When Will the Angels Be Competitive Again?

Kiyoshi Mio-Imagn Images

Unless the Los Angeles Angels win their final six games and somehow figure out how to get Major League Baseball to overturn the results of 15 others, the club will finish below the .500 mark for the 11th consecutive season. This postseason will mark the 12th in a row to not feature any Halos, and it has been 17 years since the last time they won a game in the playoffs. The Arte Moreno era is ending, with Los Angeles Rams owner Stan Kroenke taking over the helm. And while Kroenke has a mixed record as an owner, a mixed record would qualify as progress after Moreno. New ownership tends to represent a new beginning for a team, setting up an important question: Can the Angels return to playing October baseball in the near future? After all, while the team doesn’t have the same revenue as the Dodgers, it’s still located in the second-most-populous metropolitan area in the United States; theoretically, they have the resources to speed up the process.

I like to joke about baseball’s Anna Karenina issue, because I think the novel’s first line — “Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way” — is an even more appropriate observation for baseball teams than it is for families. All great baseball teams look kind of the same, but every lousy team looks different. As bad teams go, the Angels have never been spectacularly lousy; if they fail to at least split their last six games, 2026 will be the first time ever that the franchise has lost 100 games. Still, this is a franchise that hasn’t figured out how to play .500 ball while employing the best player of the 2010s and the likely best player of the 2020s. They even had both of those guys on the team for a while! That the Angels have tended to hover just below mediocre rather than being hilariously awful is probably one of the reasons they’ve never truly blown things up and tried something radically different. The Angels never reached a point where they just threw stuff against the wall to see what sticks, something the White Sox finally accepted a few years ago, and that the Rockies appear to be starting to accept now.

If the Angels were to compete again soon, where would the talent come from? At first blush, there’s no amount of squinting that can make the Angels look like they have the foundation of a solid team. Mike Trout is still pretty good, but he’s a galaxy away from the player he once was, and as hard as it is to believe, he turned 35 last month. Zach Neto is solid, but if you listed the rest of the starting lineup and told me that I was looking at the starting lineup for the Durham Bulls or the Round Rock Express, I might believe you.

To get a more comprehensive look at the team’s offensive future, I ran updated WAR and OPS+ projections for the Angels over the next five seasons. I’ve included pretty much everyone on the roster or in the high minors, as well as those top prospects who are at a minor league level where projections are practical. That leaves out intriguing players like Johnny Slawinski, Joswa Lugo, and Yilver De Paula, but we’re also talking about non-elite prospects at the very low levels, so the median outlook for their projections is going to be fairly low. Still, it’s worth keeping in mind that there are at least a few additional lottery tickets out there for the Angels.

To make a quick read of the table easier, I’ve highlighted all of the 3-WAR projected seasons in red and all of the 2-WAR projected seasons in yellow. I’ve also blacked out the seasons where a player isn’t under team control, or where ZiPS is highly confident that they won’t be in baseball based on their performance. Oh, and I threw in Anthony Rendon for the sake of curiosity:

ZiPS 2027-2031 Projections, Los Angeles Angels Offense
Player 2027 OPS+ WAR 2028 OPS+ WAR 2029 OPS+ WAR 2030 OPS+ WAR 2031 OPS+ WAR
Zach Neto 114 3.6 115 3.7 116 3.8
Mike Trout 121 2.3 114 1.6 102 0.9 92 0.2
Denzer Guzman 89 1.5 93 1.8 96 2.1 99 2.4 105 2.8
Christian Moore 90 1.4 95 1.8 100 2.0 98 2.0 99 2.0
Wade Meckler 98 1.2 96 1.1 96 1.0 97 0.9 91 0.5
Jake Munroe 103 1.1 98 1.0 103 1.3 102 1.3 100 1.3
Nacho Alvarez Jr. 78 1.1 80 1.2 81 1.4 81 1.3 80 1.3
Vaughn Grissom 94 1.1 92 1.1 94 1.1 95 1.0 90 0.6
Nolan Schanuel 104 1.1 104 1.1 104 1.0 103 0.9 100 0.6
Nelson Rada 76 1.0 80 1.3 81 1.4 82 1.3 85 1.4
Jose Siri 75 0.9 74 0.8
Josh Lowe 97 0.9 98 0.9
Bryce Teodosio 65 0.8 68 0.9 69 0.9 66 0.5 62 0.3
Pablo Reyes 95 0.8 89 0.4 83 0.0 76 -0.2 63 -0.3
Kyren Paris 78 0.7 86 1.1 89 1.3 89 1.2 92 1.3
Niko Kavadas 95 0.7 97 0.8 96 0.6 93 0.4 81 -0.1
Jacob Cozart 71 0.6 77 1.0 79 1.1 84 1.3 81 1.1
Oswald Peraza 72 0.6 73 0.7 72 0.5 75 0.4 74 0.2
Tyler Heineman 58 0.6 63 0.6
Cade Marlowe 93 0.5 89 0.3 88 0.2 83 -0.1 79 -0.1
Arjun Nimmala 74 0.5 82 1.0 89 1.6 92 1.9 95 2.2
Gustavo Campero 99 0.4 99 0.4 95 0.2 95 0.1 91 0.0
Raudi Rodriguez 83 0.3 86 0.5 91 0.8 94 0.9 97 1.0
Ben Gobbel 79 0.2 79 0.2 82 0.3 79 0.1 74 -0.1
Yolmer Sánchez 62 0.2 60 0.0 56 -0.3 56 -0.1
Moisés Ballesteros 91 0.1 94 0.4 97 0.6 99 0.6 99 0.6
Jeimer Candelario 82 0.1
Zach Humphreys 64 0.1 67 0.2 63 0.0 56 -0.1
Logan Porter 64 0.1 60 -0.1 54 -0.3 47 -0.2
Hayden Alvarez 78 0.1 77 0.1 83 0.2 81 0.1 89 0.3
Juan Flores 62 0.1 70 0.6 75 0.9 81 1.3 88 1.7
Anthony Rendon 79 0.0 84 0.1 75 -0.1
Marlon Quintero 51 0.0 57 0.3 61 0.6 67 0.8 69 0.9
Tucker Flint 77 -0.3 80 -0.1 84 0.1 83 0.0 82 0.0
Omar Martinez 70 -0.3 73 -0.1 79 0.2 78 0.1 73 -0.1
Nick Rodriguez 65 -0.5 69 -0.1 70 0.0 74 0.1 72 0.0
Eddie Micheletti Jr. 72 -0.5 74 -0.4 78 -0.2 80 -0.1 79 -0.1
Sebastián Rivero 47 -0.6 47 -0.7 49 -0.6 46 -0.2
Cole Fontenelle 47 -1.0 55 -0.6 60 -0.4 62 -0.1 68 0.0
Arol Vera 39 -1.2 41 -1.2 43 -1.1 43 -0.3
Capri Ortiz 49 -1.4 55 -1.1 63 -0.5 67 -0.2 72 0.0
Ryan Nicholson 63 -1.5 65 -1.4 68 -1.2 70 -0.5 68 -0.2
Mac McCroskey 39 -1.5 42 -1.4 43 -1.4 24 -0.5

There… isn’t a lot of color in that chart. ZiPS doesn’t see anyone beyond Neto as a key part of a contending team. Trout is almost certainly going to become less and less of a contributor in coming seasons, and Denzer Guzman and Christian Moore look more like complementary options than guys threatening to attend a string of All-Star games (though Guzman does have some decent projected upside). Even given the very real possibility that ZiPS is underrating Arjun Nimmala, that’s still a stunning lack of offensive talent in the organization.

Let’s move on to the pitching, where things do look a bit better. There are no borderline star seasons projected, so I’ve highlighted all the 100 ERA+ seasons in yellow:

You Aren't a FanGraphs Member
It looks like you aren't yet a FanGraphs Member (or aren't logged in). We aren't mad, just disappointed. We get it. You want to read this article. But before we let you get back to it, we'd like to point out a few of the good reasons why you should become a Member. 1. Ad Free viewing! We won't bug you with this ad, or any other. 2. Unlimited articles! Non-Members only get to read 10 free articles a month. Members never get cut off. 3. Dark mode and Classic mode! 4. Custom player page dashboards! Choose the player cards you want, in the order you want them. 5. One-click data exports! Export our projections and leaderboards for your personal projects. 6. Remove the photos on the home page! (Honestly, this doesn't sound so great to us, but some people wanted it, and we like to give our Members what they want.) 7. Even more Steamer projections! We have handedness, percentile, and context neutral projections available for Members only. 8. Get FanGraphs Walk-Off, a customized year end review! Find out exactly how you used FanGraphs this year, and how that compares to other Members. Don't be a victim of FOMO. 9. A weekly mailbag column, exclusively for Members. 10. Help support FanGraphs and our entire staff! Our Members provide us with critical resources to improve the site and deliver new features! We hope you'll consider a Membership today, for yourself or as a gift! And we realize this has been an awfully long sales pitch, so we've also removed all the other ads in this article. We didn't want to overdo it. In case you didn't read all that, here's the short version. Membership includes:
Ad-free browsing
Unlimited FanGraphs & RotoGraphs articles
Historical & platoon projections
Leaderboard & player-page stat heatmaps
One-click data exports
Customizable player-page dashboards
Dark & Classic site modes
Weekly Members-only mailbag
FanGraphs Walk-Off, your year in review
Optional homepage photo removal
Gift articles to non-members
ZiPS 2027-2031 Projections, Los Angeles Angels Pitching
Player 2027 ERA+ WAR 2028 ERA+ WAR 2029 ERA+ WAR 2030 ERA+ WAR 2031 ERA+ WAR
Reid Detmers 106 2.6 105 2.4
Walbert Ureña 102 2.2 105 2.4 106 2.5 106 2.4 106 2.4
Tyler Bremner 103 1.4 107 1.9 109 2.2 110 2.2 107 2.2
Yusei Kikuchi 94 1.3 85 0.6
Grayson Rodriguez 93 1.1 94 1.2 95 1.3
George Klassen 92 1.1 95 1.3 98 1.5 99 1.5 99 1.5
Ryan Johnson 91 1.0 96 1.3 99 1.5 100 1.6 101 1.6
Austin Gordon 87 0.9 92 1.2 96 1.4 98 1.5 98 1.5
Caden Dana 87 0.7 93 1.1 97 1.4 100 1.5 101 1.6
Nate Snead 86 0.5 89 0.9 93 1.2 95 1.3 97 1.4
Kyle Robinson 82 0.5 87 0.8 92 1.1 96 1.3 98 1.5
Samy Natera Jr. 100 0.5 106 0.6 106 0.6 107 0.6 106 0.6
José Fermin 104 0.4 110 0.6 115 0.7 116 0.7 117 0.7
Mitch Farris 85 0.4 89 0.6 93 0.8 94 0.8 94 0.8
Jack Kochanowicz 81 0.4 84 0.6 86 0.7 88 0.6
Eybersson Polanco 85 0.4 91 0.7 98 1.0 99 1.1 103 1.2
Jose Atencio 83 0.4 87 0.6 91 0.8 92 0.9 94 1.0
Sammy Peralta 93 0.3 93 0.3 93 0.3 93 0.3 90 0.2
Joel Hurtado 80 0.3 83 0.6 87 0.7 87 0.7 87 0.6
Sam Aldegheri 80 0.3 84 0.7 88 0.9 90 1.0 92 0.9
Ryan Watson 97 0.3 99 0.3 99 0.3 97 0.2 91 0.1
Ben Joyce 103 0.3 106 0.4 109 0.4
Ryan Costeiu 80 0.3 83 0.5 87 0.7 88 0.7 90 0.6
Jose Gonzalez 82 0.3 87 0.5 89 0.7 92 0.8 94 0.8
Sam Bachman 96 0.2 97 0.3 99 0.3 99 0.3
Alex Faedo 85 0.2 84 0.2 82 0.1 80 0.0 74 -0.1
Trey Gregory-Alford 79 0.2 84 0.5 88 0.8 92 1.1 94 1.3
Trevor Martin 83 0.1 87 0.3 90 0.5 94 0.5 93 0.4
Camden Minacci 96 0.1 98 0.2 102 0.3 107 0.4 107 0.4
Blake Weiman 93 0.1 91 0.0 91 0.0 88 -0.1 81 -0.2
Carlos Espinosa 89 0.1 93 0.2 97 0.4 99 0.4 100 0.4
Luke Murphy 94 0.1 95 0.1 97 0.2 95 0.1 95 0.1
Rob Kaminsky 90 0.0 86 0.0 83 -0.1 82 -0.1 76 -0.2
Tayler Saucedo 90 0.0 85 -0.1 77 -0.3 72 -0.3 64 -0.4
Robert Stephenson 94 0.0
Najer Victor 91 0.0 97 0.1 100 0.2 105 0.3 106 0.3
Shaun Anderson 앤더슨 78 0.0 77 -0.1 74 -0.2 69 -0.3 64 -0.4
Lucas Knowles 79 0.0 79 0.0 79 0.0 76 -0.1 77 -0.1
Brett Kerry 77 -0.1 77 0.1 78 0.2 79 0.1 78 0.1
Mason Erla 77 -0.1 79 -0.1 77 -0.1 77 -0.1 75 -0.1
Leonard Garcia 88 -0.1 92 0.0 99 0.2 103 0.3 105 0.4
Dillon Tate 82 -0.1 80 -0.2 78 -0.4 70 -0.4 67 -0.4
Jared Southard 85 -0.2 88 0.0 92 0.1 92 0.1 92 0.1
Kenyon Yovan 85 -0.2 85 -0.2 86 -0.2 84 -0.2 80 -0.2
Hagen Danner 85 -0.2 86 -0.1 85 -0.1 85 -0.1 82 -0.1
Dylan Phillips 86 -0.2 87 -0.1 89 -0.1 88 -0.1 88 -0.1
Bryce Osmond 73 -0.3 78 -0.1 79 0.1 82 0.1 82 0.1
Nicolo Pinazzi 65 -0.3 71 -0.3 72 -0.3 71 -0.2 70 -0.2
Brady Choban 79 -0.4 79 -0.3 83 -0.2 83 -0.2 83 -0.1
Kaleb Ort 79 -0.4 73 -0.5 66 -0.7 59 -0.4
Chris Cortez 66 -0.6 70 -0.4 74 -0.1 77 0.1 79 0.2

Reid Detmers and Walbert Ureña both project as very good mid-rotation starters, and the latter is a long way from free agency. There may be No Such Thing as a Pitching Prospect©, but ZiPS does think Tyler Bremner is likely to be at least solid. None of the rest of the arms look amazing, but the Angels do have an interesting bunch of plausible bullpen candidates, though nobody who would blow your mind. If the Angels get lucky with either Grayson Rodriguez or George Klassen, and Najer Victor figures out the significance of that white house-shaped pentagon next to the batter, it’s a pitching staff they could make quite decent with a few splashy upgrades.

Sum it all up, and ZiPS sees the Angels as a 70-win team in 2027, with only minor growth from there based on their in-organization options. To that end, the team’s player development absolutely has to improve; the Angels only barely moved out of the bottom third of our farm rankings on the last update, the first time they’ve done so since 2020. That’s particularly concerning for a team that hasn’t contended in more than a decade. Hopefully the team will move on from a draft philosophy that emphasizes high-floor/low-ceiling prospects who can be promoted to the majors very quickly.

As for their options beyond the organization, could the Angels contend with a spending spree next year? I get asked that question fairly regularly in my weekly chats, so at least someone is interested in the answer, or at least wants to trick me into writing about the Angels. Let’s give it a spin.

A contending Angels team needs a high-end starting pitcher, a veteran bulk arm, and probably three additional good relievers. Here’s one set of potential additions:

2027 ZiPS Projection (LAA) – Tarik Skubal
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2027 13 6 2.66 28 28 169.3 133 50 15 28 206 159 5.2
2028 12 6 2.78 27 27 165.0 135 51 16 28 194 151 4.9
2029 12 6 2.91 26 26 160.7 136 52 16 27 183 145 4.5
2030 11 6 3.11 26 26 150.7 132 52 16 25 167 136 4.0
2031 10 7 3.27 24 24 145.7 133 53 17 25 155 129 3.5

2027 ZiPS Projection (LAA) – Kevin Gausman
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2027 9 10 4.21 28 27 156.0 151 73 22 44 153 100 2.2
2028 7 9 4.51 24 23 133.7 136 67 20 41 125 93 1.4
2029 6 8 4.94 21 20 114.7 124 63 19 39 103 85 0.7

2027 ZiPS Projection (LAA) – Adrian Morejon
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2027 8 4 3.01 71 0 77.7 64 26 5 23 88 140 1.4
2028 7 4 2.97 69 0 75.7 62 25 5 23 85 142 1.4
2029 7 4 3.03 67 0 74.3 61 25 5 22 83 139 1.3
2030 7 4 3.17 65 0 71.0 59 25 5 21 77 133 1.2
2031 7 4 3.23 64 0 69.7 59 25 5 21 74 130 1.1

2027 ZiPS Projection (LAA) – A.J. Minter
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2027 3 3 3.98 56 2 52.0 49 23 7 12 47 106 0.5
2028 3 2 4.01 54 2 49.3 48 22 7 12 43 105 0.4

2027 ZiPS Projection (LAA) – Garrett Whitlock
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2027 6 2 2.93 46 3 61.3 52 20 6 13 72 144 1.4
2028 5 3 3.17 45 3 59.7 52 21 6 14 67 133 1.2
2029 5 3 3.39 44 3 58.3 52 22 6 14 64 124 1.1
2030 5 3 3.51 44 3 56.3 52 22 6 15 60 120 0.9
2031 4 4 3.83 43 3 54.0 52 23 6 15 55 110 0.7

Most of the names here are interchangeable with other options, but you can’t really fake signing Tarik Skubal and have to go with the real thing. ZiPS estimates that doing so would make the Angels a 77-85 team, but also one that just added more than $80 million in salary to get there.

As for the offense, it needs a lot of work and there is only so much they can practically do, even in an ultra-aggressive buying frenzy. Assuming that Trout stays at DH, they certainly need a couple of outfielders, and there’s no Aaron Judge to sign. The corner infield spots aren’t the weakest on the roster, but Teruaki Sato is one of the best players (possibly) available, and I’d like a bit more certainty at second base if we’re doing full-on win-now mode:

2027 ZiPS Projection (LAA) – Teruaki Sato
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .248 .317 .522 540 83 134 30 5 36 101 54 201 10 128 3.2
2028 .246 .317 .512 537 82 132 30 4 35 99 55 196 9 126 3.0
2029 .245 .317 .504 526 79 129 29 4 33 94 55 191 8 124 2.7
2030 .238 .312 .480 508 75 121 27 3 30 86 54 184 7 116 2.0
2031 .235 .310 .466 485 70 114 25 3 27 78 52 177 6 112 1.6

2027 ZiPS Projection (LAA) – Randy Arozarena
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .256 .354 .441 546 92 140 27 1 24 75 63 149 22 120 2.4
2028 .252 .350 .429 511 83 129 25 1 21 67 58 141 18 116 1.9
2029 .246 .344 .412 471 74 116 22 1 18 59 53 134 14 110 1.3
2030 .237 .334 .387 393 58 93 18 1 13 46 43 115 11 101 0.5
2031 .230 .327 .371 278 40 64 12 0 9 30 30 84 7 94 0.1

2027 ZiPS Projection (LAA) – Seiya Suzuki
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .267 .352 .480 529 82 141 29 3 26 83 70 150 5 129 3.4
2028 .259 .345 .459 501 75 130 27 2 23 75 65 143 4 122 2.7
2029 .253 .338 .443 463 66 117 24 2 20 66 59 135 3 115 2.0
2030 .246 .331 .420 419 57 103 21 2 16 56 53 126 3 108 1.4

2027 ZiPS Projection (LAA) – Jazz Chisholm Jr.
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2027 .240 .319 .428 491 71 118 17 3 23 68 55 156 35 106 2.4
2028 .238 .317 .417 480 69 114 16 2 22 65 54 150 32 102 2.1
2029 .236 .316 .410 461 64 109 16 2 20 61 52 143 27 100 1.7
2030 .233 .313 .396 429 58 100 15 2 17 54 48 134 23 96 1.3

You may have noted the problem I’m running into for the quick-fix route: There’s a hard limit on just how many difference-makers there are available in free agency. These four signings probably add another $80 million to the payroll, and once you throw in the player benefits, the Angels would have a luxury tax payroll creeping into the $300 million range. Their projection would only improve to 83-79, and while that would be the team’s best year in a decade, it’s a pretty brutal projection to intentionally pay $300 million for.

In the end, the Angels don’t appear to have enough in-house options to make buying their way into contention a real possibility. That means that the road ahead will be a lot harder, with them eating some awful seasons without any pretense of contending, trying some new things, and taking some chances, all of which the franchise has struggled with for the last decade. As it turns out, needing to replace about 20 players on your roster isn’t something you can do quickly. By the time the Angels are good again, we might be talking about the next lockout!





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

18 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
pezzicle
3 hours ago

they were competitive?

David Klein
3 hours ago

Trout is already 35 so probably by the time where he’s done or nearly done is when they’ll be ready to be good. While the west is an absolute joke the Angels just have too holes to just go out and spend their way into contention in the next few years especially with how weak this coming free agency class is. Also any gm Kroenke interviews will tell him to rebuild the next few years and rebuild the farm system by possibly moving Neto and Detmers. It is gonna remain painful the next few years but with Moreno out there is hope for the future.

Last edited 3 hours ago by David Klein
Darren SchmidtMember since 2021
2 hours ago
Reply to  David Klein

Sadly, I agree. It could be similar to how the White Sox finally won it all when Frank Thomas was at the end – just shell of his former self.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
1 hour ago
Reply to  Darren Schmidt

Big Hurt had a .905 OPS in 2005 followed by 2 more productive seasons. He still had some juice left.

jtricheyMember since 2021
25 minutes ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

That wasn’t juice, it was Nugenics.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 hours ago

I think they’re playing to catch a couple breaks in a Marlins or White Sox kind of way while leveraging a higher payroll than most scrublord rosters. This *shouldn’t* be hard to turn around. The Moreno era suffered from overcommitting to mediocre players rather than churning those spots until they found leverageable talent. And, of course, a refusal to use the farm system to any effect whatsoever.

wallyworld2199
2 hours ago

While there are not many if any plusses to being an Angels fan….the one is that the Stan Kroenke ownership cares and those teams have become consistent contenders.

As hard as it is being an Angels fan, they have to trade away Neto and/or Detmers right? They are arguably, and that argument isn’t that hard, the only players contenders could be interested in. They really need to light the next 3 years on fire from a “winning” standpoint and focus on developing Bremner, Nimmala, Slawinski, TGA, Jordan, Alvarez, Shores, etc and hope to hit some lottery tickets on 1 year on prove it deals

Urena and Natera were nice developmental wins so hopefully they can keep the trend going.

To think this organization had Trout and Ohtani in their prime….

Brad JohnsonMember
58 minutes ago
Reply to  wallyworld2199

They can probably get a small something for Jo Adell if only because RHH OF are so hard to find right now. I’d like to see them remove the temptation to play Adell. He’s not going to be an answer for them while another org might unlock something (or convince themselves that it’s possible). His poor defense also fits better on a team that has more frequent DH starts available. (remember when he stole 3 HR in one game? Now he has -7.3 defensive runs.)

David Klein
48 minutes ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

They traded him already he’s with Cleveland.

wallyworld2199
46 minutes ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Adell got moved at the deadline for a catcher prospect

Brad JohnsonMember
1 hour ago

Keep in mind, this is going to be a weird offseason. If they don’t get acceptable offers for Neto or Detmers before the lockout–and they do have to make those trades count–then they might be better off investing in the Bauers/Grisham/Laureano tier of free agents post-lockout. Maybe trade for a Brett Baty. Guys who could gel together to provide a cheeky rebound year while also serving as solid trade deadline fodder if it’s more of the same in Anaheim.

The foundation of Neto, Trout, Schanuel, and Meckler is pretty solid. Nice OBP traits from that latter pair. If you can bump them to the back of a lineup, you’re looking at a pretty tedious matchup for opposing pitchers. Yea, they realistically need to add 4 guys to achieve that, but they don’t necessarily have to be expensive guys.

My bias is I can’t ever really justify a deep rebuild, especially in this current meta where teams can’t pile up multiple 1st overall picks, and double-especially for an Angels org that simply lacks minor league instruction. Even if they aim to fix that last issue, it’s a multi-year catch-up effort. What’s worse is you don’t know if it’s working until it’s working.

So, I always want to give a team a path to contending, even if it relies on a seemingly ludicrous pile of luck. Miracle teams do win the WS now and then–the Red Sox (the Victorino year), arguably the Braves and Nats, the Rangers most of all.

PhilMember since 2016
25 minutes ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I would argue that doing the fingers-crossed-maybe-they-can-compete-if-you-squint-hard-enough approach is exactly why the Angels are in this mess (coupled with their other issues, such as their minor league development seemingly being the worst in the majors, by some distance).

Those teams who you describe as miracle WS teams all started from a far higher base:

The 2023 Rangers had six win seasons from Semien and Seager, and 4 win seasons from Adolis Garcis (coming off a 3.7 fWAR year), and Jonah Heim. Sure, Heim’s 2023 was a career year, but there are exactly two Angels who have had better 2026s than Heim’s 2022 – Neto and Trout. The pitching was less spectacular, and the 2026 Angels beat this for the headline WAR figures – but the Angels have far less quality depth.

The 2021 Braves were led by breakout Austin Riley (who was excellent in the following 2 years), with 3+ win seasons by Freeman, Acuna (before he got injured), Albies and Swanson. Pitching was led by Max Fried and Charlie Morton, neither of whom were surprisingly good pitchers.

The 2019 Nationals had a terrific core of stars: Corbin, Strasburg and Scherzer all had at least 4.7fWAR (and all had had higher WAR the previous season or the season before that – that their 2019 versions were very good wasn’t a surprise) while on the hitting side, they had 4+ win seasons from Rendon, Turner and Soto.

Even the Victorino Red Sox had Ellsbury with a bounce back year, Dustin Pedroia, and David Ortiz as established good players, with Jon Lester on the pitching sides.

While you can catch lightning in a bottle with players having career years, post season heroics, and so on, what you need in order to make that happen is a core of very good players – the Angels have nowhere near that core.

dswhiteMember since 2025
1 hour ago

Trade Detmers and Neto for $100MM in prospects, accept that you will lose 110 games in 2027, mine waivers and Rule 5

Brad JohnsonMember
1 hour ago
Reply to  dswhite

Probably no Rule 5.

Jeremy FoxMember since 2017
22 minutes ago

I’d be super-interested in an exercise like this for every team!

And I’d be curious about the error bars around the team’s collective 5-year projection. One thought I have is that a team’s prospects even a couple of years into the future often aren’t so clear; I bet they have giant error bars. Cherry-picking an extreme example: if you’d done this exercise for the White Sox two years ago, I feel like there’s no way you’d have projected them as having even a halfway-decent shot of being an above-.500 team this year.

If that’s correct, it must make front office strategic planning pretty hard. When we’re all screaming at team X to pick a lane, because they clearly need to either go all-in or blow it all up, I wonder if it’s not so clear as we all seem to think it is.

Jeremy FoxMember since 2017
17 minutes ago
Reply to  Jeremy Fox

To be clear: I’m making a broader point, not trying to defend the Angels specifically. The approach of drafting high floor/low ceiling players and rushing them to the majors was defensible for a while, but at some point in the last decade-plus I do think it became clear that it wasn’t working and it was time to pivot. At least if the goal is to put a good team on the field as soon as possible. (If the goal was just to look like you’re trying while you still have Mike Trout, so that you keep the fanbase onside while you still have Mike Trout, well, mission accomplished I guess?)

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
4 minutes ago

The Angels are just a bad organization. I wonder if it’s like the Cubs were for decades, where revenue stayed up even when the team stunk so they just don’t try hard enough?

Last edited 55 seconds ago by TKDC
Jeremy FoxMember since 2017
13 seconds ago

A broader thought/question: how does baseball compare to other sports in terms of consistently certain teams are bad, or good, over a timeframe of a decade or more? In baseball, it feels like teams are mostly good, or mostly bad (or for a few teams, mostly somewhere in the middle) for a looong time–10 or 20 years or even more. Those stretches sometimes are interrupted by brief windows of different outcomes, but only briefly. 10+ years is a looong time for a team to mostly suck–that’s a significant chunk of a fan’s lifetime!

Are other sports like this? If they’re not, is that because of something about baseball that could be changed by the CBA? Or is baseball like this because of something that can’t easily be changed? Maybe the nature of the sport makes for long rebuilds? No one player makes that much difference to a baseball team’s success, so to be good you have to accumulate a *lot* of good players and that takes time. Or maybe it’s ownership? If your owners want to win, hire good people, and (hopefully) spend money intelligently, you’ll be consistently good; otherwise you’ll be consistently mediocre/bad?