After a Slight Technical Delay, Yankees Acquire Juan Soto

Juan Soto
Ed Szczepanski-USA TODAY Sports

The appetizers have been cleared. The waiters have brought out new plates and utensils. There was a long wait between courses, something in the kitchen perhaps; Tom Colichio wouldn’t be pleased. But it’s time for the entree: the Yankees have acquired Juan Soto from the Padres in exchange for Michael King, Drew Thorpe, Jhony Brito, Randy Vásquez, and Kyle Higashioka. New York is also getting Trent Grisham in the deal. Soto and the Bombers have been linked all offseason, but it seemed like San Diego might hold off on a move until Shohei Ohtani signed with an eye toward marketing Soto to the teams who missed out. Instead, the Yankees jumped the queue and acquired perhaps the best hitter who was available this winter, whether by trade or free agency.

You already know the deal with Soto. He’s a modern-day avatar of plate discipline who won the Home Run Derby a few years ago. He’s walked more frequently than he’s struck out in each of the last four seasons while launching 104 homers. His 159 wRC+ is the fourth-best in the majors since the start of the 2020 season, behind new teammate Aaron Judge, Yordan Alvarez, and Mike Trout. His .431 on-base percentage laps the field; Freddie Freeman is second at .410. He’s durable, to boot: he started 160 games this year and pinch-hit in the other two.

Soto doesn’t project as the second-best player on the Yankees next year, but that’s only because Steamer projects him as the best player, slightly ahead of Judge, with 6.4 WAR over 666 plate appearances. That’s the second-best projection for any hitter, period; Ronald Acuña Jr. occupies the top spot, and only Alvarez projects for a better overall batting line. ZiPS is slightly lower on him, but only slightly; it had him down for 5.8 WAR in San Diego, with similar on-base skills to Steamer but slightly less power. I feel a little silly trying to sell you on how good Soto is. He’s Juan Soto! You know he’s phenomenal.

Soto’s Padres tenure didn’t go as smoothly as his time with the Nationals. He joined the team at the trade deadline in 2022, then scuffled down the stretch before a forgettable postseason run. He followed that up by coming out of the gates extremely slowly in 2023; on April 30, he was hitting .202/.373/.384 with a 25% strikeout rate. From there, the Padres imploded, going 22–31 over the next two months and never seriously threatening to make the playoffs again. But Soto didn’t fade, hitting .290/.418/.548 the rest of the way, trying and failing to carry his teammates to October singlehandedly.

You might think that Soto and Yankee Stadium are a match made in heaven — a lefty fly ball hitter and a park with a right field fence that’s merely a stone’s throw from the infield dirt. But he’s a spray hitter, not a pull type. The chart of his extra-base hits looks like a gap-to-gap doubles hitter from a bygone era, only most of the balls are going over the fence:

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The Yankees need this kind of firepower badly. Non-Judge Yankees hit an unbelievable .224/.296/.381 last season, good for an 87 wRC+. Subtracting their best player skews the comparison a bit, but that’s the same wRC+ as the Royals in 2023. It’s worse than the Tigers, A’s, Guardians, and Pirates. Between Soto and Alex Verdugo, the Yankees could replace as much as 25% of that desultory line. For a team that’s desperate to return to the postseason, you can’t do much better than turning a replacement-level outfield spot into an MVP candidate.

Soto didn’t come for free, obviously; the Yankees traded a handsome spread of prospects to San Diego for him. Eric Longenhagen will dive deeper into the specifics of each player in a separate post, but I’ll ballpark it for you here: the Yankees’ rotation is going to feel a pinch while San Diego gets a boost. We projected King as their third starter before this deal, and Thorpe lit the minors aflame in 2023; his trajectory could easily have landed him in the big league rotation in the coming year.

This return is exactly what the Padres needed in a Soto trade. It’s still going to hurt their chances of contending in 2024, because again, they just traded Soto. But King in particular will shore up their rotation right away; he’s an easy fit as their third starter. Thorpe, Brito, and Vásquez will likely all contribute major league innings for them as well. Higashioka is affordable and might be their best catcher right away. If you have to trade a superstar but want to keep your sights set on the playoffs, this is the exact kind of return you should go for. But let’s be reasonable: for the Padres, this trade was about reducing salary. The more interesting half of the deal from a 2024 major league perspective is New York’s side.

If this trade occurred in a closed system, the Yankees might be giving up enough on the pitching front to blunt the gains they’re making on offense. King looked impressive after joining the rotation in September. Carlos Rodón and Nestor Cortes each missed a ton of time, and neither was effective when they did take the mound. It doesn’t take too much doomcasting to picture a 2024 Yankees rotation that mirrors the 2023 lineup, with Gerrit Cole playing the role of Judge as a meteoric talent standing alone. If you can’t stop the other team from scoring, Soto’s offensive burst won’t be enough.

Luckily, the Yankees aren’t building a team in a closed system. They can use free agency to address their needs, and this year’s crop of players is awash in solid pitching. They’ve been linked to NPB phenom Yoshinobu Yamamoto, but even if he signs elsewhere, there’s no shortage of good arms with which to replace King and add depth in the short term. Hitting, on the other hand, is in short supply; the only player even remotely analogous to Soto is Ohtani. In essence, the Yankees can use this trade to turn the free-agent market into a place to acquire a hitter — trading away pitching for someone who you couldn’t get with money alone, then replacing that pitching on the open market. It’s the kind of move that nerdy bean-counters like me are always calling for teams to execute: front-office alchemy that transmutes pitching to hitting.

When you make this kind of move for an average hitter (cough Verdugo cough), it can feel too cute by half — transactions for the sake of transactions. But when it’s for Juan Freaking Soto, everything makes a lot more sense. With the judicious application of their considerable financial might, the Yankees can play a different ballgame than everyone else. Why pick between Cody Bellinger and Matt Chapman to improve your offense when you can get a guy who will almost certainly out-hit them both by a mile?

This is the kind of two-part transaction that the Yankees should be using their deep pockets to engage in. Most teams don’t get to look at a list of freely available hitters, ignore it, and go get a perennial MVP candidate instead. When Yankees fans complain that the team hasn’t taken advantage of its resources in recent years, they’re basically complaining about the lack of deals like this one. When other fans complain that the Yankees are ruining baseball with their money, they aren’t talking about DJ LeMahieu’s extension; they’re talking about A Rod, Sheffield, and the gang, the feeling that baseball’s glitterati inevitably end up in pinstripes.

There are a ton of caveats to add; I just skipped them at the top of the article to get to the exciting parts. Let’s run through a few of those now. First, if the team doesn’t follow this trade up by signing several rotation-worthy free agents, I like it a lot less. If you’re making this trade, the goal has to be winning big in 2024; sitting the rest of the winter out would be inconsistent with the overall strategy. There simply isn’t enough pitching on New York’s roster as it stands today to be comfortable with in a brutally competitive AL East.

Second, Soto is going to be a free agent after this year, and I like this trade less if the Yankees aren’t planning on either blowing him away with an extension offer or going all-out to get him in free agency after a year to get used to the team and develop some positive associations. Two years of a mid-rotation starter, a top pitching prospect, and two other pieces isn’t a completely prohibitive cost for one year of a transcendent hitter, particularly when you add in a versatile and controllable outfielder, but this is another case where the Yankees should be using their considerable financial resources to play a different game than most other teams. The Padres had to stretch their payroll comfort level to add Soto, and in the end they dealt him for financial reasons. If the Yankees engage in anything similar, it should leave a bad taste in their fans’ mouths.

Finally, there’s the matter of actually building a lineup with Soto in it. Judge and Verdugo are both at their best as corner outfielders. Judge can play center field, and play it well at that, but that’s a lot of physical strain to put on a guy who missed a month and a half with injury last year, particularly when he’s 6-foot-7 and about to turn 32. Verdugo has played 345 innings of center in the last four years, and nothing about his range in right field makes me think he’d be a good option in center. Grisham is miscast as a fourth outfielder; he’s a natural fit as the everyday center fielder, with rest days against lefties that would put Judge in center.

That puts a squeeze on the less-defensively-capable options. Soto is obviously a corner-only guy, and not even a good one at that. Stanton is practically DH-only, which occupies a spot you might otherwise use to hide Soto or rest Judge. They didn’t trade for Verdugo to put him on the bench, and Soto obviously needs an everyday spot; there just aren’t enough lineup spots for the roster as currently constructed.

I think that releasing Stanton should be a real consideration. He was bad last year, his peripherals are all trending the wrong way, and even though he underperformed his contact quality, he still wouldn’t have impressed if that underperformance disappeared. He once possessed average top speed and a strong throwing arm, but time and injuries have eroded both of those skills; he’s a pure DH to me at this point. You shouldn’t lock up your DH spot and sacrifice roster flexibility for a hitter with a 114 wRC+, which is Steamer’s 2024 projection. He’s still under contract for four years, which complicates things, but again, they’re the Yankees. Sometimes you just have to eat the money and move on.

Another option would be to turn around and trade Verdugo, but I think that’s the wrong tack here. He’s just a better player than Stanton these days, and more flexible to boot. With Stanton out of the mix, things just line up so well. The outfield can go Verdugo/Grisham/Judge, with Soto rotating into the field to keep everyone’s legs fresh. Trying to do the same with Stanton instead of Verdugo makes the starting defense worse, makes rotations worse, and might not even improve the offense all that much. Trying to play all five outfielders would crimp Grisham’s and Verdugo’s playing time, but that could still work with judicious platooning, so that’s another consideration, though the fit would be tight in terms of roster spots.

That decision surely won’t be made today, and regardless of how it goes down, there’s some outfield shuffling remaining to be done. But who cares? It’s easily worth it when you’re getting Soto in the bargain; I’d contort my roster far more than these permutations to replace plate appearances from Franchy Cordero and Isiah Kiner-Falefa with a generational talent. It’s nothing more than a minor footnote in the deal; I’d consider replacing the lost pitching to be far more important.

In the end, that’s true of pretty much everything in this trade that isn’t “the Yankees now have Juan Soto.” Sure, it cost them some prospects. Sure, they have to shore up their rotation. Sure, they have too many corner outfielders. But their biggest failing in recent years has been a lack of superstar talent. It’s been Judge and a bunch of supporting actors, and none of them are exactly up for Oscars for their recent performance. Look at the dominant offenses in the game: they all have multiple stud hitters.

Think of it this way: to get an offense that’s 15% better than average in aggregate, you could try to find nine hitters who are each 15% better than average. That’s really hard, though. Even finding four hitters who are 30% better than average, one 15% better, and four who are average is tough. They aren’t just handing out hitters 30% better than average at the corner bodega; only 17 qualifying hitters hit that mark last year. Even if you have one superstar who’s 60% better than average, you’d need several other excellent hitters to make the whole thing tick, particularly after accounting for catcher and up-the-middle defenders. The real best plan is to get two guys who are 60% better than average instead of just one. It just makes everyone else’s job easier. That’s the power of multiple stars.

If you take nothing else away from this article, let it be this: this is the way the Yankees used to act. Back when they were THE YANKEES in all caps — when they were calling themselves a fully operational Death Star, when the Imperial March played and felt sincere rather than ironic — they were a magnet for guys like Soto. In recent years, they’ve turned into a pitching development factory and scrimped and saved with fringy multi-positional hitters. Only trading for Stanton and signing Cole have broken up the Yankees’ recent string of financial prudence. No offense to Kiner-Falefa, Jake Bauers, and Oswaldo Cabrera, but these weren’t your father’s Yankees, or even your older sister’s.

Now, they might be again. Maybe this won’t all work out. Maybe they won’t follow up with more signings. Maybe Steve Cohen’s Mets are the new biggest game in town. But 15 years ago, trades like this felt inevitable. An invisible magnetic current pulled the biggest stars to the Bronx. That’s back on the menu, and more than anything else about this deal, that feels like a momentous occurrence to me.

Note: This story was updated immediately after publication when the trade remained on hold pending medical reviews. It remained updated for, I don’t know, five hours or so, making this author just a little bit nervous. It has now been restored to its original form, give or take a few jokes about the long delay in the opening paragraph.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago

Uh? Jumping the gun here?

Not Cole Ragans
2 years ago

Since this article came out <20 minutes ago, three more reporters have shown up to say that both sides have intensified talks and the trade is inches away!

It could happen any minute now!! It’s so close we won’t even know when it happens!!

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago

Really — changing the headline to “poised to”? Good grief. QFT

fjtorres
2 years ago

Considering the other “Soto” piece today, they want to corner the market for Soto clicks.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Dan and Eric will write their pieces tomorrow.

Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
2 years ago

Apparently, not jumping the gun, but getting the scoop…gotta take risk sometimes to be first!

mstacey9
2 years ago

Yall gotta stop putting out articles saying “actually this is a good trade for the team that gave away Juan Soto”. Padres got one legit major leaguer in King. The others are all borderline guys with Higashioka being a backup catcher destined to be Rene Rivera soon. Please stop acting like both sides are playing 4D chess and smart. This was a simple take advantage of a bad padres ownership situation and give up nothing for a year of excellent talent.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

Soto is a free agent in a year and making around $30M this year. He doesn’t have that much surplus value.

esperadok
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

There are very few players who would improve even the deepest rosters. Soto is one of them. Players who can reliably hit for a 150 wRC+ are so rare that it doesn’t really matter what their contract looks like, any team who seriously wants to win should be interested in them.

mstacey9
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

The players received are not good in 2024 and won’t be beyond. They traded him for nothing

whatmonster
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

But let’s be reasonable: for the Padres, this trade was about reducing salary.

Directly from the article.

mstacey9
2 years ago
Reply to  whatmonster

Okay? Doesn’t change the fact that this continues to be a bad thing for teams and saying “actually this is very smart for both sides” is just boring justification. It’s the “both sides have a point” that’s in politics. Sometimes, one side is actively wrong, in this case the padres are severely wrong

ScottThormanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

It’s FanGraphs man, you have to applaud teams who make super super sharp trades for “surplus value” while simultaneously tsk tsk-ing organizations that refuse to spend money in free agency.

awalnohaMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  ScottThorman

I love the Scott Thorman name btw

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  ScottThorman

The Padres are in a unique spot by being an atypically big spender in a year where they missed the playoffs, their RSN deal collapsed, and their owner died. One of the rare situations where the “need to reduce payroll” that teams love to claim actually is justified.

baubo
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

Different teams have different priorities. Clearly the Padres priority is shedding salary and rebuilding. So from that context they’re not wrong. They just tried to build a super-team and it didn’t work, so they’re just going the other direction.

Last edited 2 years ago by baubo
ellocomofoMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

There is a reason the focus of this article is on the Yankees and what they needed to do as opposed to what the Padres would actually be getting back for Soto. Seriously couldn’t pull even one 55+ FV prospect for a year of Soto? Depth only matters if you have the roster to compete. King may be a decent number 3 (with a significant innings limit at least for 2024 and only controllable until 2025), but everything else is just filler.

Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  ellocomofo

King has been stretched out to 160 IP before. Any innings limit will be very generous.

CliffH
2 years ago
Reply to  ellocomofo

If King were a prospect he would obviously be 55+ which means a little better than an average big leaguer.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  CliffH

Mike King’s only a good big league player.

A 55 FV prospect good be ANYTHING!

It could even be a good big league player!

John WickMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  ellocomofo

How many teams were in on Soto? IMO the salary is less relevant from a surplus value standpoint and more relevant from a market size standpoint. There just aren’t all that many teams willing (not able but willing) to take on $33M for a year. The return reflects that small number of buyers.

sbf21
2 years ago
Reply to  ellocomofo

King will prove to be more than an average 3. He has the ability to be a strong #2.

darren
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

Contrast with the reaction to the Red Sox trading Mookie Betts.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  darren

If you want the Padres to look good by comparison, sure. Boston ownership decided they didn’t want to pay for Mookie (despite him wanting to stay), and then traded him for hilarious peanuts. San Diego went for it, lost, now has to pay for it, and still managed to get an above average, controllable SP and others.

baubo
2 years ago
Reply to  darren

The Red Sox is one of the biggest market in all of MLB. According to 2022 revenue rankings they raked in 513mil while the Padres 324mil. It’s at least reasonable to expect the Padres shed salary after spending splurge. While the Red Sox crying poor simply doesn’t make sense.

And this doesn’t even account for the fact that Soto was a Padre for 1.5 years and Mookie was a local hero for his entire career with the Red Sox.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

The Padres ownership got in trouble for outspending their cash flow last season – they might be the only team in the league for whom it’s unfair to knock their willingness to spend.

Also…Thorpe’s a pretty legit prospect!

If King-the-Starter is 2/3 of what he showed down the stretch, this is a much better return than what the Sox got for Mookie.

KervinMember since 2020
2 years ago

Red Sox also included about $48m of David Price’s salary in that trade, which I think people sometimes forget. So just comparing the prospect returns straight up can be a little misleading.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Kervin

Read the first paragraph and try again.

I look forward to the edit.

Last edited 2 years ago by Cool Lester Smooth
Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

Downvote away, lads!

It’s a hell of a lot easier than building an affirmative argument as to why any mildly informed individual would defend FSG by pointing towards their making a bigger salary dump than an ownership group who literally had to take out a loan to pay their bills in the fall, haha.

MichaelMember since 2020
2 years ago

lol

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Seriously, haha.

John Henry bought an NHL team after the next season!

KervinMember since 2020
2 years ago

I honestly have no idea why you thought I was defending FSG with my comment. I was just pointing out that the Red Sox packaged Mookie with a way underwater contract (Price), so their prospect return was lower as a result.

You can think that that was a bad decision (I’m sure many do). But it seemed to me like your comparison to the Mookie trade was forgetting the Price piece of it, and that contract relief was part of what Boston received.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Kervin

I didn’t think you were “defending FSG.”

I was just pointing out that the first sentence of my initial comment laid out exactly why the Padres are perhaps the only team in the MLB for whom cutting payroll is a bona fide need, rather than a want.

If I misread things, and you were taking the piss out of Henry’s placing a higher priority on cost-cutting than a team that was underwater financially before its most willing-to-spend owner died in November, then I do apologize.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

King might be wishing he was a bit less effective down the stretch last year – he pitched himself right off the Yankees.

Thorpe could be good. But yeah, the rest are borderline.

Last edited 2 years ago by synco
catmanwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

Why would a hyper competitive athlete sacrifice future career earnings by tanking himself?

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

It was a (partial) joke – obviously everybody wants to do well. But he’s from Rochester, so presumably he enjoyed pitching for the Yankees.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

Notably, his dad at least is/was a huge Red Sox fan. It was A Thing at some point.

catmanwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

So what else were they gonna do? Let Soto become a free agent and only get some 3rd round draft pick when he rejects the QO? The Padres weren’t going to get far with him next year anyway since they lacked pitching and depth.

dl80Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

Why are they trading for a 28-year-old reliever with just 2 years of control if they are rebuilding? Unless they plan to flip King, which actually might be a good idea.

catmanwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  dl80

I think they think they can still kind of compete, even with 1/3 of an outfield, but they need pitching bad. Their staff before this trade that hasn’t actually happened yet is just Darvish, Musgrove, and a bunch of replacement level guys. King probably shores up 80-100 innings, which is cool I guess. Brito is a 5th starter but he’ll eat 150-170 innings. Thorpe is the prize, as his stuff is really good and his command can be elite. He’s also pretty close to MLB ready, so he can come up and shove pretty soon.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

Also, they have a Top 10 prospect in Merrill who currently doesn’t have a spot in the IF.

Warning Track Power
2 years ago
Reply to  dl80

You haven’t actually seen King pitch, have you?

He’s a lot better than people think.

Before giving up 4ER in 4IP on 3 homers in his last start of the season against the Royals, in his previous 7 starts (being stretched out at the beginning) he gave up no homers (can’t give up no homers forever, okay), 6R 4ER in 34.1IP with 25 hits and 47K.

Those seven starts were: WSN DET HOU MIL BOS TOR TOR.

He’s been talked about as a potential starter for years and he was given his first real opportunity and showed he can start for any team.

What could he develop into while in that role permanently? Maybe nothing, but the last “middle rotation” guy that we traded away was Jordan Montgomery. You might have heard that he’s performed as a front-of-the-rotation guy since.

Last edited 2 years ago by Warning Track Power
sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

Sorry dude but this is a really good deal for one year of almost any player. There are other players who are better and where I might say this was a too light for one year of them (Ohtani, Acuna) but this is more than fair. King is a bit of a wild-card—somewhere between a 3-win starter and a fireman reliever—but it’s good. Thorpe is potentially one of the top 10 pitching hitters prospects in the game right now. It’s a good return.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yep – and even the reliever version of King looks like a 2-win guy, when healthy!

In a world where 200 games of Paul Sewald is worth FAR MORE than 360 games of a 2-3 WAR guy and a couple interesting prospects…the Padres traded 160 games of a 5-6 WAR guy for 320 games of someone twice as good as Paul Sewald, a good prospect, and a few interesting depth guys!

Scientifically speaking…this makes Preller an amazing detective slash genius!!!!

Last edited 2 years ago by Cool Lester Smooth
airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agreed

marinmccoveysMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

But it’s not one year of any player, it’s actually 3 contract years at below market rates once you include Grisham in the calculation. Soto is so good that pundits are forgetting that Grisham is actually a pretty solid CF, and a good bet to displace Verdugo in the starting OF rotation at some point during the year. So yes, it’s a “good return” if your goal is to cut your budget and give up on winning for a year, but it’s clearly a favorable deal to the team trying to win now.

dl80Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

Totally agree. King hasn’t been anywhere close to a full-time starter since 2018 in the low minors, and we’re all suddenly so sure he’ll be a valuable starter? Is he 2012 Jeff Samardzija?

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  dl80

So “low minors” is now AA & AAA? What would the “high” minors even constitute? He pitched at three levels that season (all of the A*s) starting 24 of 25 appearances and clocking over 160 IP.

He looked sharp as hell as a regular starter at the end of the year (other than a last-day-of-the-season clunker @ KC). This included two very strong starts against teams fighting for playoff spots (HOU, MIL) and two strong starts against a playoff team (TOR).

Sleepy
2 years ago

“What would the ‘high’ minors even constitute?”

The A’s. The answer, sadly, is the A’s.

[goes back to thinking about John Fisher’s dog accidentally jumping on his balls, every day, for the rest of his miserable life]

Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  mstacey9

Soto has now been traded twice for a haul of prospects. It will be interesting to see which group – the group the Nats got or the group the Friars just got – put up more WAR in the end.

It makes sense that Soto’s a Yankee. I wonder if Cashman can convince Boras to let Soto sign a year early…it will take a lot of cash, perhaps even more than the $440M the Nats offered.

Seattle Homer
2 years ago

That spray chart makes me want to go find a video of his triple. I’m guessing/assuming a bad misplay by the CF, and maybe the RF as well?

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  Seattle Homer

Was thinking the same about his double to the mound. Non-error/error popup?

Last edited 2 years ago by synco
synco
2 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

That’s sufficiently quirky.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Thanks for the link. You are awesome.

RobertMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Corbin Carroll is a great defender but his weakness is definitely his arm and that’s very hard for him to get it in in time (hard play for any player)

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Oh, so the extra base hits are marked where the ball first lands or is touched, not necessarily where it stops moving. Then why is there a double marked in foul territory? Did the ump blow the call and it wasn’t challenged?

sbf21
2 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Who was the annoying women who talked over the triple?

SteveMcAnderson
2 years ago
Reply to  Seattle Homer

<snail>

Last edited 2 years ago by SteveMcAnderson
JeremyMember since 2016
2 years ago

Has the deal actually been confirmed/finalized yet? Seems like it’s been “almost done” all day now.

ccjl
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy

Finalized about a half hour ago per Morosi

catmanwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy

It’s been “almost done” for what feels like a whole week now.

souldrummer
2 years ago

As a Nationals fan, I’ll be rooting for Soto wherever he lands. He brought us a title and Jumpstarted the rebuild. I hope he has a long well renumerated career in pinstripes and like miguel cabrera, remembers fondly the only championship he earned when life was simpler. May the Yankees spend there way into oblivion like last year’s Mets!

GreggMember since 2020
2 years ago

Number of articles Ben titled today that say Yankees acquired Soto: 2
Number of times Yankees actually acquired Soto at time of publications: 0

synco
2 years ago

Forget the Yankees, I want to read about the end (or end-ish, a lot of those contracts are still around) of the Padres experiment. Somehow their small-market superteam felt under-covered, presumably due to the fact that they didn’t win much.

darren
2 years ago

My initial take: the Padres got a lot of decent players instead of any standouts, and also included Grisham. I don’t get it.

loria_estefan
2 years ago
Reply to  darren

the Dads are still competitive with Tatis, Machado, etc. and now, they’ve addressed their SP depth behind Yu and Musgrove. of course, now they’re devoid of OF depth so…TBD?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  darren

It’s a massive bet on King looking like a #2 down the stretch…forced by the bona fide cashflow issues last season.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
2 years ago

Yes, MLB didn’t give them the $48 million promised when their TV deal went poof as quickly as the RSN was supposed to, so they took out a bridge loan. It’s not like they are turning into the A’s, they are still going to spend $200 million. The issue really wasn’t cashflow, it’s that salaries were too heavily allocated to hitters. So, why not trade the guy who was probably going to walk anyway?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  tbwhite67

Oh, for sure…but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the bridge loan was leaked for them, while other teams’ never are.

achidesterMember since 2020
2 years ago

Agreed.

realitypolice
2 years ago

I’m sorry to learn from this article that Luis Campusano has been abducted by aliens.

The Original DrewMember since 2021
2 years ago

I know everyone expects the deal to get done, but what exactly is holding it up? Medicals? I feel like if that was the case, there would be a trade was agreed to and the names released. Seems like something else is happening.

fjtorres
2 years ago

An interesting deal if it happens.
(Fool me once, and all that.)

A couple thoughts?:

Cutting Stanton? Why? Cutting him and eating *all* his salary nets nothing. Eating 70/80% might net a low A prospect or a project. Better than nothing? Maybe Miami woud take him back to DH. Or a team going nowhere.

Grisham has a weird reverse platoon split given his generally mild bat. The yanks with Soto can afford him as a CF regular but I suspect they have other plans for him. 4th OF might even be a reach.

Finally, Mr Yamamoto will be getting whatever he asks for. It all comes down to where he wants to go: SF, LA, NYY, NYM, or any of a dozens teams. Odds say Yanks, if it’s about the money.

johansantana17Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I don’t think Cohen is going to get outbid by anyone for Yamamoto.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

My sense is similar to yours. If Yamamoto goes elsewhere it will probably not be due to money.

Chili Davis Eyes
2 years ago

No need to release Stanton; Grisham can play CF and Soto can DH whenever he (inevitably) goes on the DL.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

I’d argue there’s a clear reason to release Stanton:

He’s cooked, and the roster spot is better used on literally anyone who might not be.

catmanwayne
2 years ago

They have a full outfield even without Stanton. Judge/Grisham/Verdugo (RF/CF/LF) with Soto likely at LF/DH, and Bader as the backup. They could also put Soto in left some days, slide Verdugo to right, and have Judge DH to save his legs.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

Isn’t Bader a FA?

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

He didn’t even finish the season with the Yanks — he was waived before the postseason deadline in late August to make room for Dominiguez.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago

Given the fact that Anthony Rizzo hasn’t played in months after entering concussion protocols six weeks too late, I’d be trying Stanton and Soto out at 1B. Something like:

SS: Volpe R
1B: Soto L
RF: Judge R
LF: Verdugo L
2B: Torres R
C: Wells L
DH: Stanton R
CF: Grisham L
3B: LeMahieu R

Looks a whole lot better on balance than what they threw out last year, and that’s before Dominguez comes back late season (presumably DH only.

chisoxmatt
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

2)Verdugo
3)Soto
4)Judge

Deadly….

David Klein
2 years ago
Reply to  chisoxmatt

one guy sticks out as a sore thumb there

David Klein
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

Volpe had a sub .300 obp this past year he shouldn’t be leading off to start the year.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

He bounced around the lineup last year, but seemed to have most success out of the leadoff slot (that was just my impression, could be wrong). One would hope he improves that OBP after his rookie season.

coolcoolcoolMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

I’ll preface this with: 1 year of batting order splits are almost certainly not predictive, so whatever he did in the leadoff spot last year should really have no bearing on his lineup spot this year.

But even if it were predictive, he hit .191/.276/.346 in 123 PAs from the leadoff spot last year.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Bat Soto lead off, start off almost half of your games with a baserunner.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

Juan Soto should be the Yankee leadoff hitter next year. Full stop.

If it’s going to be anyone else, it’d likely be Torres/LeMahieu depending on who’s doing well, with Volpe only sliding in if he shows he isn’t going to put up a OBP that starts with a 2.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I am the founding member of the Juan Soto bandwagon club so I feel a little weird saying this: People who are saying this is such a terrible deal for the Padres and such a great deal for the Yankees are missing why he is so dang intriguing player. He is intriguing because he is something like 5 years away from starting his decline phase. That’s why he is going to get something like $400M over 13 years or whatever. He has a lower chance of having a 6+ win season in 2024 than guys like Betts, Freeman,
Judge, etc. But over the next 7 years or whatever Soto is probably going to have more seasons like that than any of those guys. The Yankees, unless they extend him, are only getting him for one of those years.

Soto is a weird case. He’s on a Hall of Fame trajectory and probably has a bunch of elite seasons in front of him but just for next year his case doesn’t look too different than a lot of other top players in the league.

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Man’s a menace in the batter’s box for sure, but it seems optimistic to foresee many 6+ win seasons in a player who’s already a butcher in a corner outfield spot and one of the worst baserunners in MLB at age 24.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

It’s the denominator that matters here. He has so many more chances to put it all together and have a supernova season than guys 5-10 years older than him. Maybe it’s not next year, or the year after, but there are just so many possible good years ahead of him.

But of course, he’s only under contract for one, which is why I think many of the people super excited for this deal are kind of missing the point.

(I also think the projection systems are overrating him a bit but Steamer has has him at 6.4. So it’s not crazy at all to think he’ll have one next year anyway, even if I’m a little skeptical).

EasyenoughMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The springs on that bandwagon are creaking – founding member? Join the rest of us Nats fans.

If Soto’s last year is what the Yankees get this year, it will feel like they overpaid despite his ostensibly high WAR. Assuming they fix pitching, and if, instead, Soto has a season from his 80th percentile outcome (8.5 WAR?), they immediately get good odds to do well in the playoffs. How many single players can give you a 1/5 chance to do well?

Plus, in the largest media market, Soto is a pleasure to watch, his interviews are funny, and his relationships with other players like Acuna are MLB marketing gold.

johansantana17Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Easyenough

I think Soto will love playing for the Yankees, go off in his highly anticipated contract year, and win the AL MVP.

raregokusMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You know, I generally enjoy your comments on here, but sometimes you do weird things like declare that you were in on Soto before anyone else. It’d be one thing if it had anything to do with the content of the post, but it doesn’t, so it just looks like you’re trying to say “I told you so” to a bunch of people who don’t care about your opinion on Juan Soto from 2017 or whatever.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  raregokus

Fair enough.

joe_schlabotnik
2 years ago
Reply to  raregokus

Feel weirdly compelled to chime in here and defend brother trombone. He was extremely on the Soto bandwagon, the proof is in the pudding if you look back at the earliest articles mentioning him. And often brother trombones input is very spot on, despite him caring way too much about defense, which doesn’t matter. ST could probably write for this website if he wanted to, and plus there’s a weird sort of community here, which you don’t seem to get.

And plus, predicting Soto to become one of the best players in the league when he debuted was not like a popular opinion. By any means. He was like barely noted as a prospect and even in I think 2020 the Mets booth said “his power isn’t here to stay”. So, yeah I’d definitely brag about it if I nailed it as much as he did. So yeah you must be grumpy or something, I am sorry you didn’t sleep well.
But I hope your day got a lot better mr gokus

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synco
2 years ago

Soto was extremely highly thought of prospect – the only reason he was never a top-5 guy was because the Nationals brought him up before he could become one. BP had him ranked #57 on their 2017 list, and he was in the 20s on most 2018 lists.

For reference, his slashes:
17: (2016, Rookie ball and A-): .368/.420/.553
18: (2017, Rookie ball and A): .351/.415/.505
19: (2018, A/A+/AA): .362/.462/.757

At which point the Nationals had seen enough and brought him up, at which point he went .292/.406/.517 in 494 PAs as a 19 year old, ye gads.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Also, I strongly suspect that the Yankees are going to be going with a Soto-Grisham-Judge alignment before long. I know Verdugo probably is going to get first shot over Grisham but Grisham is a legitimate center fielder who can let Judge handle a corner more often. And there’s probably not much of a drop off on offense either.

dl80Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s not ideal, but a Verdugo/Stanton platoon in corner outfield or DH would work. Verdugo can’t really hit lefties, and Stanton seemingly can only hit lefties.

catmanwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think the Yankees would do well to have Judge DH sometimes to keep him healthier.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m expecting Verdugo to be a super-sub, playing like 4 days a week to spell Judge and Soto in the field, with Judge playing CF when Grisham sits.

jaykaydeeMember since 2018
2 years ago

yeah the other part of this is that Verdugo is a long-side platoon player, not an everyday player – he has a 115 wRC+ vs. righties but 80 wRC+ vs. lefties. He should definitely never face a lefty. Grisham of course plays excellent CF defense and does weirdly have a reverse platoon split (110 wRC+ vs. lefties, 92 wRC+ vs. righties) so those pieces fit together pretty well. You don’t really want Judge playing CF more than 20-30 games and barring injury there’s no reason he should.

GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2024
2 years ago

‘Soto at home’ kicked out by Soto

hambonehamboneMember since 2021
2 years ago

Why eat money on Stanton when he’s an elite lefty killer? They’re clearly paying for him regardless and mashing lefties does have some value. Verdugo ain’t so great against southpaws in general over his career. I don’t think you need to be Gabe Kapler to realize you just start Verdugo in LF and Soto at DH vs righties and Soto in LF with Stanton at DH against lefties. Keep it a little loose for the times when Stanton is on a tear and he starts a bit more generally and that’s that.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
2 years ago

As a Padres season ticket holder, I am conflicted. On the one hand, I know Soto is great. On the other hand, he was a bitter disappointment to me as a Padre. There have been times where Machado and/or Tatis have been or felt like dominant players. During those times, when they came to the plate in a critical situation, I absolutely 100% believed they would deliver. I never once had that feeling about Juan Soto. I know that sounds stupid when we are talking about someone who posted an OPS of almost 1.000 in the 2nd half of this year, but I think a lot of Padres fans felt the same way. Maybe he’s too consistent and sort of flies under the radar. His pitiful defense didn’t help his cause. Anyway, I know I should be sad to see him go, but I’m not, at all.

tung_twista
2 years ago

The Yankees need this kind of firepower badly. Non-Judge Yankees hit an unbelievable .224/.296/.381 last season, good for an 87 wRC+

When you make this kind of move for an average hitter (cough Verdugo cough), it can feel too cute by half — transactions for the sake of transactions.

I have a hard time understanding why Ben hates the Verdugo trade so much. 
The best non-Judge Yankee outfielder was Bader with wRC+ 74 fwar 1.2. 
The next one was McKinney with wRC+ 101 fwar 0.4. 

But their biggest failing in recent years has been a lack of superstar talent.

Similarly, I disagree here. 
In the past three years,
Yankees hitters by fwar goes

Judge 22.5
Torres 7.4
LeMahieu 6.2
Trevino 4.6
Higashioka 4.0

They’ve been giving way too much playing time to below average players.

David Klein
2 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

When Trevino and Higgy are in your top five in fwar over that period you know your position player is shallow, geez. Judge is just a metronome but you knew that already.

Chip LockeMember since 2016
2 years ago

Great points all around here, but I think the unspoken hope here is that Verdugo and Grisham get shipped out and they run a Stanton-Judge-Soto outfield.

curt schillings ketchup bottle
2 years ago
Reply to  Chip Locke

That outfield would stay healthy for about a week

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago

I think Stanton got hurt reading that comment.

Chip LockeMember since 2016
2 years ago

I was completely kidding about this, by the way. I’d like to see it once, just for the Yankees to one-up Philly in its quest to prove that Outfield Defense is a myth.

CJMember since 2020
2 years ago

A long time Yankee fan who basically stopped watching after they acquired Stanton – and promptly saw them getting pitched against SO EASILY in the playoffs.

I guess Cashman didn’t want to lose his job.

Now, only if they do something about the manager…

EstebanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  CJ

Stanton caused you to stop watching the team? They made 2 ALCS after that

CJMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Esteban

Yes – what happened in those ALCS, against a team basically without a left handed reliever?

jreyn24Member since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  CJ

Peak spoiled NYY fan

Chip LockeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  CJ

You live a tough life

Chip LockeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  CJ

Also, how did you know about all of this if you didn’t watch them?

fartinyourface
2 years ago

It’s too obvious of a move, so you just know the Yankees will keep rolling Stanton’s corpse out there instead of just DFAing him.

curt schillings ketchup bottle
2 years ago
Reply to  fartinyourface

Even the Yankees don’t want to light 100 million on fire

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago

The $100M is already burning, the question is whether you want to sit there and breathe in the fumes or let it burn somewhere else.

shampain
2 years ago

Only trading for Stanton and signing Cole have broken up the Yankees’ recent string of financial prudence.”

Huh? They signed the most expensive position player free agent last offseason, and then second-most expensive pitcher free agent last offseason, a total commitment of nearly half a billion dollars. I don’t know where the Yankees total payroll ended up ranking because of how much the Mets shed in-season, but the Yankees were either first or second, and there was like a $50 million gap to third.

They’ve been spending plenty of money. They just haven’t been spending it well.

tung_twista
2 years ago
Reply to  shampain

Yankees MLB payroll rank past 10 years (* denotes years they paid luxury tax)
2014 2*
2015 2*
2016 2*
2017 7*
2018 7
2019 3*
2020 2*
2021 2
2022 3*
2023 2*

During this time period, Yankees are 2nd in payroll behind the Dodgers and 3rd in regular season wins behind the Dodgers and the Astros which all sound good.
But of course, the fans who experienced the Yankees juggernaut of the late 90’s and 00’s are severely disappointed at the lack of World Series appearance.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Two of the four longest pennant droughts the Yankees have had in the last hundred years have come in the last 20 years. If the Yankees don’t make the World Series this year, they’ll break their current tie for the longest pennant drought they’ve had since acquiring Babe Ruth in 1920, at 14 years (1981-1996). After that, the longest drought was 11 years (1964-1976), followed by 5 years (2003-2009). Outside of that they haven’t had a gap of more than 3 years between World Series appearances (1929-1931; 1933-1935; 1944-1946). In the 18 year period between 1947 and 1964, they won 15 pennants (every year except 1948, 1954, and 1959). So yeah, this is an historic World Series drought for them.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

The 80s-90s gap was really only 13 years considering there were no Pennants awarded in 1994.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

So are Yankees fans aware of how much more money the Yankees take in every year than literally any other team in the league.

The predominant theme of the Yankees’ spending over the last decade or so is that they’ve been penny wise and pound foolish.

The owner wants to duck under the LT every couple of years while AND make the playoffs every year, so they’ve spent plenty of money, but prioritized flexibility over sustainable roster building.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago

The problem has been that the Yankees’ player development team has basically hit once — and while they hit the jackpot there — on position players in the last decade or so with the jury still out on the current batch of young guys on the roster (Volpe, Wells, Dominiguez, Periera, Peraza, Cabrera).

You’re constantly playing catch-up there, and the Yankees have constantly raided the pitching dev side continually to trade for dudes to hit baseballs.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago

That isn’t in and of itself a bad thing – their pitching development team is so strong that they can afford to build great young pitchers and then ship them out for valuable assets. That’s not a terrible way to team build. The problem has been that the assets they’ve received back in the last few years have been atrocious (Joey Gallo; Harrison Bader; Andrew Benintendi; Frankie Montas). They’ve lost a TON of valuable pitcdhing assets in the last week, and the team hopes that the return is better. If Soto hits like 2023, forget 2021, then that’ll be perfectly fine.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

Let me rephrase slightly: the Yankees have two core competencies right now: creating pop-up arms that they can flip for assets and developing MI guys to the point where they traded Thairo Estrada for cash.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

Of course…Thairo Estrada is a hell of a lot better and cheaper than the guy they traded Gary Sanchez for.

And I do mean either. And/or both.

Last edited 2 years ago by Cool Lester Smooth
Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

“It’s not half a dozen…it’s six!!!!!”

The Yankees are starting Year 15 of overpaying for 3-5 years of good players in their 30s, rather than paying 10 years of market value for great players in their mid-20s.

In fairness, though…they’ve managed to spend far less of their gross revenue on player salaries than the Rays have, over that span!!!!

Hal’s right to be confused as to why fans are mad.

shampain
2 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Sure, but the juggernauts of the 90s and 00s were built on steroids users escaping the natural aging curve (plus a playoff format that much more strongly rewarded division winners, plus an AL East division that was mostly pretty bad at the time). It’s not feasible to win every year like that now even if you have the deepest pockets in the league, which the Yankees don’t.

Like, the Yankees did what they did in the 90s and 00s: they used their financial muscle to acquire Stanton and Tulo and all these guys that they’ve been paying the past decade. They just aren’t aging the same way that Clemens and Sheffield and Giambi did, so using payroll to acquire these guys isn’t as effective of a strategy anymore.

Ben and the entire FG staff can yell about cheap owners all they want to, but the game isn’t called “Redistribution”. There are a variety of ways to team-build now, and arguably the Yankees have struggled because they haven’t picked any of them. They are wasteful.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  shampain

Just want to let you know that people aren’t downvoting you because you mentioned steroids.

They’re downvoting you because this entire comment is gibberish with no relation to reality.

carterMember since 2020
2 years ago

Is Soto open to being primarily a DH a year before fee agency? I highly doubt he is, and highly doubt they didn’t discuss this. I would guess w Boras Soto would have said straight up he will not resign if primarily a DH and lost trade value.

David Klein
2 years ago
Reply to  carter

I think the one year of control is what did that I don’t think teams had an issue playing him in the field for a year despite his not good defense.

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TheGarrettCooperFanClub
2 years ago
Reply to  carter

Or perhaps Soto wants to DH more this season so he can stay healthy before FA?

snapperMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  carter

Why would you DH him? He’s only about -3 runs/150 for his career.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  snapper

Especially if they can hide him in the Yankee Stadium RF.

Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
2 years ago

Aside from the fact that it sucks they decided to trade him at all, this is a really good trade for the Padres. They needed a good defensive catcher to pair with Campusano and force him to DH, and Higashioka fits that bill perfectly. He gets totally overlooked because he’s “just a BUC”, but that has everything to do with how overcrowded that position has been in the Bronx over the last few years, and little to do with Higgy himself. In just 260 PA this year, he was 17th among catchers in fWAR. Just give him 400 PA, and he’ll be top ten at his position.

With King you get something between the bullpen ace he’s been since he was put there in 2020, and the ace ace he was when he went back to the rotation this August. Thorpe is easily a top-100 prospect, and based on how well he made the jump to AA he may be ready for the bigs by the ASB. Vazquez and Brito aren’t terribly valuable, but they’re useful SP depth.

All in all they lost 7-8 2023 fWAR, but they’re gaining back six wins or so, shedding $30M, and keeping the players they’ve acquired for longer than the Yankees are. It’s a really good job of salvaging a bad situation.

nahMember since 2026
2 years ago

If Padre fans were disappointed and complaining about a player who put up .405/.488 while walking more than striking out in a pitcher’s park, then I cannot imagine the outrage of Yankee fans when Soto has a .225 BA in mid-may and is not hitting enough ground-ball singles for the crowd. He will probably be run out of town if he doesn’t win MVP.

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JLanDC
2 years ago

A player so good that two teams have already gotten rid of him, and that number could increase to three at the ’24 trading deadline. There’s something unsettling about all of this. Has any player even been this much of a hot potato?

Last edited 2 years ago by JLanDC
Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  JLanDC

Rogers Hornsby played for 4 teams in 4 years between 1926 and 1929, during which he did this:
1926, Cardinals: 4.6 fWAR
1927, Giants: 10.4 fWAR
1928, Braves: 8.9 fWAR
1929, Cubs: 11.0 fWAR

Those weren’t his best seasons, to be clear (from 1920-1925 he led the National League in Batting Average, OBP, and SLG each year, putting up 9.7, 11.1, 10.5, 7.0, 12.2, and 10.7 fWAR), but still nothing to sneeze at.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

And that doesn’t even take into account the time he spent managing Jimmy Dugan!

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

I believe Rogers Hornsby was known as a grade-A a-hole.

NATS FanMember since 2018
2 years ago

The evil empire is evil again!

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

They’ve turned into the First Order!

curt schillings ketchup bottle
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

They’ve redoubled their efforts and almost completed the death sta- ummmm, I mean star killer!!!

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

What’s that?

It sounds like a dumb cop-out used to avoid telling a new story.

tomerafan
2 years ago

I think there’s one key point being missed, especially in the comments and in comparison to Mookie Betts.

Mookie Betts loved Boston but wanted a fair long-term contract. He would have signed a deal at the value he was looking for. The Red Sox, whether right or wrong, decided not to pay him that value and trade him rather than sign him.

Juan Soto wants out of the Padres. He can’t stand the environment, the clubhouse, etc. He’s not resigning with the Padres no matter what, and so they have no choice but to trade him and maximize baseball return. And because of the issues in the clubhouse, it actually makes sense to move him now rather than bring him back for a half-season and flip him at the deadline.

I am absolutely shocked that they were able to get King (2-3 win pitcher) + Thorpe (rising top-100 prospect arm) for Soto in this situation, never mind shore up the backup catcher spot and add two other arms. They had about as little trade leverage as possible beyond “Juan Soto is a top five player in baseball.” Everything else was stacked against them.

But what they had going for them was the Yankees need to make a splash. And they took advantage of it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

I’m curious to know where you got this from. I don’t think it’s wrong, there’s a reason why the managers keep getting fired, but I would be interested to hear how Soto himself fits into that story.

tomerafan
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I start with how private a guy Juan Soto is. Like, maybe not Ohtani-level private, but he has said publicly that his relationship with the Nationals turned when they publicized some of his contract discussions. Dude doesn’t like to give quotes or information.

Then in August he is quoted about how the team is inconsistent, “gives up” on a day to day basis – “Days like this series, we just give up. Like literally, we just give up instead of keep grinding, keep pushing. We’ve got to forget about yesterday and keep moving.”

After that we get some quotes about friction between Soto and Machado, unsourced. And then in September, we had quotes about the team not having a “winning culture,” again unsourced. Soto then reportedly took issue with Manny Machado’s view that clubhouse culture doesn’t really matter. (I’ll post that in a separate comment because links these days sometimes get quarantined.)

Finally, there have been reports from unnamed players that are presumed to include Soto that the “Padres way” includes letting each player dictate their own workout schedule, training plan, etc. where the unnamed players believe that part of baseball is a team atmosphere that extends beyond the gameday lineup. Given Soto’s other comments, I’m surmising that he is one of the unnamed players, but I may be making a leap there.

My favorite line from an article – not sure who to attribute this to because it is unsourced:
<i>What some did maintain was that because Machado is such a significant voice, his not following through on the little things set a tone that essentially could not be overcome. To ask a Padres player why no one could confront Machado on these matters is to be looked at as if you have six heads. </i>

The headline was “Machado is the dominant personality.” The reporting doesn’t seem to suggest that the issue is about that… it’s about the overall environment fostering a culture of individuality rather than a team culture. But that’s not Juan Soto, and it’s why it was a foregone conclusion that he would be traded this offseason.

tomerafan
2 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Here’s the article with the unsourced quotes:
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2023-09-15/as-padres-season-spirals-questions-emerge-about-culture-cohesion-and-chemistry

My favorite part of Machado’s response:
All of Machado’s quotes herein are the result of a 30-minute conversation before Wednesday’s game against the Dodgers in Los Angeles, during which he bristled at some of the contentions regarding the team’s culture and his part in it while seeming to ponder on a portion of others.

He made it clear he does not believe that the Padres’ culture is a problem and, for that matter, strongly indicated he does not put much stock in the importance of cultivating a culture.

“What is this, college baseball?” he said at one point. “What is this, high school?”

Notably, the willingness to answer questions and confirm findings was for some players prompted by their desire for a change in the team’s culture and a belief it would help to have the issues come to light. The details shared by players are meant to strengthen the club, not tear it apart, they said.

Asked why these issues had not been solved internally, some people said the topics had been addressed to no avail. Some said they didn’t feel it was their place to be the agents of change, and three prominent members of the team based that on having asserted themselves or seen others assert themselves and it having not made a difference.

I would love to know who the “three prominent members of the team” are, but the straight mathematical odds are high that Soto is included.

sticka
2 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Where’s the reporting that Soto wanted out ASAP? I think he was exceedingly unlikely to sign an extension in San Diego and I think it is well documented that Machado has created clubhouse issues, but I’m not aware of the narrative that Soto hated San Diego.

tomerafan
2 years ago
Reply to  sticka

You put several words in your post that I didn’t say.

I didn’t say he “wanted out ASAP.” I said he “wanted out” and wasn’t going to resign.

I also didn’t say that he “hated” San Diego.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

While I agree that Soto was absolutely not resigning with the Padres, it is unfair to say he has any animosity towards the organization when there is no evidence of that besides the general frustration of a clearly good team that wasn’t winning. It is clear he wasn’t going to sign an extension anywhere for anything less than full fare FA rates and the Padres current financial situation means they can’t make that kind of offer.

tomerafan
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

I don’t know that he has any animosity towards the organization itself.

But I also don’t think it’s fair to say “there is no evidence of that besides the general frustration of a clearly good team that wasn’t winning” given the volume of information, sourced quotes, and unsourced quotes about the state of the Padres clubhouse. No way he would choose to co-exist with Manny Machado under those circumstances, and Machado is under contract for another 10 years…

sogoodlooking
2 years ago

Soto’s a fine hitter, to be sure, but the paroxysms over a 3.9, 5.5 fWAR player in 2022-23 are excessive. That was his total value in 2018-2019, and in 50 fewer games.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  sogoodlooking

Among Yankees players with at least 80 plate appearances last year, here are the leaders in wRC+:
Judge, 174
Torres, 123
McKinney, 101
LaMahieu, 101
Rizzo, 100
Calhoun, 96
Bauers, 89
Stanton, 89

This is a case where a 5 WAR player will be for-real adding 6 wins to a team, not replacing a 2 WAR player. It’s a big deal.

__AL
2 years ago

Between these trades and the Rule 5 Draft, the Yankees have lost a LOT of pitching depth over the past few days.

Last edited 2 years ago by __AL
sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  __AL

And that was after dumping a whole pile of pitching depth at the 22 deadline for Montas and Benintendi.

There’s some interesting guys still left (Beeter, Warren, Gomez, Gil) and I’m sure more arms will pop like they always seem to for the Yanks, but it’s definitely a lot shallower than it was.

williamnyy
2 years ago

Great overview, but two questions:

1) Is CF really a more physically exacting position to play, or is it just harder? Have there been any studies suggesting that the workload in CF takes a greater toll? Seems as if the physical needs of the position are being conflated with the physical demands.

2) At age 29 and several injuries in his past, are the projections for King too optimistic? And, even if his future is bright, would it have been reasonable for the Yankees to expect a full season from King when he has never thrown more than 100 innings in the majors? If the goal is to be best position in the postseason, maybe King wouldn’t have been the factor in 2024 that he might be going forward?

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

Mike King threw more than 100 IP last season, though not much more. He’s passed the 160 mark in the minors. I think 140-150 IP is certainly not out of the question, and you’ll likely get more out of him than that (standard pitcher caveats apply).

He’s also a “young” 29 in baseball age terms due to having a late May birthday.

And yes I know I’m coming off as a King fanboy, because I kinda am.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

Just the fact that the CF has to catch or chase more balls in the gaps than the COers do suggests that it’s a more physically demanding position.

Sandy Kazmir
2 years ago

With 4 years and 4 days of service, what are the odds Michael King is kept in the minors for a few weeks to net the Padres a third year of control?

David Klein
2 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

Not Preller’s way now Mike Elias otoh would do that.

Sandy Kazmir
2 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Every team does this. The league siding against the players in every single instance of this obvious manipulation means it will continue to happen well into the future.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

Not every team does it in such obvious cases, and granting service time to the winners and runners up of major awards (especially Rookie of the Year) is now a legitimate deterrent so that it doesn’t happen as often anymore.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

You answered the question in your first sentence:

The odds are zero, because he’s spent more than 4 years on a MLB roster.

Last edited 2 years ago by Cool Lester Smooth
Sandy Kazmir
2 years ago

I’m going to mark this as non-pertinent. A player needs five or more years of service before his consent on an option matters. As four is less than five the odds are certainly greater than zero. Hence the question.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

Read the rules again, champ.

Sandy Kazmir
2 years ago

Last paragraph, sir. It’s good to be humble. https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/minor-league-options

Glevin
2 years ago

Soto only has one year and he and Grisham make a lot of money so return seems fair but…I think Padres backed themselves into a corner by wanting a certain type of player (ready and near ready pitching)and so they got a lot of meh and I’d rather get a couple of exciting players versus a lot of OK players. Maybe King continues his breakout and it works out but prospects and players all seem more like supplemental pieces. A backup catcher, a possible middle of the rotation starter, some bullpen help, etc…I get that they’re trying to thread the needle and still compete but I think it really hurt the return here. It’s exactly the opposite of what they gave up to get him which was a ton of upside. Just horrible asset management by the Padres turning great prospects into mediocre ones for one year of Soto. Will the signing of Bogaerts go down as one of the strangest moves in baseball? He’s a very good player and will likely be for a few more years but the Padres already had TWO regulars who could play at SS and had an elite 3B and signing Bogaerts forced Cronenworth to first base where he is a terrible fit, and forced them to cut salary. Didn’t make sense at the time.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Glevin

Your definition of “exciting” is rather strict if you don’t think a mid-rotation starter and a really good pitching prospect don’t qualify as such.

PDR297Member since 2026
2 years ago

Why cut Stanton when he’ll just ride the IL for four years and the Yankees can collect insurance money?

jedicosmonautMember since 2025
2 years ago

Very strange that there is no mention of the overpay to Xander Bogaerts. All things considered, there has to be some regret in San Diego over that signing. While not a true one to one comp, I am fairly certain that the padres would much rather have Soto than X right about now

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  jedicosmonaut

I don’t think it really is an either/or. Soto was always going to test free agency. And so far the Bogaerts deal seems alright, the back end is probably going to be a sunk cost, but the first year was probably around expectations and the AAV is reasonable for his production.

nahMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

Bogaerts is going into his age-31 season and he’s always been a below average defender and already hits tons of ground balls and double plays. He doesn’t have to decline much to be a complete albatross throughout his 30s.

SteveMcAnderson
2 years ago

Grisham, a league average hitter with fine, but not great defense in CF, seems perfectly cast as a 4th OF for the Yankees. The real problem is just that you don’t want a Soto-Judge-Verdugo outfield to be your base setup. Playing the 6’7″ $360M man in CF for 100+ games does not seem like a good plan.

sbf21
2 years ago

But he’s not a league average hitter.

maguroMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

He’s the league average hitter at home.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

Verdugo seems far better cast as the 4th OF than Grisham.

Grisham isn’t a good MLB player…but, unlike Verdugo, he’s good at *something*.

And that’s playing CF.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago

The trade for Verdugo looks very strange if the Soto deal was coming together. Instantly the Yankees have 5 outfielders for 4 spots. I will never believe that a player who hasn’t reached the Mendoza line in 2 years belongs in a major league starting lineup but Grisham must be included along with Judge, Soto, Verdugo and Stanton with Dominguez returning before the season is over. It should probably be assumed that somebody is moved during the off-season but only Dominguez is attractive trade material. In this scenario Stanton, already a liability, becomes a Pujols level albatross contract. 1st base is a possibility for one of them but while Rizzo may be done he still carries a $20M price tag for 2024. Soto, Verdugo and Rizzo are all in their last year of control which will help sort out the tangle, but then there is the pitching????? It looks premature to think the Yankees are back near the top again.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

The Soto trade will look sketchy if they don’t land Yamamoto. There isn’t anything even close impact wise available for the rotation and now, minus King, you’ve got Cole, absolute wildcards in Rodon/Cortes, a 4/5 guy in Schmidt, and not much else — maybe Will Warren makes the team, maybe one of Gomez, Gil or Beeter convince the Yanks they’re viable MLB starters?

You could probably pivot and maybe trade one (or both) of Verdugo/Grisham for another depth-level SP or sign a mid-level SP on the cheap.

Jorge Soler vs Train (UNEXPECTED)
2 years ago

Small sample only 39 PA but Soto is a 333/487/700 clean up hitter

Let Volpe lead off, he profiles there longterm anyways. Leave Judge in the 2 hole as he has been

Soto is a 3-4 hole run producer. Protect him with Verdugo or Torres, doesn’t matter.

OddBall Herrera
2 years ago

Along with Soto and Grisham, the Yankees have officially acquired the Padres’ lack of organizational rotation depth.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

The Yankees grow 4/5 Starters like Hal grows herpes sores.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

The way he hits, why is Grisham miscast as a 4th outfielder? I at least wouldn’t want to give him full playing time. Then you have to consider that Stanton is likely going to get hurt as some point, and the Yankees outfield isn’t actually that crowded after all. The biggest issue might actually be needing to play Judge in CF more often than the Yankees would prefer.

sbf21
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

And I’d be shocked to see Stanton play the field this year. He won’t make it out there even 10 times and zero is the most likely number.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

He’s only miscast as a 4th OF because Verdugo is just as bad a player and doesn’t play CF.

shultz
2 years ago

You forgot to mention Grisham’s secret weapon: the bunt.

Just when you think no one in their right mind would bunt, bunt happens.

KimchadoMember since 2021
2 years ago

The rich eat the poor… 🙁

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
2 years ago

I would kill for 114 wRC+ from DH…