Word Going Around on Yasiel Puig

Maybe you haven’t heard quite as much about Yasiel Puig lately. I don’t know, I don’t know who you read and what you watch. But it’s hard for a player to sustain that level of coverage and interest, as Puig seemed to be absolutely everywhere for his first few weeks. Justifiably, of course. But Tuesday was a big day for Puig, in a sense — against the Diamondbacks, he drew two unintentional walks, for the first time in his young career. Previously, he had just four. And in case you thought Puig was slowing down, this month is new but he’s slugged .500. He hasn’t spent a day in the majors with a three-digit OPS. Puig is still excelling, and the Dodgers are still succeeding around him.

About those two walks, though. Walks aren’t as sexy as singles or doubles or triples or dingers or outfield assists, but walks are indicative of some degree of patience, of discipline. There’s reason for the Dodgers to be particularly encouraged by the bases on balls, because Puig is new, and because Puig is new, pitchers are in the process of adjusting to him. Baseball, as we’ve come to learn, is a game of constant adjustments, all career long, but perhaps the biggest adjustments come early on, and there’s word out on Puig. At least, that’s what the numbers are saying. Puig hasn’t stopped hitting, but pitchers have changed the way they attack.

When a guy first comes up, pitchers might take some time to feel him out. Perhaps they’ll already have advance scouting reports, but pitchers will explore for various strengths and various weaknesses. Once there’s a more comprehensive book, is has a tendency to get around, and that can be reflected by a few statistics. This part isn’t going to surprise you, but the adjustment to Puig has been to throw him more breaking balls, and fewer pitches in the strike zone. Also, Puig’s seen a few more high fastballs, but the breaking ball thing — it’s predictable, but it’s something Puig needs to show he can beat. Lots of hitters struggle with breaking balls low and away, and the best ones know to lay off. You can be good and over-aggressive, but it’s a challenge to be great.

Puig, in the bigs, has played 34 games. Let’s split those in half and take a look at a table:

Split Pitches Zone% O-Swing% Z-Swing% Contact% Breaking%
First 17 212 47% 43% 77% 75% 25%
Last 17 269 37% 39% 78% 60% 35%

I’ll acknowledge that the samples are pretty small, but there’s still significance in here. Puig’s rate of pitches in the zone has dropped a full ten percentage points. He’s continued to swing aggressively, and he’s seen a huge spike in sliders and curveballs. And look over at those contact rates — Puig was acceptably below-average before, but lately he’s been swinging and missing two-fifths of the time. We have contact-rate data going back to 2002, and since then, the only rates below 60% belong to Jared Sandberg and Aaron Harang. This year, baseball’s lowest rate belongs to Pedro Alvarez, at 64%. It’s probably not impossible to succeed while whiffing that often, but Puig’s been making it harder on himself.

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Of course, over those last 17 games, Puig’s put up a .959 OPS. There’s a reason no one’s claiming that he’s struggling. But he probably won’t keep racking up 23 hits per 50 balls in play, so that’s partially masking what’s going on. Puig’s going to need to adjust back, at least somewhat.

Just for the sake of adding some color, let’s watch an at bat between Puig and Huston Street from late June:

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During that plate appearance, the Padres broadcast talked about how the book was out. Street fed Puig four consecutive low-away sliders, and Puig went down helpless and hopeless. Obviously, he hasn’t always looked that bad, but pitchers haven’t quit.

The FanGraphs leaderboards have a “Last 14 Days” filter. Maybe 14 is kind of arbitrary, but if we just accept that, then over the last 14 days, Puig has seen baseball’s second-highest rate of sliders, behind only Brandon Phillips. And he’s seen baseball’s lowest rate of pitches in the zone, more than two percentage points below the runner-up Chris Davis. We find Puig just under 36%; then, between 38-39%, there are Davis, Alvarez, Giancarlo Stanton, Josh Hamilton, and Justin Morneau. Here’s a comparison between Puig and his Los Angeles teammates, from the same time window:

Name Zone%
A.J. Ellis 59.3%
Skip Schumaker 57.1%
Mark Ellis 54.6%
Matt Kemp 51.9%
Andre Ethier 51.5%
Hanley Ramirez 50.5%
Carl Crawford 48.3%
Juan Uribe 48.1%
Adrian Gonzalez 47.7%
Yasiel Puig 35.8%

It’s not that the Dodgers haven’t been facing any strike-throwers. It’s that they’ve simply been reluctant to throw strikes to Puig, far more than to anybody else in the lineup. The plan is to force Puig to understand his own strike zone, and maybe this graph will help explain why, if that’s even necessary:

puigzone

Unsurprisingly, Puig is also getting fed way fewer first-pitch fastballs. I feel like this post has had enough numbers in it, so I’ll try to tread lightly from here. He’s demonstrated a willingness to swing at balls and to swing at breaking stuff, and though he’s also homered against breaking stuff, you can’t beat a guy every time. You can only beat a guy as often as he doesn’t beat you, and pitchers seem to be making some real progress.

Which leaves it up to Puig to make real progress back. Which is why it’s nice to see that Puig drew a couple walks on Tuesday, even if that’s just two walks in one game. Interestingly, Puig established himself early on as a guy capable of doing damage to the opposite field, but he’s been more pull-happy so far in July, according to Texas Leaguers:

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Don’t know what that is. Maybe just the natural consequence of seeing slower pitches, since slower pitches are easier to pull. Puig’s still hit a couple balls to right field really deep. That ability hasn’t eroded — maybe this is Puig doing what he can with what he’s been given. Puig’s adjustments should already be underway, assuming he’s trying to make some.

For his first several weeks in the major leagues, Yasiel Puig has been dominant. The Dodgers have gone 21-12 when he’s started in the lineup, ending up in the race they were favored to win. Puig, to some extent, has slowed down, but he hasn’t actually stopped hitting well. Yet pitchers have been changing the way they pitch to him, and beneath Puig’s surface numbers are some numbers of greater concern. What we know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that Yasiel Puig has superstar ability. Superstar players adjust to the competition as the competition adjusts to them. Puig has proven himself in one way, and now he gets to try to prove himself in another.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Blockhead
13 years ago

Walks aren’t as sexy as singles or doubles or triples or dingers..

Of course they aren’t, Puig can’t showcase is mastery of bat-flipping on a walk.

phattonez
13 years ago
Reply to  Blockhead

You can bat flip whenever you want. I for one would relish a bat flip on a walk.

TheoK
13 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

I DEMAND THE .gif

Loop D
13 years ago
Reply to  phattonez

Josh Donaldson is the best bat flipper around

LK
13 years ago
Reply to  Blockhead

You sure about that?

Kogoruhn
13 years ago
Reply to  Blockhead

I’m pretty sure he showcased a BB Batflip just yesterday

Astro Villain
13 years ago
Reply to  Blockhead

Didn’t Bonds do this all the time? Then whip off his armor? Good times.

Ferment's Last Beerem
13 years ago
Reply to  Blockhead

Nonsense. Watch Josh Donaldson take a walk. Bat flip, glove flip, ankle-protector flip.

atoms
13 years ago
Reply to  Blockhead

Why the hell can’t he? 🙂

Steve
13 years ago

Puig is a product of his babip

bob
13 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Groundbreaking stuff there Steve

Tyler
13 years ago
Reply to  Steve

I read this as “Puig is a product of his batflip,” which is almost definitely right.

Akob
13 years ago
Reply to  Tyler

^^^

LRG
13 years ago
Reply to  Tyler

HAHAHA

Scraps
13 years ago
Reply to  Steve

100%?

BearHunter90
13 years ago
Reply to  Steve

It is really hard to BABIP your way to >1.000 OPS

Donald Trump
13 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Not that Puig is a .400 hitter, but if someone does have the skill to bat .400, they will naturally have a very high babip.

Jay29
13 years ago
Reply to  Donald Trump

I see no reason this early why Puig won’t be a naturally high BABIP player, like Austin Jackson. He is fast and he hits the ball hard.

Charlie
13 years ago
Reply to  Steve

I’m calling it right now, Puig will kill a man. First comes the mentorship from Juan “Aaron Hernandez” Uribe; next comes the tattoos. Only a matter of time people. Can’t bat flip your way out of jail.

2013 Portland Beavers
13 years ago
Reply to  Charlie

I would certainly like to see someone try, though.

Gob
13 years ago

Ta-da!

atoms
13 years ago

If anyone could, it would be Puig.

Trenchtown
13 years ago
Reply to  Steve

As Jack Nicholson might say, Yasiel Puig does not want to be a product of his BABIP, he wants his BABIP to be a product of him.

Gyre
13 years ago

When H. Street can put him away that easy, the gloss is gone and Puig will be pwned in an All-Star appearance. I should vote for him, so that the AL chances improve.

A's Fan
13 years ago
Reply to  Gyre

I’m confused by how easy that was for Street. Puig laid off the first pitch that was borderline and then went reaching at the following pitches that seemed to consecutively slide further off the plate. It’s almost like watching a guy with no plate discipline and barely ever spent time in the high minors.

James
13 years ago

Hanley Ramirez has been even better.

Andrew
13 years ago
Reply to  James

Hanley has been absurd of late. Holy goodness…..

Mr Baseball
13 years ago

Lots of Giants fans here. Puig is clearly a top 5 hitter in baseball. Only Miguel Cabrera, J Votto, Trout are better, Puig is right behind them.

He will be fine. Guys like Puig, even guys with weak BB/rates, don’t merely see pitchers nibbling, pitchers will be working way out of the zone, so much so that a slugger like Puig, will see a spike in BBs that players that are merely very good never see.

Look it up, the sluggers that evolve from very good to elite pitchers go out of their way to avoid. The BB rates spike way to quickly for it to be attributed to all batter plate discipline, in the case of elite sluggers BB rates spikes. Call them RED ALERT hitters, pitchers avoid.

Dennis
13 years ago
Reply to  Mr Baseball

Chris Davis?

Joe
13 years ago
Reply to  Mr Baseball

Batters that last the long-term with what you are saying have a great sense of pitch recognition which is identifiable in their profile. Puig is NOT one of those guys (well as of this moment). To say otherwise and to claim he’s an elite hitter is short-sighted and naive. It’s like saying every player who starts their career off hot will be a future HOF…you have to account for batting profile and BATFLIP.

Rambo's Ghost
13 years ago
Reply to  Mr Baseball

Good top 5 list, but he will have to bumped to #6 behind Hanley Ramirez. Jose Iglesias is also giving Puig a run for his money.

LRG
13 years ago
Reply to  Mr Baseball

Carlos Gonzalez and Chris Davis are left off but u throw Puig in the mix?? You’re just a fool that is infatuated with a new commodity. He’s been up for 5 weeks. 5 WEEKS!! Nelson Cruz has had some pretty phenomenal 5 week stretches in his career but u dont think he’s a top 5 hitter do u?? What about Adrian Gonzalez?? Or Jason Kipnis?? He just had a pretty good month. Time will tell if he’s truly elite. As of right now, he’s just a guy that had a great month and doesnt walk.

Hurtlockertwo
13 years ago
Reply to  Mr Baseball

Don’t hate on Giants fans becasue we support our team, even though they suck right now. Puig is a tremendous talent, but he plays against talented players too, when he comes back to earth we will see how he adjusts. He struck out three times in a game last week, so he can be pitched to effectively.

channelclemente
13 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlockertwo

Puig was 0 for 4 against Bumgarner with at least 3 swing through strike outs. Maybe there is a clue there for the Puig Intrigued.

Dan
13 years ago
Reply to  Mr Baseball

I suggest you google the first month of: Francouer, Jeff

Kyle
13 years ago
Reply to  Mr Baseball

Puig is not a top 5 hitter in baseball. Are you freaking kidding?

No specific order of guys who are better:

1. Miguel Cabrera
2. Chris Davis
3. Troy Tulowitzki
4. Buster Posey
5. Robinson Cano
6. Joey Votto
7. Adrian Beltre
8. Carlos Gonzalez
9. David Ortiz
10. Dustin Pedroia
11. Evan Longoria
12. Mike Trout
13. Paul Goldschmidt
and many more… a guy can’t be a top 5 player with just 35 games in his career.

I love how people always have their anointing oils out ready to name the next Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays.

HJK
13 years ago

Thanks for the numbers, was waiting for something like this. Definitely matches the anecdotal feel of the last couple weeks. His ability to swing so consistently at the beginning of his at-bats and STILL square up pitches at an alarming rate has been both bizarre and fantastic to watch. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a significant uptick in his walk rate over the next couple weeks while pitchers continue to throw the ball way outside the zone. Once he demonstrates consistent basic discipline (of which he’s shown flashes) then the more fun in-zone/sequencing adjustments will really have to begin on both sides.

Balthazar
13 years ago
Reply to  HJK

Looking over the Texas League hit profiles, I suspect that initially pitchers were feeding Puig fastballs on the outer corner of the strike zone; trying to get a strike but stay away from him. And it didn’t work. He was nailing those pitches the other way, and looking at the other chart above even hitting pitches just off the plate and belt high solidly. So it looks like the pitching coaches cut him off. He’s not getting fastballs in that zone, but breaking stuff instead. I wouldn’t be surprised if that change accounts for _all_ of change from fastballs to breaking pitches in how he’s being pitched. And it’s working.

I’m guessing he’s still getting some fastballs well inside, where effectively they look even faster, and thus the contrast makes the breaking stuff away seem even slower. And for pitchers who can locate the fastball down, some of those also. Breaking stuff away eliminated Puig’s favorite feast, so now he’ll have to walk them back into giving him a pitch to hit.

I find Puig . . . unbelievable; but still, one can learn something about the game watching how _pitchers_ have adjusted to him.

Baltar
13 years ago

I hate the Dodgers, but love the irony that they spend all that money on players and then are led by a rookie.

Anon21
13 years ago
Reply to  Baltar

They spent a fair amount of money on this particular rookie.

Emmett
13 years ago
Reply to  Baltar

To be fair, the spent a lot of money on their rookies too (Ryu and Puig).

Tom
13 years ago
Reply to  Baltar

Is Hanley Ramirez a rookie?

BMarkham
13 years ago
Reply to  Baltar

Same with the Angels with Trout. GMs are figuring out that the best way to acquire talent is to draft and develop it, then resign it at reasonable prices. The Cardinals FO is doing great at that. We had the worst Bullpen in the majors in the first month of the season and we’ve reconfigured it completely from our own farm system with the exception of Mujica who we acquired for low level prospects and Choate who we signed cheaply. Rosenthal, Maness, Siegrist, and Butler are all from AAA and AA. Blazek is a new addition who was the AA closer for most the year. Cardinals will likely not be making any trades before the deadline and if they do it will be a small one. And that is because of their depth as an organization.

Dirck
13 years ago
Reply to  BMarkham

The repeated use of “we ” when referring to a sports team ,unless you actually are a member of that team ,is a strong disqualifier of the objective logic of your argument .

Danny
13 years ago
Reply to  Dirck

Leave it be man. A lot of us are still fans and yes “we” doesn’t directly sound correct in terms of players, front office and decision makers, but you know what, “we” is ultimately correct. “We” are the ticket buyers, those that watch “our” team every night, and “we” pass this on to our kids who will also refer to our fathers generation as “our” team back then. “We” still play a large role in what the team does. If “we” don’t show up, the team loses money. Why do you still think the players still care about the fans. Yes we get we aren’t there day to making waiver wire moves and trades, but “we” collectively so make up the entirety of the organization. “We” play our role and with out “we” there is no game here for us to discuss whether OPS is more important than RC+. “We” are still a giant part of this game.

So relax a bit and enjoy the game. Not everyone has to see it as routing for (or not cheering at) a collection of overpaid athletes that have no connection to that city and they perform for us to analyze them through numbers.

Hurtlockertwo
13 years ago
Reply to  Dirck

Danny is right, loyalty to your team means butts in the seats. To be a fan means you take some ownership, not literally of course, so don’t be an ass.

Joe
13 years ago

Once his walk rate upticks, let’s not jump immediately on the “he’s making adjustments thread”. Regression exists in all things. He walked more in the minors. He’s shown that ability. Just because he decided to swing at everything doesn’t mean a dip in that will indicate adjustment. But yes, more walks should come..

Paul
13 years ago
Reply to  Joe

Why are bases on balls a sabre-free zone, where small sample sizes and the inability to carry over a skill to the MLB level don’t matter? A huge majority of MLB players had higher walk rates in the minor leagues. For another SSS bases on balls example, see Jean Segura. Picking up a couple walks in a game, or drawing a few in a week does not indicate a trend.

atoms
13 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Well, if you’re hitting over .400 and have a .500+ BABIP, why NOT swing? Now that the pitchers seem to be changing their approach, it might make sense for Puig to alter his and be a little more patient, but I don’t blame him for being aggressive when they were challenging him more in the zone. It’s like Dom Brown back in May when he was crushing everything; who cares if he’s not walking? Sure enough, he had about a 10% walk rate in June.

Paul
13 years ago
Reply to  atoms

We’re not disagreeing. I’m just a little miffed at the notion that a guy is either a hacker or suddenly, magically disciplined based on such absurdly small samples. The point that Puig had higher walk rates in the minors is another example of this. He spent ten minutes there. Meaningless.

Phantom Stranger
13 years ago

Puig has legitimate opposite field power, even in Dodger stadium. He’s not going to continue hitting .400, but Puig is the type of athlete baseball rarely sees these days. If Puig grew up in America, he likely plays football and never plays baseball.

He might have better raw physical tools than Trout. His arm is certainly better than Trout’s arm.

Cool Lester Smooth
13 years ago

He doesn’t have Trout’s speed, though.

HollywoodDodger
13 years ago

Still a work in progress. He had even more power and arm strength when he was drafted, but has given up some of it to improve his already incredible speed.

No, he’ll never be an 80, but he could be a 70. He’s already a 60.

HollywoodDodger
13 years ago

*signed out of Mexico

Not that the Dodgers haven’t been among the best in MLB at drafting talent. They have a glamorous eye for it.

Shlum
13 years ago

Puig is the best player in the MLB, hands down. The SABRtooth tigers don’t want to admit it yet, but Puig’s career will stand as the single critical piece of counter-evidence to disprove all of their non-baseball-playing wimpsicle nerd theories about player value and ‘sustainability.’

LRG
13 years ago
Reply to  Shlum

And u make that comment as u cruise Fangraphs reading articles about what?? Oh yeah. I’d rather roll with data than your gut feeling.

Cool Lester Smooth
13 years ago
Reply to  LRG

He’s clearly joking, bro.

Travis L
13 years ago
Reply to  Shlum

Please don’t feed the trolls. Troll man is obvious.

Tramps Like Us
13 years ago

Have to laugh at those of you declaring Puig to be the best player in baseball. 5 weeks…really?

HollywoodDodger
13 years ago
Reply to  Tramps Like Us

Except he has. Anything otherwise is just East Coast bias.

ASURay
13 years ago

He has absolutely been one of the best players in baseball over the past five weeks, but that doesn’t mean that he is one of the best players in baseball just like Willie Aybar wasn’t one of the best players in baseball when he put up a .403 wOBA in 105 PA for the Dodgers back in 2005. Puig has tons of talent, but quite a few rough edges to work out as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if he puts up somewhere in the neighborhood of a .280/.300/.500 line next season. That’s probably around his talent level until he learns to lay off the breaking stuff outside of the zone.

atoms
13 years ago
Reply to  ASURay

I think it’ll be more like .290/.340/.500

Devon
13 years ago

It’ll be a shame if he doesn’t get into the ASG. Even tho he’s only played a month, he’s leading the Dodgers batters in WAR (2.1, tied with Hanley Ramirez), thus arguably the best player on the team in the 1st half.

chuckb
13 years ago
Reply to  Devon

Clayton Kershaw says “hello.”

Shlum
13 years ago
Reply to  chuckb

Sorry, was too busy taking Clayton Kershaw for granted

matt w
13 years ago
Reply to  Devon

Even though he’s played only a month, he’s tied for the lead in Dodger batter WAR with Hanley Ramirez… who’s also only played a month. (And who right now has 0.4 more WAR in fewer PA.)

Seems like Hanley has at least as good an argument, and it’s a shame he didn’t get put in the Final Vote too.

A Man with an OPINION
13 years ago

Can we get a tally of how many times he’s been thrown out trying to take a base? Not CS but advancing… I feel like it’s once a game.

adohaj
13 years ago

All those times he gets thrown out on the bases just shows he has the will to win

Paul
13 years ago
Reply to  adohaj

and scrappiness.

Hurtlockertwo
13 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I’m thinking Puig pops the heads of scrappy players just for fun.

atoms
13 years ago
Reply to  adohaj

Puig’s TWTW score is off the charts.

A Man with an ONION
13 years ago

Yabbut it all get cancelled out by them hustlin’ doubles

Obsessivegiantscompulsive
13 years ago

I like Puig as much as anybody, even if he is a Dodger bum, and he has done great, but he is not proven yet as a superstar. At least not that I have seen anywhere. I am surprised that such a statement would be made at a saber watering hole and there is no discussion about what exactly has been proven by the small samples so far. Someone on another baseball website wrote a comparison of the numbers put up by Francouer and Puig and at that time they were very similar. And, of course, we know what Jeff did in his career. What exactly makes Puig proven already?

EDogg1438
13 years ago

Puig seems to be pulling off of the ball more. He went from hitting everything oppo to trying to pull everything. He’s even swinging through a lot of fastballs in the zone trying to yank them. He will be just fine if he gets back to that oppo approach he used for the first couple of weeks. He should look breaking ball every time and just shoot fastballs to right instead of trying to crush the rare heaters that he sees.

Cliffs: He needs to take a deep breath, stop believing his hype, and go back to what was working.

TheMooseOfDeath
13 years ago

As a Dodgers fan, I can’t help but watch Yasiel Puig and be reminded of Raul Mondesi

ASURay
13 years ago

Mondesi was less of a “swing and miss” guy early on and Puig has much more of a physical presence than Mondesi, but probably not too far off from the type of career Puig could have if he continues to develop and stays healthy.

ASURay
13 years ago

Terrifyingly enough (for Dodgers fans), Francouer is probably a good early career comp for Puig. Athletic (Puig is the better athlete), cannon for an arm, lots of power potential, top prospect status, sky-high wOBA through their first ~150 PA, low BB rates combined with moderate K rates, unsustainable BABIP, irrationally smitten fans, etc.

atoms
13 years ago
Reply to  ASURay

I don’t see it. Francoeur never had a BB% above 9% in his minor league career. Puig never had a BB% *below* 9% in his (admittedly brief) minor league career.

Shlum
13 years ago
Reply to  atoms

LOL I guess that’s why it’s a ‘good’ early-career comp rather than a ‘perfect identical’ early-career comp, no?

atoms
13 years ago
Reply to  Shlum

I think that’s part of the reason why it’s a SUPERFICIAL comp rather than a SUBSTANTIVE comp. Francoeur is essentially worthless at age 29 because of his free-swinging, complete lack of plate discipline. I see no reason as of yet to believe Puig will end up that way.

LiveFastCyYoung
13 years ago

If Brennan Boesch couldn’t make the ASG with his first half in 2010, then Yasiel Puig doesn’t have much place either.

seth
13 years ago

Its funny to me that you use all these numbers and statistics in the article and then at the very end you say Puig has superstar qualities and all superstars make the adjustments to be great. Seems very anti fangraphish.

Hitler But Sadder
13 years ago

Puig is tight.