Trader Jerry and the Mariners Take the Rebuild Route

King Félix’s reign is drawing to a close, but the future looks bright(er) in Seattle than it has in quite a while. (Photo: Keith Allison)

For the first time in a while, the Mariners weren’t playoff-adjacent in 2019. Depending on your point-of-view, over the last decade the Mariners have either been the worst playoff contender or the greatest also-ran in baseball. Rarely a thoroughly dreadful team, the mid to late 2010s Mariners were a fringe playoff threat in most seasons, typically flirting with contender status before staying home to listen to old Morrissey albums. It’s now been 18 years since the last time Seattle played postseason baseball. Team executive VP/GM Jerry Dipoto is banking on the notion that the organization can remedy that state of affairs with a quick retooling, initiated before the team reached the direst of straits.

The Setup

The 2018 Seattle Mariners played baseball quite adequately, winning 89 games, the team’s most since 2003. It wasn’t enough to punch a ticket to October, thanks to the Houston Astros winning 103 games and it taking a 97-win season merely to tie with the second wild card team, the Oakland A’s. The Mariners made it interesting and were able to stay close to the Astros for most of the year. The team’s divisional deficit didn’t permanently stretch to more than five games until late August. They scared Houston for a while, grabbing sole possession of first-place for part of June. Perhaps most impressively, the Mariners did it with bandaids and duct tape; former cornerstone players Félix Hernández and Kyle Seager were no longer stars, and second baseman Robinson Canó missed most of the midseason thanks to an 80-game suspension for a banned substance.

After the season, the Mariners made a rare decision for an 89-win team: they blew it up. The decision to enter a rebuild is a hard one, typically resulting in multiple years of struggle. But one of the advantages of going this route is that the Mariners were better able to control their destiny. Unlike the Orioles or the pre-Luhnow Astros, Seattle wasn’t forced to take a long view by having a system devoid of talent at the major and minor league levels.

For an extremely active executive like Jerry Dipoto, having a lot of options is important. The 2018-2019 Mariners were still able to find someone interested in Canó, and rather than treating a closer as a player you build around *coughRedscough*, they bundled Edwin Diaz with some cash and were able to land Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn. In addition to getting two of their top five prospects from the Mets — both ranked 50 or better by THE BOARD — the Mets picked up some spare baubles in Anthony Swarzak and Gerson Bautista. Even Jay Bruce, mostly brought in to make the cash work, has been occasionally useful in recent years.

In the space of just a couple of weeks, the Mariners shipped out James Paxton, Jean Segura, Juan Nicasio, Alex Colomé, and Carlos Santana. Santana may be the best example of the velocity with which the Mariners made moves over the winter; his brief stint in Seattle was even shorter than the notorious Piazza-as-Marlin week. Santana never played a game as a Mariner, the equivalent of one of those Star Trek episodes where they accidentally change history and then someone disappears from the timeline because, well, they have to get everything back to normal because the hour is up.

Seattle’s general strategy was to start a quicker retooling and keep fan interest up, though the fans have been unusually supportive of a team that has largely treaded water and gone so long without October baseball. While a lousy 2019 was inevitably going to hurt attendance that had stayed relatively steady, turning it around quickly could mean the team only experiences a slight blip in terms of fan support.

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The Projection

ZiPS saw the Mariners as a much-weakened team coming into 2019, but at a mean projection of 76-86, they were still close enough to have a 1-in-25 chance of making the playoffs. A 3.9% postseason probability isn’t the most exciting thing by any stretch of the imagination, but think of it this way: in the majors in 2019, a home run has been hit in 3.7% of plate appearances. Are you shocked and awed when someone hits a home run in 2019? Well, unless you’re a Marlins fan?

Despite the trades, Seattle’s 2019 position wasn’t immediately bleak, and I maintain that the playoff hopes were as reasonable as the projections thought. 2018’s outta-the-blue star, Mitch Haniger, was still on the team, and Bruce, Edwin Encarnación, and Domingo Santana all had the potential to make up at least some of the missing offense. Kyle Seager and Félix Hernández weren’t so far removed from productive years, and the Mariners also added NPB veteran Yusei Kikuchi to help counteract the loss of Paxton.

This team wasn’t obviously doomed going into the season.

The Results

For a brief, shining moment, it looked like the Mariners were going to crush expectations. They swept the two-game series in Japan against the Athletics on the back of an emotional farewell to Ichiro Suzuki, and started the year winning 13 of 15 games. That was good enough to establish a four-game lead in the AL West, and, as I always remind people, there’s a starting position at which anyone can beat Usain Bolt in a footrace. Through these 15 games, the Mariners had seven hitters with a wRC+ north of 120 (and typically by a significant amount), and a team ERA below four.

As you may have surmised if you’ve looked at the standings at any point in the last three months, it didn’t last. From the team’s high-water mark in April until June 2, when Bruce was sent packing in the first of a long series of June trades, the team went 12-36. April’s playoff hopes were a faded memory by the end of May. During this stretch, nearly a third of an entire season, the team’s ERA of 5.74 was the worst in baseball. The pitching staff even managed to allow more home runs than the Orioles over that span, squeezing out a 92-90 edge. The offense didn’t experience quite as stark of a breakdown, but a triple-slash of .225/.300/.414 and a bottom-third in the league finish in runs scored isn’t a highlight for the newsletter.

With a long shot playoff run not coming together, Dipoto started trading off some of talent that was unlikely to be around in the long-term. Bruce, Encarnación, Mike Leake, Hunter Strickland, and Roenis Elías all moved on to sunnier climes in July.

Despite the record, the Mariners found out a lot of interesting things about their talent in 2019, so even the losing has been relatively productive. Omar Narváez might be a good enough hitter to compensate for his rather bland, ineffective defense behind the plate. Daniel Vogelbach might not be the second coming of Matt Stairs after all, but Tom Murphy and Austin Nola are looking like amazing scrap-heap additions, and Kyle Seager actually isn’t done. Seattle became the latest team to rob a solid reliever from the Nationals, bringing in Austin Adams after the Nats couldn’t be bothered to take a real look at him.

In the end, the Mariners can hang their heads high that unlike other teams residing in baseball’s dark, moist cellar, doom wasn’t preordained.

What Comes Next?

Seattle’s been slowly moving money off the books and now only have around $80 million already accounted for in 2020. Felix Hernandez is their only significant free agent — Arodys Vizcaíno, like Carlos Santana, was only a “paper Mariner” — and as sad as it is, King Félix is no longer a significant major league contributor. Most of the team’s arbitration-eligible players are in their first year, and the ones who aren’t non-tendered won’t break any banks. Additional cash comes off the books in 2021 with the Jay Bruce deal disappearing and Mike Leake’s payoff decreasing. While we can argue that most teams in baseball can spend more than they claim to be able to, the Mariners will likely be able to spend quite aggressively a couple of years from now, even with their self-imposed constraints.

Ranked eighth on the board, the Mariner farm system is in better shape than at any time I can remember. Kiley and Eric had the Mariners 15th in an earlier 2019 report. Going back further, and using Keith Law as a stable long-term reference for Seattle’s rank, that was already up from 22nd. Law ranked the Mariners 30th before 2018, 28th before 2017, and 28th before 2016. In other words, there’s far more young talent on the Mariners’ farm than there has been at any point in recent years.

That the team has reached this point with only one year (so far) in the wilderness is a testament to the work Dipoto has already done to repair the flaws of the Jack Zduriencik regime.

The Absitively, Posilutely, Way-Too-Early ZiPS Projection – Kyle Lewis

In the decade since drafting Kyle Seager, the Mariners have had little luck drafting hitters, with the best-drafted hitter since then being current Dodger Chris Taylor. Thanks to tearing most of the things in his right knee after a 2016 home plate collision while playing for Low-A Everett, Kyle Lewis’s prospect status looked in real danger. 2018’s comeback season wasn’t a thrilling one, with Lewis hitting .244/.306/.405 after his May return. 2019 was encouraging, as Lewis stayed healthy and continued to develop as a hitter; this was in the Double-A Texas League, so his improved offensive numbers aren’t due to the Triple-A leagues now using the flubberball. And since joining the big league roster, he’s been on a homer tear, hitting four long balls in his first six games as a Mariner. Lewis will have to continue to improve his plate discipline and develop his power, but he now has a real chance to succeed where other Mariners middle-order prospects haven’t. This is especially important as it’s unlikely Lewis plays centerfield all that often in the majors.

ZiPS Projection – Kyle Lewis
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2020 .246 .309 .388 529 62 130 29 2 14 65 47 164 3 90 7 1.2
2021 .243 .310 .390 515 61 125 30 2 14 64 49 166 3 91 6 1.3
2022 .243 .312 .396 515 63 125 30 2 15 65 51 167 3 93 6 1.4
2023 .237 .311 .386 510 62 121 29 1 15 65 53 169 3 90 5 1.2
2024 .236 .312 .388 369 45 87 21 1 11 47 40 125 1 91 4 0.9
2025 .237 .312 .387 380 46 90 22 1 11 48 41 124 2 91 4 0.9

While I wouldn’t call this projection “good,” it also represents a significant change in outlook for ZiPS from its preseason forecast. Before 2019, ZiPS saw Lewis as a player who likely wouldn’t peek far above replacement-level at any point. Now it sees him as a realistic, if limited, contributor to a winning team. He now peaks as a 15-homer hitter instead of one who hits around 10, and ZiPS thinks he’s made enough progress in his plate discipline to walk 50 times a year. That’s real progress.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

I like where this team is headed. Kelennic, Rodriguez, Gilbert, White, and Dunn should all be up in 2021 (Dunn is there already?). That’s a good group, and whichever ones make it should be the core of the next good team. And on top of that they still have some interesting guys floating around (Santana, Crawford, Haniger, Mallex Smith). It’s too bad that they didn’t or couldn’t cash in on Marco Gonzales, because if they had traded Haniger and Gonzales last offseason they’d be in great position now.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Dunn was unhittable in his last start. He faced 7 batters and nobody put the ball in play.

gavinrendar
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Marco is likely to end with more WAR this year than last year. I admit I’m confused why his WAR is so high, given his performance, but it’s not like he’s dropped off.

I was warm to the idea of trading Haniger last off-season for 2-3 top 100 prospects if it was possible. Now I’m wishing we had. Not just because he dropped off a bit, but because there seem to be a few decent OF options to chose from going forward.

Dag Gummit
7 years ago
Reply to  gavinrendar

Yeah. Marco’s already eclipsed his WAR from last season, in fact; though it’s mostly due to him having received an increased an increased load (so far 189 IP vs 166 last year). That said, it’s also like you stated: he hasn’t dropped off, by any means. While one would have a fair argument on projecting him to fall off next year due to his xFIP, that’s an expected stat. While not as low as last year’s, his FIP is a pretty decent 4.14 and in line with his ERA of 4.10.

bookbookMember since 2019
7 years ago

What would the Lewis ZIPS projection be based on his road stats alone? I’m wary of believing in Lewis as a star or maybe even a regular, but man he looks good when he’s right. He also seemed to lose more to his home park than any other Mariner this year,

Stevil
7 years ago
Reply to  bookbook

Evan White’s home-road splits were slightly worse (he put up better road numbers than Lewis).

But he didn’t need 40 protection.

bookbookMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  Stevil

No. Kyle Lewis hit .341 points of OPS higher on the road than at home. Evan White hit .222 points higher on the road than at home. That’s a worse split. White had a better year, no matter how you look at it. Except that the bar for hitting for a first baseman is so much higher than any other position.

Stevil
7 years ago
Reply to  bookbook

You’re right. Somehow, I mixed the two up. White did have bigger power numbers on the road, but the gap in Kyle’s line was huge. Just couldn’t hit at DSP.

It will be fun to see if White’s power numbers improve as we’ve seen with Lewis in the early showing, but White’s probably more likely to stay in AAA for the better part of the season.

Jetsy Extrano
7 years ago

Best-drafted hitter Chris Taylor: Ketel Marte was a IFA but he’s been Chris Taylor 2.0.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
7 years ago

This is my new favorite series. Great article!

3cardmontyMember since 2020
7 years ago

The Diaz trade looks like a massive coup. But they still haven’t developed any legit stars. They have no one even approaching Houston’s core. No Chris Taylor/Ketel Marte-type breakouts. Feels like even if everything goes right, they’re right back where they were before the “reimagining” – an 89 win team 10 games back of Houston.

Jross
7 years ago
Reply to  3cardmonty

But the owners will be making more money.

gavinrendar
7 years ago
Reply to  3cardmonty

Well, Dipoto hasn’t had the time to develop stars. Lewis is the first player his office ever drafted for the Mariners.

You’re right, the M’s haven’t developed legit offensive stars since Seager, but that really doesn’t have anything to do with whether the system they have in place is good or bad at developing hitters. So far, the indicators are only really going positively (Lewis, White, Kelenic, Julio, N. Marte, Fraley, etc.)

jfree
7 years ago
Reply to  gavinrendar

I think the goal of developing ‘stars’ is way too high and arbitrary a bar. A far more reasonable/achievable bar is developing tons of replacement-level 40-man roster players – so the floor keeps getting higher and players then have the opportunity to ‘breakout’. It’s still maybe a year too early to assess that – but so far it doesn’t look good imo. He’s drafted mostly college (who should move faster but who also are an indicator that he prefers outsourcing ‘development’ to colleges) – but with all the trading from the top has either shut off playing opportunities at the top or the college players he’s drafted haven’t really developed to force the 40-man roster. That first year’s draft of college players is now 24-25. Mariners 40-man should be full of homegrown talent. It isn’t.

Maybe he’s the smartest trader in MLB and will be able to deal his way into a young MLB roster that can become a good team. Or maybe that’s just ego and trades will all be a wash (or worse).

gavinrendar
7 years ago
Reply to  jfree

I’m just shocked anyone can look at where the system was when Dipoto started, then look at where it is now, and conclude that “so far it doesn’t look good.”

I don’t even know how to ask you how you came to that conclusion, because I’m so damn confused.

The Mariners have had a bottom 5 farm for the last four years, and now have a top 10 by almost every publication. The prospects are performing better and scouts are rating their tools higher. Except for maybe Justus Sheffield, every major prospect the Mariners started the year with has gained value in the industry rankings. Kyle Lewis, their first drafted player, has five home runs in his first eight games (I know it means almost nothing, but the point is you can’t even be upset with their first drafted player yet). The biggest trades the Mariners have made were Walker and Marte for Segura (now Crawford) and Haniger, which is still in the Mariners’ favor after Marte’s great season; and Cano and Diaz for Kelenic and Dunn, which is likely considered the most lopsided trade in the past 12 months.

So… um, what the heck are you talking about?

jfree
7 years ago
Reply to  gavinrendar

Trading for prospects is a one-time thing. It’s not the way you build a sustainable farm system. It’s the way you quickly fill up an empty one using talent that is already playing at the MLB level. And while there are some (very few) MLB organizations that have proven they can develop traded prospects rather than just finish them off, Mariners (and DiPoto’s previous orgs) haven’t proven they are one of those orgs. So no reason to give them benefit of doubt either.

Nor does an org get much credit for picking/paying for the consensus top-prospects (whether draft or intl) that are available when they first select in any year. That requires little scouting beyond what’s free on the Internet – and picking college requires less internal development skills too.

It’s obviously still too early – as I stated – for the 2018/2019 drafts to add evidence of a structural/org change . The standard of ‘is the org any good at this stuff’ should be are the prospects moving faster than Rule5 forces teams to move them. Teams that ‘pass’ are either moving their prospects onto the 40 man quickly (raising the floor) or net-lose players to Rule5 over time (on average doing a better job than other teams at developing 40-man talent). I just see no evidence of any org change so far in the Mariners on that measure. And that should show up this offseason and next.

gavinrendar
7 years ago
Reply to  jfree

You can’t say the pick is “obvious” and “consensus top pick” available when that many teams passed up on him, unless you’re willing to ding those organizations in comparison to the Mariners for doing so. You can’t have it both ways.

And developing their prospects into the top 100 guys White, Julio, Gilbert, Lewis, and even Kirby in some lists is absolutely evidence of good development. None of them were top 100 at time of draft. Moving Kelenic from a mid 60’s prospect to a 20’s prospect is also some combination of good scouting and good development.

You keep saying there’s no evidence, but it’s all right there. Sure, they need to become major leaguers for the process to be complete, but you’re basically taking a student who has great grades at midterms and saying “I have no evidence she’s a good student until she gets a good finals score. In fact, she is unimpressive because she hasn’t taken any finals yet.”

There’s just no intellectual consistency.

jfree
7 years ago
Reply to  gavinrendar

I’m not saying those were consensus prospects in the entire draft. They were at the point where the Mariners picked.

Lewis was ranked 3 by time of draft (was a big riser that year). Picked 11.
White was ranked 18. Picked 17.
Gilbert was ranked 16 by time of draft (was a big faller that year cuz overwork). Picked 14.
Kirby was ranked 18. Picked 20.
Julio Rodriguez was ranked 10 in his intl class. idk what rank his signing bonus was but it isn’t ‘internal scouting’ that found him or any of these five.

A scouting/development ‘find’ from say the 2016 draft would have been say a 2+ round projected player who may now comfortably be on a 25-man roster rather than 40-man — eg Lux (33); Alonso (65); Gallen (78); S Murphy (84); W Smith (110); Balazovic (127); Civale (136); B Wilson (144); Solak (147); Bieber (151); D May (166); Knizner (195); Lucchesi (not in top200). Mariners have Festa but I wasn’t even looking for 25-man RP’s (idk most of them in MLB).

You seem to attribute/conflate skill at scouting/dev with mere position in that particular draft. that’s not how it works. Org skill is not exhibited in round 1 or 2. It’s exhibited in later rounds when draft position no longer really matters. The only thing exhibited in round 1 or 2 is org stupidity/stubbornness and I’m not claiming Mariners are either of those.

gavinrendar
7 years ago
Reply to  jfree

Not conflating at all. Look at all the guys drafted before and after Lewis. Then before and after White. Then before and after Julio. How many of them have been as successful? How many of them have made it to the majors, and how many of those have been as successful as Lewis (even in this short of a sample)?

You don’t get to say the M’s are bad at developing players and then when someone points to the well-developed players, just say “but that particular player was always going to be *easy* to develop.”

That is called confirmation bias. You’re starting with your conclusion and back-filling the logic. I’m looking at the changes to and results within the farm and coming to a conclusion. One of these is good thought process, one of them is not.

bookbookMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  jfree

There are signs of organizational skill developing, even if not as unambiguously in the top stars. The Potential emergence of undrafted FA Devin Sweet as a 4th starter candidate, Delaplane’s K dominance, Cal Raleigh’s development beyond where anyone projected with both bat and glove, Fraley’s continued swing change success, may be better indicators of that than Kelenic and Julio and Gilbert and Kirby performing at their 80th-90th percentile projections. Fortunately, (and not to read too much into one good year), both elements are pointing upwards. Even though the indications on Sheffield and Dunn are a bit less rosy.

fjtorres
7 years ago

Who’s the next japanese star in the posting pipeline?
Odds are he ends up in seattle, right?

dl80Member since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Rouki Sasaki?

OddBall Herrera
7 years ago

I love it when teams have the balls to sell early rather than feebly grasp at contention for a couple years and doom themselves to a long rebuild (the Tigers and Phillies method). Selling a year early rather than a year later cuts off a hell of a long time from your rebuild.

Next team with this choice in front of them is probably the Red Sox. They can talk themselves into being back in it next year, but it’s going to get ugly fast if they do.

fjtorres
7 years ago

“It is better to trade a player a year early than a year late.”
–Branch Rickey

Stevil
7 years ago

Good assessment and breakdown, complete with Morrissey and classic Star Trek references.

I would argue that Narvaez’s offense doesn’t make up for his shortcomings, and any changes to the balls could put a dent in his power numbers. But they could lean on Murphy more, buy a free agent or wait for Raleigh.

It will be fun to see how they evolve. Pretty good progress for just one year into this thing.

ThomasMember since 2017🏆 MVP
7 years ago
Reply to  Stevil

“flirting with contender status before staying home to listen to old Morrissey albums.” I resemble that remark. :\