Yusei Kikuchi Returns an Astronomical Haul for the Blue Jays

John E. Sokolowski-USA TODAY Sports

I’ve been pondering Yusei Kikuchi’s trade deadline fate for months. That sounds overly specific – there are so many players that get traded every year. Why wonder about this one guy? He has a 4.75 ERA this year and a 4.72 mark for his career. He’ll be a free agent at year’s end. Months? Shouldn’t I have been doing something more useful with my time? Probably. But hey, now I’m in a better position to write about this particularly astounding deadline transaction: Last night, the Blue Jays traded Kikuchi to the Astros in exchange for a bountiful crop of young players: Jake Bloss, Joey Loperfido, and Will Wagner.

Kikuchi turns analysts like me into Fox Mulder: We want to believe. We’re talking about a guy with one of the prettiest fastballs in baseball, period. It has great shape. He throws hard, sitting 94-96 mph and topping out around 99. Stuff models love it. PitchingBot thinks it’s the nastiest fastball thrown by a starter, and tied for the overall best (with Sonny Gray’s fastball) after considering location. Stuff+ is skeptical, relatively speaking – it thinks the fastball is the third-best among starters, behind the heaters of Kutter Crawford and Zack Wheeler.

Kikuchi throws a nice slider to complement the fastball, 88-90 mph and with sharp bite for a gyro slider. He rounds out his arsenal with a hard, two-plane curveball and a bizarre slider that seems to float and fade simultaneously. He does it from a funky arm slot and with a deceptive delivery. When Kikuchi is on, he’s capable of torching opposing lineups singlehandedly. His first 10 starts of this season were phenomenal: 2.64 ERA, 2.61 FIP, a 26% strikeout rate, and a minuscule 5.5% walk rate. He’d been steadily improving in Toronto, and this year looked like his breakout.

Since then, things have gone quite poorly. I’m talking about a 6.87 ERA and 4.67 FIP poorly, 13 homers in only 12 starts poorly. Kikuchi has gotten shelled repeatedly, and the Jays have plummeted out of the playoff race at the same time. His timing for his woes could’ve hardly been worse, creating a strange dilemma for the Jays. Kikuchi was on fire through most of June, and the Jays’ playoff odds bounced around between 20 and 40 percent during that time. When Kikuchi’s perceived trade value was at its highest, the team wasn’t ready to sell.

Then he started getting worse, and the Jays’ playoff odds started dipping at the same time, with the bottom falling out around the end of June, when a seven-game losing streak, followed by a 4-6 stretch against playoff competition, put them hopelessly far behind in the standings. It was finally time to trade Kikuchi – except, across seven starts from May 26-June 28, he had a 7.12 ERA and peripherals that weren’t much better. The smart move seemed to be holding Kikuchi a bit longer, waiting for both a rebound and the trade deadline to produce some motivated buyers.

So the Jays held, but Kikuchi didn’t improve much. He’s been slightly better in July, but only slightly: 6.59 ERA, 4.03 FIP, and a home run per start over five starts. He managed six or more innings in only one of those starts, to boot. But now time has run out, and so Kikuchi’s on the move. Or maybe I should rephrase: Luckily, just before time ran out, it turns out that the entire hypothetical decline in Kikuchi’s trade value was just made up. The Astros sent the Blue Jays a phenomenal trade offer, and now Kikuchi is headed down to the Gulf Coast to chase the playoffs.

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I still think Kikuchi is a good option as a mid-rotation starter. He’s almost certainly not as good as his early-season form, but he’s much better than he’s performed over the last two months. His game sinks or floats based on how many home runs he allows. That’s been the story with his model-beloved arsenal, too; they’re great pitches on average, but he leaves both his fastball and slider in dangerous locations too much for someone without huge movement. His pitches are more timing-disruptive than pure bat-missers, and that just doesn’t work as well when you leave it middle-middle.

For the Astros, that combination probably feels familiar. A homer-prone pitcher who looks dominant when the ball stays in the yard? Sounds like Hunter Brown, or late-career Justin Verlander. But the Astros have struggled to field starting pitchers all year. They lost two starters they were counting on for the whole season in June. Verlander has been out for more than a month. Lance McCullers Jr. hasn’t pitched all year, and his rehab has been rocky; there’s currently no timeline for his return. Their rotation has been three solid arms (Framber Valdez, Ronel Blanco, and Brown), and then pray for rain, not the best plan in a retractable-roof stadium.

Even worse, Blanco and Brown are going to reach their career highs in innings soon, so the team is talking about a six-man rotation to protect its arms. Adding Kikuchi lessens the load on the top trio significantly. He’s not exactly an innings eater, but the Astros surely will be happy with someone going out there every fifth or sixth day and putting up five-plus respectable innings.

One of the guys Houston has turned to for innings in recent weeks is Jake Bloss, the headline of the players heading to Toronto in the deal. He’s been awesome, a spectacularly fast riser who was a third round draft pick only last year before tearing through the minors. He was a breakout small-college player who transferred to Georgetown in his senior year and impressed against his toughest competition yet, so he’s been moving up levels and surprising people for three years now. A winter in the Houston pitching lab seems to have sharpened his command, and as you might expect, he has the team’s signature rising fastball cooking in 2024.

This isn’t some mirage; he’s throwing multiple plus pitches and might have pretty good command, too. In the minors, he struck out 27% of batters and allowed very little hard contact en route to a sub-2.00 ERA and solid 3.20 FIP. He shredded minor league hitters so comprehensively that I completely understand why Houston brought him up to the majors to see if the magic could continue, but his first three big league starts have been rough. More specifically, his third major league start was rough: The A’s launched four homers off of him in only four innings. I’m a big fan of the potential here, but I’d ideally give him a little bit more time in the minors to develop, and I think the Astros reached that conclusion as well, hence the trade.

This would’ve made for a logical one-for-one swap: a fast-rising pitching prospect for a mid-rotation rental. But then, unfathomably, the Astros kicked in significantly more. We had Bloss as their no. 2 prospect; Joey Loperfido was no. 3 until he graduated from prospect status earlier this season. He’s a big versatile outfielder with true-outcome fever; he has 30-homer power, takes walks, and strikes out a bunch. Our prospect team put a 45 FV grade on him as a versatile bench player with the ability to field five positions (the outfield plus first and second), with an outside chance of hitting enough to become an everyday player.

But wait, there’s still more. The last player in the deal is Will Wagner, Billy Wagner’s son and an upper-minors infielder with a contact-over-power approach. You can probably picture this general archetype; when it works out as well as possible, it’s Brendan Donovan. When it doesn’t, it’s any number of utility infielders that your team uses to patch holes in the roster. Wagner is hitting .307/.424/.429 with more strikeouts than walks in Triple-A this year, but I think that line overstates his likely major league impact. Pitchers are going to assail him with strikes until he starts to make them pay for it, and as you might have realized from how similar his OBP and slug are, that’s been a struggle for him.

Still, it’s highly likely that Wagner becomes a part-time contributor in the majors, if only at the bottom of the roster. He’s Rule 5 eligible after this year, and I think that the Jays’ roster situation makes it likely that he’ll end up on the 40-man as a result. The Astros were unlikely to have space for him, so that addition feels like a get-the-deal-over-the-finish-line sweetener.

Only… why did the Astros need to add a sweetener? This is a huge win for the Blue Jays, in my opinion. The Astros are wizards when it comes to getting the most out of mid-round draft picks. Bloss, Loperfido, and Wagner are all big success stories, unheralded picks who have far exceeded their expectations. But after doing all that hard work, the team turned around and flipped them for a mid-rotation rental.

I understand why the Astros need Kikuchi. But based on returns at the past few trade deadlines, Bloss alone was right around what I’d expect the Jays to get for dealing him. Maybe a Wagner-type player or two if the Astros were particularly keen to get the deal done. Loperfido, too? That’s a lot of good young players for 2-3 months of a solid-but-not-overwhelming pitcher.

The more I mull this over in my head, the more I think the Astros wanted Kikuchi specifically. If they were calling every team in baseball and saying “We need starting, and we’ll offer Jake Bloss plus…” someone would have dealt them an arm in fairly short order. I’d trade some of the starters who haven’t yet been moved (Jack Flaherty and Zack Littell spring to mind) for less than this return, and I suspect that their teams might too. This only makes sense to me if the Astros wanted Kikuchi specifically and weren’t willing to miss their guy. That’s how you end up making an offer that makes analysts across the board go “Whoa, really?”

I think it’s worth bumping expectations of Kikuchi up slightly given this context. When a team wants someone this badly, it surely has a reason. But I also think the Astros front office is a strange mishmash of old and new, and that they’re working at cross purposes. The part of the org that sagely selects college pitchers with interesting peripherals and then helps them unlock new heights in their game probably isn’t the same part that ships out a mountain of top prospects for two-plus months of a mid-rotation starter. I understand the Astros’ motivation in the deal, and yet I still think they gave up too much.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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mariodegenzgz
2 years ago

The way the Astros’ decisionmaking has dropped off a cliff ever since Jim Crane decided that he and his golf buddies were going to play with their toys a bit more is genuinely staggering. Watching an empire collapse in real time is crazy.

David Klein
2 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Poor Dana Brown is at best third in command behind Bagwell and Crane.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Any debate over old school decision making vs data-driven decision making kind of begins and ends with the Houston Astros

ajake57Member since 2019
2 years ago

A while back I replied to another comment that I thought it was extremely unlikely that Kikuchi would fetch a 50 FV prospect. I am here specifically to eat crow, wear my dunce cap, and have a whipped cream pie smashed in my face. Too much of a discount for teams occasionally doing seemingly inexplicable things!

Shalesh
2 years ago
Reply to  ajake57

Thanks. Dan Szymborski and EonAds can join you for a helping of crow since they both thought 3-win rental starters don’t return 50’s when this has happened for each of the last 8 trade deadlines, maybe more.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

Really funny to have a personal shoutout (negative shoutout?) for something I never said, lol.

Last edited 2 years ago by EonADS
Shalesh
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/lets-make-some-deadline-trades-2024-edition/

You said Kikuchi would “not remotely” return a 50 in response to my comment that he would. It’s right there.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

I stand corrected in regards to Kikuchi, not “3-win rental starters”, which is what you specified. bWAR has him at 0.2 WAR on the year. That was also directly towards him being valued similarly to Flaherty, which he isn’t and shouldn’t be. The Astros making a stupid overpay doesn’t change the point.

Several places have Bloss as a 45 or 45+, and I agree with them. His fastball plays down and his command carries enough relief risk that it’s a real possibility. Probably why the Astros were okay trading him for Kikuchi.

Last edited 2 years ago by EonADS
Shalesh
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Ok. Thanks for your elaboration. I enjoy your comments but was quite sure your response to me about Kikuchi would age badly. Fwar has him at 2.3 wins already.

I don’t think Flaherty will match this return.

And true it was Symborski who expressed skepticism about 3 win starters returning 50’s in that same link.

Last edited 2 years ago by Shalesh
MikeD
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

The cost for Kikuchi looks even more like an overpay based on the very light return for Flaherty, the better pitcher. We now know why that happened. The Yankees almost assuredly initially offered a package in the range of what the Astros offered for Kikuchi. That was the market price at that point, which is why they backed out once they saw the medicals. Not only could they not take the risk on a pitcher with a bad back, they likely were giving up some decent prospects. Add in that they reportedly had a side deal to trade Nestor Cortes to the Twins if they completed a deal for Flaherty. If the deal(s) went through and Flaherty went on the IL, the Yankees would be down Flaherty, Cortes, and whatever prospects they were going to move. No deal. The market heard the Yankees backed out because of Flaherty’s medicals, so his trade market collapsed. Flaherty may be fine the rest of the year, but the Yankees weren’t in a position to take the risk, and that made the Astros deal appear to be an overpay.

travis0548Member since 2016
2 years ago

“Astronomical”? I realize it’s a pun but jeeze

SculpinMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  travis0548

Not sure why you got all the downvotes, because now there is no word left to describe the haul the Marlins got for Tanner Scott!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Sculpin

Padrenomical

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  travis0548

I think it’s a really good pun.

Bobby Ayala
2 years ago

I thought they had to kick in extra prospects because Toronto is likely eating all of his remaining salary.

joedrewMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Ayala

Toronto didn’t eat ANY of Kikuchi’s salary. No cash considerations were in the deal! The Astros really wanted him.

HughesMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  joedrew

Jays may have just snuck under the luxury tax line with all their sell offs.

tdmocMember since 2023
2 years ago

Big brain Astros FO ruining the price of any remaining trade pieces by overpaying for the Kooch

RussellMember since 2023
2 years ago

Absolutely losing my mind at this mlbtraderumors comment:

“Okay Bloss while rated number 2, keep in mind the Astros farm is like bottom 5. So 2 for them is probably like 28 for a good farm system. Bloss was knocked around all 3 of his starts. Okay Joey sucks to give up but he can’t hit left handed pitching and he strikes out wayyyyy too much. Wagner is 26 and still in triple A and has yet to make it to the majors. How much of his stock is in his last name? Sure he had a decent year in triple A but that doesn’t say much. I’m glad they kept people like Whitcomb, Melton, Biaz. I don’t think we lost much actually, reminds me of the Greinke trade a lot”

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  Russell

MLBTR has a very low IQ comment section lol

MikeSMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Russell

That’s pretty typical of that site. mlbtraderumors should disable comments.

David Klein
2 years ago
Reply to  Russell

I just read the Mlbtr comments for the laughs the comments are basically at sports talk radio levels.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

But how else will I know what Sully in Southborough really thinks about Wilyer Abreu?!? /s

Thatguy47
2 years ago

I don’t like any of the prospects the BJays got, but it’s a lot for 2 months of Kikuchi.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Thatguy47

How is it “a lot” if the components aren’t good?

Thatguy47
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Honestly you might be right.

My two thoughts were that

a) Kikuchi’s so mediocre that even my lower perception of the two headliners (both like 40/40+ FV) is too much, but his peripherals are way better than I had thought and peg him as a mid rotation guy.

And relatedly

b) Even if I don’t value them that high presumably others do, so I would expect a larger return based on the perception of others. But if you buy Kikuchi as a mid rotation guy a 50 and 45 FV guy seems the going rate for those types of guys. Especially b/c the Astros are in a place where a few extra wins will likely make a big difference this season.

It’s always been this way but I wonder if deadline deals are actually more expensive relative to offseason deals than is the norm. You’d expect that not to be the case b/c modern FO’s don’t panic or act as irrationally as they used to, but w/ the expanded playoffs and greater injury attrition there’s way less value in trading for a guy in the offseason who needs to make it an entire year to make it to the playoffs and regular season wins vs trading for a guy at the deadline only needing to be healthy a few months to contribute in the playoffs.

I guess part of it is about how much you value the playoffs too, and how FO’s weigh playoff success vs regular season success. I’ve never cared that much about the playoffs tbh. I just like having good players on my team, especially homegrown guys, so I generally don’t like these pricey rentals either way.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Thatguy47

This is me as well. I think Bloss and Lopefido are both a quarter grade too high, maybe half a grade too high. And this is still too much.

Broken BatMember since 2020
2 years ago

Meanwhile on Chicago’s south side, I assume the Chairman now believes there is no way possible to get a nickel of tax payer money as long as he is a cancerous tumor attached to that team and has decided to challenge the Oakland A’s and Win the lowest payroll Championship in 2025.. oh have any of you noticed that Crochet has basically said he is done with entertaining ny idea to stay on south side. The CWS in comparison to the trade Houston made yesterday as well showed the difference in having experience or cheap labor.

RyanMember since 2024
2 years ago

I get that Bloss is an arm that can likely fill innings, but is 35 Ks in 44 2/3 innings at AA as a 23 year old really “shredding” hitters? Don’t get me wrong, I’ll take an innings eater who can limit walks any day, I’m just not sure this package of guys over 23 is astronomical. Feels like Blue Jays managed to get a mid to late rotation option and two guys that can battle for infield and outfield depth on the 40 man.

Last edited 2 years ago by Ryan
Thomas BertonMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

Think of it this way: they traded 2 months of a mid-to-late rotation guy (with some upside for better) for 6 years of a mid-to-late rotation guy. Plus 2 more guys.

Last edited 2 years ago by Thomas Berton
the ghost of tyler chatwoods controlMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

Yeah I was confused by the “shredding” the minors part of the write up too. He was great in single A and had a nice ERA in AA but a 21% k rate in AA isn’t exactly dominant.

the ghost of tyler chatwoods controlMember since 2021
2 years ago

I know the return the Blue Jays got is quite a lot for a rental starter but isn’t Kikuchi getting a little undersold generally? He’s 16th in K-BB% and 14th in SIERA among qualified starters ahead of Wheeler, Grayson, and Burnes. He finished similarly highly ranked in those stats in 2023 as well. Even during this recent “awful” stretch in June and July, he’s had xFIPs of 3.23 and 3.63 respectively. Steamer projects him for a 3.73 ERA going forward and he’s got stuff-based upside on top of that. If his hr/fb rate regresses to near league average he seems like a bona fide no. 2 starter to me.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
2 years ago

Steamer’s projection is based off of him starting 9 games and coming out of the pen 7 games so that will artificially deflate his ERA a bit. If they were projecting him just as a starter, I imagine it would be closer to the 4.13 ERA that ZiPS has him projected for. Based on that, I would think he’s closer to a #4 than a #2.

I think someone in the Astros front office is convinced they can unlock something in Kikuchi and was pushing hard for this. Perhaps they’re right and he finally lives up to his stuff but, even so, it’s an overpay as I can’t imagine anyone else was willing to give up nearly as much.

the ghost of tyler chatwoods controlMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

Oh good catch on the relief appearances. Still projected for 9 starts which probably projects out to 48 or so of the 57 projected innings from Steamer. Maybe the projected starter ERA is in between 3.8 and 3.9 then.

Twitchy
2 years ago

He generally runs higher than expected HR rates which is why xFIP doesn’t work well for Kikuchi. He has a career ERA of 4.72 and an xFIP of 4.08. We have enough evidence to suggest xFIP doesn’t evaluate him well because he’s quite HR prone.

A lot of the evaluations which assume his HR rate will regress make him look better than he is. The reality is in games when Kikuchi limits his HR problems he looks amazing, but more often than not, he allows a lot of hard contact and that’s why his overall line is pretty bad. From watching him, he misses a lot and leaves a lot of pitches in spots where hitters can and do capitalize, so the result is Kikuchi giving up a ton of runs. I usually love watching high K pitchers, but I couldn’t stand watching any Kikuchi starts because of the lack of command.

I genuinely don’t think Kikuchi is a good pitcher. ERA isn’t a great stat to evaluate someone, but the second best ERA- of his career is 107 and it isn’t in this year. He’s improved his BB rate but he leaves a lot of pitches in spots where hitters can get XBH and he allows a lot of runs.

The secondary problem this year is he’s struggling way more with runners on and in scoring position. K-BB% drops in these situations, BABIP goes way up. He’s never had that problem before so maybe if Houston can fix this he’ll show some improvement. Having watched him for 3 years, I wouldn’t trust Kikuchi in an important game, or even over the rest of the season, so I’m thrilled with the return.

steveo
2 years ago

This was an overpay, but am I the only one who thinks this isn’t that bad? I think Bloss is a 4th/5th starter and Loperfido is a 4th OF. Bloss doesn’t get whiffs and his fastball has gotten destroyed despite it having solid traits. Loperfido struggles to make contact and was running a high K rate for AAA, let alone MLB. I think it’s an overpay, but I don’t think either of these guys are going to be anything the Astros miss.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I agree. I think Bloss and Loperfido are a little overvalued here. It is still one of the biggest overpays so far at the deadline but it’s nowhere near as lopsided as the Paredes, Fedde, Eflin, or even Arozarena deals.

hglmanMember since 2021
2 years ago

It smells of being desperate to win now and not having any goals of being good afterward.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
2 years ago

It’s good to see the spirit of Dave Stewart still alive and well. It’s been a decade since we’ve had FOs that act like the kid on the playground who would trade their Charizard for a Hood ice cream cup, and now the White Sox and Astros made one of those trades on the same day

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago

So, so glad the Jays are ripping the band-aid off (relatively speaking) and resetting. What they have tried the last few years clearly isn’t working anymore, they needed to deepen the farm system and shed some payroll. This is the first twinge of excitement/optimism I’ve felt since…I dunno, like when they were 12-9 on April 20? Since their playoff odds topped out at 58% on April 22?

ScottThormanMember since 2020
2 years ago

Wagner has more strikeouts than walks?

trengilly
2 years ago
Reply to  ScottThorman

Yes, in AAA, but he is also 26, has no power, and can’t field.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  ScottThorman

That was supposed to read more walks than strikeouts which is much more noteworthy.

slz
2 years ago

This kind of feels like the Astros offloading guys they dont think are great at the peak of their value (or, well, in Loperfido’s case…on the way down the hill of that peak)

Joe Brady
2 years ago
Reply to  slz

While anyone can succeed, neither Loperfido nor Wagner feel like they will be missed. Bloss looks like he has some talent, but he had a 7.1/26 K/W in AA. That shows some promise, but with all due respect to FG, I’m not seeing the ‘awesome’.

Junior Felix, Jr.
2 years ago

I wonder if the Jays could send Bloss to the Houston pitching lab again this winter.

96mncMember since 2020
2 years ago

Amazing that they didn’t get a 1b.