Where Do the Orioles Go from Here?
On June 29, the Baltimore Orioles reached their high-water mark of the season, according to our playoff odds. They’d defeated the San Diego Padres, 12-6 to win their seventh consecutive game, putting them 17 games above .500 with a 5.5-game lead in the division and a 71% chance to make the postseason.
And then the pitching staff happened. It’s been one week since that day, and in that week, little good has come out of the Orioles’ rotation. Baltimore followed up its seven-game winning streak with a five-game losing streak, due largely to the fact that its starting rotation averaged just five innings per start with a 7.46 ERA and 6.74 FIP. Sweeping conclusions aren’t to be drawn from any seven-game stretch, of course; the Cubs’ rotation has been equally underwhelming over the last week and there’s no alarm bells going off there. But unlike in Chicago, what we’ve seen from Baltimore’s starters over the last week only reinforces what we already knew: this Baltimore rotation isn’t very good.
You know the numbers over the last week. Over the last month, it’s still not good, with a 5.52 ERA and a 5.13 FIP. Spanning the whole year, Orioles starters have pitched to a 5.12 ERA and a 4.79 FIP. Starting rotations with an ERA north of 5.00 don’t typically make the postseason. Starting rotations with an ERA north of 5.00 certainly aren’t to be trusted in the postseason, at the very least.
All the same, the Orioles have had that starting rotation all year, and here they are, still in first place, still well above .500, and still possessing roughly a 50% shot of making the playoffs. Those 50/50 teams are interesting, because those 50/50 teams have questions, questions like, in this case: How did they get here? What does the starting rotation hold? With the trade deadline looming, in what ways could that rotation be improved, and to what extent?
They got here with the bats, and the bats expect to stay. It’s been a top-five lineup thus far, and it projects as a top-five lineup moving forward. They got here with the bullpen, and the bullpen expects to stay. By WPA, Baltimore’s had baseball’s third-best bullpen this year, thanks to Zach Britton taking yet another step forward and Brad Brach cementing himself as one of baseball’s better non-closing relievers. The projections see no reason for the bullpen to fall off any time soon.
But that rotation? It’s been ugly, and it expects to remain ugly. The only teams with worse rest-of-season projections in the rotation are the Brewers, Angels, Royals, Braves, and Reds. Four of those teams are well out of contention — three never had any intentions to compete in the first place — and the fifth is on its way. After a great start to the season, Chris Tillman‘s got a 4.28 ERA and 5.46 FIP over his last 10 starts, and his season peripherals are back to their typically underwhelming, mid-rotation level. Likewise, Kevin Gausman’s mediocre peripherals remain unchanged. Yovani Gallardo has completely crashed and burned, which might’ve been easy to spot in the offseason. Ubaldo Jimenez has been one of the very worst starters in baseball by RA9-WAR, lost his spot, and is only back in the rotation due to Baltimore’s complete lack of depth.
So, there’s the first problem: the projections don’t see much hope. And the bigger issue might be that Baltimore entered the season without much in the way of any backup plans. Dylan Bundy’s not ready to be stretched out into a starter role, which leaves guys like Vance Worley, Tyler Wilson, Mike Wright, and Odrisamer Despaigne as the alternatives to Gallardo and Jimenez.
And while it’s true that with a truly elite bullpen, the Orioles can be less reliant on starting pitching than most teams — “We’ve kind of skirted with conventionality for quite some time now. Not just this season, but through the years,” manager Buck Showalter recently said — it’s hard to imagine giving starts to both Gallardo and Jimenez in a seven-game playoff series. Even the Royals, who have thrived off a similar model in recent years — get the starters out early and let the bullpen do the work — went and added a Johnny Cueto at the deadline to bolster the front half of the rotation, and had the back-half guys like Kris Medlen and Chris Young pitching well.
So, can the Orioles go get their Johnny Cueto? Cueto didn’t exactly light the world on fire in Kansas City, but the ace acquisition at the deadline turning into a pumpkin should be viewed as the exception, not the rule. Who’s out there? Unfortunately for Baltimore, the ace market is slim. Guys like Sonny Gray and Chris Archer have had their names tossed out there, though that’s likely got more to do with their underperformance than anything else. Add Francisco Liriano and Andrew Cashner to the list of exciting names in the midst of disappointing seasons. The Tyson Ross injury sapped an intriguing name from the market. The Braves insist Julio Teheran isn’t going anywhere, and besides, what would the Orioles have to get him?
Baltimore’s best and most sensible trade chip at the moment might be Dylan Bundy, who’s currently buried in the bullpen’s depth chart but would be a tough pill to swallow. Trading away a key part of the major-league roster is robbing Peter to pay Paul, and Baltimore entered the season with a bottom-five farm system that saw its top prospect, Hunter Harvey, undergo hernia surgery in early May, from which he’s just now recovering.
Tier two includes guys like Rich Hill, Jake Odorizzi and Drew Smyly as sensible candidates, but even then Baltimore could be competing against teams like Boston and Texas who possess far more in the way of prospect firepower. So, what then? Ervin Santana? Jeremy Hellickson? How different are those guys from Gallardo or Jimenez?
Maybe it makes more sense to improve elsewhere. A once-elite Orioles defense is now grading out as soundly negative for the first time in several years, and so maybe a Zack Cozart at shortstop or a Josh Reddick in right field makes more sense, pushing worse defenders out of the way to ease the burden of the pitching staff while helping make a great lineup even better.
In the last week, Baltimore went from a three-in-four chance of making the postseason to a coin flip, mostly due to a starting rotation that’s been shaky all season long. Still in first place, the Orioles are obviously a contender, but they’re sliding to the point where a direction needs to be chosen. If they wish to add, the most sensible place is that rotation. That’s where the problem lies. The bigger problem, though, might be the apparent lack of answers on how to fix it.
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Cozart is going to improve the defense over JJ Hardy? He’s old and not hitting now but still a good defender. And sure, Reddick is a far superior defender to Trumbo or Kim, but he’d be pushing Alvarez out of the lineup (who is a pretty good hitter in his own right). The Orioles’ starting lineup doesn’t have any holes to upgrade in the way Cameron suggested with the Red Sox at C or LF.
In this case the conventional route of improving the pitching is the correct route. They’ve got below replacement level options in multiple rotation spots and it shouldn’t be hard to find replacement level SP, even with a bad farm system. If they want a quality pitcher, their best shot is Rich Hill who won’t cost too much because of his age, impending free agency, and fact that the last decade and a half he was Rich Hill. Teams like the Red Sox / Rangers can always offer more, but the Orioles should be able to offer enough. They’ll be able to get somebody that way.
I agree. Why would you want to break up one of the best double play combinations in baseball? No way we should go after Cozart. And there’s something called team chemistry; I think it would have a very negative impact on player morale. Hardy is well liked in the clubhouse.
And I’m not so sure that Hellickson wouldn’t be an upgrade over Jimenez. Hellickson has added a cutter since he left for the NL.
IMO just about any starter they could acquire is better than Ubaldo.
I like the idea of adding Reddick but Kim is hitting even if he’s not great defensively. And you can’t move Trumbo to being a full time DH without finding somebody who wants Alvarez, which would be problematic.
Hill is an okay option, but given his injury history and poor walk rate, I’m not all that enthusiastic about him. And that HR/FB rate would correct itself in a big way in the AL East.
agreed. the infield really isn’t what’s driving their defensive numbers down. it’s the outfield. Jones is going to stay in CF, no matter what the numbers say. The numbers hate Rickard, but Buck just loves his defense. The numbers hate Kim too, but his bat plays. And Trumbo is getting a bunch of time in RF if they want Alvarez in the lineup. unless you want to trade an outfielder/alvarez for sp, your defense is what it is.
The defense isn’t as bad as it seems. Chris Davis and Nolan Reimold are both positive defenders by both UZR and DRS, yet they’re negative in fangraphs DEF due to positional adjustments. Pedro Alvarez has been worth -2 in only 52 innings at 3rd, but he won’t be playing anymore. It’s really just the majority of the outfield that is dragging the rating down.
Too bad the O’s dont have a young decent prospect lefty to fill in for the rotation, say a guy like Brault… 🙂
But in all seriousness, Liriano and now reportedly Jon Niese are available. Would Baltimore have interest in either of them? What would a potential deal involving the two teams look like?
Those are intriguing options for the Orioles and most likely have been discussed with the Pirates. With Glasnow being promoted I could see them parting with one of them.
The problem is the Pirates are are reasonably in contention for a Wild Card spot after winning 6 straight. Unless they get suddenly cold again, it is hard to see the Bucs going with a mostly rookie rotation.
Taillon is injured and he is (or should be) on an innings limit anyway. Glasnow probably maxes out at 160 IP, and he is close to 100 IP already this year. Cole is hurt, and we don’t know how many IP he will provide.
If the Pirates trade Niese and/or Liriano, they could wind up with a rotation that includes Steven Breault, Chad Kuhl, Jeff Locke and Juan Nicasio during a pennant run.
Yeah, you’re right. I should’ve added: if they fall off the pace for a WC spot. Which IMHO they will. So many good teams vying for those last two WC slots.
Niese is reportedly very available, and it presumably makes more sense for the Pirates to trade him than Liriano because Liriano’s contract is guaranteed through 2017 and he has more upside anyway.
Thing is, do you want add a pitcher suffering from HR problems to Camden Yards?
Agreed with LHPSU; Niese has been mediocre-at-best pitching in the NL, I could see a 5+ ERA if you trot him out regularly against the likes of the Red Sox and Jays formidable offenses.
Not sure if there’s a starter worth this but how about a 3-way deal with Trumbo going to a contender, who sends prospects to a rebuilder, who sends a SP to the Orioles. They need to do something.
I’m just trying to help you out here, but this is off the top of my head: Trumbo to the Nationals. Nationals send Trea Turner or someone of lesser quality to the Yankees. Yankees send Michael Pineda to the Orioles.
That’s a pretty rotten deal for DC. If you’re shipping out an MLB-top-20 prospect for a 3-month rental, the rental had better be MVP-caliber.
Although if Dusty Baker were calling the shots he would make that deal in a heartbeat. Those young guys, they’re not good for much. But adding a “proven MLB veteran” – how can you pass that up?! LOOK AT THOSE DINGERS. THOSE DON’T CLOG THE BASES.
(One of course assumes ownership has more sense than that.)
There’s a skeleton of a deal out there that actually works in improving Baltimore’s lineup/bench AND starting pitching core, and it involves San Diego sending them Pomeranz and/or Cashner along with Kemp. Kemp is almost surely the most overpaid player in the majors, but as a RH part of a platoon with Alvarez, the Orioles would definitely upgrade on that front. Both Cashner and Pomeranz would upgrade the bottom portion of that rotation fairly drastically.
But then, I’m not sure what the Orioles could offer in that situation. If San Diego unloaded Kemp’s contract on the Orioles, then you could probably expect the Orioles to get either/both of these pitchers mostly for free… If the Orioles wanted San Diego to cover the cost of Kemp, then they’d need to send prospect(s), but, as pointed out, the Orioles are thin on them.
I don’t know, seems like this is an avenue the Orioles should examine.
If the Orioles were willing to add on that kind of money they would have been able to improve their pitching in the offseason. Baltimore is in a tough spot because they don’t have a lot of depth to call on, they’re basically out of budget, and they don’t have much in the farm system to use in a trade.
We know they actually do have a little budgetary breathing room since their final move of the offseason was signing Dexter Fowler (who then backed out of the contract). Whatever money was earmarked for Fowler’s deal is presumably still headroom in their 2016 budget.
Except Fowler didn’t actually sign a contract with them…
They signed Alvarez after Fowler declined.
Well, yea, the options when including Kemp’s contract would be taking on all the salary (and ‘accepting’ some pitching back in order to take on the money), taking on none/almost none of the money (and giving up prospects as though Kemp wasn’t included in the deal), or some combination (which would be the most likely, I would imagine). If they were interested in looking into a deal with SD, I’d guess that they wouldn’t go the route of prospects, since I doubt that they could make it work with such a weak system.
But, more to your point, the FO has shown they’re more flexible with their budget… The Davis contract shows they’re willing to spend, and we’re probably not talking about taking on tens of millions per year to take on Kemp, we’re probably talking about SD eating a solid portion of that.
Seems like the thing to do in this situation would be to send back Bundy, who, as a guy who can’t be optioned but needs more development time, creates roster problems for the Orioles in a way he wouldn’t for a non-competitive team like San Diego. Throwing in Jomar Reyes, a long-term project with big upside would help sweeten the deal.
Similarly, having SD take Ubaldo’s contract back to even up the Kemp money slightly would make sense for everyone involved. It’s a long shot, but it’s possible Ubaldo, if given playing time, could turn it around enough to be worth trading in the offseason or even be a QO candidate next season, given the thin market for SP. Simply as a way to take back some cash, this works tho, even if the Padres summarily DFA Ubaldo, as the net negative value of Kemp completely swamps the other pieces in the trade. Ubaldo’s money only covers a fraction of Kemp’s deal, but it’d be front-loaded to 2016-17 so the Orioles could wait until 2018 (when JJ Hardy’s deal comes off the books) before facing a payroll reckoning with Kemp’s deal.
So the trade would essentially be: Ubaldo’s corpse + Dylan Bundy + Jomar Reyes for Pomeranz + Kemp’s corpse with SD possibly also picking up some fraction of Kemp’s salary going forward.
Makes sense for both sides, I think.
After watching Bundy today vs. the Dodgers I’d respectfully disagree. Sure, he’s an injury risk given his history but all pitchers are injury risks.
He had his heater and his curveball really humming. With each appearance he looks better and the team still won’t let him use his favorite pitch, the cutter.
I may be wrong, but I think if Pomeranz is moved it will be to a team with less risky prospects and without having to pick up a “corpse” like Ubaldo who is still owed money for 2017. And San Diego would have to pay more than a fraction of Kemp’s salary since we can’t afford him otherwise. So I can’t see a trade there from either team’s perspective. But GMs always surprise me with unpredictable moves, e.g., Stewart of the DBacks.
Finally, you’d have to consider the impact of being stuck with Kemp’s contract on any possible contract extension offered to Machado. For the Orioles to keep him, it will cost them dearly.
Didn’t even think about dropping Ubaldo into this deal initially… That would certainly make the money aspect of the whole thing a lot more easy to figure out. Sure seems like Ubaldo in Petco and Kemp as a DH in Camden Yards would ‘fit’ a lot better, too.
Trading/acquiring Pomeranz makes a lot of sense for both teams. He’s got some team control left which could be attractive enough to bring back some prospects or unload a bad contract. Although I wonder if the Orioles wouldn’t be more interested in Upton seeing as how they’re currently batting Adam Jones leadoff. Upton/Kemp and Pomeranz for prospects of varying quality depending on how much contract the Orioles take on?
While I would love to see them acquire a top line starter I just don’t see them having the pieces to trade for one. The most likely place they go is trade for a proven bullpen arm and count on O’Day coming back and being the same pitcher he has been.
They have built a very good team that while it lasts will compete for a playoff spot but not a championship level team.
to 4th place
I think they need to look for an average middle of the order guy who has upside, because they cant afford an ace in prospects, but they could get a #3/4 type preferably one that has shown the upside of a #2 in recent years, or look for bad fits on rosters, like Junior Guerra on MIL who is likely to be past prime when they contend despite lots of team control.
A few names I would consider to meet the bill:
Hisashi Iwakuma
Michael Pineda
Juinor Guerra
Matt Shoemaker
Robby Ray
Dan Straily
Patrick Corbin
Tyler Chatwood
Bartolo Colon
What I expect they’ll do is acquire Drew Pomeranz who will turn into a pumpkin.
Orioles might be able to get Drew Pomeranz from the Padres for Bundy if they are willing to take on BJ’s Uptons contract. might need to throw in Rickard as well
The artist formerly known as BJ Upton has reached the point where teams might actually have to pay for the privilege to take on his full salary, so I don’t see that working.
Lmao! “The artist formerly known as B.J. Upton.” That’s exactly what I think whenever I see Melvin next to his surname nowadays.
Interesting that you come to the opposite conclusion from Dave Cameron about the Red Sox, where he concluded that it would be better for the Red Sox to add more hitting rather than address their pitching problems.
Its b/c the red sox have glaring holes in their lineup, and the Os dont.
Somebody asked that question in Dave’s chat yesterday. He said that because the Orioles don’t have a glaring need for a hitter, he wouldn’t give the same recommendation for the O’s as he did for the Red Sox.
We could have had a rotation with Tillman, Gausman, Davies, Brault, and Rodriguez 🙁