What Even Is Jonathan Lucroy These Days?

The A’s are signing Jonathan Lucroy for one year and $6.5 million. Why are they doing that? Because Lucroy has been good before, and, other than Lucroy, the A’s catchers are Bruce Maxwell, Josh Phegley, and Dustin Garneau. It’s not so much that Lucroy is sure to be a massive improvement. But, he ought to help, and the A’s had some money to move, and this season, the A’s also happen to look like a half-decent wild-card contender. Everything makes sense. This move was almost painfully obvious.

Of course, in order for this move to go down, Lucroy had to accept. You know how free agency works. And the A’s have had some problems here, in terms of getting players to take their money. Sure, the A’s have run low payrolls in large part because they’ve intended for payroll to be low, but they’ve also often been turned down, even when they’ve had the high offer. This offseason, for example, the A’s offered the biggest contract to Brian Duensing, who re-signed with the Cubs. Maybe Lucroy is fond of the A’s. Maybe he’s excited to go there. But, it’s the middle of spring training. The market decided Lucroy wasn’t worth being enthusiastic about. The A’s came calling with a job.

As I write this, Lucroy is 31 years old. Not even very long ago, he was considered one of baseball’s best catchers. How did his free agency end up in this place? Lucroy, like Carlos Gonzalez, is coming off a bad season. And it’s not at all clear what anyone should make of him at this point. What skills he still has are fair to question.

For anyone who’s been reading about baseball analysis long enough, you’ll remember that Lucroy was regarded as one of the very top pitch-framers. Then something strange began to happen. For reasons unclear, Lucroy lost his statistical framing skill. I wrote about this in January of 2016. Ben Lindbergh went to far greater length last May. Travis Sawchik talked to Lucroy in July. Let me show you how things have gone, in one image. Baseball Prospectus has the gold-standard pitch-framing data. Here are Lucroy’s pitch-framing percentile ranks among catchers since his debut.

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For years, Lucroy was among the very best framers around. Last season, Lucroy was among the very worst framers around. He was as bad in Colorado as he was in Texas, and, of course, between the high and the low, there was a transition period in the middle. By the numbers, Lucroy as a receiver has completely fallen off the cliff. If true, that would mean Lucroy’s defensive value has plummeted by several wins. So the question is: Is it true? Are the numbers missing something? Are the numbers accurate, but might Lucroy be able to bounce back?

I have yet to see all that satisfying an explanation. The Rangers didn’t think Lucroy’s actual skills had declined. But then, they never had him at his best. Lucroy has pointed to the pitchers he’s had to catch, but it’s not like the Brewers had league-leading pitching staffs during Lucroy’s defensive heyday. Maybe it’s just age, or wear and tear. Maybe framing declines like everything else. But, it shouldn’t decline this quickly. Jose Molina was a great framer forever. It’s just…odd. Lucroy is either all right, or he’s irredeemably terrible, or he’s redeemably terrible. All of a sudden last year, Welington Castillo rated as an above-average framer. Maybe these things just aren’t so stable.

No one is really sure what’s going on defensively. Even the A’s just throw their hands up. Lucroy will be what Lucroy will be. But to make matters all the more complicated, Lucroy has also changed dramatically next to the plate, instead of just behind it. Between the last two seasons, 234 players have batted at least 250 times in each year. Here are the five biggest drops in strikeout rate.

All right, maybe that looks pretty good — Lucroy last season made constant contact. He made it tremendously difficult for any pitcher to pick up a swing and miss. But here are the five biggest increases in ground-ball rate.

Year over year, Lucroy has the biggest ground-ball-rate increase on record, going back to 2002. More contact, yeah, but more contact on the ground, and this is a catcher we’re talking about, not Juan Pierre. So, this follows from that — here are the five biggest drops in hard-hit rate.

Sometimes you read about hitters who sacrifice contact for power. The simplest possible interpretation is that Lucroy just did the complete opposite. He rarely struck out, but he also rarely hit the ball with any authority. And so, his wRC+ dropped from 123 to 82. Just for fun, I took the absolute values of all the year-to-year changes in the numbers above. The following table shows the ten hitters who just changed the most, by the above categories.

Ten Large Profile Changes, 2016 – 2017
Player K% Change GB% Change Hard% Change |Total Change|
Jonathan Lucroy -8% 16% -13% 37%
John Jaso 5% -19% 6% 29%
Yonder Alonso 9% -10% 4% 23%
Jed Lowrie -2% -13% 7% 22%
C.J. Cron 9% -9% 4% 21%
Whit Merrifield -8% -7% -5% 20%
Troy Tulowitzki -3% 12% -4% 19%
Matt Holliday 10% -2% -7% 19%
Wil Myers 4% -7% 8% 19%
Gregory Polanco -6% 3% -10% 19%

Lucroy is just a mystery. The contact, at least, is something he’s had before. But he’s never before hit so many grounders. And the good version of Lucroy never hit so many balls weakly. Put it all together and I don’t know how Lucroy ought to be projected. I don’t know if the A’s should think of Lucroy as a good defender behind the plate. I don’t know if the A’s should think of Lucroy as a good hitter beside the plate. The offensive changes come with very limited precedent. We haven’t seen many recent cases like Lucroy’s. Xander Bogaerts made similar changes between 2014 – 2015, but his wRC+ shot up. Perhaps 2015 – 2016 Miguel Montero could work as something of a comp here, but even there, Montero and Lucroy are two different players.

If you just go off straight-up projections, Lucroy should be fine in 2018. Because he was so good in 2016, the A’s deal gets to look like a bargain. At the very same time, when you look into Lucroy in detail, it’s hard to ignore the possible signs of a baseball career in free-fall. Typically, aging players make less contact, not more, but it might’ve been attempted compensation. I genuinely don’t know. I don’t know what to make of Lucroy one bit.

It’s possible this is the signing that pushes the A’s into a wild-card game. I like them at most of their other positions, and Lucroy was tremendously valuable just two seasons ago. Lucroy might also be designated for assignment by the middle of June. I know you could technically say the same for any free agent, but Lucroy is especially mysterious. The A’s are probably as interested to find out what they have on their hands as anyone. Even in the industry, there are questions that only time can answer.





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Pwn Shop
8 years ago

I had a similar reaction when I heard that he signed. OH the A’s got Lucroy!! Wait, is he still good or not?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I don’t have a lot of hope for the framing coming back to being elite. Russell Martin talked about how incredibly low to the ground Lucroy could get, and it seems totally reasonable that his decline in framing is at least partially due to not being able to do that anymore. Maybe he bounces back to league average?

I think he’s got a better shot of rebounding at the plate. He went from nearly unplayable in Texas to being adequate after the trade, and there doesn’t seem to be any obvious physical decline. And for that reason alone, I think he’s worth the flyer the A’s took on him.

ssf
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Take my opinion with a huge grain of salt because a fair amount of it’s just eye test nonsense, but I’m pretty convinced he’s got an injury of some kind(my guess is to his back). His stance became higher and noisier and as a result he tended to stab down at the low strikes which carried his glove out of the zone instead of the quieter upward movement that made borderline pitches finish in it.

In this theory, the weird and abrupt changes to his batted ball profile can be explained by an inability to generate torque with his torso resulting in a shorter, flatter bat path which was more difficult to strike out but led to far inferior contact

Kevbot034
8 years ago

Was there any hope in his numbers that gives confidence to think he can bounce back? Or did he just decline fast and that’s that?

Jetsy Extrano
8 years ago

“Total |Change|”

sorry not sorry, this is Fangraphs, we do operator precedence

ND12
8 years ago

“By the numbers, Lucroy as a receiver has completely fallen off the cliff. If true, that would mean Lucroy’s defensive value has plummeted by several wins.”

Is framing incorporated into FanGraphs’ Def/WAR calculations at all? Lucroy’s Def has not fluctuated nearly enough to possibly account for a swing of multiple wins, so it seems like I can infer that it is not…?

This is a good time to ask: what is the Def component of catcher fWAR derived from? And how much confidence should I put in catcher fWAR if framing is excluded? “Confidence” is a relative term – I know defensive metrics as a whole are an inexact science, but IMO my grasp of catcher defense is much shakier than the other positions.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  ND12

Framing is not part of catcher WAR at Fangraphs. So yeah, I would agree that catcher WAR is incomplete. I don’t think any reasonable person would disagree with that.

According to this, most of catcher defense is preventing stolen bases and blocking balls.
https://www.fangraphs.com/library/defense/catcher-defense/

Catchers are also the one position where “intangibles” might really matter, as the linked article points out.

ND12
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C

It looks like FG stopped using RPP after 2014, though? And it looks like rSB is just a component of DRS, which apparently does include framing – Lucroy’s DRS numbers would seem to illustrate that.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  ND12

Whoa, I did not catch that.

I suspect that if they are using DRS, it’s got a similar set of things it measures. But it would be nice to get some confirmation.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Please help me. I respect your opinion from reading your astute comments here for quite awhile. I have been trying to get my mind around framing ever since it became the latest hot analytical “breakthrough”. I still find it difficult to accept that how a catcher receives the ball can influence, or more accurately deceive, the umpire consistently. That comes from a person who does accept that umpires have different strike zones for different counts. Does framing take into account who the umpire is and have the different umpires been graded on who is the most susceptible to being fooled. For example, I would have been graded as a great framer if Eric Gregg had been standing behind me.

timmer
8 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I am not the Trombone, but at the extremes, think of when a catcher drops the ball. Even when it pretty clearly crossed in the strikezone, the umpire is very unlikely to grant the strike call. Dropped balls just don’t really process as strikes to the human mind in an instant, so it’s easy to see how the catcher can impact the judgment of the umpire. Work back from there and think of the thousands of pitches a catcher receives in a year and the little differences in the way they catch them and you can kind of get how it makes a difference at the margins, and those margins add up over time.

AndyMember since 2016
8 years ago

On one hand, the ‘story’ of his decline is almost legendary. He nixes a deal to Cleveland as they’re on their way to a World Series, and it’s literally been downhill from there. In an article on this site earlier this year somebody detailed that even after the trade to Colorado his road numbers were still awful. But then, on the other hand, he’s still ranked as the 11th BEST catcher on Rotographs piece TODAY. I have no idea how it shakes out but i’m fascinated.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy

He was fine in Texas for those 2 months after the trade.

https://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C&season=2016

It was just 2017 where his offensive production cratered.

evo34Member since 2023
8 years ago

If nothing else, this shows the folly of paying someone long-term for pitch framing.

jmsdean477
8 years ago
Reply to  evo34

every catcher with the last name Molina begs to disagree!

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8 years ago
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Brad JohnsonMember
8 years ago

I’ve come to the conclusion that Lucroy was bitten by Francisco Cervelli. Now, every time he approaches a baseball field, he transforms into a Cervelli.

At least as a hitter…

bjoakMember since 2020
8 years ago

This excellent article suggests a good reason for his framing decline–and it sounds fixable: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jonathan-lucroys-mysterious-decline/