What if the Rockies Only Threw Knuckleballs?

On the first knuckleball thrown at Coors Field in 16 years, Matt Waldron hit home plate umpire Bill Miller right in the nuts.
Nobody — not Waldron, not his catcher Kyle Higashioka, not Miller — appeared to know where the ball was going. Despite Higashioka frequently (and understandably) struggling to track the flight of the ball throughout the rest of the night, Waldron delivered a career-best performance, allowing just one run over six innings.
Perhaps the most surprising part of his performance was the setting. Since 2008, knuckleballers have dodged outings at Coors Field, which sits 5,200 feet above sea level. Conventional wisdom dictates that knuckleballs at altitude are a bad idea, as Cy Young-winning knuckleballer R.A. Dickey told Dave Krieger back in 2012.
“It is tougher to throw at those high altitudes because there’s not much humidity for the ball to kind of resist against,” Dickey said. “At sea level, let’s say in New York, for instance, if I throw a mediocre knuckleball, well, it’s still going to move, it just might not move as sharply or as much. If I throw a mediocre knuckleball in Colorado, it’s going to be a BP fastball right down the middle that I’m going to have to either dodge, or I’m going to just put my glove up for the umpire to throw me another ball because that one just went 450 feet.”
After Waldron’s superb performance, I couldn’t help but question the conventional wisdom. Perhaps, if thrown well, the knuckleball works better at Coors than any other pitch. But is it possible to identify pitchers who can avoid throwing mediocre knuckleballs? And if it is, should the Rockies, notoriously incapable of putting together a quality pitching staff, simply build a rotation full of these knuckleballers?
The most likely answer to both of these questions is “no.” But in the course of my investigation, I discovered something strange: We know way less about the knuckleball than we thought.
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At Coors Field, every pitch moves less. Part of this is because there is less drag, or air resistance, on the ball; part of it is attributable to the reduction in the Magnus force at altitude. Utah State mechanical and aerospace engineering professor Barton Smith, famous for his work on seam-shifted wake effects, describes the Magnus effect as “the tendency of a spinning ball to move in the direction that the front of the ball is going.” A topspin curveball drops more than it would if only gravity was acting on the ball, while a backspin four-seamer drops less.
Because the Magnus effect is proportional to air density and the air density at altitude is lower, nasty pitches lose a bit of their bite at Coors Field. Therefore, one theory goes that the optimal Rockies pitcher wants to limit the spin-induced movement on their pitches.
Pitching analyst Lance Brozdowski discussed this in a recent post about Ryan Feltner, whose pitches all hover around zero inches of both horizontal and vertical movement. As Lance wrote, “This is the kind of pitcher the Rockies should roll out in every spot of their rotation. Velo, small shapes, average command.”

I had another idea: The Rockies should instead install knuckleballers in every rotation spot. My initial reasoning was that while knuckleballs may have the most total movement of any pitch type, they have the least total spin. The ideal knuckleball makes roughly one rotation during the flight of the ball. Thus, I reasoned, knuckleballs would be the least susceptible to Magnus effects of any given pitch type, and the movement profile would therefore change the least at altitude relative to “spinnier” pitch types.
Sadly, I was wrong. I emailed the baseball physicist Alan Nathan, who explained to me that no matter the pitch type, it will move at 82% of its sea level profile.
“All aerodynamic effects (drag, movement, etc.) are directly proportional to the air density,” Nathan wrote to me. “At otherwise comparable atmospheric conditions, the air density at Coors is about 82% of that at sea level. That means only 82% of the movement on any pitch due to aerodynamic effects, whether it is due to the spin or the seams (the latter is responsible for the knuckleball movement).”
Our limited data bears this out. On the plot below, it appears that the knuckleballs thrown at Coors moved about 80% as much as Waldron’s outlier sea-level knuckleballs:

But I still wasn’t totally satisfied. Even if knuckleballs are affected equally by air resistance factors, they will still have more absolute movement than any other pitch type at altitude — assuming the pitch is thrown with low spin. Waldron himself told reporters after this start that of the five pitches in his arsenal, he felt the knuckleball was the least affected movement-wise.
“I just feel like it stayed the same,” Waldron said.
If thrown well — and here “thrown well” is defined as maintaining a spin rate of roughly 100 rpm, or a single revolution during the ball’s flight — perhaps Waldron’s performance can be the model for the next great Rockies starter. The reduced movement due to altitude effects might even help with commanding the pitch; as Adam Ottavino said on a recent episode of Rates and Barrels, he felt more confident throwing his big bendy sweeper at Coors because the movement profile was more predictable.
“It was a little easier for me at Coors to throw strikes,” Ottavino said.
But how can the Rockies identify knuckleballers who are good at reliably producing low spin rates? This is where things start to get confusing. I tried to test this with Waldron, and the spin rates didn’t make much sense.
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For over a century, the knuckleball has been described as dancing, fluttering, zigzagging, or wobbling on its way to the plate, making slight detours in its path before landing in the catcher’s glove. This effect was first attributed to the flow of the air interacting with the asymmetrical surface of the baseball in the seminal 1975 Watts and Brown paper “Aerodynamics of a knuckleball.” In 2016, researchers in France identified other aerodynamic effects contributing to the wobble of a slowly spinning ball. (The details are over my head, but the important note is that it isn’t just the seams; other sports balls also experience knuckling effects.)
In 2011, Alan Nathan obtained the raw tracking data from four separate games started by Dickey and Tim Wakefield. Using data that captured the coordinates of the knuckleball at roughly 20 discrete points in space, he calculated that the amount of deviation in the flight path of a knuckleball is small; the maximum wobble, he found, is something like 1.3 centimeters, or about a sixth of the diameter of the ball.
The knuckleball wobbles the most — and is therefore the most unpredictable — when it spins as little as possible. As Aguirre-Lopez et al. wrote in their 2017 paper “A phenomenological model for the aerodynamics of the knuckleball,” “If the ball spins at a frequency low enough (< 50 rpm) to remain as a non-rotating ball, the lift force will be changing over time and a more erratic trajectory will be produced.”
If low frequency spin leads to a “more erratic trajectory,” that would suggest the Rockies want to identify pitchers who can repeatedly throw low-spinning knuckleballs. But there is a major impediment to performing this analysis: The erratic trajectory makes it difficult to reliably capture how much a knuckleball spins.
The first hint that our understanding of knuckleball spin might be askew came from a paper published earlier this year titled “Discrepancies between reported knuckleball spin rates and dynamics” from Aaron Hoskins, a professor of mechanical engineering at Fresno State. Hoskins analyzed “the accuracy of the pitches labeled as knuckleballs” for the first time in the Statcast era and found that the recorded spin rates were “inconsistent with the equations of motion for a knuckleball.” Hoskins had some theories for the discrepancy, but no concrete answers. So I went straight to the source.
I emailed Tom Tango, Major League Baseball’s Senior Data Architect, asking for any help he could provide. He copied Clay Nunnally, a data scientist at MLB, who provided some extremely useful information.
“Hawk-Eye takes a bunch of discrete images of the seams on the ball, then it tries to find a spin solution that best matches the seam set,” Nunnally wrote. “However, in theory, a ball with zero spin looks just like a ball with 3000 rpm spin where the ball rotates back to its original (looking) position in between images. There are ways to break the spin ambiguity, but they don’t always work.”
This “spin ambiguity” is attributable to the number of discrete images that Hawk-Eye uses to match the seam set. The exact number of images is somewhat unclear. In a presentation at the 2020 SABR Analytics Conference, Nunnally said that Hawk-Eye uses “about 20” frames; in a follow-up email, he told me that it is now “more than 30” but declined to specify further.
Regardless of the exact number of frames, the “spin ambiguity” exists. Let’s assume that Hawk-Eye currently trains its algorithm on 40 discrete frames, or an image every 13.5 milliseconds during the flight of the average Matt Waldron knuckleball. In knuckleball time, 13.5 milliseconds might as well be an eternity. If we don’t have a true sense of the full flight of a knuckleball, then how much do we really know about the pitch’s movement properties? Could the pitch even be wobbling more than the Nathan study suggests?
“More data in any problem helps you,” Hoskins, the Fresno State professor, told me. “There’s a chance we’re not capturing all the wobble. We’re definitely having issues with the spin.”
What’s curious is that Hawk-Eye might have some answers. Their most sophisticated cameras are capable of taking images at 300 frames per second, or an image roughly every three milliseconds. With an average Waldron knuckleball moving at 77 mph, that would imply that Hawk-Eye cameras can take close to 150 discrete images of the ball in flight. With nearly five times as many images, we’d surely have more clarity.
When I asked Nunnally why Hawk-Eye uses fewer frames for the spin solution, he told me that “in general, there are some logistical reasons to use less data as opposed to the max amount possible, in some applications.” Left to speculate about those reasons, one could imagine that the explanation is straightforward: The vast majority of pitches maintain a consistent spin axis and therefore do not require hundreds of frames to find a spin solution. Prior to Waldron’s debut last season, there had only been 57 knuckleballs thrown by actual knuckleballers (i.e. not position players) since the beginning of the Hawk-Eye and Statcast partnership. The knuckleball spin rate concern — in so far as it actually is a concern — is a relatively new one.
For now, the knuckleball remains a mystery, something unknowable at the heart of a sport that can otherwise quantify basically everything. Given all that, who’s to say if the Rockies should only throw knuckleballs?
Michael Rosen is a transportation researcher and the author of pitchplots.substack.com. He can be found on Twitter at @bymichaelrosen.
I want to bring back the knuckleballer, and this is the perfect time because the rate of standard-issue pitchers needing TJ is at an all time high. We’re dipping deep into the pool of pitchers who throw normal pitches, to the point that a lot of teams are going to wind up with pitchers who would normally be considered “below replacement.” Teams will need innings-eaters, and who is better at eating innings than a knuckleballer?
Maybe you won’t get a new RA Dickey or Tom Candiotti–those guys were unusually good (Dickey for a brief stretch, Candiotti for a longer time). But do we really think that there aren’t guys out there capable of becoming the next Steve Sparks? Or Charlie Hough? Or Tim Wakefield?
Agreed. That’s the thing with innings-eaters. You absolutely don’t have to have a high ceiling with them. An average 4th or 5th starter capable of a perennial 180-200 IP and minimal injury risk would be a gigantic relief for every team in MLB. Waldron is a bit of an outlier because his knuckleball is more of an out-pitch secondary rather than a primary pitch the way it is for most knuckleballers, but he’s still likely to be more durable than the average pitcher.
It’s not necessarily that simple (long-term MLB players are, without exception, the 1% of the 1% of athletes worldwide), but it’s definitely an idea that pretty much every team should at least look at.
Waldron throws it 40% of the time, as much or more than any other pitch.
Ah, thanks for the correction. I still had it in mind where he threw it 29% of the time last season compared to 44% fastballs.
Gee, you make it sound so easy.
It’s very hard. But so is throwing a breaking ball with 3000 RPM. It’s just a different kind of hard.
As someone who used to pitch I would argue that its actually ALOT harder to throw a knuckleball. I could (and have) teach someone to throw a decent breaking ball in an afternoon. Trying to learn a knuckleball though is so insanely difficult. And its even harder to do it consistently. Seeing someone like Wakefield throw 100 knuckleballs and not screw up even one is just mind blowing. You have no idea.
Which is also why not many people throw it. the ratio of difficulty to effectiveness is way out of wack. Its just not worth it.
The difficulty is why (IIRC) a lot of knuckleballers were basically failed pitchers who take up the knuckler as a last resort. It’s not worth learning the pitch until you’re going to wash out otherwise.
I always wonder why teams don’t take guys that are getting ready to wash out & try to teach them the knuckleball. you know, the 25-26 year old guy that is struggling at AA/AAA & looking at the end of the MLB dream.
They have nothing to lose & really neither does the team except for time & $$..but, if you hit on 1 pitcher, it would pay off in a huge way.
David Fletcher’s knuckleball was looking pretty sick in the MILB (and having good results with it) as a sort of throwback to the slower knuckleballs of yesteryear, until, umm, something happened.
Bro… fantastic article…
Agreed. What I loved about your article is that it described a deep dive down the rabbit hole with you reaching out to natural scientists and engineers. I’m particularly pleased to see that it elicited lots of discussion in the community.
I’ve been discussing for years the types of pitchers that could succeed in Coors, and the knuckleball idea is actually a fascinating one. True, it won’t get as much movement as anywhere else, but like Ottavino said, excess movement can actually become a problem. It may actually be better for a knuckleballer’s control to throw at Coors, much as it may be for guys who have hellacious pitch movement but minimal command because of said movement.
In regards to Dickey, him being a thrower of the “fast” knuckleball may actually have negatively affected his performance in Coors. Iirc, the “fast” knuckler moves less than a traditional knuckleball and has somewhat greater spin (relatively speaking), so that may have backfired on him in the unfriendly confines.
So they should find the pitchers who have terrible control because their pitches move too much. This actually sounds workable. Patrick Corbin might actually make sense. Spencer Arrighetti is another one.
Theoretically, yeah. Jose Cuas is the only other guy I can think of off the top of my head; his sweeper is ridiculous but he can’t locate worth a damn. Though in his case, I think that’s partly mechanical. He has a nasty habit of letting his landing foot down early.
I feel like some of this is a solvable problem. Just study it. In the offseason. Get a knuckleballer and have him pitch in front of cameras that DO capture the maximum number of images. Hell, bury a chip in the baseball that can measure the spin as it moves through the air. You can’t tell me that Driveline or one of the other pitching labs out there isn’t equipped to do this.
Measuring it is simple. Learning how to throw it in competitive games isn’t, otherwise there would be more than a handful of knuckleballers this century.
This. This is why there’s a handful of reliable aces in the league. Just because you can break down how they do what they do doesn’t mean they can replicate it. Particularly when every pitcher’s body is different making simply copying mechanics across pitchers almost impossible.
I think the “some of this” that the GP is referring to is the understanding of how a knuckleball moves, not how to generate more knuckleballers.
Its also a matter of risk. all things being equal a guy throwing 102 has alot more room for error than a guy throwing 90. A high spin slider has alot more room for error than a mediocre curve. etc etc.
Knuckleballers have the smallest margin for error out of anyone. As Dickey said, Its either a knuckleball or its a BP fastball. With MLB teams becoming more and more understandably risk averse, its not surprising that knuckleballers have almost become extinct.
Why are teams risk averse when pitchers are increasingly disposable? One would think they’d want to increase the options for the 14th pitcher, to avoid having to use Patrick Corbin and Dakota Hudson.
Its probably a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. knuckleballers are seen as risky so teams dont want them, so no one wants to be a knuckleballer which means the only guys who become knuckleballers are guys with no other option which means they are risky.
lets be real. If you can pitch at all you arent bothering with a knuckleball because there are a dozen better pitches you can throw. Teeanage Jacob deGrom could probably have learned to throw a really good knuckleball because he is just crazy talented. But there is zero reason for him to learn a knuckleball.
how the ball moves in a lab setting and how the ball moves in game conditions are two different questions!
They are! The lab settings are the control, as it were, and a few days of measurements in Coors (or wherever) should be do-able as a comparison.
But just as a century of lab measurements has informed engineers in creating highly reliable airplanes, measurements in a controlled environment can assist those who wish to execute the events on the field.
Delightful article. Thank you!
For now, the knuckleball remains a mystery, something unknowable at the heart of a sport that can otherwise quantify basically everything. Given all that, who’s to say if the Rockies should only throw knuckleballs?
These two sentences DO get to the core of the Rockies pitching issue (and their road batting issue as well). It’s not ‘knuckleball’ though. It is ‘something unknowable’ in a sport that quantifies everything. Altitude is, basically, a mystery. In quantifiable, statistical terms – a two σ outlier. That is Coors. The only team that should (will) try to enlighten itself re the issues of playing at Coors/altitude is the Rockies (or the Mexican League). And even then, the Rockies should not fixate on Coors because they only play half their games there. Vs say the Mexican League where half the stadiums are at roughly mile high altitude. The perpetual Rockies issue is how to field two different teams. They can win at Coors (most years). They can’t win at their non-altitude games and the knuckleball will not help there.
Coors is the Spanish Inquisition (as understood by Monty Python). The three things that work there are – fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice uniforms. Does the knuckleball involve surprise and fear? Well maybe. So does a submarine delivery. So do a lot of things that, in particular, are NOT domesticated through quantification.
Cardinal Fang – read the charges.
Sabermetrically inclined people have been saying for years that the Rox need to experiment with home/road platoons rather than left/right.
As to pitching specifically, if you can’t use movement you’re left with velocity, either guys who throw really hard or guys who effectively change speeds.
That said, even the best have scuffled there. Maddux had a career 4.57 ERA in 108.3 IP in Denver (both Mile High and Coors). Kershaw has a 4.64 ERA in 161 IP at Coors.
Coors is undefeated
I think what ‘works’ for pitching at Coors is deception or something else mental. That’s not affected by altitude at all. Nor is it quantifiable afaik. And it kinda fits the Monty Python metaphor. A funky delivery/timing, rare pitches, pitch selection/command. The home-road platoon can imo work for pitching because it keeps Coors data/pitching in its own box (where no one else, including division rivals, cares) and road data/pitching can be analyzed/developed like everyone else.
I agree that good velocity/stuff pitchers will regress to a Coors mean at Coors. That is an inevitable consequence of altitude and is a motivation problem for the Rockies (and again home/road platoon can help with the fix).
Ultimately Coors is not a monstrous ogre that can only kill pitchers. In every game, someone wins and someone else loses. Just gotta change the relevant metrics. Maddux (11-3) and Kershaw (12-8) both had winning records at Coors. Not bad pitchers. But it is safe to say that had they been Rockies they would have won zero Cy Youngs combined and would have desperately tried to get out. Two other pitchers – Ubaldo Jimenez (30-19 and 3.67) and Jorge de la Rosa (53-20 and 4.38) – had different Coors metrics and zero Cy Youngs combined.
Unfortunately even mediocre velocity/stuff pitchers, e.g. Denny Neagle and Mike Hampton — didn’t regress to the mean. They just became terrible.
Long-term contracts, both signed within a week or so of the other, to mid/late career pitchers who’ve never pitched at altitude – going into pre-humidor Coors – is not a serious saber argument. Esp when you drill down and find it was their road results not their Coors results that were the disaster for those contracts. And at the same time, there was a mediocre rookie pitcher (Jason Jennings) who outperformed them both – the same at Coors and 2-3 full ERA points away).
The teaching moment there is not about Coors. It’s – don’t sign big long-term contracts to mid/late pitchers while pretending that Coors is not even a thing.
Pretty sure Maddux pitched there pre-humidor.
This is how a 61 year old Jose Canseco can make his triumphant return to MLB leading the Rockies to their first World Series title. Geriatrics from all walks of life will follow suit – accountants, plumbers, Keith Richards, Michelle Pfeiffer…
I always thought the Rockies solution would be:
Pitchers who keep the ball low and force grounders, ideally for cheap or reasonably affective at strike outs through change of speed. Absolutely no fly balls.
And assemble a stellar defensive team full of fly ball hitters who don’t strike out. (Nolan Arenado was the perfect ideal).
In outfield, get the quickest, fastest guys with the best jump and strong arms.
Although, jfree has a point in that winning their home games is not their biggest problem. Their biggest problem is how to win more games on the road with the Coors Hangover Effect, for which we’ve found no good answers even in theory.
I think the road bats problem is a pretty simple development one. Over the last 10 years or so – solely using away data – COL has the highest K% and the fourth lowest BB% of all teams. That is bad habits developed from a home field where those two batting outcomes are the most irrelevant to a game outcome when all pitches are meatballs. Those bad habits become more obvious the longer a player remains a Rockie.
They could easily contract batting cages in road cities to get an eye for ‘normal’ pitch movement back.
The ‘road wins’ problem is also a pitching problem – which is addressed imo by home-road platooning. Pitching for Coors turns great pitchers into mediocre one, mediocre ones into fearful mediocre ones, creates a ‘type’ that is very scoutable by oppos, ensures the COL pitchers on the road will have low K%, high BB%, lowest K-BB%, and high WHIP/ERA/FIP/xFIP. It also eliminates the ability to ‘highlight’ a pitcher for trade value other than ‘let’s just break them’, and eliminates all FA and pillow contract pitchers.
They did try Juan Pierre, Tom Goodwin and Eric Young as OF but their offense suffered badly, while the OF was so big that even these guys couldn’t cover it. If they could just stick to Arenado, Tulowitzki, Walker, Helton and Holliday/Gonzalez they’d be fine. Unfortunately the rest of the team has to perform both home and road.
I think most teams would do pretty well if they could just always have the half-dozen best hitters in their franchise history!
*this is Andres Galarraga erasure
If you think about it, these qualities are at least not “gimmicky” that would only work at home. I think a ground-ball pitching and strong defense team can work at home AND on the road, but would just have more of an advantage at home. So if you concentrate on these attributes that can get you to a .600 home win % (I know that’s not easy, but if you have a competitive advantage based on those skill sets, it may be doable), and even if you are .500 on the road, then you can be in the conversation as a playoff team. That’s far better than what they are most years doing what they’ve been doing.
This is the type of article that got me reading FG way way back when. Great stuff.
This is all well and good for Rockies pitchers, but won’t someone please think of the catchers?!
Re: the ottavino example. I wonder if Justin Lawrence also like how his extremely bendy pitches perform in Coors more.
If so, I imagine Rockies should really be focusing on SP types who are soft-tossers with lots of movement who sometimes struggle to command these types of pitches. These types of SP are often cheap – look at Cooper Criswell.
What often helps these types of pitchers is aiming for a single target or middle of the plate. Rockies, being so far behind on all things, likely aren’t advising this type of Rays-ian approach.
Sick change ups and forkballs are what the Rockies should be after in starting pitchers.