Where Kevin Pillar Tops Joey Votto

The Angels and Brewers recently made a trade, with Milwaukee ending up with Jett Bandy. I’m going to guess you didn’t linger on the deal, if you heard about it at all. It’s not a move that’s going to change the landscape of either league. But I saw an interesting tweet on Tuesday:

Jett Bandy: plus raw power! But for the most part invisible, at present. This is fairly typical scout-speak, and if you just concentrate on Bandy’s profile, there could be something there. He’s an extreme fly-ball hitter, and he stands 6’4. He turns 27 in March. He could be a really strong guy.

Thinking about the tweet, however, got me thinking about Statcast. What might we be able to learn about raw power from baseball’s new tracking technology?

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Most of us get our Statcast information from Baseball Savant, and there’s a link there to a Statcast leaderboard. It includes, of course, two years of data, and one of the columns included is maximum exit velocity. Almost all of the time, the focus is on average exit velocity. Sometimes even average exit velocity within a narrow band. But maybe that maximum can tell us something. What that really is is a hitter’s observed batted-ball-speed ceiling. Seems like that’s another way of measuring raw power.

There’s a difference between raw power and game power. Raw power is more like what a hitter can do, while game power is more like what a hitter does do. Taking a look here, over the last two seasons, there are 489 hitters with at least 100 batted balls. By maximum exit velocity, Jett Bandy actually ranks just 455th. He’s down there by names like Skip Schumaker and Zack Cozart. Bandy hasn’t really killed a ball even once. It makes you wonder.

On the other hand, again, this is a player’s observed ceiling. The smaller the sample size, the less likely it is for that observed ceiling to match the actual ceiling. The maximum holds greater significance as a player’s playing time increases, and Bandy has yet to clear 200 batted balls. The Brewers might still be on to something, and you could conceivably learn even more by tracking minor leaguers and batting practices. Reps are reps and swings are swings, right? Raw power doesn’t really have to be guessed at anymore. There are ways to have it measured.

But now let’s shift away from Bandy for a few minutes. I promised this would get to Kevin Pillar and Joey Votto. They’ve played regularly in each of the last two years, so they’ve built large sample sizes. Votto is one of the best hitters in the world! Pillar, I suppose, might also qualify as one of the best hitters in the world, but you’d have to really relax the standards. Pillar is one of the, I don’t know, 1,000 best. Votto is probably one of the 10 or 20 best. Anyway.

If you focus just on exit-velocity ceiling, Pillar gets the edge. This might surprise you. Pillar has topped out at 113 miles per hour. Here that is:

Votto, meanwhile, has topped out at 109.3 miles per hour. He has a lower observed ceiling, and while three or four ticks might not mean much to you, look at this list. Comparing Pillar and Votto since the start of 2015, Pillar owns the 12 hardest-hit batted balls. That means something! That speaks to what Pillar could, in theory, accomplish.

The big difference is in what you might call efficiency. Now, for this part, I’m using corrected Statcast information from our own Jeff Zimmerman. Actual Statcast misses about an eighth of all batted balls, most of them poorly hit. Zimmerman has tried to account for that by using estimates for those unproductive and unmeasured batted balls. The results aren’t perfect, but they’re more complete and less misleading than what Baseball Savant is presently able to publish.

I’m defining efficiency very simply: It’s just average exit velocity / maximum exit velocity. I’m not sure how much this adds, but it’s at least a new way of looking at things. The average is about 76.8%. One standard deviation is right around two percentage points.

Kevin Pillar shows up at 72.6% efficiency. That’s easily worse than average — Pillar, relatively speaking, makes a lot of imperfect contact. You knew this, but, here you go.

Joey Votto shows up at 80.7% efficiency. That’s easily better than average, and it’s another indication of how Votto makes a habit of squaring the baseball up. Though Votto’s peak exit velocity is almost four ticks lower than Pillar’s, Votto’s average exit velocity is more than six ticks higher. One of these guys is a line-drive machine. One of these guys is Kevin Pillar.

Another unsurprisingly inefficient hitter: Jonathan Schoop. Watch him hit a ball almost 115 miles per hour!

Schoop shows up at 72.7% efficiency. Anyone who’s watched him for a while knows he could obliterate any one given pitch, but most of the time, he doesn’t do that, either because his swing is just off, or because he’s gone after something out of the hitting zone. Schoop isn’t close to as good as he could be.

And some other efficient hitters: Joe Mauer, 81.5%. Ryan Howard, 81.4%. Dustin Pedroia, 80.8%. Justin Turner, 80.8%. Pedroia has shown an even lower exit-velocity maximum than Bandy, but by comparison he spends more of his time making nearly-optimal contact. That’s why Pedroia has a shot at a Hall-of-Fame career.

I’m not totally comfortable embedding longer leaderboards, because Statcast comes with certain spot-errors, and I can’t get rid of them all. For example, Jonathan Schoop’s maximum exit velocity shown on Baseball Savant is incorrect. I eliminated that data point, but I couldn’t conceivably do that for everyone. So it’s kind of a case-by-case-basis thing, and I’m not even certain this information clarifies something we didn’t know or couldn’t guess.

But at least Statcast continues to open new doors. In theory, we can start getting real readings on each player’s power maximum. And then we can see how often players hang around close to that ceiling. If you limit it to game results, it could take a while before a ceiling feels legitimate. We do, however, have time. And teams themselves have even more opportunities to gather their data. All of it’s good for something.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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scotman144Member since 2016
9 years ago

Have you looked at the “barrels” and “barrels/batted ball event” #’s for the hitters mentioned in this piece? I bet your efficiency metric would yield similar results to the barrels/batted ball event #’s.

Also presumably many minor league parks now have some equipment to capture EV’s etc: would we have any way of knowing whether Bandy hit a bunch of 110mph balls in minor league game action?

scotman144Member since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  scotman144

I took a quick glance at barrels/BBE leaders and laggards and there’s an issue with the metric:

A “barreled” batted ball only counts if has a minimum EV of (iirc) ~95mph+. Hitters like Pedroia and Eaton who are LD machines but rarely hit the ball 95+ mph put up very low barrel/BBE rates despite being elite at making square contact.

El Toro
9 years ago

Really great article Jeff. I know the Statcast data isn’t perfect but it’s interesting to look at the leaderboard for inefficent hitters and see a lot of young guys – Nomar Mazara, Wilson Contreras, Carlos Correa, and Max Kepler to name a few – who are a standard deviation or two below average. Could speak to the ceilings of these guys and what could happen if they square up more pitches.

Matt
9 years ago

Watching Pillar, at times you look at him and think that he should easily be a 20-25 HR guy or more. And then he goes half a season without hitting a HR and ends up with 7 on the year.

ryanMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Matt

He has one of the worst swings, which is frustrating because like you said has fantastic power. When I went down to watch the Jays BP a handful of times he had some of the longest HRs beating out the likes of Bautista and Tulo.

beasterMember since 2018
9 years ago
Reply to  Matt

He was also dealing with a hand injury for which he had surgery for already this off season… Might explain the power outage.

noeckerrMember since 2016
9 years ago

“Jett Bandy, for his part, not knowing his own Jeff Sullivan Efficiency Rate or even how his story would end, wandered off, feeling faintly like he had forgotten something.”

(Great piece Jeff, thanks.)

CheeseballMember since 2016
9 years ago

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JRM21
9 years ago
Reply to  Cheeseball

All it’s missing is a Youppi! reference

SucramRenrutMember since 2017
9 years ago

I think its interesting to note that both of these balls are off-speed pitches low and in. In my experience, the action of ‘dropping the barrel’ on these pitches really speeds up the bat and maximizes exit velocity but is more a confluence of events than a repeatable skill.

jsalin
9 years ago

Also, outfield defense!

LHPSU
9 years ago

We need an explanation for Ryan Howard, right now.

Pinstripe Wizard
9 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Well considering his K%+BB% was 39% last year, he produced an efficiently struck ball in 49.65% of PAs. Votto was at 53.50%. That’s nearly a 4% gap without including the differences in their BB%. So in a nutshell, he hit the ball hard but didn’t hit it often and did so into the shift.

Momus
9 years ago

Funny – when I saw the title of the article I thought “Defense? I bet it’s defense.” Heh

JaysSaskatchewan
9 years ago
Reply to  Momus

Would I be wrong to think that Pillar’s defensive stats have been helped out by having bad corner outfielders. ie: He has more opportunities to make low-probability catches with Bautista in right field.

There have been a couple of articles on ball hogging outfielders in the past on Fangraphs, that could be related in an opposite way. I could be completely wrong too 🙂

Momus
9 years ago

Well the Jays have certainly given him every opportunity to rack up “ball hogging” stats if that is the case – surrounding him with Bautista, Saunders and {shudder} Colabello in the OF over the last 2 years.

Joshua Miller
9 years ago

I love fangraphs because I can read a post about how Kevin Pillar is better than Joey Votto and find out that “Jett Bandy” is somehow a real person and see a Jonathan Schoop smash a dinger, good stuff.

mookie28Member since 2016
9 years ago

Votto is probably one of the 10 or 20 best. Anyway.

10 or 20?? I have to think he’s top 5ish… maybe Trout, Cabrera, Donaldson ?? I’m just bored.

ice_hawk10
9 years ago

Pillar will be an interesting cat to watch next season i think. last offseason he was working with that Tewksbury character in an attempt to add some power. results were very encouraging through the first part of the season, but then he had a total power outage in the second half after he tore his thumb ligament on a steal attempt (he had surgery after the season to repair it). he clearly has some bat to ball skills, so a little more pop could go a long way. he’ll always we dragged down by his poor pitch recognition, but i think he could eventually push average at the plate.

JohnHavok
9 years ago
Reply to  ice_hawk10

Maybe… but as you said, his strike zone awareness is god awful. Until he actually develops a better ball/strike eye, any hope of even being an average hitter is a pipe dream