Whose Contract Extensions Should Teams Tackle with Urgency?

Adley Rutschman
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If you look at teams with long-term stability, you’ll tend to find teams who have managed to get a lot of their best talent inked to contract extensions. When it comes to team construction, that certainty makes resolving other questions about the team a simpler matter and reduces the risk of a nasty surprise when your rival decides to spend the GDP of a small country on one of your best players in baseball. Making sure your core is locked up has been trickier since the mid-1970s, as it shockingly turned out that when you allow players to choose their employer, they may choose to find new employment! Teams as widely varying as John Hart’s 1990s Cleveland teams to today’s Braves employed these strategies as foundation of their continued success.

This year has already seen a number of key players signing long-term contracts that guarantee them healthy amounts of guaranteed cash: Corbin Carroll, Andrés Giménez, Keibert Ruiz, Miles Mikolas, Jake Cronenworth, Logan Webb, Ian Happ, Pablo López, Bryan Reynolds, and Hunter Greene have all signed deals within the last two months. Signing players now is usually better than waiting to later, so here are my eight players who teams should most urgently attempt to sign to long-term deals. For each player, I’ve included the current ZiPS-projected contract.

First off, let me address two players who you might expect to see here but who are not: Shohei Ohtani and Juan Soto. Ohtani looks like such a mega-blockbuster free agent that I’m not sure the Angels can realistically keep him from hitting the open market, and in any case, the projection would just be “all the currency that exists or ever will exist.” As for Soto, as much as it suprises me that I’m saying this, there’s enough of a question around where his ability level is right now that I think a meeting of the minds may be very difficult. The fact is that he’s a .234/.398/.437 hitter over the last calendar year, and with extremely limited defensive value, I’d actually be a little squeamish about offering him the 14-year, $440 million extension he turned down from the Nats.

Adley Rutschman, Baltimore Orioles – Six years, $141 million

Rutschman is the first player for whom the MLBPA’s new service time rule, giving the top two Rookie of the Year candidates a full year of service time, comes into play (Julio Rodríguez, Spencer Strider, and Michael Harris II all signed extensions). This means the O’s get four more years of Rutschman’s services rather than five, and a little more urgency is in order. Baltimore probably should have been in full-court press to sign him to an extension a year ago, but with Rutschman now established in the majors as one of the elite catchers and that much closer to arbitration, he’s going to be more expensive than he would be in 2022.

Ownership seems to have little interest in investing much in the team these days, but even the Rays could find the funds to guarantee Wander Franco $182 million. Baltimore never really made a serious push to extend Manny Machado pre-arbitration when it still could; it would be humiliating if the two best position players to come up through the system since Cal Ripken Jr. made the Hall of Fame without an Oriole bird on their cap on their plaques.

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ZiPS Projection – Adley Rutschman
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2024 .263 .367 .455 483 80 127 37 1 18 66 76 89 3 127 4 4.8
2025 .261 .366 .451 483 80 126 36 1 18 66 76 87 3 125 4 4.7
2026 .257 .362 .439 483 79 124 35 1 17 65 76 87 3 121 4 4.4
2027 .255 .360 .435 483 78 123 34 1 17 64 76 86 3 120 4 4.3
2028 .251 .357 .424 483 76 121 34 1 16 62 76 87 3 116 3 4.0
2029 .248 .353 .419 484 75 120 33 1 16 61 75 87 2 114 2 3.7

Julio Urías, Los Angeles Dodgers – Eight years, $186 million

There’s a good chance the Dodgers simply wait until Urías hits free agency to talk extension, but that’s an extremely risky strategy. In an alternate universe in which Walker Buehler wasn’t out with Tommy John surgery and Clayton Kershaw wasn’t seemingly on the precipice of retirement every winter, this might be a viable strategy, but Urías has been their stable rock in an increasingly turbulent pitching staff. Even though the Dodgers have a knack for finding pitchers out of nowhere, there are limits, and it’s not as if they’re woefully short on cash. And the team’s extreme care with Urías as a young player has finally paid off: he is sixth in baseball in innings pitched since the start of 2021 and has a lower ERA than any of the five pitchers ranking above him.

ZiPS Projection – Julio Urías
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2024 16 7 3.29 30 29 169.7 148 62 22 35 164 126 3.7
2025 15 7 3.40 29 28 164.0 148 62 22 33 156 122 3.4
2026 14 8 3.51 28 27 161.3 151 63 22 32 150 118 3.2
2027 14 7 3.61 28 27 154.7 149 62 22 31 141 115 2.9
2028 14 7 3.72 28 27 152.3 150 63 23 32 137 112 2.7
2029 12 8 3.88 26 24 141.3 143 61 22 30 124 107 2.2
2030 11 7 3.91 23 22 129.0 133 56 21 28 111 106 2.0
2031 10 7 4.01 21 20 116.7 122 52 19 27 98 104 1.7

Jordan Montgomery, St. Louis Cardinals – Five years, $91 million

Assuming it’s not near bedtime when you read this, close your eyes and think of the Cardinals’ rotation this year. Now imagine it without Montgomery, apparently the only starting pitcher on the team who is able to get major league batters out without Yadier Molina catching. Montgomery isn’t likely to get ace money; he’s more Sain than Spahn, but certainly better than praying for rain. And while I may be the biggest fan of Matthew Liberatore remaining, even in the best-case scenario, the Cardinals likely need to replace 300 innings worth of Adam Wainwright and Jack Flaherty this winter, and Liberatore can hardly cover that. Give Cards fans something to be happy about now and, for heaven’s sake, don’t move Monty to another position a month into his extension.

ZiPS Projection – Jordan Montgomery
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2024 10 5 3.30 28 28 155.7 146 57 16 37 131 120 3.1
2025 9 6 3.43 27 27 147.0 142 56 16 35 121 115 2.7
2026 8 6 3.58 25 25 138.3 137 55 16 34 112 110 2.3
2027 7 6 3.73 23 23 125.3 128 52 15 32 99 105 1.9
2028 7 5 3.98 22 22 120.0 128 53 16 33 92 99 1.5

Aaron Nola, Philadelphia Phillies – Six years, $103 million

Getting Nola to sign an extension has a number of stumbling blocks. First off, both he and the Phillies already called off their extension talks, and this projection isn’t drastically different from the offer that he already turned down. The other complication is that Nola is off to a weak start, and it’s more than just bad luck; ZiPS has chopped off about $13 million from this projection since the start of the year. All that being said, it’s still in the interest of the Phillies to get this done. Andrew Painter is a great prospect, but even if he’s healthy, it’s a lot to ask him to replace Nola’s production instantly. And instantly is what the Phillies need; their core is aging, and they’re at risk of 2022’s World Series appearance being the easy high-water market for this generation. This is one place the team could justifiably overpay what a projection suggests.

ZiPS Projection – Aaron Nola
Year W L S ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2024 12 8 0 3.67 29 29 179.0 160 73 20 32 184 113 3.4
2025 11 8 0 3.83 27 27 166.7 153 71 20 30 167 108 2.9
2026 9 9 0 4.06 25 25 157.3 149 71 20 29 153 102 2.4
2027 9 8 0 4.27 24 24 147.7 146 70 20 28 139 97 2.0
2028 8 9 0 4.52 23 23 141.3 146 71 21 28 128 92 1.5
2029 7 8 0 4.94 21 21 125.7 137 69 21 28 109 84 0.8

Marcus Stroman, Chicago Cubs – Four years, $98 million

Stroman is technically still signed for 2024, as he can opt out of his final salary of $21 million ($23 million if he makes it to 160 innings this year). While I agree with ZiPS that he won’t get a big boost on a per-year basis — he’s more Montgomery than Urías or Ohtani — he can certainly get better long-term security than a one-year deal if he hits the market. As the Cubs work on building the core of their next top-tier contender, Stroman should play the solid veteran no. 2 starter that Jon Lester played so well in the mid-2010s.

ZiPS Projection – Marcus Stroman
Year W L S ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2024 13 9 0 3.45 31 31 172.3 169 66 18 48 148 117 3.5
2025 12 8 0 3.55 29 29 159.7 161 63 18 45 135 114 3.1
2026 10 9 0 3.68 27 27 149.3 155 61 18 42 124 110 2.7
2027 9 9 0 3.88 26 26 134.7 143 58 17 40 109 104 2.2

Shane Bieber, Cleveland Guardians – Five years, $95 million

José Ramírez and Andrés Giménez are both locked up to extensions, and Steven Kwan is still a long way away from free agency, leaving Bieber as the most important Guardian not inked to a long-term deal. He’s not quite the pitcher he was pre-COVID, functioning as more of the crafty veteran lefty trope these days (despite being right-handed) with his fastball no longer a swing-and-miss pitch. But the combination of his cutter, slider, and knuckle-curve keep him at the top of the rotation, and Cleveland was confident enough in his health to make him one of the increasingly rare 200-inning pitchers last year. A free agent after 2024, his loss would leave a massive crater in the rotation, even in a weak division like the AL Central. This projection, like that of Nola, also reflects that he’s off to a rather poor start in 2023.

ZiPS Projection – Shane Bieber
Year W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA+ WAR
2024 10 7 3.44 28 28 172.7 156 66 21 40 171 120 3.4
2025 10 7 3.55 27 27 164.7 153 65 21 39 160 116 3.0
2026 9 7 3.73 25 25 157.0 151 65 21 38 148 111 2.6
2027 8 7 3.92 23 23 144.7 144 63 21 36 133 106 2.1
2028 7 8 4.11 22 22 140.0 144 64 21 36 125 101 1.7

Willy Adames, Milwaukee Brewers – Seven years, $219 million

A lot of shortstops have hit free agency the last few years, but after the flood of high-quality players available at the position in free agency the last two winters, the spigot has been abruptly turned off. Don’t believe me? Here are the top 20 shortstops over the next five years in ZiPS WAR and the year which they can first hit the open market.

ZiPS Projection – Top Shortstops
Player FA After
1 Trea Turner 2033
2 Carlos Correa 2028
3 Francisco Lindor 2031
4 Xander Bogaerts 2033
5 Gunnar Henderson 2028
6 Willy Adames 2024
7 Dansby Swanson 2029
8 Bo Bichette 2025
9 Anthony Volpe 2028
10 Tommy Edman 2025
11 Wander Franco 2032
12 Corey Seager 2031
13 Ha-Seong Kim 김하성 2024
14 Bobby Witt Jr. 2027
15 Oneil Cruz 2028

In other words, if the projections are correct, there’s no better shortstop available in free agency until 2028 than Adames. Bo Bichette projects at nearly the same WAR, but it still leaves a much less robust shortstop market than we’ve seen recently. Adames is a big part of Milwaukee’s offense, and the team can ill-afford to lose his power at a key defensive position.

ZiPS Projection – Willy Adames
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2024 .253 .327 .470 553 85 140 31 1 29 93 62 159 6 116 2 4.4
2025 .250 .326 .463 547 83 137 30 1 28 90 62 155 5 113 2 4.1
2026 .249 .326 .459 534 81 133 29 1 27 86 62 150 5 113 1 3.8
2027 .246 .323 .443 517 76 127 28 1 24 80 60 145 4 108 0 3.3
2028 .241 .319 .431 494 70 119 26 1 22 73 57 138 4 104 -1 2.8
2029 .237 .314 .415 465 64 110 24 1 19 66 53 131 3 98 -1 2.2
2030 .234 .313 .405 427 58 100 22 0 17 59 49 122 2 95 -2 1.8

Vinnie Pasquantino, Kansas City Royals – Seven years, $54 million

Pasquantino is not a superstar, but the Italian Breakfast has turned out to be the most developed of the team’s hitting prospects. Whit Merrifield is gone, and Salvador Perez is entering his mid-30s, and as the Royals continue to shift away from the last of their World Series winning roster, Pasquantino should spend the next five or six years hitting in the middle of the order. Locking him up now keeps him at a Royals-friendly price throughout his likely prime years.

ZiPS Projection – Vinnie Pasquantino
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2024 .273 .353 .474 527 70 144 36 2 22 82 62 77 2 125 0 2.5
2025 .271 .354 .465 535 72 145 36 1 22 82 65 76 2 123 0 2.5
2026 .269 .353 .458 535 71 144 36 1 21 80 66 75 2 121 0 2.4
2027 .267 .351 .451 528 69 141 35 1 20 78 65 73 2 119 0 2.2
2028 .266 .350 .446 516 66 137 34 1 19 74 64 72 1 117 0 2.0
2029 .265 .350 .444 498 63 132 33 1 18 70 62 70 1 117 0 1.9
2030 .262 .345 .432 474 58 124 31 1 16 65 58 67 1 113 0 1.5





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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J. Paquin
3 years ago

No Vlad Jr.? I thought he’d be a shoo-in for this article. Maybe Bo too, but he just locked in 3 years.

J. Paquin
3 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Ah thanks, I’ll look that article up.

section144
3 years ago

Thought Mitch Keller would be in this article. He’s been disgusting his last 30 starts.

section144
3 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Especially after the stunt he pulled last night!

JimMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  section144

A shutout.

section144
3 years ago
Reply to  Jim

CG shutout. First Bucco to pull off that feat since Jamo, April 8, 2018.

Jacob SnyderMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  section144

First Bucco to pull that off since Artie

Ron MasztakMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  section144

i had the exact same thought…

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 years ago

Would love to see an “age” column in projections like these for easier sanity checking.

As far as the extensions: my gut says they’re very low on the starters, as the market appears to have developed this year. If I were Bieber or Nola’s agent I’d hang up the phone on those offers and take the player straight to free agency.

jb1245
3 years ago

Yeah, $100 million seems super low for Nola.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  jb1245

I see it just the opposite. He looks like a nearly 30 year old pitcher who is not striking out 1/inning this year. The chance that he is the next Bumgarner is simply too much to ignore.

rosen380
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Through age 29 he was looking at 29.9 career fWAR and 1228 IP

1962 onward there were 11 other SPs within +/-15% of that fWAR, and IP through age 29.

Here are those 11 with their age 31-36 fWAR

33.2 Max Scherzer
30.2 Roy Halladay
23.9 David Cone
13.2 Kevin Millwood
6.4 Josh Beckett
5.2 Johan Santana
1.3 Jered Weaver
0.0 Brandon Webb
-0.4 Tim Lincecum

5.0 Gerrit Cole (2023-2027)
0.0 Stephen Strasburg (2023-2025)

Cole looks well on his way to be in the mix with the top two or three there, while Strasburg seems like he has a pretty decent chance of being towards the bottom.

Millwood’s outcome would probably be deemed around fair value for 6/$103M, so I suppose about a 36% chance that it is fair or a bargain for the team and 64% that it is a virtual disaster for the team (putting Cole in the former and Strasburg in the latter).

Figure Cole at 33 fWAR and Strasburg at 5 fWAR (which I think is generous for both) and we’re looking at an average of 13.7 fWAR, right in the “fair market value” territory.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  rosen380

That is good analysis and just about how I look at it. I know I don’t make a bet when the odds are that unfavorable.

synco
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

He’s been a stud for the last 5+ years who has had a bad month. I think we can wait a little longer before we write him off.

Last edited 3 years ago by synco
bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  synco

i didn’t say it was time to write him off but he needs to show something more throughout the ROS to be considered a candidate for a big long term contract. The clues, which may be nothing but mirages, are beginning to show up.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 years ago

All depends on how Bieber’s arm feels. He seems to have been in decline for a couple years, so if there’s a physical reason for that they should take the money and run. If he can show flashes of a couple years ago, then yeah, he’s worth way more.

synco
3 years ago

Yeah there’s zero chance Nola is taking $100m.

On the flipside, I would be surprised if Stroman gets that money.

Last edited 3 years ago by synco
Dmjn53
3 years ago

Surely that’s a typo on Nola, who’s 5 months away from free agency. $17m AAV is less than what they just gave to a #4 starter in Taijuan Walker

baubo
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Yeah, I know he’s off to a bad start and I don’t know if he will be someone who gets paid and then decline, but I have to think someone will at least give him Carlos Rodon money in FA and no reason for him to settle for anything less.

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

His durability? His record of success? I think you get him for six at $25m at minimum. I agree with Baubo that Rodon money is right.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

The pitcher who put up 6.3 fWAR last year and is projected by ZiPS to put up 3.6 fWAR this year is going to get a whole lot more than Marcus f’ing Stroman in his age 33 season. A whole lot more.

David Albert
3 years ago

I’ve heard a lot of Mets fans saying the Mets should extend Pete Alonso, but his lack of inclusion here makes me think you’re of a similar mind to myself: Large, slugging first basemen seem to have a sharper drop off after 30 than other players.

BenZobrist4MVP
3 years ago

I am really surprised that Wander Franco is below Edman, Adames, Henderson, and Volpe in WAR projection the next 5 years.

CC AFCMember since 2016
3 years ago

If I’m Rutschman, I’d not be interested in signing away one free agent year on an extension. I either want to get to free agency ASAP (he’ll get there at age 30 as it stands, if I’m looking at it correctly) or I want a lot more guaranteed over more years to forego that possibility.

I just wouldn’t want to push my free agency any further given the ever-present possibility of catchers breaking down. Either get to free agency or get a big, long payday like Mauer or Posey.

TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

This contract is a bit weird. What’s he getting the next four years? $1M next year and what in 3 years of arbitration? I’d think $40M would be a high guess. That would put the two free agent years at $50M each.

That might be worth taking. He’d get the huge payday Posey and Mauer got, but would position himself for another if he ages well.

Lanidrac
3 years ago

Adames is a good player, but he’s not a superstar worth over $200M like most of the other recent marquee SS free agents! He’s like Tommy Edman with a little more offense and a little less defense, yet you wouldn’t think of giving Edman $200M if he were a free agent this offseason. Adames should consider himself lucky if he gets anywhere near $100M over 5 years at most.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I could see him getting Dansby Swanson money.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I agree that Adames doesn’t feel like a $200M kind of player, I did a double take on that, but neither did Swanson to me.

As shortstops with similar value that will be about the same age when they hit the market, it wouldn’t shock me to see Adames get $200M with a couple years of inflation and a thinner FA SS market than Swanson faced.

fanofthemanMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to believe that both Adames and Edman are meaningfully better than Swanson, and he just got $177/7. Edman and Adames both have as many or more seasons over 3 wins as Swanson, in fewer seasons.

Lanidrac
3 years ago
Reply to  fanoftheman

Much of that is because WAR overrates defensive value, though. Front offices just don’t spend as much on defense (aside from catchers) as WAR suggests they should, nor should they actually do so.

Also, just because Swanson got lucky and was vastly overpaid doesn’t mean it’s likely that similar players will get just as lucky on the open market.

Last edited 3 years ago by Lanidrac
tung_twista
3 years ago

Urias has not been consistent this season, but Boras would laugh at $186M/8 years ($23M AAV) given that it covers his age 27-34 season when Rodon just received $162M/6 years ($27M AAV) for his age 30-35 season with all his injury concerns. 

Similar with Nola. Barring serious injury, ~$150M would be the starting point of negotiation in free agency.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

well Rodon was coming off a 6 win season, which Urias has never had

Dan GreerMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

I’m of the opinion that fWAR underrates Urias more than any other pitcher in baseball.

catmanwayne
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Urias only has two full seasons as a starting pitcher. Currently at age 26, and he has averaged about 4 fWAR in 2021-22 (5 fWAR and 3.2 fWAR, respectively) He has way more arm bullets than Rodon, without the multiple years of shoulder injuries and surgeries. It’s quite possible he finds another gear and reaches that elite tier once he signs that next contract, whether it’s an extension or a free agent deal.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

My brief reactions to these:

Rutschman: The Orioles should do this in a heartbeat. For Rutschman, I think he should hold out for Wander Franco-level guarantees. And I think that would be fair, and I think the Orioles would and should do it.

Urias: I am pretty well convinced he is going to get more than that in free agency but I certainly would not do this if I were a team. These sorts of magic “beating your xERA” shenanigans are way harder to pull off without shifts. Urias is going to disappoint you.

Montgomery: I would do this if I were the Cardinals, but only if I’m also going hard after Giolito or E-Rod when free agency hits. This team needs to fix its starting rotation…and if you’re not going to go try, why bother?

Aaron Nola: That’s like half of what I would expect him to get in free agency, so absolutely no way is he doing this. The Phillies signed Taijuan Walker to a deal that was like 70% of this.

Marcus Stroman: That’s a lot of money for a guy who is a worse pitcher than the last time he hit free agency. I know that they gave a huge deal to Taillon but that doesn’t mean you have to make another bad decision on top of that.

Shane Bieber: Something is wrong with Bieber. He is just not striking people out anymore. I think he’s trade bait if someone believes in his ERA without looking at the peripherals, and otherwise I think you just let him play out his contract in Cleveland.

Willy Adames: The Brewers would never do that. I’m not sure any team would do that. I think that a Javier Baez-type contract is legitimately on the table as an extension, and a Dansby Swanson-type contract is possible in free agency. But more than that? That’s nuts.

Pasquantino: If the Royals aren’t spending their money on a modest extension for him, why even bother at all? He’s their only good player.

Shirtless George Brett
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Pasquantino: If the Royals aren’t spending their money on a modest extension for him, why even bother at all? He’s their only good player.

I think the argument would be that they arent really gaining much by extending him right now. Sure they could sign him to a modest extension and it would be fine but also they could just wait a couple years and not much will change. He is basically a DH so his value is pretty capped (even ZiPS doesnt have him surpassing 3 fWAR any season). If they extend him now or extend him later its probably similar cost so why not just wait and see.

Lanidrac
3 years ago

Like with relief pitchers, actual front offices generally value DHs more than WAR does.

Shirtless George Brett
3 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I would love to see your evidence to support that. I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m just not really able to think of an example of 2-3ish WAR 1B/DH (which is what Vinnie is) getting paid significantly more than you would expect. In fact ALOT of those guys struggle to stay employed.

Seriously, go look at the leaderboards from 2019 and sort it by DH. Count how many of those guys are still productive players or even in the league today.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Something might be wrong with Bieber but I don’t think he’s signing that contract as long as his run prevention is elite (2.61 ERA counting tonight’s ongoing start).

And even with his Ks down, he still has a low HR allowed rate and low walk rate. So he’s making it work.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago

I’ll add that he’s also on a streak of 28 starts in which he’s pitched at least 5 innings. There’s definite added value in a pitcher who can save the bullpen from overwork.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

Do we think someone out there who believes the smoke and mirrors enough to give him more than $90M in free agency? Unless his peripherals recover in his walk year I don’t see it. I see pillow deals in his future if he wants more than that.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Obviously if a physical turns up issues with his arm, that’s one thing.

Otherwise, I think teams will pay for him. I think they care more about results than peripherals. Even in a “down year”, he’s sporting a 2.61 ERA and a 3.63 FIP, and is 2nd in the AL in innings pitched. On top of that, he has a 6 year track record of success with only one ERA/FIP above 4.00 (4.55 ERA his rookie season).

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Bieber is trade bait by fall if all goes well for Cleveland…
…July if not.
Even without Espino the pipeline is still churning them out. And if they need to trade for a power bat he’s the only bait that can bring one.

stareagleMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Montgomery: I would do this if I were the Cardinals, but only if I’m also going hard after Giolito or E-Rod when free agency hits. This team needs to fix its starting rotation…and if you’re not going to go try, why bother?

Someone is going to trade for and extend E-Rod sooner rather than later. The Tigers might as well rip the bandage off now instead of waiting until he gets hurt.

Carson Kahla
3 years ago

Based on the pitching market in recent offseasons Nola or Bieber signing those deals would be malpractice by their agents.

Travis LMember since 2016
3 years ago

Pretty wild that Adley is in decline, according to ZiPS!

johndarc
3 years ago

Montgomery signed with Boras Corp a season or two ago. My pet theory is that he and Cole were really close on the Yankees and he realized Boras was the way to go.

My point is that he is unlikely to take that sort of extension without at least seeing what he can garner on the open market. Maybe I’m wrong and he’s like Lance McCullers Jr, a Boras client who took a team friendly extension with the Astros, but that’s the exception, not the rule. I don’t think Gumby jumps to Boras Corp a year or two before his free agency for no reason.

It’s a good offer, but you never know. Maybe someone else will match/raise the offer.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  johndarc

I don’t think that’s a particularly team-friendly extension but in the context of Taijuan Walker getting $68M or whatever he got, maybe it is.

johndarc
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And Gumby is much healthier than Taijuan ever has been. I can’t think of any starts he’s missed other than when he got hurt and had TJS.

Kevbot034
3 years ago

Feels like a significant overpay for Stroman, but he’s also likely to age quite well since he isn’t a dominating guy. I don’t know, that one just jumped out to me.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 years ago

I think Cleveland is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to Bieber. They kind of have to sign him, but they can’t be excited about committing that sort of years and dollars to a guy who (while still successful) feels like he could drop off a cliff at any moment.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

I don’t think they have to sign him. He’s clearly on the downswing; his stuff (per both Stuff+ and PitchingBot) are a tick below average, and he’s not striking out guys anymore.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I mistakenly thought this was his walk year. Yeah, I’m with you. I would let him play it out.

(Of course, as I type this he pitched a pretty good game tonight 6IP, 1BB, 9K)

Last edited 3 years ago by soddingjunkmail
sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

If his stuff returns it’s obviously a very different story.

rburgh
3 years ago

Mitch Keller. If you ran a projection based on his last 30 starts you’d think the Pirates should do this too.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  rburgh

Mitch Keller is pitching like a legit 1.

rzbzadraMember since 2025
3 years ago

Was Will Smith on last years list as well?

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  rzbzadra

I believe he was excluded due to the dustup with Chris Rock

billysbeans
3 years ago

The Urias numbers make sense for both but I don’t know if either would agree to that. The Dodgers don’t want to give pitchers 8 years and Boras is testing FA no matter what.

I’m guessing SD replaces Snell with either Ohtani or more likely Urias this offseason.

Great article and I think your numbers represent a good middle ground between the two sides.

Mike NMN
3 years ago

No Aaron Hicks? Bummer

shaq_diesel
3 years ago

Taylor Walls. They’ve cost themselves 100 million this month.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

What kind of line would someone have to put up to change their projected contract by 100 million?? 15 HR? 3 WAR in a month?

darren
3 years ago

If I’m Bieber or Nola, I’m looking for Rodon money (maybe more for Nola) or I’m hitting the market. Maybe they won’t quite get that but I’d be really surprised if they signed for 5/95 or 6/103 respectively.

pittsburghbob69
3 years ago

Mitch Keller and Oneil Cruz.???

calkal1994
3 years ago

Framber Valdez and Kyle Tucker should be on this list. And Yordan Alvarez+Cristian Javier should be on the list of young stars who signed team friendly extensions. Without those 4 players the Astros would be near the bottom of the pack this year.

sogoodlooking
3 years ago

Montgomery in line for a contract almost identical to that proposed for Bieber?

Is there anyone in the audience who would prefer Montgomery, at those prices?

—“If you look at teams with long-term stability, you’ll tend to find teams who have managed to get a lot of their best talent inked to contract extensions.”

I suspect you’ll also tend to find a significant number of teams who have hobbled themselves in the attempt.

JimmieFoxxalorianMember since 2020
3 years ago

Alex Verdugo is feeling overlooked

Sandy Kazmir
3 years ago

Hey Dang, love your work, but Steamer has Julio Urías for a 3.99 ERA this year and you have him for a 4.10 10 years from now. This doesn’t make sense.

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sourbob
3 years ago

As a Cub fan, I’d love to keep Stroman, but the extension I would prioritize is Justin Steele.

Last night Steele just had his worst start since July 28 of last year.

He allowed three earned runs in six innings.

Literally, a quality start counts as an off day for that guy. People are sleeping on him.

mike sixelMember since 2016
3 years ago

Sonny Gray…….

That’s quite the fall for Nola, who was on my wish list before the season started.

RonnieDobbs
3 years ago

I would bet you that almost all of these would turn out to be bad deals.

bstoleMember since 2020
3 years ago

You can only have one: Stroman (32), Montgomery (30), or Bieber (27). Very obviously, you take Bieber, right? Even if he hasn’t looked the same. Bieber not looking the same looks a lot like Stroman at his absolute best.