What If Baseball Had a Penalty Box?

I don’t watch a lot of hockey, but when I do, my favorite part of the game is when grown men sit in timeout. They have an angry little fracas and then are asked to cool down. In-game punishment is a tricky business: too light a touch, and violating rules risks becomes acceptable, too worth it. But go too strong, and the game becomes about the penalty; it’s not just an ump show but worse, a slog.

That’s part of the genius of the penalty box, the Sin Bin: removing one player from the ice spurs action. Your favorite team might score a goal. Perhaps you’ll be gifted a defensive highlight, made all the more impressive for playing down a man. But the true insight of the penalty box is a more basic one: we only ever stay really mad at things for a few minutes at a time.

There are exceptions, of course. Grudge holders, deviants. Last spring, we learned that Hunter Strickland carried his rage toward Bryce Harper through three years and a World Series parade. Some guys are just grumps. But most aren’t. Think about being a kid and playing in the yard with your cousin. Your cousin throws mud at you. Startled and angry, you throw grass back. You’re separated and sent to your corners to think about what you’ve done, but once you do, you’re ready to play again. How big a deal is mud anyway? You were dirty anyhow. Perhaps you should go eat worms together.

In the aftermath of the Strickland-Harper brawl, Sam Miller speculated on Effectively Wild that perhaps Harper would have better served by taking off his shoe and throwing it rather than chucking his batting helmet. He might have looked like less of a doofus, but the moment Harper bent down to undo his laces, it would have been over. The fight doesn’t happen. Reason returns. “Wait, what am I doing?” Bryce stops being entirely mad and starts being partially embarrassed. He remembers he’s a homeowner. He just needed a little timeout to change the whole afternoon.

A little bit of fighting is fine. Let’s not be fussy about it. A little bit, just a little bit, is fine. A little fighting entertains. It teaches us something about the players; I learned it might be a bad idea to tell Hunter Strickland you’ll help him move and then forget, because he sure won’t.

But things are out of hand. Fastballs are too fast, and players are too strong; there’s too much risk when guys behave badly now. Michael Morse missed the rest of the season after sustaining a concussion in the Strickland-Harper fight. His career is in jeopardy. It’s too much — and ejections and suspensions and fines aren’t doing it. Baseball needs something more. Baseball needs a Sin Bin. Let’s consider how it might work.

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First, we should pause to appreciate the joy of the name of the thing. Sin Bin? Sin Bin! Just imagine. I’d guess the hardest part of writing genre fiction is having to make up nouns and verbs, because it is so easy for it to go wrong. Unobtanium? Terrible. Grok? Really? You can very quickly sound ridiculous, and once you pull that thread, it all unravels. How will you ever convince your reader to spend another 350 pages with you? But Sin Bin doesn’t take any work. Sin Bin just rolls. Hunter, go get in the Sin Bin, you jerk! Delightful.

Much of the virtue of the Sin Bin is that it allows umpires to de-escalate a minor conflict rather than letting it fester. Of course, some indiscretions are still worthy of ejection, but they aren’t all that egregious. Rather, there is a spectrum of bad behavior, and much like hockey, there would be a spectrum of penalties to match.

Minor Penalty

This sort of penalty lasts the next three defensive plate appearances. If the opposing team scores, the player in the penalty box returns to the field of play; if the pitcher or manager is the offending party, the manager will select a substitute player from the field. The team will play down a man.

Examples: arguing balls and strikes, brawling secondary to a brawl, intentionally initiating contact on a slide, spitting at people, charging the mound without making contact, liking mascots.

Brawling Secondary to a Brawl

There’s already a ruckus going on, and it’s a large one, but Nick Castellanos isn’t content just with observing it from across the diamond. He has to be where the action is. I estimate that 95% of brawls that escalate do so not because of the original participants, but because of red asses like Nick. Nick needs a timeout so he can learn to be content with watching the action from third, for the sake of peace in our time.

Liking Mascots

The ballpark is a fraught space; it’s not a bar, but not every day is Little League day. You shouldn’t go out of your way to swear, but you’re a grown up. You can be a grown up. But you should also remember that we taught children how to dab three years ago, and they’re still doing it. They’re still dabbing when they should know it’s not cool. They should know! But it’s hard to unlearn things at that age because you know so little. The kids watching Anthony Recker horse around are learning that mascots are good. They’re learning that mascots are their friends. Anthony Recker is ruining these children.

Major Penalty

This sort penalty applies to the next six plate appearances, regardless of whether the opposing team scores; if the pitcher or manager is the offending party, the manager will select a substitute player from the field. The team will play down a man.

Examples: Really arguing balls and strikes, really brawling secondary to a brawl, making physical contact with an umpire, throwing behind a batter, hitting a batter below the ribs with intent, attacking mascots, swearing at children.

Really Arguing Balls and Strikes

An underrated part of a penalty-box system would be getting to watch managers — who would, under current rules, be ejected — have to continue to interact with umpires. A.J. Hinch was very grumpy about a called third strike, but after he’d said his piece, he saw the rest of the game from the clubhouse. What if he threw his little fit only to end it by turning to the ump and yelling, “AND I’LL SEE YOU AGAIN… SOON!” before marching back to the dugout. You’d watch the rest of that game no matter what the score just to see what his face would do.

Really Brawling Secondary to a Brawl

Do you know how you know you’re really brawling secondary to a brawl? When you knock an old man down because he isn’t steady on his feet, and you don’t stop to help him. That’s how you know.

Game Misconduct Penalty

In this case, the offending party is ejected; the team doesn’t play down a man, but if the offending party’s penalty occurs in conjunction with a minor or major penalty (i.e. hockey’s “two-and-ten” scenario), another player will serve the penalty.

Examples: throwing near the head with intent; physical altercations with contact; slurs based on race, gender, orientation, religion, country of origin, etc.; removing a mascot’s muppety head and tossing it at children.

Clear and Present Danger

Of course, some things are too dangerous for a mere timeout. When Matt Barnes threw a maybe-intentional 90 mph fastball at Manny Machado’s head, he had to go. You can’t rely on normal feelings of shame there. It’s too risky. What if the shame doesn’t take?

Similarly, some fights stop looking like baseball fights and become something else entirely. On June 5, 1999, the Dodgers’ Chan Ho Park and Angels pitcher Tim Belcher got after it. A brawl broke out. Go watch the whole thing. Sure, you have to bounce these two because they’ve punched each other, but also for the moment when Park kicks Belcher.

He lifts his body clean off the ground! He’s gotta go; whatever he’s doing, it’s not baseball anymore.

A Note on Valor

The Sin Bin’s biggest flaw is that it doesn’t have a companion in the light. It has no concept of medals for valor, but maybe it should. We don’t do enough societally to acknowledge quiet helpers. On May 1, 2017, Lance McCullers Jr. threw behind Mike Napoli, and the benches cleared. The bullpens rushed in. There was pushing and wrastlin’ and Jeff Banister looking mad.

There was also this:

Look in the lower left-hand corner. There you’ll find Robinson Chirinos and Marwin Gonzalez hugging Rougned Odor. They aren’t jostling him, or reminding him that he likes to fight, or dragging him off the field. They’re helping by hugging. Or here, when two friends find each other in the scrum during a fight last May, and have a nice reunion.

It doesn’t change that Ross Stripling hit Giancarlo Stanton, or that the benches cleared, but it takes some of the sting out. There’s real value in being the guy with the good sense to remember a fire extinguisher.

You may wonder why we shouldn’t just keep ejecting players like we do now. Part of the answer is that guys fight anyway (though admittedly they do that in hockey, as well), and part of the answer is it’s a useful way to de-escalate less serious conflict. Another part of it is seeing how many guys you could fit in the box. We’d probably see more runs that weren’t home runs. The defensive lowlights would amuse. But really it’s about shame. In the movie Slap Shot, goaltender Denis Lemieux, explaining the finer points of hockey to a television audience, says of the penalty box: “You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free.”

Shame is powerful. Shame, the awareness of having hurt one’s own team, moves us. Shame takes Future Hunter Strickland’s problems and makes them Present Hunter Strickland’s problems. It tethers him to something besides his rage. Shame makes you not want to do it again. Shame is why the penalty box goes right behind home plate.

Just imagine it. You’ve just made a fool of yourself. You have a text from your mom waiting at your locker. You’ve committed a minor penalty and now you have to sit right here, and watch. You have to watch your team field eight against Mike Trout. Maybe you’re a star. Maybe you’re Mike Trout! And now the Angels have to spend three plate appearances with you behind home plate, with all of us watching you. Or maybe you’re the pitcher, and you have to watch a teammate serve your sentence. Maybe there’s a little kid right by the penalty box, as in this picture. Maybe every ballpark should always ensure a little kid sits there, and encourage said kid to stare and look disappointed and ask, “Why?”

It would cost teams some revenue in prime seats and might be scarring to players — and there would be other details to sort through, of course — but I think it would mostly work. It’s not exactly empathy for those they’ve wronged, but it could move them there. I think the shame would be that powerful. After enduring the Sin Bin, wouldn’t you rather make up and go eat worms? Wouldn’t you rather get free?





Meg is the editor-in-chief of FanGraphs and the co-host of Effectively Wild. Prior to joining FanGraphs, her work appeared at Baseball Prospectus, Lookout Landing, and Just A Bit Outside. You can follow her on Bluesky @megrowler.fangraphs.com.

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DDMember since 2020
8 years ago

Dissing the Phanatic is high treason in Philly!

CC AFCMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  DD

The gratuitous attack on mascots can only lead the reader to one conclusion: “Meg Rowley” is simply a nom de plume for Robin Lopez.

Paul G.Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  DD

Philly is a city that boos Santa Claus but loves the Phanatic. If you put players in the Sin Bin for liking their mascot, there is a non-zero likelihood that they would burn down the stadium.

frangipard
8 years ago
Reply to  DD

He’s one of the two or three best mascots in all of sports, and definitely adds to the game. If you wanna make an anti-mascot argument, you illustrate it with one of the (many) lame ones.

BryzMember since 2019
8 years ago

Reminds me of the Jim Jefferies bit. Many people don’t want more gun control, so how about they swap their current arms for muskets, since that was the gun available when the 2nd Amendment was written. Now you have to spend 20 seconds prepping your weapon to shoot something/someone, and before you’re even ready to fire, you’ve already moved on from what made you angry.

Also, great article. I wouldn’t mind seeing some players sit in a penalty box once in a while.

The Real McNulty
8 years ago
Reply to  Bryz

right or wrong, why go there?

BryzMember since 2019
8 years ago

It’s what I thought of after reading this and I felt that I could mention it without generating a political conversation. It’s a touchy subject and I understand that, but at the same time I felt that I could share that while focusing on “what if muskets were still around today?” and how that related to the article, rather than relating it to gun control.

Regardless, the votes show that I shouldn’t have said it. My apologies, I’d remove it if I could.

tuggernutsMember since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  Bryz

You brought up a comedian’s joke that seemed relevant to a funny baseball post. I think you’re fine.

BryzMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  tuggernuts

Thanks.

kenai kings
8 years ago
Reply to  Bryz

no need. whether it’s the DH rule or guns you always risk offending and that tells us these are important topics to be discussed.

Eminor3rdMember since 2019
8 years ago

Because it’s a joke with the same premise.

beasterMember since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  Bryz

You Americans are off your rockers. Who needs a non-hunting rifle style gun in their house?

Pinstripe Wizard
8 years ago

What the heck do you have against mascots? Sure, some of them are stupid, but hating all mascots seems a bit drastic. The Phanatic is phantastic and I’m not a Phils phan.

MidnightOverlord
8 years ago

Omg, this is amazing. I couldn’t stop laughing when I read this – “I learned it might be a bad idea to tell Hunter Strickland you’ll help him move and then forget, because he sure won’t.”

nuthought
8 years ago

best line in a piece with a lot of good lines.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

If this is what we can expect from Meg Rowley I’m going to need to stop drinking water while reading Fangraphs. Damn near took out my nose.

BlueBloodedMember since 2017
8 years ago

Has Mike Trout ever been ejected?

Paul G.Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  BlueBlooded

According to Retrosheet, no.

He’s also played in 5 All-Star Games, in which he has put up video game type numbers, and all of 3 playoff games, in which he put up Neifi Perez on a bad day type numbers.

Matt1685
8 years ago

Sure, instead of ejecting, fining, and suspending them let them sit out an at bat and then come back…

HughesMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Matt1685

It’s probably more punitive in the case of coach’s temper tantrum.

Matt1685
8 years ago
Reply to  Hughes

I was being sarcastic… I thought it was ironic to try to use a sport that allows fighting to shame a sport that doesn’t allow fighting into being more genteel. I think we should get our heads out of our asses and stop trying to micromanage the lives of grown men. The pointing of fingers and whining is the most unbecoming part of the way it has come to be handled in baseball today. In fact, hockey’s way of handling the situation seems to be good, because there are clear and reasonable penalties for the decisions the players make.

I think it’s the fact that MLB put their thumb in the pie that has caused the problems. I think there are natural social mechanisms to address the issue. Social mechanisms that have been interfered with. I’m not convinced there was ever any problem at all on the field, it was only a matter of corporate image that caused MLB to interfere. I wouldn’t start watching gymnastics and then try to end crying, or girls being put in positions where they cry, in the sport. Let them play how they want.

Matt1685
8 years ago
Reply to  Matt1685

A statistician is someone who loves to work with numbers but doesn’t have the social skills to be an accountant.

tramps like us
8 years ago

Great stuff. I would have preferred the 11-year grudge Bob Gibson held against Pete Lacock, drilled him in an oldtimers game.

http://www.gammonsdaily.com/happy-birthday-pete-lacock-and-a-great-bob-gibson-story/

Bobby Ayala
8 years ago

#notgraphs

Chris KMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Ayala

NotGraphs is dead. Long live Notgraphs!

TapeyBeerconeMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Ayala

#KeepNotGraphs

BenZobrist4MVP
8 years ago

It would be interesting to see a couple at bats with only 8 men in the field. Has there ever been a situation in an MLB game where that has happened?

timprov
8 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

As a Twins fan, I can tell you that yes, every game that involved Delmon Young.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  timprov

I got curious about this. Here’s the worst defensive outfielders since 1980 per 150.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=1000&type=1&season=2017&month=0&season1=1980&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=24,a

Here they are split out by season:
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=750&type=1&season=2017&month=0&season1=1980&ind=1&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=25,a

What I learned:
1) The all time worst defensive outfielder season in the last 37 years is Brad Hawpe’s 2008. His 2007 and 2009 were nothing to write home about either.
2) Bernie Williams had some impossibly bad defensive seasons near the end of his career. Griffey, too, although not quite as bad.
3) Manny…oh, Manny…
4) Amazingly, Delmon Young doesn’t even make it to the first page on either list.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think you are a Red Sox fan. How can you forget Wily Mo Pena?

Momus
8 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

The Blue Jays tried playing without a LF for most of the last few seasons – does that count?

Glevin
8 years ago

Really, I think baseball only has to get serious about enforcing this to stop it. The absurdity of these suspensions, especially to pitchers, is what allows this to keep going. If you purposefully throw a ball at someone, you should be suspended for a lengthy period. You do that and players would think twice about it. I mean, Strickland threw a 98 MPH fastball that hit Harper. You are risking one of your best players and marketable stars becaus…why exactly? And throwing that 98 MPH fastball got Strickland 6 games which was probably 3 innings pitched or something.

Bryan O'ConnorMember since 2025
8 years ago

This is a wonderful read and I’m smiling and laughing and also convulsing at the thought of trying to adjust offensive records for plate appearances against 8- or even 7-man defenses.

bjkell
8 years ago

Entertaining article! I come to Fangraphs for the analytics, but this article was a fun surprise and deviation from the norm.

LHPSU
8 years ago

This would totally mess with stats so it would never happen, but I wonder what would happen if teams were penalized with outs for certain things that don’t really warrant ejection, like American football penalizes teams with yards and downs. For example, if the batter argues balls and strikes, the umpire has the discretion to call him out (or if it’s strike three, add an additional out to this inning or roll over to the next inning which will start with 1 out). If the catcher is the one arguing, the batting team gets an additional out to play with.

And that would be the ONLY thing the umpire is allowed to do to a player/manager arguing balls and strikes – he can do it again if the offending party persists, but he is not allowed to eject unless there is physical contact.

Pinstripe Wizard
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

I think your theory is correct, but then most every game would turn into an ump show. I can see Joe West now docking outs every time somebody gave him the side eye about a bad call.

TKDCMember since 2016
8 years ago

I know this article was meant in jest, but it actually would be nice if there was something in between “do nothing” and ejections.

Momus
8 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Totally agree. Especially when it comes to pitchers. There is almost zero downside to letting (or directing) a pitcher throw at an opposing hitter since even if he’s ejected you just put in a new pitcher, which managers do about 27 times a game these days anyway.

Mike NMN
8 years ago

Could be an innovative way to serve a PED suspension.

HughesMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

Show up and sit in the box for 81 games.

LHPSU
8 years ago
Reply to  Hughes

With or without the dunce hat?

GoatHerderMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Oversized goofy foam hat shaped as a syringe.

mattyjames1
8 years ago

Just by having a penalty box doesn’t mean you won’t still use a shoe…

https://goo.gl/TQ7PC7

Momus
8 years ago
Reply to  mattyjames1

Without checking I know this is going to be a link about Mike Millbury…
😀

rlatty1Member since 2024
8 years ago

Just go the basketball route- you’re tossed out of the game and suspended automatically for leaving the bench/dugout. This accomplished two things- the charade of players coming on to the field to yell at each other, and a batter is going to think long and hard before charging the mound with potentially no backup.

TKDCMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  rlatty1

Fights happen on the field in other scenarios. Preemptively putting the blame on the offensive player/team and then giving them the choice of either mass suspensions or having their teammate go one-on-nine is incredibly stupid.

You could, however, just say that only players in the game can come onto the field (and coaches), so you’d only have 9 players on each team out there, which would presumably be easier to manage. In reality, most fights involve only 1-2 people that want to actually fight.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

If the batter understands that his teammates won’t come on to the field supporting him, he may think twice before charging the mound…

Momus
8 years ago
Reply to  rlatty1

It’s a bit different in baseball since one team has 9 guys on the field and the other team has only one. In basketball and hockey both teams have the same number of players on the court/ice when an argument or fight breaks out.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I would be in favor of this! It would be fun to watch a player sit out as their teammates glared at him and the player stewed. Entertainment value would go way up, and I’m in favor of that.

A few thoughts:

1) If you’re going to throw someone out of a game because it was so egregious, you should probably not remove the team penalty too. For example, Barnes throwing at Machado’s head–it would seem fair to have the Red Sox play down a few innings without someone in the field, or the DH has to miss at-bats and get automatic outs (see below). See if anyone tells someone to intentionally bean a guy when the penalty is watching Boegarts try and play both short and third at the same time.

2) Playing a man down in the field would radically increase the value of multi-position players. You have a hothead on your team? You need someone to slide around to cover a different positions, or else you’re going to need to need a Dan Uggla-type to play shortstop someday.

3) Playing a “man down” for your next few at-bats would actually be a benefit to the team who employs Alcides Escobar or other terrible batters. It would also lead to some really wacky strategy for stars and scrubs teams. It would only be a negative if playing a “man down” meant an automatic out when that person’s time in the lineup came up. But that’s a really stiff penalty, perhaps too stiff for really arguing balls and strikes.

Barney Coolio
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Strikeouts would go way down as the value of making contact goes way up.

TapeyBeerconeMember since 2016
8 years ago

I love it!
And while we are adding rules from other sports how about:
Delay of Game – 5 yard penalty: The offending player shall play his position 5 yards from his typical spot as determined by the offended team.
That would stop Pedro Baez for good!

Joeys Bat FlipMember since 2025
8 years ago

This is one of the best things I’ve read in months. You’ve set the bar high, Meg, and I’m looking forward to what else you’re going to bring to the site and to the Hardball Times.

The best line: “removing a mascot’s muppety head and tossing it at children”.

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
8 years ago

“Do you know how you know you’re really brawling secondary to a brawl? When you knock an old man down because he isn’t steady on his feet”

After reading this, I looked at the GIF and kept my eyes on Balding Omar Vizquel before realizing he is not the old man who gets knocked down.

awy
8 years ago

uh the space occupied by this penalty and not by a simple ejection seems rather narrow.

timmer
8 years ago

OK, so this was hilarious but…

It’s also not a bad idea? Best part is when you’re a man down because your *pitcher* is in the Sin Bin and you’ve got to get through three hitters with Ryan Raburn or some such.

Defenestrater
8 years ago
Reply to  timmer

Shohei Ohtani’s value goes through the roof.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Defenestrater

Mitch Moreland too.

JoncarlosMember since 2017
8 years ago
Reply to  timmer

This is an interesting point. What happens to pitchers who commit penalties? In hockey, if a goalie gets a penalty, some other sucker serves it for him, so you don’t have to play a defenseman in goal.

bananas
8 years ago
Reply to  Meg Rowley

Not to mention the pitcher hurts his own cause because now his defense has a huge hole and his own ERA (and by proxy, future paycheck…) is going to suffer.

Edgar4HOF
8 years ago

If only the Mariners were at the same elite talent level that their writers (Cameron, Sullivan, marc W, Rowley, et. al) have.

Great first FG article, Meg!

And, personally, I’d pay a premium to sit in the seats directly behind baseball’s Sin Bin!

TKDCMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Edgar4HOF

FYI: You already pay a premium for those seats.

luke.shigeo
8 years ago

If a player/coach goes to the penalty box he should be allowed to tweet from there. Because Baseball Twitter is already the best Twitter.

patrickkraussMember since 2020
8 years ago

Great article, brilliant. After finishing the last paragraph, I propose we name this area the “Shame Frame”

MoodyJames
8 years ago

Man, I finished it. Jeezus, I wish some free agents would sign…f’ing Scott Boras…

Jon L.Member since 2016
8 years ago

This article was pretty realistic until the moment Mike Trout wound up in the Sin Bin. I’m pretty sure he’d be a regular contender for the Lady Byng.

Sonny LMember since 2017
8 years ago

Someone with the access please add ‘Sin Bin Doofus’ to Hunter Strickland’s nicknames on BREF

CheeseballMember since 2016
8 years ago

Great article! Injecting some fun into an otherwise blah offseason!

Ryan BrockMember since 2025
8 years ago

“whatever he’s doing, it’s not baseball anymore.” Marlins fans gonna be saying this one a lot this year…

jimcalMember since 2017
8 years ago

Are you kidding me? having the chance to talk to players that got put into the penalty box, the seats near penalty box just double its price.

Brian
8 years ago

Are you sure you’re not Canadian? A friend of Larry Walker?

fredsbankMember since 2020
8 years ago

Oh good, NotGraphs is back

BJames
8 years ago

Who is Anthony Recker? Never heard of him.

francis_soyer
8 years ago

Guesses as to which player pulls the first Tie Domi ?

I’ll start: Carlos Gomez

francis_soyer
8 years ago

What about 2 bases for a HBP with the bases empty, and 1 base with runners on, but they all advance a base.

Cavarretta
8 years ago

Reading this took a tiny bit of the sting out of losing Dave.

John Autin
8 years ago

Everybody doesn’t like something; but if you don’t like the Phanatic, I probably won’t find the rest of your column very funny.

kenai kings
8 years ago

Your reference to ice hockey is spot on in most regards. The penalty box for years has been called the sin bin. It’s location certainly contributes to the feeling of shame. Many times the offending player is even escorted by the official to the box. Across the ice from his teammates he/she sits; and watches the clock, and the play, hoping like hell their time in the box doesn’t cost the team. Brawls on the ice are a little overly played by the fans and media. There is a reason why players will say, “Ok, you want to dance?” as they drop gloves. It often is just about frustration… and few punches are thrown. A far cry from 98 mph fastballs headed for the nogin.

jondowd51
8 years ago

More articles from Meg Rowley, please

Momus
8 years ago

It may be in part because I’m also a hockey fan, but I LOVE this idea! This is something baseball should implement IMMEDIATELY. This would go a long long way to eliminating the bullshit of pitchers throwing at batters and other acts of retribution. Imagine a pitcher deciding it’s time for some payback and throwing a revenge pitch at or behind a hitter. Now imagine the ump telling his team they’re going to be playing the next 3 outs without their LF. That is a penalty that no team would be okay with.

The pitcher getting tossed? Pff. It’s nothing. They just put in another pitcher. But imagine if you can’t put someone in and you’re playing with only 8 players for the next 3 PA. Your SS decides to target the other team’s second baseman while sliding? Have fun playing without a SS when the other team comes to the plate.

Paul22
8 years ago

Gary Sanchez throwing sucker punches probably deserves mention.

Paul22
8 years ago

Maybe have police who are at the stadium arrest players who assault one another. Tasers permitted to stop fights. Plenty of guys I have wanted to sock but did not do so because of the legal consequences. Why do baseball players get a pass.

Now that said I love watching a brawl as well as the next guy. Watching the Big bad Bruins in the 70’s does that to you. But players are now so big and strong a lot more damage is done than in the days players were all skinny guys who rarely lifted weights

bananas
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul22

On the one hand, if the only thing stopping you from clocking someone is legal consequences, let’s not be friends.

On the other hand, where is the line for when a player would have legal standing to press charges against another player? is that part of the CBA? Presumably if a batter kills a guy with his bat there will be homicide charges, but what if he just roughs him up a bit? What if he just hits him once? What if the aggressor injures someone and costs them salary? Surely this is defined somewhere and I bet that language is pretty interesting.

timprov
8 years ago
Reply to  bananas

Hockey has had several lawsuits over this if you feel like doing the research. Short answer: it’s more complicated than you might think.

Momus
8 years ago

Your line about the manager walking away yelling, “AND I’LL SEE YOU AGAIN… SOON!” reminded me of a black comedian years ago talking about watching his first hockey game (because as SNL recently reminded us, hockey is a very white game). At one point he started talking about the penalties and he was marveling at the idea that you could beat the hell out of another guy and only get two minutes “in prison” for it. He continued that any… ahem… person let’s say… that ticked him off out there he’d beat them down and then tell them “…and in two minutes I’m going to kick your ass again!”

DookieHowserMD
8 years ago

“Your cousin throws mud at you. How big a deal is mud anyway?”

Depends on the spin rate of the mud.

kk808
8 years ago

I love baseball but I also love hockey. Love the idea. It is absolutely hilarious when a grown ass man has to sit in time-out. Not sure about you all but I find the occasional interactions between a penalized player and a fan hilarious (like the green men).

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tyke
8 years ago

I have read a lot of suggestions to improve the game on this site, ranging from pretty stupid to extremely good (to be fair: mostly good!), and this is easily and by far the very best idea I have ever read to improve the game. Genius! And a very funny and well-written article as well. Welcome, Meg!

Mike Green
8 years ago

Speaking of the past, baseball at its beginning was a big social thing with the “visitors” being entertained after a game. I wonder if that was also true of hockey- did the visitors ever go with the locals to the 19th century version of Tim Horton’s for Shrewsbury Cakes and Mackeroons after the game? Somehow I think that hockey was always nasty, and that they retreated after the game to a tavern for drinking and brawling.

HawkeyethelastMember since 2017
8 years ago

I am 100% in favor of Meg Rowley coming to fangraphs and I am 100% behind this proposal! I’ll be drafting form letters to my congress people demanding they federally mandate that baseball implement the sin bin. Reply if you’d like me to send you the text.