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
60/60 50/55 50/50 35/40 92-95 / 97

Jones had a storied if somewhat tumultuous amateur career (he was an early-round prospect in high school but, like many after him, was convinced to go to UVA) that included a National Title and several fluctuations in the quality of his stuff. He’s now a sinkerball reliever (63% groundball rate).

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2017 from Venezuela (TBR)
Age 19.1 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 207 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+

Part of the Liberatore/Arozarena/José Martínez trade, Rodriguez was injured for almost all of 2019, so his report is the same as it was when he appeared on last year’s Rays list. It’s not abundantly clear whether Rodriguez will be able to catch as, at age 18, he’s already a pretty big, long-levered kid who was initially unsure if he even wanted to try it. But Rodriguez can really hit. He has excellent timing, bat control, and feel for all-fields contact, and he can open up and get his barrel on pitches inside. He might end up at first base or in an outfield corner, but he might hit enough to profile at those spots, and if he can catch, his ceiling is sizable.

34. Rodard Avelino, RHP
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2016 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 20.6 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 180 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Command Sits/Tops
65/70 50/60 20/35 94-98 / 99

Avelino has no idea where most of his pitches are going (he has 99 walks in 51 career innings) but he has big time arm strength for his age (94-99) and several other fastball traits that could make the offering dominant — even elite — if he ever becomes an even passable strike-thrower. The chances of that seem low considering how badly Avelino has struggled with it to this point, but his stuff is just too good to stick him in the honorable mention section.

Other Prospects of Note

Grouped by type and listed in order of preference within each category.

Catching Depth
Julio Rodriguez, C
Pedro Pages, C
José Godoy, C

Rodriguez, 22, has some power and arm strength, and aside from a bad 2018, he’s always performed. Pages is similar but faces an uphill climb as far as visual evaluations are concerned because he’s on the Alejandro Kirk spectrum. Godoy might get some big league time in 2019. He’s a contact-oriented lefty stick with well-rounded defensive ability.

Young Arm Strength Fliers
Luis Ortiz, RHP
Logan Gragg, RHP
Yordy Richard, RHP
Alvaro Seijas, RHP
Luis Tena, RHP
Jeffry Abreu, RHP
Nathanael Heredia, LHP
Leonardo Taveras, RHP
Tyler Statler, RHP

Seijas and Taveras are the oldest names in this group (they’re 21). Seijas gets up to 97 and has a good changeup, but we also spoke with someone who saw him sit 90-92. He has relief projection if the velo can settle into the 94-plus area. Taveras has a live arm (up to 98), and he’s somewhat projectable at 6-foot-5. His mechanical inconsistency impacts his control and breaking ball quality. He also has relief ceiling. Ortiz, 19, is the most projectable of the group at 6-foot-3 and 170 pounds. He’s up to 94 with lots of spin and some curveball feel. Gragg’s velo was up after he was the Card’s eighth rounder. He’s 92-94, touching 95, with a slider that could use some tweaking. Yordy Richard is only 17 and up to 94 with an advanced changeup. His frame is a little more stout. Tena’s is, too. He’s 20 and has been up to 96, though the secondaries are fringy. Abreu was acquired from the Dodgers for Jedd Gyorko. He has a low-90s fastball but the best curveball of this group. Heredia is 19, projectable, and up to 95; the delivery is a little less good than others here. Statler is purely a physical projection lottery ticket. He’s a very wiry 6-foot-6, up to 93 with a sinker.

Various Kinds of UTM (Up The Middle) Bats
Chandler Redmond, 2B
Franklin Soto, SS
Albert Inoa, 2B
Nick Dunn, 2B
Joerlin De Los Santos, CF
Ramon Mendoza, 2B

Redmond is a huge guy with huge power who is a Muncy/Shaw non-traditional second base fit. Soto, 20, has plus bat speed and a good build, but his in-the-box footwork is rough right now. Inoa, 18, is a contact-oriented second baseman with a medium build and some speed. Dunn also has contact skills, but he’s a 40 athlete who needs to perform, and he didn’t last year. Mendoza is similar but a few levels behind Dunn. De Los Santos lacks physical projection but is twitchy and athletic.

Conversion Arms and Older Dudes
Walker Robbins, LHP
Ben Baird, RHP
Edgar Escobar, RHP
Evan Kruczynski, LHP
Angel Rondon, RHP
Mitchell Osnowitz, RHP

Escobar is 23, and has a swing-and-miss heater up to 96 and an average slider. Kruczynski’s velo and command backed up last year but we liked him as a four-pitch fifth starter before that happened. Rondon is also an arm strength-only relief type. Osnowitz is 28 but might pitch in the big leagues. He’s up to 98 with other bat-missing fastball traits (backspin, mostly). Robbins and Baird were both 2015 Perfect Game All-Americans as position players who are moving to the mound. Robbins is up to 92 with some feel for spinning a curveball. Baird has more arm strength but his conversion is so new that all we know is he’s been into the mid-90s.

System Overview

This system is fine. There are a couple of potential impact talents up top, several young, high-variance players who could join them if things click (most of the 40+ tier), and pitching depth and depth up the middle, though you have to venture into the Others of Note to find the latter.

There seems to be an org-wide taste for righty corner power bats, as all three departments have acquired at least one in the last few years. The pro department has had an impact even though the Cardinals perennially compete because the club has traded for younger prospects with the glut of upper-level outfielders they signed and developed well. The same stable vibe the big league team gives off is present in St. Louis’ talent acquisition track record.





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hombremomento
6 years ago

Rest In Peace Oscar Taveras.

Cave Dameron
6 years ago
Reply to  hombremomento

* Minor League Guy

CM52
6 years ago
Reply to  hombremomento

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

hombremomento
6 years ago
Reply to  CM52

Yeah because its his fault his car ran off the road… I’m sure he wanted to kill himself and his girlfriend in a car crash..

CM52
6 years ago
Reply to  hombremomento

Driving drunk was 100% his fault.

hombremomento
6 years ago
Reply to  CM52

Fair

Wu-Bacca
6 years ago
Reply to  CM52

Alcoholism, if Tavares suffered from it, is a medical condition, so it’s debatable whether drinking to excess was his “fault.” But let’s not go down that rabbit hole and concede that you’re correct, that driving drunk was 100% his fault. There are hundreds of thousands of people who drive drunk every year, but not nearly that number of drunk-driving fatalities. IOW, even though drunk driving may have been the initial and primary cause of his death, he was still an incredibly unlucky man and it would not be wrong, in my opinion, to mourn him as such. (His deceased girlfriend, of course, was even more unlucky and even worthier of our compassion.)

CM52
6 years ago
Reply to  Wu-Bacca

Alcoholism is a disease (and a huge stretch in this situation), but driving is still a choice, and any sympathy I have goes out the window if someone gets behind the wheel in that condition.

But it’s cool you want to be a drunk driving apologist, I suppose. Not every instance results in vehicular homicide either, so it’s just bad luck when that happens and no one’s really at fault.

hombremomento
6 years ago
Reply to  CM52

I’m… not apologizing for that? I’m simply saying it was untimely?

bernardgilkeyhasaposseMember since 2019
6 years ago

Fair enough getting me to curb my Dylan Carlson enthusiasm. I do think he’s a better prospect than Gorman, though maybe that’s just wariness of the latter’s bust potential.

Sano is an interesting comp for Gorman, I guess I had always thought “best case scenario” as a Jim Thome type.

Thanks for the excellent, thorough writeup.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

I’m in the same boat on Carlson being a better prospect that Gorman, but that’s partly because Gorman scares me. Guys without good defense and who strike out this much have a bunch of ways they can struggle and only a couple of ways to reach their ceiling. Guys like Carlson, who have advanced hit tools, really benefit in the current live-ball era. Gorman has a ton of time to figure it out and I certainly wouldn’t put him below FV50 but he’s got huge risk.

AlaskanThunderFuck
6 years ago

When is Dylan Carlson supposed to turn into a 40 runner? I imagine Rickey Henderson must be a 40 or worse runner by now. I don’t see anything looking at the video that tells me Dylan Carlson can’t play CF for the Cardinals.

If Tonya Harding’s boyfriend wacks Carlson in the kneecap with a pipe that might make him a 40 runner who has to play LF or 1B, but otherwise he’ll be fine there.

bernardgilkeyhasaposseMember since 2019
6 years ago

Methinks he will indeed play LF, but that’s because Harrison Bader exists.

Carlson/Bader/O’Neill left-to-right is what I hope to see by mid-season.

tdouglas
6 years ago

That’d be a fun outfield to watch, but it would mean STL didn’t acquire an OF before the season started, which means the offense would probably remain mediocre. And I don’t think O’Neill will ever make enough contact to start in the majors. Of players with 150 at-bats or more, he had the 5th-worst SwStr% and Z-Contact% in baseball last year. He’d need to improve dramatically to start.

aschrag83
6 years ago
Reply to  tdouglas

Ok. And of the four who were worse by z contact%, their wRC+s were 38, 104, 144, and 86. It’s almost like you can’t just take a single attribute and extrapolate it out to a guy’s entire offensive production…

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  aschrag83

Fine, O’Neills entire offensive production is mediocre. While lack of contact on its own may not necessarily be a problem, in O’Neill’s case it’s caused him to post OBPs simply unacceptable for a starter on a contending team. He’s basically the second coming of Randal Grichuk.

belkiolleMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

You’re talking about 290 sporadic plate appearances over two years in the majors. Even so he’s managed to post an OBP over .300 (still not great but understandable) and play at a 3 WAR/600 pace. I think he’ll be fine.

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  belkiolle

No, that’s not an understandable OBP for a starter on a contending team, especially with his 88 OPS+ last year. He needs to bump that up to at least .320. As it stands, he’s fourth on the outfield depth chart behind Fowler, Bader, and Edman. If Edman is needed more at 3B, then O’Neill may have a decent shot, but of course Carlson will be probably be called up eventually, as well.

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Well, O’Neill could also get a shot if Bader flops again with the bat, Edman has a significant sophomore slump, or someone gets injured, but he’s not a favorite right now. (On the other hand, O’Neill could also find himself even further down the depth chart if he’s outplayed by someone like Lane Thomas.)

Unless serving as a necessary injury replacement, contending teams require position players to prove they can perform in limited duty before they’ll be considered for full-time play. Edman deserves such an opportunity, but O’Neill doesn’t. Yes, there are times that players get better with regular playing time, but contending teams can’t usually afford to take that kind of risk.

Lanidrac
6 years ago

Bader still needs to prove he can hit well enough to hold on to the starting job, and the Cardinals are still likely to pick up Ozuna or someone else to start in LF, anyway.

Also, in what world is O’Neill a better player than Fowler in 2020?! Maybe by 2022, but not now!

belkiolleMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Umm…In 290 PAs the last two years O’Neill has been more valuable than Fowler has in over 900 PAs.

All Bader has to do with the bat is be average or slightly under and he’s a 3 win player thanks to the elite defense. If he hits like he did in 2018 rather than 2019 he’s a 4.5 – 5 win player and possible All Star.

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  belkiolle

It’s unfair to use Fowler’s terrible 2018 in that comparison. 2019 Fowler was MUCH better than O’Neill has ever been and is much more likely to be what 2020 Fowler will look like.

Meanwhile, it remains to be seen if Bader will be even slightly below average with the bat. 2018 Bader was a quality starter, but 2019 Bader was a bench player with his terrible bat despite his elite defense. Which one is the real Bader going forward?

I was wrong about further outside help, though. So it will be an open competition for both LF and CF in Spring Training with Bader being the CF favorite but by no means assured of the job. A starting outfield of Edman, Bader (or whoever wins those two jobs), and Fowler might be decent enough (at least until Carlson arrives), but there’s also a significant possibility that such a starting outfield really sucks. If only Ozuna had just taken the darn qualifying offer instead of holding out for months just to get $200K more to play for what he considers a less preferred team…

RonnieDobbs
6 years ago

I doubt Rickey is a 40 runner.

whiptydojoe
6 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

“Rickey isn’t a 40 runner” – Rickey

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

I’ve been pretty skeptical about Knizner for a while. Being a bad defender at the position which catches the ball over and over again makes him pretty hard to be a regular, even if he hit well, which he doesn’t. On the other hand, I’m weirdly optimistic about Justin Williams as a platoon piece, and given the lack of lefty hitters in the Cards’ lineup I bet he gets some opportunities. My head says he’s a quad-A guy, but even without a swing change I do see a path to being an interesting bench piece.

The depth here has really taken a hit, but the top-end looks really nice. I’m a little skeptical on Gorman due to the defense and strikeouts but the upside is huge, Carlson looks great, Herrera and Liberatore have all-star upside.

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Bad receiver, good defender.
Knizner has gunned an exceptional 45% of basestealers for his pro career (60 of 134), his error totals are quite modest, and the 2019 passed ball rate was his lowest since being drafted in 2016 — just 3 PB’s in 74 starts. But the framing is indeed apparently pretty damn bad.

So the question becomes, how much can he improve upon that? If he can advance from awful (minus 20 runs let’s say) to merely below average at framing (minus 8-10), then his total defensive profile is adequate for a 2-2.5 WAR starter, provided he’s a 100 wRC+ batter.

But I don’t know enough about framing to say how much improvement is a viable possibility. And I kind of doubt that St. Louis is an organization that would accept the bad framing tradeoff. They’ve been snobby about backstop glovework ever since the trading of Ted Simmons.

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And I forgot to add, Mr. Trombone, that I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding Ivan Herrera. Not sure why his writeup at this site was so dismissive of his Arizona Fall League performance, but the coverage at MLB.com was effusive. Quoting:

“I had three different looks at Herrera this fall, and in each one the 19-year-old impressed me in a different way. In my first look, back during Week 2, Herrera, who’s the second-youngest player in this year’s league, was a blocking machine, smothering and then pouncing upon everything starter Jordan Johnson threw in the dirt in what was ultimately a suspended game (rain).

“In the next, the right-handed-hitting teenager showed veteran plate discipline with a tight approach, working walks in three straight trips to plate before finally torching a 107-mph double down the left field line in the ninth.

“His batting practice before the Fall Stars Game, meanwhile, was among my favorites. He showed plus pull-side raw power, parking balls well over the fence with ease, and hitting them farther than most other hitters on the field that day.

“He over-strides with his front side at times, which causes his hips to leak and his barrel to drag, but there’s a lot to like in Herrera’s innate ability to drive through the baseball. It’s a trait that points to a future uptick in game power for a player who already understands the zone and shows feel to hit.”

What wasn’t mentioned above was that Herrera hit well consistently in his limited game action — and best of all was the only hitter in the entire Fall League this year to fan less than 10% of the time. He may or may not be a backstop. But he surely looks like a hitter, and I expect him to spend his age 19/20 season in Double-A from the start.

teddyrugbyMember since 2017
6 years ago

Enjoyed the assessment. The club seems to produce solid MLB players regardless of rankings, which is a compliment to them and not an indictment of rankings. The club famously loves to minimize risk or raise the floor, and they seem to have found a way to do that with their young players (though, technically, good luck could possibly be the way).

dnangle4
6 years ago

No love for Angel Rondon? I don’t think he’s a future ace but just had a very solid year finishing at Double A as a 22 SP, so I am surprised he didn’t crack the list. Any big red flags I am missing?

Thanks for all the great work!

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
6 years ago
Reply to  dnangle4

There are no Rondon red flags. Everything that follows is excerpted from a post of early August, at another website.

Here are the slashlines permitted this year (in AA only) by some of the very elite pitching prospects in baseball. Beside each pitcher is his age and his current Fangraphs ranking among all pitching prospects.

Dustin May (21 years old, #3 overall pitching prospect) .237/.297/.330
Casey Mize (22, #4 pitcher) .226/.274/.322
Sixto Sanchez (21, #8) .231/.273/.353
Matt Manning (21, #11) .198/.264/.296
Ian Anderson (21, #13) .202/.285/.296
Angel Rondon (21, not top 600 pitcher) .228/.309/.320

His velocity is already fine, with perhaps room for extra. (MLB pipeline’s recent update remarked that “he generates easy velocity, sitting 92-94 mph and bumping 95 in most outings, and is a candidate to add a few more ticks based on his remaining physical projection.”)

He has zero serious injuries much less arm surgeries in his past.
He’s succeeded at every single level and never been old for his league.
He isn’t a little guy. He’s listed at 6′ 2″ and 185, same as Jordan Hicks.
He has no conditioning or other work ethic/personality questions.
And finally, he gets out lefties as well as righties.

Righty Rondon has faced 269 lefty batters in 2019 and allowed them to slug .237.
That’s not a typo, and that’s not a batting average line. Seriously, that’s slugging. That’s LEFTY slugging, permitted by a righty starting pitcher. Rondon across two levels has allowed lefties to hit .190/.291/.237. In Double-A they’ve slugged .286.

But maybe my favorite thing is:
Over the past two years, with the bases empty he’s got a merely so-so K/BB ratio of 127-to-58. But with men on base, it’s nearly 5-1 at 112-to-23. That’s a kid who can pitch in a pinch.

Redneck Redbird
6 years ago

You’re missing so hard on Angel Rondon that you’ll be writing articles in several months justifying how you overlooked a top of the rotation starter in this system (yet somehow did a write-up on Connor Jones?).
Trejyn Fletcher gets the national level media hype for his endless tools but Patrick Romeri is raved about more from internal collaboration.
Similar to everyone missing on Tommy Edman last year (ranked 20 at the time yet still put up 3.2 fWAR in 349 PA) many are missing on Justin Williams this year — his re-tooled swing will surprise many.
Thank you for finally removing Alex Reyes from the number one ranking in this system (five years later). Dreaming is fun but reality reminds fans to stay grounded when it comes to elite pitching (TINSTAAPP).

Number20
6 years ago

Alex Reyes was removed because he pitched just enough last year to no longer qualify as a rookie (50 IP). What the future holds for him, nobody knows, but I bet the authors were glad not to have to project it.

mack423
6 years ago

You’re bang-on with your Rondon, Fletcher and Williams evals.

tdouglas
6 years ago

To me, St. Louis and its catcher development is fascinating. Carson Kelly took awhile to bloom (who could blame him with his paltry at-bats behind Molina) but looks to be an average or better backstop. Knizner is in the same situation behind Molina but should find meaningful time in the majors, whether that’s with STL or elsewhere. In A-ball, Ivan Herrera hit BETTER than Nolan Gorman while playing a much harder position, and both were just 19 years old. I didn’t know if he could field his position or not, but since you guys have a future 55 on him, there’s a lot to like. If Molina decides to play through 2022 and doesn’t completely fall off a cliff (2019 was a big red flag), Herrera probably becomes the catcher of the future. I’m looking forward to seeing if newcomer Edgardo Rodriguez can be the next catcher prospect of note.

I personally like lefty Godoy, who has hit all throughout the minors. If he can field his position like you say, I bet he’ll see time in STL with Knizner starting daily in Memphis (STL prefers defensive prowess behind Molina).

Side note: what in the world happened to Delvin Perez? STL has gotten value from their late teens-early 20’s first round picks throughout the past years, but Perez busted hard. Anyway, thanks for all of your hard work, guys!

Redneck Redbird
6 years ago
Reply to  tdouglas

I disagree to the side note: look no further than Nick Plummer when the Cardinals drafted him over Walker Buehler.

Kevbot034
6 years ago

That was always a stupid pick

jadey52803
6 years ago

No Ryan Helsley? Is he no longer eligible? It looks like he only has 36 innings pitched at the major league level.

teddyrugbyMember since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  jadey52803

I’m also curious about Helsley. He throws hard, has good stuff, but he needs better control. Seems to have a starters kit if he could harness his stuff, but he may fit better in the bullpen. He’s not that young, so he’d probably be a bit below Junior Fernandez, unless the authors think he could start.

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  jadey52803

He probably spent too many non-September days on the Major League roster.

Kiley McDanielMember
6 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

correct

MeDeke
6 years ago

I’m a little surprised that Fernando Brazoban hasn’t appeared on a Cardinals list yet. Any news about him? Thanks.

Kevbot034
6 years ago

Woodford looks a lot like Dakota Hudson, no?

mack423
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

Not sure why he’s so low here, either. The Cardinals have always been aggressive with him, and he’s always responded. As a result, he has over 200 AAA innings and he’s a fresh 23. Definitely looks like a back-end starter to me, and I don’t buy that he’ll need a piggyback partner.

Kevbot034
6 years ago
Reply to  mack423

Yeah, I’ve followed him as a 5th starter type innings eater, but maybe the Dakota-like bouts of wildness will make him that piggyback type.

Jasper FranciscoMember since 2017
6 years ago

If Liberatore and Gorman were in most teams top five to seven spots on their pre-draft boards, why did they go 16th and 19th respectively?

tdouglas
6 years ago

There could be lots of reasons.

Once the draft starts, certain players start falling to your team. The front office might say, “Man, Gorman might be the best young hitter in the draft, but I never expected Generico Exampler to fall to us. Gotta scoop him up!” Or, “We like Gorman a bit more than Samplerino Individualjols, but Gorman is a teenager, and we prefer college-aged players at this time.” Or, “Gorman is probably the best available at this stage of the draft, but we think we can save money by drafting El Point de Comparison and going over-slot later in the draft and get multiple upside picks.”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

A big part of the draft is managing your bonus pool, so if you think you have no shot at a guy you might not do enough work figuring out what his bonus demands were, or how it will affect all the other deals you’ve made.

In this case, I think a lot of teams probably missed the boat, because it wasn’t that far-fetched to think someone would have fallen. Even in Kiley and Eric’s mock draft they had Gorman and Liberatore going at #8 and #10 and Carter Stewart sliding all the way down to #15, so Stewart going at #8 and Kyler Murray suddenly going at #9 was enough to scramble the entire board and send two (instead of one) guy free-falling.

lmb2020Member since 2020
6 years ago

No mention of Jack Ralston? He’s a year older than Pallante but also out-FIP’d him in Low A last year.

mack423
6 years ago

Angel Rondon doesn’t crack the top 34 and is relegated to a “conversion arm” (because he’s surely not an “older dude”?)? The guy just turned 22, spent the year mostly at AA, pitching 115 IP, 8.8 K/9, 3.3 BB/9, 7.7 H/9, 0.9 HR/9; 1.226 WHIP, nearly three years younger than league average. To me, he’s absolutely at least at Oviedo’s level. I also don’t quite understand Locey above Woodford.

Lanidrac
6 years ago

That’s odd how you rank the prospects solely by expected future value with no consideration for how close they are to the Majors (which explains the big differences between your list and MLB’s). Surely, for example, a 40 FV prospect in AAA is more valuable than a 45 FV prospect in low-A ball due to the much smaller chance that the former becomes a bust before contributing to the MLB team.

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
6 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I’m fairly sure that when K & E calculate their FVs, proximity to the majors (or lack thereof) is folded in as a risk factor for each prospect. Just like plate discipline, injury history, work ethic, etc..

The hypothetical 45 FV in Low-A very likely has a much higher *upside* than the theoretical 40 FV in Triple-A, to borrow your example.

Lanidrac
6 years ago

That’s fine if it’s true, but it makes the name of “future value” an awkward misnomer. It makes it sounds like merely a median projection without accounting for range.

Lanidrac
6 years ago

You do know that blocking balls and throwing are still very important parts of a catcher’s defense and would remain so even with robot umps, right?