Willy Adames is Headed to Milwaukee

Since before the start of the season, the Rays have telegraphed their willingness to move Willy Adames. It wasn’t so much in what they said — in that they didn’t say much of anything — but two factors made it a nearly foregone conclusion. First, the Rays are *loaded* at shortstop in the upper minors. Second, the Rays don’t compete by letting surplus talent rot on the vine. Adames will be eligible for arbitration after this year, so his presence on the major league roster blocked those cheaper minor leaguers.

It was just a matter of getting past the Super-Two deadline and some team meeting their asking price. On Friday, both of those factors lined up: the Rays have traded Adames and Trevor Richards to the Brewers in exchange for Drew Rasmussen and J.P. Feyereisen, as MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand first reported.

The Brewers need a shortstop badly. They’re 21–22 so far this year, four games back in the NL Central, and lackluster performance at shortstop has held them back. Luis Urías is an intriguing talent, but he’s hitting .221/.313/.327 since joining Milwaukee last year, good for a measly 78 wRC+. He’s also stretched defensively at the position: He’s a natural second baseman playing shortstop to accommodate first Keston Hiura and now Kolten Wong.

Urías is talented enough that it would feel weird to trade for a shortstop only to stash him on the bench, but that won’t be the case in Milwaukee. Adding Adames will set off a cascade of moves that should help bandage the team’s dicey infield defense. Though Urías is a natural second baseman, he can also play third, where Travis Shaw currently starts. That lets Shaw move over to first base, where Hiura’s slow start and eventual demotion has created yet another hole.

This multi-position rearrangement works because of Adames. He’s off to a slow start offensively this year, and his 35.9% strikeout rate continues a recent worrisome trend, but he’s a better defensive shortstop than Urías, and given the infield’s overall offensive struggles, it’s hard to fault the Brewers for choosing defense. With the exception of Wong, Adames’s batting line fits right in:

Brewers Infield Options
Player K% BB% BABIP OBP SLG wRC+
Willy Adames 35.9% 7.0% .276 .254 .371 78
Keston Hiura 36.0% 6.7% .239 .247 .266 47
Daniel Vogelbach 21.7% 13.2% .242 .311 .348 84
Kolten Wong 14.4% 8.3% .309 .348 .402 108
Luis Urías 25.0% 13.6% .250 .317 .359 87
Travis Shaw 26.0% 9.1% .258 .292 .372 85

It’s a gruesome unit in the aggregate, and Adames almost has to help; even if he doesn’t start hitting better, you’ll hardly be surprised to know that having him play defense instead of Vogelbach increases the defensive capability of the unit as a whole. The team will still be able to run out a lefty-heavy lineup with Shaw and Vogelbach at the infield corners when they want offense, but I expect the defense-first unit to get a fair bit of playing time.

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For this trade to work, though, Adames can’t keep hitting the way he has this year. He struck out quite a bit last year (36.1%) but still put up a solid offensive line thanks to a .388 BABIP and good power numbers: 15 doubles and eight homers in only 205 plate appearances. That didn’t feel sustainable, obviously, but neither does this year’s rough performance feel representative of his true talent.

Adames has been extremely aggressive so far this year, swinging at a career-high rate in every zone. He’s also become a low-contact hitter: After putting up roughly league-average contact metrics until last year, he faded in a big way. Since the start of 2020, he’s made contact on only 63.2% of his swings, the fifth-worst mark in the majors. That’s Javier Baez (or, sadly, Keston Hiura) territory, which helps explain why his strikeouts went from elevated to ghastly.

As is so often the case, this change hasn’t happened in isolation. As he’s missed more often, he’s also done more damage when he connects. His barrel rate, hard-hit rate, and expected slugging rate are all at career highs this year, and he’s hitting a staggering 69.1% of his batted balls in the air, a top-ten mark in the majors.

How did he turn into a feast-or-famine (and mostly famine this year) slugger? You might think it’s his cartoonish, Wario-esque leg kick, which he showed here in taking Taylor Hearn out of the park:

Seriously, look how high his leg is with the ball already out of Hearn’s hand:

Just one problem: that’s not a new development. Here’s a 2019 home run:

But it hasn’t always been the case. Here’s his first major league home run, off of Chris Sale in 2018:

Maybe it’s the leg kick. Maybe it’s something else. Whatever it is, his current power output isn’t making up for his 19.4% swinging-strike rate. The Brewers surely hope he’ll be able to get back to his earlier contact and batted ball profile, and hey, as mentioned, there’s hardly a high offensive bar to clear in Milwaukee.

In Tampa, on the other hand, shortstop was getting crowded. Wander Franco, the best prospect in the game, is hitting well at Triple-A Durham. Vidal Brujan, who we project as more of a second baseman but who can handle short in a pinch, is off to a torrid .333/.429/.650 start. Taylor Walls is the best of the bunch defensively, and he’s also swinging a hot bat in Durham. He’ll get the first crack at it; the Rays have already called him up in the wake of the trade.

More importantly from their perspective, the bullpen cupboard was getting bare. The Rays have an entire team of pitchers on the IL: Chris Archer, Yonny Chirinos, Luis Patiño, Michael Wacha, Nick Anderson, Jalen Beeks, Oliver Drake, Chris Mazza, Colin Poche, Cody Reed, and Chaz Roe are all out of commission at the moment. Some of those injuries happened last year, but the point remains: they’re struggling to cobble together enough innings.

It’s not so much a quality issue: Tampa Bay is still among the best ten teams in the league in pitching WAR. It’s more of a quantity issue; at some point, there simply aren’t enough bodies to fill out a major league roster, particularly given that only one of their five starters is averaging six innings per start — Tyler Glasnow, naturally enough.

Feyereisen and Rasmussen will reinforce the Tampa bullpen with more of what it’s become known for: an endless pile of swings and misses. Feyereisen, a former Yankees farmhand whom the Brewers acquired in 2019, has a 16.8% swinging-strike rate since debuting in 2020. He picked up a new changeup in the offseason, and it’s been nearly unhittable: Batters are coming up empty on 60% of their swings against it.

That aside, he’s a classic reliever archetype: a riding four-seamer that batters swing under, paired with a slider he throws in the mid 80s. He’s struggled with control so far this year, walking 14.3% of opposing batters, but he absolutely has the stuff to succeed; it’s just a matter of hitting the zone to set up either a slider or changeup to end things.

Rasmussen, meanwhile, has always felt like a Rays pitcher. He started in the minors but pitched a limited workload in those starts, largely due to his checkered injury history. He sits in the upper 90s and can touch 100 with his fastball, though it doesn’t have the plus ride that makes Feyereisen’s version of the pitch play up. He complements that with a slider (and two rarely-seen offerings, a curve and changeup).

Like Feyereisen, Rasmussen has struggled with his command of late. In his brief major league career, he’s walked 14.2% of opposing batters, though he’s struck out an impressive 31.1%. He has all the tools — if he can harness them. His short-stint starts also fit perfectly with Tampa Bay, a team that uses that strategy to great effect. Both Rasmussen and Feyereisen could be workhorses — or they might never throw enough strikes to make it work.

Though Adames was the headliner of the deal, the two sides agreed that he wasn’t *quite* worth Feyereisen and Rasmussen on his own. So the Rays threw in Richards, a swingman they acquired as part of the Nick Anderson deal in 2019, to complete the trade. Richards never found a consistent role in Tampa: he started a little, relieved a little, and generally papered over whatever cracks the team had in its ever-shifting pitching plans.

Unlike the two arms leaving Milwaukee, Richards doesn’t blow opponents away with his fastball. He sat around 90 mph as a starter, though he’s added a few ticks of velocity in a multi-inning relief role this year. His best pitch might be a diving changeup that he throws 30% of the time. With the Brewers losing two relief arms as part of this trade, they too were getting stretched there — Justin Topa, Bobby Wahl, and Eric Yardley are all on the IL at the moment — so getting a reliever that Tampa Bay no longer planned to use squared the trade up for everyone.

This trade makes a lot of sense, in my eyes, for both teams. The Brewers needed to do something about their infield, because their current configuration wasn’t working. Adames could use a change of scenery, but even if he doesn’t pick it up at the plate, he’s very likely a better defender than Urías, and the knock-on effects across the infield are useful as well.

The Rays needed more pitching, and they also needed to move Adames. They simply have too many minor leaguers coming up, and they weren’t going to pay him in arbitration. They surely wish they could have cashed him in when he wasn’t slumping, but they’re getting what they need, right this minute, in two bullpen arms, and with Walls filling in, they might not lose anything at shortstop either. Overall, this is a workmanlike trade for both sides, one that fixes issues across the board without undue risk by either team.





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sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

So the critical piece of information that I didn’t see mentioned–maybe it’s in there, and I missed it–is that Willy Adames has had absolutely brutal home-road splits. He can’t hit at all in Tampa Bay and it’s been like this since 2019. Someone previously pointed out to me that he has had some serious vision problems with glare in his home stadium. If this is really the issue, then moving to a new stadium could fix him. If the Brewers get him playing to his ZiPs projection–which looks a bit like Adames’ 2019–then you have a 3-win player even while running a low OBP simply because it’s hard to find competent defenders at shortstops. That seems entirely plausible to me, and so it seems like a good gamble.

It’s mostly a good gamble because, despite the interesting stuff with JP Feyereisen and Drew Rasmussen (who, btw, was actually drafted by the Rays previously, so if he seems like a Rays guy that’s because he almost was) neither of them are particularly good at throwing strikes. The Rays and Brewers both love guys like this–the Pete Fairbanks / Ray Black archetype–but they’re not particularly consistent. You have to be an absolute monster with getting swings and misses for the whole package to work. It’s still a decent deal for the Rays in the present context because Adames doesn’t have a ton of value right now and wasn’t going to improve his stock playing half his games in Tampa. Feyereisen is probably not a super high-leverage guy but he’s least a middle relief arm. That’s something.

MikeD
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

His home-road splits are startling. I’m not sure I’ve seen anything like it. He can’t hit at home, and is an All-Star on the road. It’s over multiple seasons. It’s not SSS theater. Milwaukee picked up a star if he hits like he did on the road.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeD

Willy Adames, until yesterday, was my favorite example of why the MLB trade market is wildly inefficient. Because Willy Adames, apparently because of his eyesight, cannot hit at all in the Rays’ home ballpark. He is the textbook definition of a player who (probably) has more value to a team other than them because he will literally perform better anywhere else. If the MLB trade market was efficient he would have changed addresses this offseason. But for whatever reason–the Rays being stubborn is most likely, although why is a mystery–he stayed put.

I’m going to need a new best example of this. Dominic Smith, Pete Alonso, and JD Davis all being on the same team without a DH is probably the next-best one, because for whatever reason teams don’t want to trade any prospect of value for a first baseman unless they’re 2018 Paul Goldschmidt. Despite all of the hype about baseball becoming more economics-oriented and looking for value almost every team has stubborn tendencies because they’re outside of their game plan. The Rays are no exception, and in fact may be even more stubborn than the average.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeD

All that said, I have a hard time believing that he’s really going to light up like he did on the road once he leaves the Rays. He has a .384 BABIP on the road. But if he’s a league-average hitter, which seems totally plausible if you deflate that BABIP number / look at his projections. And that would be a very good deal for the Brewers.

Dawson Highland
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Re: vision problems in the Trop, check out this TB Times article from last year: https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2020/09/11/rays-willy-adames-trying-glasses-to-boost-home-numbers/

sogoodlooking
5 years ago

Makes me wonder if the Rays aren’t finagling their park and building a pitching staff around it, where the cost is a guy like Adames who can’t adjust to the induced glare.

szakylMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Replied to the wrong comment.

sogoodlooking
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Well, we know Adames isn’t going to maintain his .384 road BABIP, accumulated in about one season worth of PA (632, to be exact). He profiles as a hitter much more like his home BABIP of .297, in 622 PA.

My bet is that he’s much more the player we see at home, and that he has simply had an awful lot of luck in one season of PA on the road.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

But his 1st Half/2nd Half splits are almost as extreme as his Home/Away, do you really think he’s also genuinely a much better player from mid-July on?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  tbwhite67

Not nearly as big–it’s 76 to 130 vs 89 to 119. That’s a gap of 30 vs 54!

Furthermore, the Brewers play 50% of their games in the first half of the season and 50% of their games in the second half of the season (just like the Rays), as opposed to something like 0% of their games at the Trop vs 100% of their games not at the Trop (unlike the Rays). So if this is real, it shouldn’t affect his performance going from one team to the next.

And even beyond that, if this is true, then the Brewers got a steal at least partly because they traded for Adames before he hit the mid-year break.

This is before we address whether it is real or not. Do you have a theory why this could be true? Adames is on record saying he can’t see the ball at the Trop. Could be interesting, although you’d have to find a way to show that it isn’t being thrown off by him being called up after certain super two deadlines, missing time for injury, general seasonality effects because of temperature, etc.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I do not have a theory why he would actually be a better player in the 2nd Half, and I do not believe it is true. That is my point. Despite a seemingly large sample size, this large probably random disparity exists. The most likely explanation for the home/road difference is that it is just noise too. It’s great that he says the can’t see the ball in TB, but did he arrive there saying that, or did he start saying that AFTER he had been struggling for a while. This all sounds like small sample size storytime to me.

Slappytheclown
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The park is the issue. When I go to the stadium I cannot pick up the ball either and after awhile the glare begins to give me a headache. Could be certain eye types? I don’t know why but I believe it and I’m sure he’ll be much better off somewhere else.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

On a side note: There is no reason to keep a guy who is coming off a season where he miraculously posted a batting line 24% above league average thanks to an absurd BABIP but can’t actually hit in your home park. I don’t know whether they thought they could fix him but it doesn’t take a particularly insightful analyst to say “hey, this is probably not the best shortstop in our organization right now. and his trade value is only going down from here” The Reds would probably would have given them a lot more than this in the offseason. Maybe other teams too.

I can’t help but think that a lot of the reason was because Adames is cheap and if Walls started the year in the majors it would eat away at team control. But Walls is very likely better than Adames and he was already on the 40-man. From a winning perspective and a trade return perspective they likely would have been in a better place if they had just done this already. The deal they made now is probably a good deal for him in the present context but I just can’t see it as a win in the big picture.

casey jMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree, but I don’t think the Rays had as much of a reason to assume Adames would start this season as poor as he did with the bat. Adames, road OPS, 2019: .903… 2020: 1.008… 2021: .690. I think it was a pretty decent gamble that Adames would start his age 25 season doing better with the stick. Its possible that Adames felt some of this extra pressure as well. I think he’ll get it going in Milwaukee.

OkraMember since 2016
5 years ago

I like this trade for both teams, but I am surprised that neither the A’s or Reds would top this package for Adames.

MikeD
5 years ago
Reply to  Okra

I had the same thought, although the Rays are very specific in what they want when dealing. It may be that neither the Reds or the A’s could match the two right arms Milwaukee provided, or didn’t want to part with what the Rays requested.

casey jMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Okra

The Seattle Mariners could really use an additional quality, cost=controlled, up the middle player as well. But they are commited to trying to win this year. I imagine one Graveman might have got it done. Id rather have the player (Adames). Sorry, thinking like an M’s fan.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Okra

So despite all the accolades, I do not believe that David Stearns is a star general manager. He’s fine, probably an average GM in the current front office context in terms of scouting, development, trades, free agency. And he’s certainly had his wins, but he’s had his fair share of mistakes. The one area where he is in the top 2 or 3 is admitting that things didn’t work out the way he expected and changing course. This is an example of that.

Beyond that, it’s worth noting that both the A’s and the Reds have owners who put a lot of restrictions on the front office. This is how the ill-considered Eugenio Suarez-at-shortstop move happened, and how the A’s settled on Elvis Andrus (!!!) as a shortstop. Both of these moves were obviously not going to cut it. But ownership wouldn’t give them the resources to actually fix the problems. Maybe they’ve changed course now but who knows.

Bartolo Cologne
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

As a Padres fan, the Grisham and Davies for Lauer and Urias trade was a real headscratcher for me at the time and looks even worse since. When I saw it I thought, “Wait, the Padres are always supposed to get the objectively short end of the trade stick. What’s going on here?” Lauer has always been clearly worse than Davies (who AJ Preller ended up being able to flip for Yu Darvish?!?!?) and I thought Grisham was marginally better than Urias, although it’s starting to look like he might actually be WAY better. Anyway, I don’t follow Stearns’ moves closely, but the Padres trade was not a good one.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

That was almost certainly his worst move. I thought the Brewers came out slightly ahead there but it turns out that Grisham is a guy who can start at center field for 25 teams in MLB and Urias is a backup. The Will Smith for Phil Bickford deal is probably #2. Other not great ones are Segura for Chase Anderson, Villar for Schoop, and Khris Davis for Jacob Nottingham. But he also nabbed guys like Freddy Peralta, Travis Shaw, and Christian Yelich in trades.

Stearns is probably going to be ahead on this count for a while thanks to the Yelich trade but if you look at almost any GM’s trade record you’re going to find a lot of bad to cancel out the good (and vice-versa). It is really, really hard to stay much above the average on trades. The real successes and failures come from amateur acquisition and player development. I think the one guy whose record is way above average right now is Rick Hahn, who IIRC didn’t really get full control until after the disastrous Shields-for-Tatis deal but gets to count Lucas Giolito, Yoan Moncada, Dane Dunning, Michael Kopech, and Eloy Jimenez.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  Okra

Or Pittsburgh who really needs a SS and has actually good RP.

Chili Davis Eyes
5 years ago

This scenario assumes the Pirates are actively trying to win. Recent history suggests such an assumption may be unwarranted.

rubesandbabes
5 years ago
Reply to  Okra

The A’s are short of relievers and Elvis has not left the building.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Okra

A’s have no pitching depth from which to trade. Puk, Jefferies, Wendelken are all DL hence Cole Irvin and Deolis Guerra and a bunch of blowout losses. They also have a pretty weak farm system after Soderstrom unless you want lower minors types. They’re a better trade partner for a rebuilding team

RobM
5 years ago

The Rays are definitely recharging their pen, while also keeping an eye on the Yankees heavy righty lineup. Feyereisen and Rasmussen will help them there. I do have a feeling giving up Adames for two relievers of the moment may not look as great in retrospect, but it should help them this year. The Rays are dealing from strength. They can afford to give up a starting SS with Walls in reserve, and oh yeah, some guy name Wander in the on-deck circle.

OkraMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  RobM

I do agree that Adames will very likely produce more WAR than these 2 RPs combined over the next three years. But I also think Feyereisen and Rasmussen will be the better value. The Rays will be paying each the league minimum the next three years and Adames is entering arbitration.

Also, this is probably the best the Rays were going to do since the trade market for Adames was limited to basically just the Brewers, Reds, and A’s since every other team either has a shortstop better than Adames or is not in the market for an upgrade currently.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  RobM

Taylor Walls is fantastic. If I were the Rays I would have started him at the beginning of the season, and I was a different team he was the guy I would have targeted if the Rays wanted a guy on my team. With him scorching the ball at AAA the cat’s out of the bag now. Even though Adames has a shot to be really good in a new context I think the Rays’ production at this position is going to go way up.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Walls is striking out 29% of the time at AAA this year.
Not sure if it’s a change in approach to tap into more power but I’m skeptical he’ll be anything more than a strong defender who can work some ABs. I’d have been higher on him if the ball was still juiced.

OkraMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Meh. Walls has a .483 BABIP and 29% strikeout rate. He should be a good defender but I wouldn’t get too excited about the offense.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Okra

He’s not likely to be better than league average at the plate, and might be worse. But compared to the guy who can’t seem to hit in the stadium where he played half his games I think he’ll be a noticeable upgrade.

dodgerbleu
5 years ago
Reply to  Okra

I don’t get the complete dismissal. It’s 62 plate appearances. If he gets dinged for his 29% K rate, does he get credit for his 21% BB rate? If he gets dinged for his .483 BABIP, does he get credit for his 0% IFFB rate?

Walls was solidly above average with the bat in AA in 2019. That very strong baseline and alternate site work last year should matter more than his peripherals that haven’t stabilized yet in 62 plate appearances.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  dodgerbleu

Above average in the minors, fine. My point is Walls is not as good as his current batting line suggests and people shouldn’t expect the bat to come up and play at anything more than an average level.

He’ll have to prove he can do damage against major league pitching if he wants to continue to run strong walks rates at the ML level. And the less bouncy ball at the ML level this year hurts a guy like Walls more than someone with power to spare.

dastmanMember since 2021
5 years ago

The Rays are losing a big clubhouse presence in Adames. Not too much else, but that leadership is not nothing.

casey jMember since 2026
5 years ago

Great writeup. Interesting deal. My gut feeling is that it lights a fire under Adames, and he really turns it around in a big way. Still a decent deal for both though.

* PS, Javy Baez K’d 40% in April, and is at 32% in May, and also has started to get on the sacks more: .264 OBP in April, .333 OBP in May. . . and both months he’s had the .250+ IS0. He starting to play better ball.

shaq_diesel
5 years ago

“will reinforce the Tampa bullpen”

No MLB team in Tampa. You talking about the AA Yankees team?
For real, you write about MLB for a living. There’s only 30 teams. I read mistakes like this, and you lose me.

Are the Giants a team in Oakland? Are the Twins a team in St Paul? Are the Rays a team in Tampa? If someone ever tries to convince me they know wrestling, and they begin to tell me about WWE chairman Vince McNamara, I know I’m about to be fed a load. Likewise, if I have to hear about the Major League Baseball team whose home is Tampa.

3cardmontyMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

Nobody cares about your insufferable prescriptivism

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  3cardmonty

Wrong, I do. Only the Tampa Yankees, er, Tarpons play in Tampa. The MLB teams (Rays and Jays) play in Pinellas County, on the other side of a bay you may have heard of.

The Ancient Mariner
5 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

So a man who’s counting the *Toronto Blue* Jays as permanent residents of the Tampa-St. Petersburg metro area is caviling about this. The irony is thick. As well, the Dallas Cowboys don’t play in Dallas; the Los Angeles Angels don’t play in LA; the New York Giants and Jets don’t even play in the *state* of New York. Only a pedant makes such a big deal about concretizing people’s shorthand references when the sports world doesn’t insist on that level of geographical exactitude.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago

That’s a lot of words to tell me I’m a pedant while wrongly imputing I said anything about the Jays’ permanency in Dunedin.

3cardmontyMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

Fascinating stuff. Think I’ll start commenting on every Braves article about how ackshually they’re in Cumberland and the author is a halfwit for referring to Atlanta.

shaq_diesel
5 years ago
Reply to  3cardmonty

The Braves call themselves the Atlanta Braves. Trademarked and everything. That makes their name the “Atlanta Braves”. There is no such thing as the Tampa Rays, and people who write about Major League Baseball shouldn’t make that mistake.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  3cardmonty

The Los Angeles of 2000 E Gene Autry Way, Anaheim, California Angels would like a word with you about this.

Sandy Kazmir
5 years ago
Reply to  3cardmonty

I think you’ve already done enough to lead people to believe that you don’t know what you’re talking about, 3cardmonty, but by all means, keep talking.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  3cardmonty

But they’re not the Cumberland Braves or the Tampa Rays? This isn’t difficult stuff.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

It’s one thing to hear it on a broadcast, but easy enough to fix in text.

stefansanderson
5 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

You don’t have to be so mean about it. People make mistakes.

Sandy Kazmir
5 years ago

People who have realized they made a mistake fix the mistake. People who don’t care to learn the difference aren’t really worth reading. They show they don’t care enough to learn a basic fact of the situation then perpetuate that falsehood to people who are literally too stupid to know the difference. The team is called the Tampa Bay Rays. They play in St. Pete. They have nothing to do with Tampa, and Tampa has shown they want nothing to do with the team.

Sandy Kazmir
5 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

Well said.

hookworm86
5 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

Oops, looks like you forgot to log into one of your alt accounts before congratulating yourself. How embarrassing.

Dmjn53
5 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

Are you having a conversation with yourself using 3 different accounts? That is some serious pre-crime stuff

Bartolo Cologne
5 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

Interesting. I didn’t realize that the Rays’ stadium is actually physically on (maybe under?) the bay named for the city of Tampa (and that this distinction is so important to local fans). I guess that does make their name make a lot more sense and also explains why so few people ever show up to the games.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

The Tampa Bay Rays are the Lost City of Atlantis of major league baseball. The only way to get to a game is in a rickety old bathysphere. The water pressure on the stadium does some messed up things to the BABIP. Gives you a sense of why ownership desperately wants a new stadium. Fish simply do not pay for box seats.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago

To a national audience I get indifference, but what I don’t get is the ire of commenters who are incensed about this simple geographical error being raised and hopefully not perpetuated in the future. Some (very few) of us live or lived there! And it’s obviously not the same as some teams that moved their park to a suburb of said city’s metro area.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

Do I need to point out the irony of that fact that your name is a play on “OK Boomer” and you’re upset that a writer referred to a team called the “Tampa Bay Rays” as “Tampa”?

I can’t speak for anyone else but I’m not angry or anything. It’s actually really funny! We’ve now got hypothetical situations where someone thinks the San Francisco Giants playing in Oakland, or the Minnesota Twins playing St. Paul, or the Toronto Blue Jays playing in Tampa Bay. I’m not sure there’s a lot you can do to make this “not funny” after that.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You’re not mad and actually laughing? I’ve not been combative towards anyone in this thread despite a bunch of trolls asserting that I have alts rather than that there’s multiple Rays fans from the area (“There are dozens of us! Dozens!”).

Having said that, pathetic brass instrument, there is no generational component to the geographical difference on which I elaborated elsewhere, so I’d suggest you take some of the time you commit to posting a comment on every single article ever published on this site to brush up on the concept of irony.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

nah, I deleted all my social media. I’m perfectly well suited to evaluate irony, at least once I empty my spit-valve. And I’m not mad, although someone else clearly is and is awfully aggressive about it upthread. Maybe it’s not you. It’s hard for me to piece out exactly who said what at this point.

But seriously, how are we supposed to respond to this? It’s funny. Nobody would ever think that the Toronto Blue Jays play in Tampa Bay, or that the San Francisco Giants play in Oakland. Using these as examples why we shouldn’t think the Tampa Bay Rays play in Tampa Bay is funny. You can’t unring that bell. Although maybe that metaphor might work better if I was in the percussion section instead.

The Ancient Mariner
5 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

hittKazmieboomer (can we just call you hkm?), it isn’t a geographical error, it’s a grammatical elision–of an absolutely standard type. Since you’re refusing to get the examples you’ve been offered, here’s a different parallel: it’s like calling San Francisco San Fran, or Philadelphia Philly.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago

If there were indeed other large cities named San Fran or Philly near San Francisco or Philadelphia that comparison might make sense, but there aren’t, so it doesn’t.

shaq_diesel
5 years ago

I’m not Sandy Kazmir. But I am a fan of his.

It’s a geographical error, but more importantly, it’s an indifference error. The Rays have never payed a single game in Tampa. If you think a team plays 81 games per year for the last 22 years in one city , but they actually play in a different city, that’s a geographical error. And a pretty big one if you are writing about professional baseball, professionally.

I guess we should just be happy ya’ll are aware that they aren’t the Devil Rays anymore, but for those who don’t know, the Rays don’t play in Tampa. They aren’t headquartered in Tampa, and they don’t claim to be associated with Tampa.

And your parallel is incorrect. “San Fran” is an acceptable alternative spelling of “San Francisco”. “Tampa” is not an acceptable alternative spelling of “Tampa Bay” nor “St Petersburg”. St Pete is acceptable. “Tampa Rays” isn’t any more acceptable than “Green Packers” , “Florida Seminoles” or “Gold Warriors”.

30 teams guys. Learn them,

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

Love how the same person has logged into at least 3 accounts to comment on this thread. Can’t lose you fast enough.

szakylMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

Google Maps has Tampa to Tropicana Field as a ~30 minute drive. My workplace is that same distance outside of Cleveland. When we are talking with non-local companies, we say we’re from Cleveland because that’s the biggest city in the metropolitan area

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  szakyl

The only time that drive is 30 mins is at 3 AM. Traffic on the HoFrank is legendarily awful and Rick Scott doomed any hope of local transit when he said thanks but no thanks to Obama’s transit funding in 2011. Anyways, Tampa is 1.5x the population of St. Pete and 100 sq mi bigger, but they both are pretty sprawly and have pretty similarly sized downtown cores. There is definitely a regional identity to being from/associated with either one as they’re quite different, which is why someone or a company from St. Pete would never say they’re from Tampa as a shorthand – but might say they’re from the Tampa Bay area!

Radhames Liz
5 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

What does this comment even mean? …and somehow it’s only the second wierdest one on this post.

rubesandbabes
5 years ago
Reply to  Radhames Liz

When one presents the idea of speaking from the viewpoint of conventional wisdom on the internet…

Nope.

Wegandi727
5 years ago

As a Rays fan I love this deal. JP’s and Rasmussen’s Savant #’s are off the charts. You’re looking at 2 high-end relievers under control for 6 years each if they get their BB% under 10% and even if they’re just what they are now are 2 very good mid-leverage BP arms. The Rays covet team control and they got that in spades with those two. By this time next year people will be talking about JP as the next Nick Anderson steal imho.

As far as Adames – he is what he is – a good defender who K’s far too much and is about to enter arb with the Rays having possibly 3 SS-capable prospects that are likely better than him right now (Walls, Franco, possibly Brujan and by next year even Edwards could be as well and we have Greg Jones tearing it up too). Something had to give and he was our most expendable asset that could fetch something back. Im going to miss his infectious personality, but really looking to seeing JP and his ridiculous change-up that gets 60%+ whiffies.

Johnnie TMember since 2024
5 years ago

I suspect that the Brewers hope/expect that at some point in this season, they will get Keston Hiura back (they surely have not given up on him) and so at some point will have to fit him into the IF picture. But I suppose that it is better to have one too many good infielders than one too few (if we can safely call Urias and Adams and Shaw “good”).

chisoxmatt
5 years ago

Adames a huge k guy throughout his whole career even in minors. Urias and Wong much better hitters.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  chisoxmatt

Urias is nowhere near a much better hitter. Adames has at least hit major league pitching at an above average clip in his career. Urias has looked overmatched since his first call up.

Urias also can’t play SS, even with all the flashy plays.

Dmjn53
5 years ago
Reply to  chisoxmatt

He makes more contact than Adames, but until proven otherwise there’s no evidence to show Urias is a better hitter. Wong hasn’t shown to be a significantly better hitter either, they have almost identical career wRC+

dannyrockMember since 2017
5 years ago

Not only as Rasmussen always felt like a Rays pitcher, he was their first-round pick in 2017.

rubesandbabes
5 years ago

This article waaaay overly quantifies human beings trying to play baseball by saying just they do this or that. It’s not respectful – the ballplayers are not insects to be poked with a pin.

The author attempts to cover the earthshaking Willy Adames trade, and in so doing…

“the two arms”

Radhames Liz
5 years ago
Reply to  rubesandbabes

“The two beloved sons and husbands”? “The two upstanding citizens”?

rubesandbabes
5 years ago
Reply to  Radhames Liz

I’ve seen both those bands. Bongwater and Schooly D were way better.

Luy
5 years ago
Reply to  rubesandbabes

Synecdoche is hard for suckers and toddlers to understand, I guess.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

Obviously it wasn’t going to be Franco, he wasn’t on the 40 man. And something people haven’t pointed out yet is while it is still a very SSS, his walk rate has more than cut in half, and his strikeout rate has more than doubled. I remember reading on Twitter everyone saying if it isn’t Franco, we riot, blah blah. Well, the reality is a small market team isn’t going to take the number one prospect in the game and bring him up and have him fail, which he probably would initially. The numbers aren’t trending the right way. When I say fail I do not mean like be a below average player…his defense and eye are good enough that he will probably be average or close to it, but you don’t want a 80 future value to scuffle and start his clock…at all. Especially when you have Wendle, Brosseau, Lowe, Walls and Brujan all on the 40 man.

I would have loved to see Brujan though, but I assume he will be up in the next month or so.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

A year off from real games, hopefully his plate discipline returns but I’m glad the bat control and power have not similarly diminished in the early going.

SenorGato
5 years ago

This is a quality move for the Brewers, Urias belongs at 2B if anywhere anyway. I’d love to see the Rays lose a trade bigly since they’re such key players in why the MLB is now the NFL but baseball

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

I think when all is said and done there’s a decent chance the Rays will look like they’ve lost this trade, and by quite a bit. But keep in mind that’s because Adames can’t hit at the Trop. The dude has a 76 wRC+ at the Trop for his career and that’s with a 120 wRC+ at the Trop in his first 300 PAs back in 2018. Something happened in between 2018 and 2019 and he just completely fell apart at home.

The only way they could have recouped fair value for him is if they traded him in the offseason, coming off of a year where he had a huge power surge on the road, to the point where his overall batting line was a career best despite putting up a 62 wRC+ at home. They missed that window, so now instead of trading him for fair value he was a buy-low candidate.

SenorGato
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Re: Fair Value

MLB is the NFL but baseball now, very possible that this is just how Adames is Valued. All it takes is Rasmussen becoming a high leverage arm for people for the Rays to spin out of this

Adames got eaten up in the playoffs last year and it’s carried into this one, could be the league doesn’t see him as a top tier player. Hell, as a Cubs fan who just watched the sport really really try (and succeed) to sell their brainwashed fans that Kris Bryant is toast and really Not That Good anyway, tippy top tier players aren’t really safe either. No one is Valued so much anymore, not compared to relatable owners like Stevey Cohen and hedge fund GMidents like Friedman. It would be Ineffizient for payrolls to value Hu-mons much

SenorGato
5 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

*for Disney and friends to spin the Rays out of this

Once the robot umps come in, MLB twitter might push for robot players next to max efficiency and keep costs down. Not sure why I’m mentioning it here

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

You know there are robot competitions specifically for this, right? It’s called the RoboCup. The new frontier will be like that. Instead of having students on scholarship at Michigan play soccer against students on scholarship at Ohio State, robotics students at Michigan will program robots to play soccer against those programmed by robotics students at Ohio State. Just like e-sports, universities will start handing out (partial) scholarships for especially promising roboticists. Schools will sell viewing rights, and then it will really take off.

SenorGato
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Those pesky students better watch their backs, they’re the most replaceable part of all that