Vladimir Guerrero is Safe at Home

I watched Ron Washington’s Game 5 post game press conference and he stated the following:

We have a very aggressive team, and tonight we took advantage of some things, a ground ball double play Vladimir [Guerrero]. What else do we have to do but come around the bag and keep running? If it’s a double play, the inning is over anyway.

I thought Vlad had slowed down when rounding third base, so I went back and looked at the video to see if Vlad was hustling the entire time to get home or was he waiting to see how the play at first base unfolded.

The video of the play does give a few hints confirming if Vlad was heading home once he left second base as Ron Washington stated or was Vlad looking for some other clue to go home.

First of all, there was no visual clues that third base coach, Dave Anderson, was sending Vlad home as soon as he left second base (45 seconds into the video).

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No arms windmilling- nothing. Anderson simplywalks slowly closer to third base.

Second, Vlad is not hustling home with 100% effort like Ron Washington mentioned in the press conference. About three steps from third base he begins to slow down to a jog and continues at this pace for few steps after touching third base. During this same time he is watching the play at first base unfold.

vladbases2

Finally, Vlad never actually put his head down and ran home with 100% effort until he saw Kinsler was safe at first base.

I am not sure what event that actually caused him to decide to head home with 100% effort. I first thought he may have been too far off the bag to make it back to third base safely if David Price decided to throw to third base, so Vlad decided to try to score. After watching the video a few times, I think he could have easily made it back to third base.

Maybe it was Texas’s plan to have their runners always round third base on possible double plays with one out and try to score. If this was the case, I think Dave Anderson would have been waving Vlad home once the ball was thrown to first. Instead, both seemed to be watching the the play at first base.

I actually think either Vlad and/or Dave Anderson knew that David Price had a propensity to ignore base runners when covering first base as seen earlier in the game. Once they saw that Ian Kinsler was safe and Price had his back to the play, Vlad headed home to try to score. There is no way from the footage to tell which one made the decision. Anderson was about 6 feet away from Vlad when Vlad decided to head home. He could have easily kept the instructions somewhat quiet in order for David Price not to hear them or Vlad could have made the decision on his own. There is just no way to tell either way for sure.

Ron Washington can claim that Vlad was heading home no matter what due to the Rangers aggressive base running, but I don’t think that is the case on this play. Instead it was a heads up play by some combination of the base runner Vladimir Guerrero and the third base coach Dave Anderson.





Jeff, one of the authors of the fantasy baseball guide,The Process, writes for RotoGraphs, The Hardball Times, Rotowire, Baseball America, and BaseballHQ. He has been nominated for two SABR Analytics Research Award for Contemporary Analysis and won it in 2013 in tandem with Bill Petti. He has won four FSWA Awards including on for his Mining the News series. He's won Tout Wars three times, LABR twice, and got his first NFBC Main Event win in 2021. Follow him on Twitter @jeffwzimmerman.

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Bizarro RJ
13 years ago

This is some very aggresive writing by Jeff. What choice does he have but to take shots at the Rangers right here? The fangraph team has been a big backer of the Rays all year, and now that they are out of it and are facing losing some core members of the team. So Jeff and the other the writers need to aggresively attack the victors in this series.

Piccamo
13 years ago
Reply to  Bizarro RJ

You’re right. We shouldn’t call out people when they say one thing, yet it’s completely wrong. We should just say “the Rangers won, they can rewrite history”.

FanGraphs hasn’t been favorable to one team over another. They have commented on all teams throughout the season. The writers are still fans and each has their own preferred teams and so some bias will come through in those cases. This is not one of them.

Bizarro RJ
13 years ago
Reply to  Piccamo

False. There was clearly a slight bias in this offseason. Go look at all the write ups after games 1 and 2 and tell me where the Rangers write up was/is .

If the writers want to call out managers on thinks they say after a game that is incorrect, or makes no sense, then they would have an endless series of articles to write. Picking on the Rangers, and Washington, after they won their first ever playoff series is weak sauce

Piccamo
13 years ago
Reply to  Piccamo

You come off as whiny and annoying. Why do you need validation and praise for a team from a bunch of writers on the Internet? The game reviews heap plenty of praise on the victors.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/alds-game-one-review-texas/
“Led by a typical Cliff Lee playoff pitching performance — 10 K’s, 12 retired in a row at one point…”

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/alds-game-five-review-texas/
“Credit due to Vladimir Guerrero for a heads-up play, the guts to take it, and a fantastic slide.”

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/alds-game-five-review-tampa-bay/
“Congrats to the Rangers, who now advance to the ALCS.”

I’m not sure what more you want.

phoenix
13 years ago
Reply to  Piccamo

i agree that this is a compliment to vlad and anderson and in no way an insult. i will say though, that they can be biased sometimes against certain teams. example? fangraphs hates the yankees. constantly trashing everything that jeter does on the baseball field, and during this previews and reviews of postseason games, the yankees have half the previews/reviews that any other team has. they enjoy much more writing from other team’s points of view and explaining how they can beat the yankees. i am not really upset about it because i understand that everyone loves the underdogs and no matter if the yankees had 88 wins against a 105 win team in the playoffs, the yankees will never be considered underdogs because of their payroll and their history. im not saying that this is that much of a bad thing, because its only human to have preferences, and its just not as much fun to analyze how cc is gonna go 8 solid innings, pettitte is old news in the postseason, and hughes isnt that exciting, while no one needs to be told that arod and tex can mash. to recap: this piece was not biased, some pieces are, but its not too big of a deal.