What’s Next for the Cincinnati Reds?

While the book isn’t completely shut on the 2024 Cincinnati Reds, with a 0.3% projected chance of making the postseason entering this week, only a plot twist out of left field could change the story. At 82-80, the 2023 Reds weren’t exactly good, but after entering the season with a bleak outlook, they comfortably beat most expectations. Given that their improvements last year largely came from their young talent rather than short-term signings, it wasn’t unreasonable back in March to believe this team could contend for a postseason berth. Five months later, as the Reds look more likely to play the role of spoiler in September than make it to October, now seems like a fine time to consider where they should go from here.
The first step would be to ask ourselves what were the reasonable expectations for the Reds in 2024. The ZiPS projections gave them an 80-82 record, but with enough uncertainty that if things broke their way, they could make a playoff push (35.1% odds). One man’s digital monstrosity isn’t the only fair outlook, of course, but our depth charts and Baseball Prospectus both had Cincinnati in a similar position, at 79 wins.
Right now, our depth charts and ZiPS have the Reds finishing with a 77-85 record, a disappointing result, but not exactly a massive miss relative to the projections above. If we’re going to figure out where the Reds go from here, we first have to understand how they got to this point, and that means looking back at the lessons they drew from their 82 wins last year.
Based on their offseason moves, it appears the organization decided – no doubt some unknown combination of ownership and the front office – that the general approach was to stay the course with their young talent and make mid-tier free agent signings to fill the team’s most pressing holes. The Reds made no significant trades over the winter, unless you count sending pitcher Daniel Duarte to the Rangers for cash in January after designating him for assignment as significant. It wasn’t until nearly Opening Day that the team made a move that would have an actual effect on the roster, picking up Santiago Espinal from the Blue Jays in the aftermath of the Noelvi Marte suspension.
Excluding the Espinal trade, the players signed in free agency made up the entirety of the external improvements from 2023 to 2024. Suffice it to say, I was not a fan of the specific signings they made. To sum up my general feelings at the time, I thought Jeimer Candelario was the right player for the wrong team. It doesn’t make much sense for a team overloaded with third basemen to sign a player who is most valuable as a third baseman and then make him a mediocre first baseman. On the pitching side, Emilio Pagán was a disaster waiting to happen, and $13 million was a lot to give Nick Martinez. Other pitcher signings made more sense: Brent Suter was a good addition and Frankie Montas was a reasonable gamble. The signings didn’t go exactly as I expected – some were worse, some were better – but they certainly didn’t do much to improve the club.
| Player | Projected Depth Chart WAR | 2024 WAR | Depth Chart Final 2024 WAR | Contract AAV |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jeimer Candelario | 1.9 | -0.3 | -0.2 | $15.0M |
| Nick Martinez | 1.8 | 2.2 | 2.8 | $13.0M |
| Brent Suter | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.2 | $3.0M |
| Emilio Pagán | 0.5 | 0.3 | 0.4 | $8.0M |
| Buck Farmer | 0.1 | 0.4 | 0.4 | $2.3M |
| Luke Maile | 0.6 | -0.5 | -0.5 | $3.5M |
| Austin Wynns | 0.0 | 0.4 | 0.4 | $900K |
| Frankie Montas | 2.1 | 0.8 | 0.8 | $16.0M |
| Justin Wilson | 0.1 | 0.8 | 0.8 | $1.5M |
| TOTAL | 7.3 | 4.3 | 5.1 | $63.2M |
As a group, the free agents have performed a bit worse than projected, but not alarmingly so. By the end of the year, we project these nine free agents to be worth 5.1 WAR to the Reds, compared to the 7.3 WAR that was predicted. Two wins would not have salvaged Cincinnati’s season.
Injuries to some of the young talent has certainly hindered the Reds. Matt McLain, who made a convincing case for being one of the team’s foundational talents last year, injured his shoulder in the spring and has yet to play for Cincinnati this season. Christian Encarnacion-Strand didn’t get the chance to make up for his cold start because he underwent season-ending surgery in July after fracturing his right wrist in May, and while it’s not an injury, the team went without Marte for 80 games after he was suspended for performance-enhancing drugs.
However, the Reds also got some impressive breakouts on the flip side to compensate. For as exciting as they are, Elly De La Cruz and Hunter Greene weren’t expected to be in this year’s MVP and Cy Young races, though that’s where they stand in late August.
Moreover, injuries alone didn’t stop Cincinnati in its tracks. I ran the numbers on time lost to injuries two weeks ago, and the Reds ranked 11th out of 30 teams in potential value lost to injury, at 6.46 wins, right in line with the mean (6.5 wins) and a half-win more than median (six wins).
That leaves us with the conclusion that the Reds didn’t struggle this season because they were unlucky; rather, they did so because they were a roughly .500 team in terms of talent and didn’t get lucky. The path forward, then, is for ownership and the front office to recognize this so they can work to improve the team in the offseason instead of staying the course again and hoping for better results.
One part of this year’s plan — relying on the young talent — was justified and is worth doing again next season, as long as the Reds reinforce their core with more impactful veterans. Looking at the projections for 2025 now versus where they were six months ago, the Reds have lost a few wins, but their foundation is still quite solid.
| Player | 2025 ZiPS WAR | Preseason 2025 Projection |
|---|---|---|
| Elly De La Cruz | 5.1 | 2.8 |
| Hunter Greene | 3.4 | 2.2 |
| Matt McLain | 3.1 | 3.6 |
| Andrew Abbott | 2.6 | 2.2 |
| Spencer Steer | 2.6 | 2.0 |
| Graham Ashcraft | 1.5 | 1.5 |
| Christian Encarnacion-Strand | 0.9 | 1.8 |
| Will Benson | 0.9 | 1.4 |
| Brandon Williamson | 0.8 | 1.4 |
| Blake Dunn | 0.8 | 1.4 |
| Edwin Arroyo | 0.7 | 1.3 |
| Chase Petty | 0.6 | 1.0 |
| Jacob Hurtubise | 0.5 | 0.4 |
| Lyon Richardson | 0.4 | 0.8 |
| Connor Phillips | 0.3 | 1.2 |
| Noelvi Marte | 0.2 | 1.6 |
| Christian Roa | 0.2 | 0.7 |
| Michael Trautwein | 0.2 | 0.1 |
| Rece Hinds | -0.1 | -0.2 |
| Yosver Zulueta | -0.2 | 0.1 |
| Total | 24.4 | 27.4 |
(Rhett Lowder is not included here because he didn’t get a preseason ZiPS projection this year for 2025, so there would be nothing to compare with his current projection for next season.)
When I run some very preliminary projections for the NL Central in 2025, based on players who are under team control for next season, the division looks a lot like it did in this year’s the preseason projections, with all five teams roughly clustered around the .500 mark. That indicates that, with the right moves, the Reds could boost their playoff odds considerably this offseason.
Their plan to paper over holes this season by moving third basemen around has not been successful: The team ranks 25th in outfield WAR and 28th both in first base WAR and designated hitter WAR. Upgrading those positions with players who actually play them would go a long way toward turning things around. The rotation hasn’t been bad this season, but it is not good enough as it’s currently constructed.
It’s worth mentioning that the Reds did spend money on their roster entering this season, but they just didn’t do so effectively. Signing mid-tier free agents again this offseason won’t remedy the team’s woes. Yes, ownership almost certainly would balk at the idea of giving Juan Soto a blank check to play for Cincinnati, but it would be even more preposterous to spend the same amount to sign six players who are slightly above replacement level, which is kind of what the Reds did last winter.
Looking ahead, even though the upcoming class of free agents isn’t particularly deep, Cincinnati’s front office needs to strike the right balance of quality and quantity. Corbin Burnes is one of the best players available, and the Reds should make a serious push to sign him. Blake Snell has been on such a roll after his rough start to this season that it seems nearly certain that he will opt out of his Giants contract. The Braves have yet to extend Max Fried, so he seems bound for free agency, too. And while they might fall short, why shouldn’t the Reds go after Roki Sasaki if he gets posted this winter? After all, they made a bid to land Shohei Ohtani back when he was coming over from Japan.
On the offensive side, Anthony Santander would give the Reds the legitimate middle-of-the-order bat in the outfield that they currently lack, as would Tyler O’Neill and Teoscar Hernández
We currently have the Reds with a guaranteed payroll of just under $50 million for 2025, though that’s not including arbitration awards. They certainly have the ability to go after players who would make a real difference and still have a payroll well below that of the average team. A repeat of last winter’s approach would be a disaster; more of the same will likely lead to more of the same. The Reds quite possibly have more upside than any other team in the NL Central, but the time’s come for them to pick a direction rather than treading water.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Jordan Montgomery is a reasonable target. There really is no reason the Reds can’t compete year in and year out like the Cardinals do.
They’ve outscored the opposition. They’re not bad
But is he a good pitcher?
Given that his poor season likely means he’ll exercise his contract option with ARI, CIN would have to trade for him. Now, maybe ARI wants to get out from under that deal and he could be had for a discount. But … that had better one hell of a discount. CIN is not a place I would aim to bring in pitchers with very visible skills deterioration in order to try and fix them.
If they’re not willing to pay top dollar for Corbin Burnes or Luis Castillo they better be able to resuscitate flagging careers
Hard to fix a pitcher’s flagging career in that bandbox. Single highest park factor for HR from 2022-24, fifth highest overall
Maybe the Reds are just not good at fixing pitchers? For example, Frankie Montas xFIP is down over a run per game since moving to the Brewers. He has moved away from the slider and splitter in MIL and is reaping the rewards.
I think Montgomery’s negative value has been overstated a bit. The going rate on bounceback starters last year in free agency was probably about $15M. So his contract in 2025 will be something like $7M or $8M underwater?
But I also don’t think the Reds are terribly excited about trading for trading for Montgomery. They like pitchers with “stuff” and have for quite some time, and as good as Montgomery has been in his career that’s not him.
I think any trade involving Montgomery is going to be a change-of-scenery challenge trade. Like, Mitch Garver and a prospect for Jordan Montgomery.
Montgomery for Adolis Garcia?
Actually if the Diamondbacks aren’t saving much money they might just keep Montgomery.
There’s no chance in hell Monty opts out after the season he’s had.
One argument against targeting Montgomery is that it seems unlikely the Reds would want 3/5 of their starting rotation to be lefties.
I did lobby for going after him last year despite that…
“What’s next for the Cincinnati Reds?”
Statistically speaking? At least five to ten more years of complete mediocrity.
“Where you gonna go?” – Phil Castellini
If the future of the Reds comes down to the imagination, tenacity, and commitment of ownership and the front office, it’s a bleak outlook indeed for the Reds and their fans.
Unfortunately this is the correct answer. The Reds do not have a great front office–it’s probably below average. But it’s not like White Sox / Rockies bad or anything. They should be able to luck into the wild card race once in a while. But ownership just doesn’t care about winning, so it’s hard to see them making a real commitment at any point to get them there.
It’s not like they didn’t sign any FA. It’s not that they’re uninterested in winning. They’re just not good at it.
The FO did develop de la Cruz, McLain and Brown. They may not be good but they aren’t terrible either
The Rockies occasionally find a nut and develop players too, but that’s not going to build a playoff team.
I don’t think the FO, Krall specifically, is bad at all. They draft competently and oversee a solid player development operation. It’s hard to know what they’d do under different ownership, but draft and development is the logical risk/reward proposition when your owner(s) won’t shell out for FAs.
I was clamoring for picking up Soto before the Yankees traded for him last year. Of course I knew it was futile because Reds are gonna Reds (e.g. waste precious few resources on mid-tier-if-were-lucky types) and wouldn’t commit that big a chunk of payroll to him for the next decade. But, man, he was the precise need this team needed coming into the season. I guess we’ll just look forward to RF Spencer Steer / Jonathan India / Noelvi Marte…
They probably would have had to include Green in the deal. I’m not sure that’s worth it for one year.
Ha, the Reds have been doing this for something like 7-10 years now. Nick Senzel, Eugenio Suarez, Mike Moustakas, Jonathan India, Spencer Steer…although Steer probably can’t play any position. I’m probably forgetting someone too, they seem to think that third basemen can play anywhere.
Funny enough, the one guy they’ve kept there is Noelvi Marte, and his current tally of errors is 9 in 40 games. Maybe Sal Stewart or Cam Collier will work out…
Don’t the 9 errors and -7 OAA in 40-some games just mean that they’ll move Marte to the middle of the diamond soon?
They’re not usually that foolish. Although who knows, things move really fast at third base. There are definitely some players who do better at second base rather than third because it’s (slightly) further away from the action.
The bigger concern is that he’s not hitting. If he hit like he did last year–even to his xwOBA rather than actual results–they could maybe justify sticking him an outfield corner. But he’s not going to stick around in any capacity if he can’t hit close to a league-average level. The defense has never been his main selling point.
I think people are underrating how long it has taken Marte to get up to speed after his suspension. Visually he has been showing much better defense the last few weeks, which is how he finished 2023. He comes in on the ball well and throws from multiple platforms with arm strength and accuracy.
If he can stay on the field he should prove to be a capable 3B in a couple of years. I’m a believer in the bat long term as well. His swing just hasn’t really loosened up this year and he’s been more chase-prone than usual. He needs to keep plugging, watch what he puts in his body and come back ready in the spring.
At least Suarez had a few decent years. 12 fWAR between 2017-19.
& he was actually a converted SS. 177 of his 1st 180 starts in MLB were at SS. & they did that move right, stole him from Detroit before 2015 for 35 year old, 300+ lb Alfredo “Sauce” Simon.
Yeah by the end of that season in Detroit he clearly didn’t give a flip and was basically throwing batting practice for 4-5 innings every 5 days. Horrible trade (for Detroit).
We’re witnessing the unfortunate downside of having a good system, as the Reds did circa late 2022, and being cheap, as they always are. “We have a bunch of people coming. Let’s not block them.” Then, when Marte decides to take drugs and Williamson wrecks his shoulder and Allan Cerda turns out to be Allan Cerda, you’re hosed.
Honestly, this team is probably still in prospect acquisition mode. But not for much longer. Lowder and Burns should move fast which would give them a Greene / Lodolo / Lowder / Burns rotation for 2026-2029. Arroyo should be up soon, McLain will hopefully be healthy. EDLC and Greene’s contracts both run through 2029. It’s an interesting group.
I’d probably see if anyone wanted to trade for Tyler Stephenson or Jonathan India this offseason since they’ve both played well this year, but starting in 2026 I think they’re ready to be buyers.
They don’t have that one great development strength that small revenue teams need, like the Guardians with starting pitchers, Brewers with relievers and whatever secret the Rays have. They need an overriding strategy
The Brewers have good SP dev and the Guardians have good RP dev too. In terms of general pitching dev, they’re both well ahead of most teams.
The Rays’ secret is that they are great at identifying players with one or two standout traits and then coaching them lean on those traits relentlessly. Arozarena’s hard contact rates and plus speed, Lowe’s barrel rates and refual to chase bad pitches, Paredes and his contact quality to the pull side, Zach Littel’s backspinning fastball and general spin effeciency, the way they get relievers with one good pitch to throw it ad infinitum, ect. Almost all of those guys don’t stand out outside of their one or two tools, but they use them ruthlessly.
The Rays thing sounds like it’s possible for anyone to attempt. They have something separating them from the herd. Maybe it’s just keep doing it no matter the outcome until it works.
That and they don’t seem to lean on any one development specialty. They find what a guy is good at and then push that button until it breaks. Doesn’t matter what it is. They’re no worse than average in coaching any specific tendency or idea. Most teams have blind spots in that regard, but the Rays don’t.
They’re not great or anything, but they’re not that bad either. They’ve had the benefit of having a ton of high draft picks but a lot of teams have that with much worse success rates. De La Cruz, McLain, Stephenson, India, Steer, Greene, Lodolo, and Abbott are all 2-win players or likely to get there and some look like stars.
A lot of teams can’t say they’ve drafted and developed 5 players to be average starting pitchers / position players, much less 8. The Brewers only have four players on the present roster they can take full credit for developing and are 2-win players: Chourio, Turang, Frelick, and Peralta. For the Guardians, it’s Ramirez, Kwan, Bieber, Bibee, Bo Naylor, and Cade Smith. But both of them are way better at getting players that made their way through other teams’ development systems and often making them better at the big league level. The Reds basically only have those eight 2-win players right now at the big league level. The Brewers and Guardians definitely have more than that.
If they sign de la Cruz to some giant deal it would be a good sign.
I would actually focus on an extension for Lodolo.
Interesting comment regarding Lodolo. You think he’s on the verge of going to another level?
I’d like to see more delivery consistency but when he’s locked in he’s pretty dominant. But when he fatigues either in inning or from previous workload it can get ugly.
I thought they should’ve signed him buy low before the season started since they signed Greene then too-his price must’ve gone up ~$50-$100M
If they had signed him before the year it would be kind of like Freddy Peralta’s deal. Now it will probably be more like Greene’s.
They could certainly do Elly AND Lodolo. The former is far more important.
Lodolo has a 7.38 ERA over the past two months, and he’s creeping up towards 5.00 on the year. His peripherals aren’t nearly that bad, but they’re still nothing to write home about. The jury is very much still out on whether he’s actually a good pitcher.
They should be focused on locking up Elly while they can still afford him.
I’ve been thinking a lot about how almost or all of the NL Central teams look like this, and quite a few others.
We need to see how Lowder (tomorrow!) and Burns pan out, but Greene, Lodolo and Abbott all indicate a strength in drafting and developing pitching. As a PT CLE fan I’m not inclined to give the Guardians some decisive edge. All of Logan Allen, Gavin Williams and Triston McKenzie have been inconsistent, and even Bibee has shown limitations. It wouldn’t surprise me if CIN had a commensurate homegrown rotation in a couple of years.
If anything, I cotton more to CLE’s type of hitter, and would point to that as a differentiator. Noel is a weirdo, but (at least for now) they can finally say they’ve developed an COF with legit power.
They’ll never be buyers. Ken Griffey Jr was like last big name I can remember them signing.
While not technically a signing, they did give Votto a mega extension.
First thing they should do is extend their core. Once they do this they will know what their long term budget is and they can act accordingly
Outside of signing Elly to a deal I wouldn’t do anything major going until 2025. The Reds need another year to see exactly what they have in the injured McLain, CES, Greene, and Abbott plus see if Marte is actually any good. Maybe add an innings eater type and a RF (or build a quality platoon). But 2025 should really be about evaluating in house players. If it all looks good at the deadline you can buy then.
I’m a (biased) Nationals fan and we have more depth than the reds right now. I like our 5 starters more, our OF more, etc. Outside of Green and De La Cruz, who are becoming superstars, they have maybe 3-4 average-ish guys. That is a good core. But that’s no where near enough to contend.
You would reconsider your thumbs down if you saw how the NATS beat up Cole and the Yankees today.
Whether your initial contention was correct or not, the single data point of one game proving or disproving it is…not wise
I meant to go look at the boxscore to see their stats, but i was not clear. We now have 5 rookies that are all hitting well and doing nearly all our damage. Sure small samples are the case with most of them, but they are doing this damage to some of the better pitchers in baseball (Cole and Rondon are the last two), so it bodes well so far. Besides Crews, the rookies all have a month or so of hitting. Crews had a hell of a series against the Yankees. He did everything well. I think Abrams has seen his last days leading off now that Crews is up and hitting.
I thought a little more about this comment and it’s closer than it appears on the surface and might tilt Nats. I’m convinced James Wood is going to be an absolute superstar so that helps your argument. But overall the depth of the Reds assets including their farm system still gives them the edge.
DJ Herz is just finding mechanical consistency from start to start away from going Justin Steele. When he’s throwing strikes he’s incredibly difficult to handle.
thank you!
granted it’s just one series, but I’m more sold on Crews right now because Wood makes baserunning and defensive mistakes to often and Crews looked just all round awesome against the Yankees.
Wood’s bat is great though.
What about holding their noses and signing a three-year deal with Trevor Bauer, who would probably sign for chicken feed just to get back to the majors? If you can get away with that anywhere, Cincinnati might just be the place.
The league is never going to let him play again because of what he did. (Ratting guys out about sticky stuff to the point of embarrassing Gerrit Cole. Big no no)
Nah. Houston, maybe. They’ve already made it clear they don’t give a damn about personal history as long as you can play, what with having to be told off for trying to draft a pederast.
Or the Yankees who not once, but twice, acquired a guy who emptied a clip into the shadow of his girlfriend before choking her and slamming her against a wall. Or that a perfect game on his ledger mattered more for Domingo Germán than that he was a violent, abusive alcoholic who was one bad day away from a long stint in prison. Or when the Boston Red Sox continued to enjoy the services of Roger Clemens despite knowing of his sexual relationship with a 15 year old girl who later went on to kill herself. Though, that didn’t stop the Yankees (and Astros tbf) from giving the GDP of a small country to him years after it stopped being a locker room secret. Too many others to name, though due to recency it should be mentioned that the allegations against Wander Franco are heinous and disgusting and upon coming to light the team immediately suspended him. So I could see any of these teams signing Bauer if the league would allow it. That they haven’t is solid evidence of retribution against a player who exposed how the Astros/Yankees/Red Sox were illegally stealing and/or relaying signals to batters in addition to the advantage a handful of players were enjoying by using super sticky materials that were against the written rules. Treat all the scum the same instead of making exceptions. Can probably put the owner of the San Francisco Giants in there, as well, after slapping his wife in the face in public. When you’re a billionaire they let you do it, though.
Oh sure, let’s chain ourselves to an aggrieved Trevor Bauer for three years. No way that ends up a horrible experience for all involved.
Bauer earned his place. He can stay there.
This week’s Power Rankings lumped the Reds with the Pirates
“they’ve each made significant strides toward breaking out of their respective rebuilding cycles this year”
I’d love to see a Pirates piece like this one on the Reds..
The Power Rankings comment seems like an optimistic take on the Buccos to me.
Their wave of prospects has arrived, they added perhaps the most dominant pitcher in the game and….their record is about the same as last year.
The only position that we can say with confidence is manned by someone who could be a cornerstone on a pennant-winning team is Reynolds in left field. Cruz? Gonzalez? Bart? Maaaaybe. Davis? Well, still possible, I guess.
The only question that got answered this year was Hayes. NOT a cornerstone. Sigh.
Development disappointments litter the lineup, the minors, and the exiled pitchers from ’22-’23 prospects lists.
Some hope perhaps with another cohort of pitchers in the upper minors. But the lineup is basically what they’re gonna have for at least the next few years.
Is that really where they are? What do they do next? Is there any hope of overcoming the handicap of wretched ownership or is this as good as it gets? Seems to me they are one mustachioed TJ away from being completely irrelevant again. Curious if a systematic data-driven analysis concludes something different.
Yeah, as I said it’s interesting how much of the NL and especially the Central is full of teams with lots of upside and many players that are more hypable than anything else on a closer look.
The big mechanical/approach things are giving up flyballs and not hitting enough of them. That makes them like a 65 win team in extra innings.
One of the big offseason things will be getting arbitration evaluation right. Keep/extend the right players, even and especially at market value and above. There’s a few reliever/not quite settled batter types that they need to keep, and some that they can hopefully do a Falter/Holderman type deal with.
Another one is tailoring (no pun intended, mostly) the defense to their flyball heavy relievers and non-top starters. Spend hard on groundballers. I sort of want to optimize for two things here which, idk
Coaching/developmental changes will come at a delay, if at all, unfortunately. Good thing is their ceiling is higher than the shaky 75 win consensus of the offseason. They do have a real window. The rest of the divison is potentially even more flawed. Question is how large the window is going to be.
Right, this could be a series. Rebuilds Gone Sideways. The Bucs next week, Detroit the week after that…
Quietly Detroit is over .500 despite injuries or underperformance by Torkelson, Mize, Greene, Manning, Olson, Baez.
Cruz in CF should work.
What?! I was led to believe Ke’Bryan Hayes was the second coming of Graig Nettles!
There’s no reason at all for him to be this bad a hitter. A good org and hitting coach would get him to at least league average.
Haphazard repositioning of players seems to be the standard operating procedure of NL Central teams stuck in neutral like my Bucs and the Reds. I’m not sure why organizations do this to players when they reach the majors. Hitting big league pitching is difficult enough without throwing a position change into the mix.
I’m firmly convinced Cincinnati’s talent base is the best to challenge Milwaukee in the near future. They’ve got the best young position player and one of the best young pitchers which are great cornerstones. With those players (and additional talent) in place, they don’t necessarily need huge dollars from ownership to take that next step. They just need to be smarter about deploying that talent. They could certainly pay the prospect/young MLB cost for Skubal or Crochet.
The Reds and Pirates front offices are very similar. Both like to play infielders in the outfield. Both like to sign 5 mid to low tier free agents and hope to hit lighting in a bottle. Both seem to value the long term financial stability of the franchise over winning. I don’t understand that mentality at all. Give me one really good player at $30 million per year. I guess the problem is that the $30 mil is for multiple years, while the mid tier free agents are on 1 year deals.
The Brewers are in a smallest market of the three, yet they constantly field competitive teams. It really proves that leadership from the top matters.
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Is there a reason Friedl and Lodolo were left off the 2025 ZIPs chart?
This was a great writeup, thank you. Good to see Reds ownership go for it, even when it is not enough, and even when it does not work out. Hope they go for it in 2025 too.
How can one determine in August what Final Depth Chart 2024 WAR numbers are?
I assume those are projected numbers. Isn’t Depth Chart a projection system?
Dan presents a lot of good information here and tries hard to say, “I told you so”, but then ignores the fact that the 2024 Reds are 10-24 in 1-run games. It happens. The 1-run record for the 2023 Reds was 34-29. If you adjust both year’s 1-run record to .500, you get 79 wins in 2023 and 84 in 2024 based on his ZiPS projection. As a guy who watches the Reds every day, I’ll offer that the 2023 Reds weren’t actually that good and the 2024 version has been much better despite the fact that Montas and Candelario underperformed and 3 of the four highly touted rookies produced nothing. 84 wins is more like where the Reds actually are.
No, I don’t agree that signing one 4-WAR player is better than signing two 2-WAR players if you have playing time available and $30-40 million to spend. It doesn’t make sense from a risk management point of view.
That feeling when you’re a Pirates fan and your team is too boringly bad to even get one of these articles.
I get that the Candelario signing came off as a head-scratcher, and there are legitimate questions as to how a fully intact roster would have functioned, but it ended up working out pretty well in actuality. Candy and Espinal haven’t been exceptional players, but they have been very useful.