What Byron Buxton’s Struggles Have Meant Historically

Back in June, Eno Sarris discussed with Byron Buxton some adjustments the latter had made in his attempt to succeed at the major-league level. Then, about two weeks ago now, shortly after Buxton was sent back down to the minors, August Fagerstrom discussed whether any of the aforementioned adjustments had helped or hurt Buxton’s production. We know both that (a) Buxton has attempted to make adjustments and that (b) he possesses tools that have distinguished him, at points, as the top prospect in all of baseball. We also know that his stat line is pretty much terrible so far. Here I’d like to ignore the tools and focus only on that latter part. What does Byron Buxton’s awful stat line tell us about his potential for future success?

In August’s piece on Buxton, he mentioned Milton Bradley, Jackie Bradley Jr., Carlos Gonzalez, Brandon Phillips, and Miguel Tejada as examples of players who struggled and then recovered. Surely there are other examples of players who fit that description — and probably an even greater number of players who were terrible from the start and quickly found themselves out of the league. Before finding those players, we should acknowledge just how difficult the transition to major-league can be, especially for a player like Buxton, who’s still just 22 years old.

Even if Buxton doesn’t get another plate appearance this season — a scenario which seems unlikely given the possibility of a September call-up — he’ll end his age-22 season having recorded 356 career plate appearances. In the last 50 years, only 334 position players have reached 350 PA by the end of their age-22 season — or, roughly 13% of all players over the last 50 years who’ve recorded at least 350 PA total. Of those 334, only around 40% have produced even average offensive numbers (100+ wRC+), and just one-third of those players have actually excelled at the plate (in this case, recorded a 120 or greater wRC+). Out of all position players to record at least 350 plate appearances in the majors, the population to produce a line above 120 wRC+ by age 22 is under 2%. Increasing the pool to all position players — regardless of plate-appearance thresholds — drops the percentage of players who excelled by age 22 to under 1%. Essentially, simply making the majors at Buxton’s age and earning the playing time Buxton did is a feat unto itself, and success at that age is rare.

That said, Buxton has been really bad up to this point. A .199/.248/.319 slash line with a 5% walk rate, 35% strikeout rate and a 49 wRC+ renders him at best a replacement-level player if we assume Buxton is great defensively. For a moment, let’s forget that Buxton was one of the top prospects in all of baseball. Let’s set aside the skill set and tools over which scouts have drooled. And the fantastic minor-league numbers. If all we know is that Buxton played in the majors at ages 21 and 22 and was generally terrible, who are the similar players and how did they end up faring?

To find similar players to Buxton, I looked at players between 1966 and 2011 who recorded between 200 and 500 plate appearances at age 21 through age 22 who (a) recorded at least 20 plate appearances in each season and (b) hadn’t recorded more than 500 plate appearances by the end of their age-22 season — i.e hadn’t logged significant time before age 21. Then, to find players similar to Buxton, I narrowed down the group only to those players who produced a wRC+ below 80 during that time. While Buxton’s mark is quite a bit lower, the idea here is to capture the players who were poor offensive players to start their careers. There are 45 players who meet all these criteria. Here are their average numbers along with Buxton’s:

Byron Buxton at Age-22
PA BA OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ WAR
Buxton Comps 341 .218 .276 .308 .264 60 -0.5
Byron Buxton 356 .199 .248 .319 .247 49 -0.5

Looks like we’re in the ballpark here. Keep in mind, the only thing we know here is the age, plate-appearance totals, and poor offensive lines of the members of this sample. How these players ended up doing is going to be based on expectations. Many of these players likely struggled because they weren’t great hitters and never would be. That said, there are quite a few successes. As Chris Mitchell does with his KATOH projections, I looked at proceeding numbers through age 28, essentially giving every player six more seasons. Here’s a general breakdown of how the players performed from age 23 through 28.

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The bad news, of course, that half of these players essentially busted, providing little to no value in their time in the major leagues. However, one quarter provided at least marginal value while the top quarter provided good to very good production despite a very poor start. If we break the group above down by quartile for the top two and then lump the bottom half all together, here’s what we get:

Byron Buxton Comps: Age 23 Through Age 28
PA BA OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ WAR
First Quartile 3182 .276 .335 .438 .341 111 17.4
Second Quartile 2076 .253 .323 .369 .312 91 5.5
Bottom 50% 625 .228 .283 .327 .275 65 -0.2
OVERALL 1627 .246 .306 .365 .301 83 5.6

That 5.6 overall average might seem a bit low for a former No. 1 prospect, but a little context might help. When Buxton was called up in 2015, KATOH projected Buxton for 13.3 WAR through his age-28 season, and that number made Buxton one of the very best prospects in baseball. After a disappointing 2015 season, KATOH projected Buxton for 5.7 WAR heading into this season, which still made him one of the best 50 prospects in baseball. While there are certainly differences between the methodology that produces KATOH and the one I’ve utilized here, they both produce fairly similar numbers. Given that the study above was done after Buxton’s struggles this year, it might even be a small sign of encouragement that hope is not lost for Buxton and this season shouldn’t change significantly your thoughts on his potential future.

For reference, I found a similar group of young players such as the one described above — except, in this case, instead of identifying players who’d performed badly on offense, I sought to identify players who’d recorded something between an 80 and 120 wRC+ at ages 21 and 22. There are 34 players in that group, and they had a better bust rate than the poor-hitting group, at just 32%, and nearly one quarter went on to produce at least 20 WAR between ages 23 and 28, with another 18% reaching at least 10 WAR. Their overall average was 10.1. So we can see the effect of getting off to a slow start versus holding your own.

As for the players who struggled like Buxton and recovered, here are their numbers from age-23 to age-28:

Byron Buxton’s Optimistic Comps: Age-23 Through Age-28
PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ WAR
Willie Wilson 3670 .310 .347 .399 .335 106 26.5
Matt Williams 3288 .261 .305 .500 .348 119 24.4
John Mayberry 3753 .261 .374 .448 .369 133 21.8
Jay Bell 3596 .273 .343 .403 .336 109 21.4
Joe Rudi 3221 .287 .330 .458 .352 128 20.6
Dickie Thon 1930 .272 .328 .400 .322 107 14.4
George Hendrick 3382 .277 .329 .456 .351 121 14.0
Cliff Floyd 2473 .290 .365 .511 .372 125 13.3
Royce Clayton 3345 .261 .313 .365 .301 80 13.1
Jhonny Peralta 3773 .266 .330 .428 .331 101 11.3
Brandon Phillips 2575 .274 .323 .448 .332 95 10.8

On the negative end, there are former top prospects like Andy Marte and Karim Garcia, but the above list also shows that many players in nearly identical situations to Buxton have succeeded in the past. It’s perhaps most comforting that the top player identified by this method was an athletic center fielder like Buxton. Willie Wilson put up a six-win season at age 23 after spending the previous two seasons striking out too much, walking too little and putting up a wRC+ of 63 — i.e. not too far off from Buxton’s numbers. Buxton’s major-league career has been a disappointment thus far, but he’s not alone in that regard and many similarly situated players provide optimism even without accounting for the tools, the scouting reports or the minor-league numbers.





Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.

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Bread n Mustard
10 years ago

I would not be surprised if Max Kepler ends up having a better career than Byron Buxton.

Joshua Miller
10 years ago

That is rather brash considering the two have barely more than 600 PAs combined. Remember Bob Hamelin?

Doorknob11
10 years ago

He reminds me a lot of the other CarGo (Gomez) toolsy player that has big problems at a young age

southie
10 years ago

His tools are so loud that even with an awful start to MLB career every major evaluator still couldn’t drop him from top 2 or 3 prospects. He’ll figure it out.

The Ghost of Johnny Dickshot
10 years ago
Reply to  southie

Which “tools”, other than speed, are so loud?

jdbolickMember since 2016
10 years ago

His speed, arm, and fielding are clearly plus, so that’s three of the traditional five. His power and hit ceilings were also believed to be above average, although those obviously look like longshots right now.

GoldenSpikes
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

The three least valuable tools! He was just another scouting love affair with a super athletic guy.

His power and hit tool were grossly overrated. I had the hit tool around 50-55 and the power 45. That’s not me saying that I’m smarter than the well known prospect guys, everyone should have seen this coming but they were blinded by the ‘tools’.

His big breakout season in 2013 where he hit .334 over two levels had guys like Mayo throwing 70’s on his hit tool and 60 power LOL!! If you would dig deeper into that .334 it wasn’t as impressive as it seemed. He was taking advantage of A ball defenses. 25% of his hits that year were Infield hits. That doesn’t translate to the majors, but nobody paid attention.

I can’t find it now, it was in an article on MiLB.com that year, they were talking about it in reference to how fast he was, but that is where the red flag should have been raised. The closest article i could find discussing this was this one http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/6/12/4421412/breaking-down-the-success-of-twins-prospect-byron-buxton It covers the first half of the season, he already had 21 infield hits, and was approaching a .300 average to balls on the left side of the infield!!

mike sixelMember since 2016
10 years ago

I can’t decide if I should feel better, or feel worse, now…..

What would the list look like if we included everyone that got that many ABs and hit that badly at older ages? Do we get more success, or less, as a percent? I mean, is age really an important piece of information, or is how someone hits in their first 200-500 ABs more important?

OddBall Herrera
10 years ago

I mean, it’s nice that there are some positive comps, but also telling because a year ago if you said “he could be the next John Mayberry” everyone would’ve been disappointed, but here we are now saying “at least he could still become John Mayberry”.

Not that the players on that list don’t have value…they just don’t have the ‘next MLB superstar’ type value prospect hounds saw in him.

wobatusMember since 2024
10 years ago

At least it’s the dad and not the son.

Bear in mind we are only looking at the cost-controlled years or so here, ages 23-28. Which makes sense. But Matt Williams ended up putting up 44 or so WAR in his career. Jay Bell and Willie Wilson about 38 each.

Joshua Miller
10 years ago
Reply to  wobatus

I was about to post the same things a lot of these guys were late bloomers and productive well into their 30s, if you have tools you are going to get more opportunities to prove that you aren’t a bust.

OddBall Herrera
10 years ago
Reply to  wobatus

Funny, that was my mistake. I should’ve paid more attention to my sense of shock when I thought “Mayberry had 20+ WAR??”

mike sixelMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  wobatus

I’d be happy with 44 WAR…..

Angelsjunky
10 years ago

Delmon Young and Corey Patterson both come to mind, both of whom were #1 prospects at one point, especially Patterson – who was a similar “uber-toolsy” player, if I remember correctly.

Maybe the question can be phrased differently: Why do some super-talented players develop (Trout) and others don’t? (Patterson). Young is a tad different, but he basically never improved. He stagnated for a few years as a pretty average hitter in his early 20s, then looked to breaking out at age 24 in 2010, then he fell to worse than he was before and has been a platoon player since 2013 (he hasn’t played this year, not sure if he retired). With Young is all make-up: he never developed plate discipline and I think had weight problems as well.

Patterson followed a similar pattern. He stagnated, had a mini-breakout in 2003 at age 23, and then fell apart again. As far as I remember he was another toolsy player who had no command of the zone, no discipline, and perhaps poor work ethic.

Major league history is littered with players like this: super talented, but don’t pan out because they rely too much on their natural talent and don’t realize that baseball is also–even largely–a game of skill refinement. I imagine that whether or not Buxton succeeds will primarily have to do with how hard he works to refine his skills, rather than just rely on his natural talent. No matter how talented you are, once you get to the majors that simply doesn’t work (unless you are Vlad Guerrero, but he’s a freak).

wobatusMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Angelsjunky

It could also be that someone is very toolsy AND works hard and still doesn’t develop the skills. I have no idea if Corey Patterson actually had a great work ethic. Shawon Dunston also was a highly touted prospect, gifted athlete, who didn’t become as great a player as expected.

Jackie T.
10 years ago
Reply to  Angelsjunky

Everything I’ve read about Buxton is that he’s a humble, hard-working and conscientious young man. I’m not sure what your basis is for this assessment, but if you have some information to the contrary please share.

Angelsjunky
10 years ago
Reply to  Jackie T.

I’m not sure where you think I said he was otherwise, or what my “assessment” of him is. Most of my commend was regard to Young and Patterson and speaking generally of players in terms of the relationship between natural/athletic talent and work ethic. If he is all that you say, I imagine that eventually he’ll figure things out. Maybe he won’t be the second coming of Mike Trout like some were saying a few years ago, but he could still be a star.

OddBall Herrera
10 years ago
Reply to  Angelsjunky

It goes beyond work ethic – an organization needs to instruct a player on how to prepare for pitchers and how to adjust to what they’re doing on a game by game or even AB by AB basis. That’s a tool as much as any of the physical ones, and I would argue that an organizational failure to develop that is being played out at a larger scale in Buxton, Sano, Park, Vargas, Arcia, etc.