Big Rizz Cashes In On Lane Thomas

Around the time of the Austin Hays trade last week, Chelsea Janes of The Washington Post reported that even though Hays and Lane Thomas were both best suited to a platoon corner role on a contender, the Nationals were determined to sell Thomas only if a suitor were willing to pay a starter’s return for him.
“Good luck,” I thought to myself. Thomas is a good player — a 3.1 WAR guy with 28 homers last year. This season, he’s nearly doubled his walk rate and has 28 stolen bases. That’s the third-most in baseball, more than Corbin Carroll and Byron Buxton put together. Thomas is on his second straight season of a wRC+ bumping up against 110 — this is a good player. But it’s also a guy who’s hitting .224/.299/.364 against right-handed pitching, which is most of the pitchers in the league.
Well, we have not because we ask not. Nats GM Mike Rizzo had a weekend to play with before the deadline, and it only takes one team to meet his price. And I’ll be darned, Big Rizz actually pulled it off.
On Monday night, Washington sent Thomas to Cleveland for a bumper crop of prospects: Left-hander Alex Clemmey and infielders José Tena and Rafael Ramirez Jr.
It is, to be frank, a lot of prospect freight. Washington did very well in this deal. But it’s not an irrational overpay for the Guardians — we’re not completely out of the era of one team getting hosed in a trade (I have no idea what the Astros were thinking giving up that much for Yusei Kikuchi, for instance), but the rising professionalism of the front office, along with ideological convergence, has rendered the Frank Robinson-for-Milt Pappas deal rarer than it used to be.
No, this is more along the lines of the Guardians getting a player they need, but maybe paying a little too much to do so. Because Thomas really does help Cleveland out.
Dating back about a decade, even when Cleveland was contending for the pennant every year, offense has traditionally not been a strength for this franchise. And sure enough, that remains the case in 2024. Cleveland is 14th in the league in team wRC+ at 101, which is average. But among the six teams that came into deadline day with 60 or more wins, they’re sixth in offense. Three of those teams — the Yankees, Dodgers, and Orioles — are first, second, and third in wRC+ at 119, 118, and 117.
Cleveland has actually hit lefties better than righties this season, but this lineup, which includes Andrés Giménez, Steven Kwan, and the Naylor brothers, can get a little lefty-heavy. Thomas counterbalances that, and gives Stephen Vogt either a devastating platoon bat or an average everyday starter at a position where he’d previously been unable to find either.
The Guardians are 12th this season in outfield wRC+, which is mostly an artifact of Kwan having a killer year in left. The Guardians have used nine different starting right fielders this season, and their overall right field wRC+ has been just 86. That’s supposed to be a power position, and this first-place team is getting outhit by Jose Siri. Something had to be done. And while Randy Arozarena — to name another corner guy who just got dealt — would’ve been more fun, he and Thomas have been almost exactly equally valuable since the start of 2023:
| Name | G | PA | HR | SB | BB% | K% | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | BsR | Off | Def | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Randy Arozarena | 254 | 1076 | 39 | 38 | 11.8% | 24.2% | .240 | .349 | .418 | 121 | 0.2 | 27.0 | -21.1 | 4.2 |
| Lane Thomas | 234 | 1023 | 36 | 48 | 6.6% | 24.2% | .263 | .321 | .448 | 108 | 4.6 | 15.1 | -8.8 | 4.1 |
The rationale for making this trade for Cleveland comes down to this: The Guardians are in pole position for the top seed in the AL, and everyone in their bracket has some weakness that could prove fatal come October. That doesn’t happen every year for anyone, especially not a team with a rookie manager and one of the five smallest Opening Day payrolls in the league. The future is now. The time to make a move is now. The Orioles and Yankees have both traded accordingly, and it’s good that the Guardians are following suit. They can figure out the prospect side later.
Plus, Thomas isn’t a rental. He’s under team control through 2025, which means that Cleveland — unlike Dave Rygalski from Gilmore Girls — can hold on to Lane for more than one season.
And they’d better hold on to him, because, like I said, they gave up a lot.
Longtime readers of my work might remember the name Alex Clemmey — a year ago, he was one of the headliners of my piece on draft prospects from cold-weather states. Back then, he was a big, lanky (6-foot-6, 205 pounds) 17-year-old lefty from Rhode Island, whom the Guardians bought out of a commitment to Vanderbilt with a $2.3 million signing bonus in the second round. Now, Clemmey is 19 (his birthday was two weeks ago, many happy returns), and just as huge and left-handed and hard-throwing as ever: mid-90s on the fastball with a low-80s slider that he’s thrown more consistently in the pros than in high school.
Clemmey is in A-ball in his first full pro season, and in 19 starts, he’s striking out 32.6% of opponents and walking 15.8%. Both of those are big numbers, but again, this is a teenager with levers so long Archimedes could move the world with them. He’s not expected to throw strikes. In his précis on Clemmey, Eric Longenhagen name-dropped another huge left-hander, A.J. Puk. When Puk was Clemmey’s age, he couldn’t crack the weekend rotation at the University of Florida. By the time he was 21, he was (in my estimation at the time) the best college pitcher in the country.
I looked at Puk, as a Gator, and saw the potential for him to become the ginger CC Sabathia. That obviously didn’t happen, but for all the injuries and command problems, Puk is still a valuable high-leverage reliever. It’s kind of the same story for Clemmey. He’s got the stuff you can’t teach: Lefty velo, athleticism, size. If he can refine the rest of his game over the next three or four seasons, he could be a special starter. But even if he doesn’t get all the way there, he still figures to be an effective major league reliever.
Tena is a great get for Washington because he’s someone who’s less useful to Cleveland than almost any other team in baseball. He’s a 23-year-old spark plug who can play second and third base, two positions where the Guardians are several years away from needing someone to fill the position. (I remember doing a radio hit in Cleveland before the draft, and the hosts asked where Cleveland could possibly play Travis Bazzana if he went 1-1. That’s how set the Guardians are.)
Despite his youth, Tena is in his last option year, so the Guardians were going to have to move him no matter what. Even at 5-foot-9, Tena has a power-over-hit offensive profile. He has great bat speed and pull power for a left-handed-hitting infielder, with 17 home runs in 90 games at Triple-A this season. But even for a guy who’s leaning on the underside of hitting .300 in the high minors, it’s a lot of chase and a lot of swing-and-miss. He’s striking out 25.2% of the time in Triple-A, and in 38 career major league plate appearances, he has just seven hits and 15 strikeouts. Still, there’s the potential for a solid big league second baseman if he can cut back on chasing outside the zone a little. As a secondary piece in a trade like this, that’s a coup.
Ramirez, a 19-year-old New Jerseyan (he also just had a birthday), is the third and final player going back to the Nationals. He’s another left-handed-hitting infielder with strikeout issues, but that has different connotations for a player like Tena, who’s basically big-league-ready, than a teenager who’s hitting .187 in Low-A and has some questions about his defense at short. This is a buy-low guy, because Ramirez had great patience and power on the complex last year and drew positive reviews in spring training, but the 2024 regular season has been a struggle. The fact that there’s any potential this deep into the trade speaks to how well Washington did, but it’s unlikely that a teenager with these kinds of contact issues is going to access it.
Trades like this make the world go ‘round. A first-place team gets a necessary upgrade, and maybe the three prospects they traded to get him — two of them 19-year-olds — won’t amount to much. Either way, none of these guys was helping Cleveland get over the hump this year. But because the Guardians are in win-now mode, a rebuilding team, the Nationals, was able to swoop in and pilfer a bumper crop of young talent for a player who didn’t fit their timeline anyway. A useful trade for Cleveland, but a bonanza for Washington. I’m sorry, Mike Rizzo, I should never have doubted you.
Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.
The writing is gold here!
Am I the only one who doesn’t enjoy Family-Guy style random references in every paragraph? The content is great, but that style isn’t for me.
Dave Rygalski…SMDH.
Thomas has been bad vs R his whole career. If he’s average overall it’s because he’s been great vs L. I’m not seeing why he should ever play vs R. It’s not like his defense is so good they can’t do without it
Someone like Yastrzemski or Bleday seems useful here
The career numbers are the most important and do have that big platoon split but, since Thomas returned from injury in late May, he’s put up a wRC+ of 118 vs RHP over 179 PAs.
Again, I wouldn’t be shocked if that ends up being noise, but there’s at least a chance that the true talent going forward is somewhere between that and his career numbers.
Not quite his whole career. Since coming back from his injury, he’s .266 / .341 / .437, with a 118 wRC+ over 179 PAs vs RHP. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/lane-thomas/16939/splits-tool?position=OF&splitArr=2&splitArrPitch=&autoPt=false&splitTeams=false&statType=player&statgroup=1&startDate=2024-05-15&endDate=2024-11-01&players=&filter=&groupBy=season&wxTemperature=&wxPressure=&wxAirDensity=&wxElevation=&wxWindSpeed=&sort=-1%2C1
I get that historically he’s been bad vs RHP and that maybe this is just a 2+ month hot streak, but it’s possible Cleveland saw something that made them think he could be an average bat against righties and a big plus against lefties.
Even 100 wRC+ with average RF is a below average player. He needs the 118 or thereabouts.
If Cleveland had 3 outfielders who could manage a 100 wRC+, they wouldn’t be trading for Lane Thomas.
As someone who once named the mama and baby moose living in his neighborhood Rory and Lorelei… Boy, do I love an out of nowhere Gilmore Girls reference.
I love this trade for both teams, but I really like it for Washington. They now have three massive A ball pitchers (Susana, Sykora, Clemmey) who probably all won’t work out. But one or two of them might, and the ones that don’t have back end BP floors.
For Cleveland, Thomas is the right set of skills at the right position with the right handedness
Most importantly, we now have a Jon Lester trade tree (!)
and Tyler Stuart (the return for Winker) is 6’9″ at Double A!
Jackson Rutledge (6’8″) and Orlando Ribalta (6’7″) in AAA
Carlos Romero and Thomas Schultz (both 6’6″) in A+.
These are just the guys at 6’6″ or taller. There’s at least a dozen more arms between 6’4″ and 6’5″.
And they say Rizzo doesn’t have a type…
“Right handedness” by both meanings.
I did like this deal For Both Teams. Another one that caught my eye was the Reds landing Wiemer for Montas
Noticed it, too. Struck me as similar to Loperfido insofar as I expect both the Brewers and Astros don’t expect them to hit enough to ever matter.
The most shocking part of this is Cleveland trading AWAY a stocky ass infielder
Richie Palacios says Hi.
Huh, what do you know? Palacios actually did play some 2B in the minors as part of the Cleveland organization. However, he was almost entirely an OF by the time he was traded to the Cardinals organization (and eventually to the Rays).
If I’m doing my math right, 217 games of Lane Thomas is worth more than 40 Erick Fedde starts, 90ish innings from Michael Kopech, and 55 games from Tommy Pham
You’re poor at math. This is 2 40+ guys and a 40. The White Sox got a 50, albeit an expired one, and 2 40+ guys. A poor return, but significantly better than what Thomas returned.
You think current Miguel Vargas with prospect status magically restored is a 50 right now?
He wouldn’t be 48th anymore, but back of the top 100? Sure! Longenhagen still forecasts him as a 2-win player. Maybe that takes him a year to get to, but the WSox have 5.5 years of control on him. Still far better than any of the prospects given up for Lane Thomas.
I think everyone gets Tommy Pham for a week. He gets rented more than that tape of “Mannequin 2” down at Sal’s Video Shack
Mannequin 2 gets rented a little less than once a year? I can believe it.
I thought this was a great trade for both sides. I didn’t think it was an overpay. I know all the models say it was…but i’ll be shocked if 1 of those 3 will even be an avg mlb player. Time will tell in a few years when we look back on it.
Dombrowski is 1 of just 2 gm’s that have it figured out…….you trade your minor leaguers for big leaguers…not the other way around. What the Cubs did with Paredes is text book. They got an AS 3rd basemen with control for 2 propsects that won’t even be regulars.
I mean look at the Dodgers. They’ve seemingly traded away 30+ prospects the last few years for big leaguers and they miraculously always have more they ‘ve developed that everyone wants. No one can even think of 1 of those several they’ve traded away thats actually done anything of significance.
can I introduce you to Yordan Alvarez?
Now do the other 29. I’ll take the odds.
Also do you even know the story on Yordan? He wasn’t even in the states when that trade happened. Dodgers brass didn’t even have him in the system yet…they thought he was a P. They wanted josh fields and astros wanted some guy not even in dominican league yet.
Even the models showing surplus values wouldve said that was a great deal lol
There has been several people online recently that i’ve seen do lookbacks on top 100 lists recently. Conclusion was once you get outside of the top 25 propsects ie (26-100) from the top 100 lists…only about 10% actually end up being an Avg MLB ball player.
They traded away Eflin and Yordan Alvarez
Yes they did and guess what they’ve still be arguably the best team in mlb for the past decade.
You’re seemingly being purposely annoying, but it doesn’t exactly require snake oil, gumption, and a lucky rabbit’s foot for the richest team that spends the most money, and yes, is also well-run, to be one of the better teams in the league.
You made a claim that was hilariously wrong, surely because you failed to remember Yordan, and instead of just saying “oops, my bad,” you insisted on doubling down on looking foolish. Perhaps try something new next time?
Trust me i didn’t forget yordan. Would put a samll fortune down that i know way more about this then you. Congrats though you have a membership badge so you knwo what you are talking about ha.
I’m still waiting for someone to prove my claim wrong. This whole article is about how cleveland got fleeced. You never know who is behind these accounts.
Also they’ve traded away dozens of players…..you found 1 or 2 good job. Of course theres going to be a couple. My claim remains the same.
You get caught up in some model that a monkey could figure out and say ooh thats a bad deal.. what is cleveland thinking?! The model says we gave them 1 more million dollars of prospects than we should have. The arrogance that you think you know more than cleveland staff lmao.
You said there wasn’t even one example. Therefore, Alvarez alone disproves your claim. You’re embarrassing yourself by blatantly moving the goalposts back from your original claim.
Also you pointing to Yordan as win for your argument is hilarious…even your model wouldve said that was a homerun trade for dodgers. You and your model wouldve looked foolish on that one
This is pointless. I’ll go argue with a fence post. It’ll be a better use of my time.
Oneil Cruz is another one.
There has been a lot of retrospective love for Huntington in town this week, as Cherington sits idle. Mainly the Cruz and Reynolds deals, but they seem to forget the Cole, Walker, Liriano trades and act like Archer was his only bad move.
Every GM has some hits and some misses. No need to relitigate Huntington’s tenure, we need to focus on what’s important, which is getting mad at Cherington. 🙂
Not sure why this is getting down voted when MLBTV had actual stats on this. Only 11% of prospects traded in the last 4 years have turned into everyday major leaguers. You absolutely should trade prospects for proven major leaguers in almost every scenario.
Mike Rizzo has a real gift for transactions it seems. Its a shame the player dev has been so bad
The major league pitching side of it seems to have improved dramatically this season. Still waiting to see if the bats catch up, but if this trade results in Clemmey throwing more strikes, it’s a win even without the bats.
Yeah that’s clearly true, tbf. In my head I’m still thinking of it as a blip because of the amount of history to the contrary. I can’t remember any personnel changes besides…. https://www.federalbaseball.com/2024/1/17/24041149/washington-nationals-news-notes-nats-hire-sean-doolittle-as-pitching-strategist but surely! It couldn’t all be the doolittle effect…. could it?
Clemmey was horrible in his first 5 starts. But he then settled down and in his past 14, he’s had a 2.48 ERA and given up a .183/.303/.263 batting line. So still wild, but otherwise unhittable.
Their organizational pitching dev has actually been pretty good this year.. Just ignore Gores recent months….
Parker and Herz have improved strike throwing and look like MLB options.. Jake Irvin looks like a mid rotation starter…
On the farm Susana, Sykora look like future rotation options with improved strikethrowing…. Then you have guys like Andry Lara and Brad Lord as lower key guys doing well.
Nobody beats the Rizz
if the Pirates had gone for Dylan Crews instead, he could’ve drafted Livvy Dunne’s boyfriend and truly become the Rizz King
All the analysts are looking at Thomas as a RF and harping on the full season numbers of Cleveland rf as if it were a single player. On the latter, they have been holding auditions to see who might stick long term. Some were dreadful (and gone) some uncooked, and one…interesting.
As to the first, Antonetti’s comments *swearing* Cleveland isn’t done trading (while adding that it is hard to find a match) described Thomas as a CF *and* RF. In that order. And if Thomas can be adequate in CF the deal will be better for them. Big if but it sounds like it factored in their thinking.
Today he’s starting at rf but odds are he will get his share of Cf starts to let Noel keep on playing because he might need some polish but his power plays.
Whether Lane is now adequate against rhp or not doesn’t matter as much as some other teams because Clevelnd is all in on matchups.
He’s a good fit for Cleveland, especially since he’s as a good a bat as they can afford.
Pitching?
I figure Anderson is about their speed if the Angels don’t overvalue him.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if they whiff on pitching in this market unless they’re willing to move Brito, Manzardo, and more. And that’s not in their DNA
Speaking of getting Anderson: Cleveland went even cheaper: Alex Cobb.
SF gets 19 year old in loe A and a PTNL.
That’s about Dolan’s speed.
“Dating back about a decade, even when Cleveland was contending for the pennant every year, offense has traditionally not been a strength for this franchise. And sure enough, that remains the case in 2024.”
This made me of the days of Manny Ramirez, when Cleveland was an offensive powerhouse. They were one of the best in the league from 1994-2001, and led all of baseball in runs in 1994, 1995, and 1999 (via baseball-reference.com – I don’t just have this stuff memorized).
Interesting how they’ve changed over from a high-powered offense to a pitching, speed, and defense-oriented team. I suppose it’s not that surprising when entire rosters are overhauled over 5 or 10 years. Still, it would be fun to read an article visualizing team trends in how they’ve competed over the years.
The only 1,000 run offense of the last 70 years!
The change in their offense can likely be traced to the change from the days of backups hitting 20 home runs to power getting scarce and thus priced at a premium.
Too, those mid-90’s powerhouses were the result of some putrid seasons prior. To be fair, they nailed their drafts (and stole Kenny Lofton) and development.
Compare the Cardinals from the ’80s to the ’00s. Yes, both decades featured a lot of good defense, but the offensive styles were completely different.