ZiPS 2021 Projections: Cincinnati Reds

After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for nine years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Cincinnati Reds.

Batters

Season Two of Operation: Win Now almost ended like the first one did — outside the playoffs looking in — until the Reds snuck into the postseason by winning 11 of their last 15 games, with all but a Pirates series coming against playoff teams. Cincinnati’s quick playoff exit served to highlight one of the fundamental reasons the team’s reach the last two years has exceeded its grasp. No, the offense isn’t going to be shut out for 22 consecutive innings all that often, as the Braves did in the teams’ Wild Card Series, but the lineup is actively hindering the team. This recent development is the opposite of the traditional 21st century Reds dilemma, but it’s a real issue; Cincinnati has finished 13th and 12th in the NL in runs the last two seasons while playing in a moderate hitters’ park.

In a lot of ways, Cincinnati’s problem is the mirror image of Colorado’s most pressing issue. The Rockies have two MVP candidates at the top of the lineup, but an appalling lack of depth. The Reds, on the other hand, have very few true holes and admirable depth all over the diamond, but a real lack of superstar upside. And without a lot of positions open for the taking without the team being extremely aggressive and giving up on decent players with guaranteed deals, it’s hard to see the Reds flipping that script.

The one exception here is the shortstop position, where Jose Garcia would likely be the starter if the season began today, but likely won’t be when the 2021 season actually gets under way. There’s an unusual amount of shortstop talent out there for the taking — Marcus Semien, Andrelton Simmons, Didi Gregorius, and Ha-seong Kim — that could drastically improve a position that doesn’t have an apparent long-term solution otherwise. In an offseason where other NL competitors like the Cubs and Phillies crying poor, this is a golden opportunity for the team to swim against the current and take a real financial risk to get into the second tier of NL contenders.

If the Reds cheap out at short, the improvement opportunities are limited. The team has shown little interest in revisiting Nick Senzel as a shortstop option and Jesse Winker, despite being a beast in 2020, hasn’t established that level of performance as his baseline and is not a good defensive player. Nick Castellanos‘ fielding has improved, but his reputation offensively outstrips his actual contributions. Joey Votto’s comeback year was the second-worst of his career and he’ll turn 38 before next year’s playoffs. Mike Moustakas is Mike Moustakas: an average-plus player overall but on the wrong side of 30 and unlikely to have another gear.

The closest guy to being a star is Eugenio Suárez, but even though his 2020 struggles are unlikely to repeat in 2021, his plate discipline has trended in the wrong direction and his defense at the hot corner isn’t really a plus. Suárez is a terrific middle-of-the-order bat, but Cincinnati needs too much offensive help for a return to his four-win plateau to single-handedly fix things.

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Pitchers

It still seems kind of odd from the franchise that until recently had a impressive knack for bringing in veteran pitchers just in time for their breakdown seasons, but the rotation was a team strength and why the Reds made the playoffs in 2020. The problem is, of course, that the team’s Cy Young award winner, Trevor Bauer, is a free agent. Cincy’s first Cy has reconsidered his previous stance that he would only sign one-year contracts, but if the Reds choose not to compete with the rest of league for his long-term services, I hope that at the very least, they test his resolve when it comes to the length of his deal. They could offer him one-year and $40 million, giving him a chance to re-enter the market next offseason without a qualifying offer and, hopefully, a league-wide financial outlook less clouded by COVID-19 and its related economic problems.

Now, the cupboard isn’t bare without Bauer. Sonny Gray and Luis Castillo are ace-quality pitchers themselves, so even a Bauer-less rotation will remain a team strength. But it’s just not quite as strong or as deep without Bauer — Anthony DeSclafani is also a free agent — and the team is vulnerable to an injury or two based on the present roster. I do expect that the Reds will do something here, signing a veteran and maybe offering a rehab deal to someone. After all, what’s the fun of having such highly respected pitching coaches without giving them some challenges?

The bullpen was decidedly “meh” in 2020 and though ZiPS isn’t expecting anyone to truly dominate, the projections do suggest a bit better performance across the board in 2021. ZiPS likes Archie Bradley a lot and thinks his drop-off in strikeouts wasn’t really reflected in the advanced stats. ZiPS has always been suspicious of the departed Robert Stephenson and is a bigger believer in Tejay Antone than I expected.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here

Batters – Standard
Player B Age PO PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
Eugenio Suárez R 29 3B 606 523 76 129 23 2 34 107 70 165 4 2
Mike Moustakas L 32 2B 529 475 60 122 26 0 28 91 44 100 3 0
Tucker Barnhart L 30 C 403 355 33 84 16 1 11 44 42 88 1 1
Jesse Winker L 27 LF 437 371 55 99 19 0 16 51 56 88 2 2
Nicholas Castellanos R 29 RF 651 595 86 157 43 5 27 89 47 162 2 3
Shogo Akiyama L 33 CF 577 522 65 137 25 4 13 52 49 100 11 7
Nick Senzel R 26 CF 425 387 52 97 24 3 12 47 34 107 12 5
Freddy Galvis B 31 SS 555 510 59 125 25 3 13 61 36 120 5 3
Tyler Stephenson R 24 C 390 345 45 79 14 1 10 45 33 104 0 0
Francisco Pena R 31 C 291 275 30 68 15 0 9 35 13 57 1 0
Jonathan India R 24 3B 500 437 53 98 15 4 13 41 46 144 8 5
Joey Votto L 37 1B 511 437 62 105 21 0 14 45 70 103 2 0
Aristides Aquino R 27 RF 460 419 56 94 16 3 25 77 33 145 7 3
Curt Casali R 32 C 278 243 27 56 9 0 9 30 29 73 2 0
Mark Payton L 29 LF 363 328 41 81 17 3 12 39 30 80 5 4
Christian Colón R 32 3B 426 379 43 91 19 1 5 34 33 57 13 7
Matt Davidson R 30 1B 432 391 47 89 19 0 24 78 32 134 1 0
Kyle Farmer R 30 C 310 287 28 70 15 1 6 30 18 65 3 1
Boog Powell L 28 CF 389 339 48 81 16 1 6 28 44 101 11 4
Nick Williams L 27 LF 475 438 59 108 20 4 21 66 26 153 3 2
Brian Goodwin L 30 RF 402 360 49 82 21 2 16 48 35 128 8 2
Alex Blandino R 28 2B 371 313 40 64 15 1 7 29 44 112 3 4
Travis Jankowski L 30 CF 307 274 35 61 8 1 2 13 30 73 18 8
Michael De Leon B 24 SS 560 529 50 126 21 0 5 33 22 84 2 3
Mark Kolozsvary R 25 C 267 237 23 39 9 1 4 17 21 98 1 2
Narciso Crook R 25 LF 386 355 36 73 15 6 9 38 25 131 8 4
Michael Siani L 21 CF 541 490 53 95 9 5 8 33 37 160 31 16
Jose Garcia R 23 SS 459 431 42 95 19 2 6 35 16 118 11 5
TJ Friedl L 25 RF 493 437 52 96 17 6 7 37 41 123 17 8
Alfredo Rodriguez R 27 SS 504 475 44 108 16 2 2 26 22 100 10 6
Brian Rey R 23 LF 322 298 32 68 15 0 7 30 12 52 3 0
Brandon Barnes R 35 LF 475 438 47 93 20 1 12 46 27 149 9 3
Chris Okey R 26 C 322 295 28 52 9 1 9 30 22 122 1 0
Alberti Chavez R 25 SS 174 159 13 28 3 1 1 8 10 57 0 2
Michael Beltre L 25 RF 433 384 42 81 11 5 5 29 43 124 8 7
Andy Sugilio L 24 RF 442 420 38 98 10 4 3 28 18 101 13 9

Batters – Advanced
Player BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP RC/27 Def WAR No. 1 Comp
Eugenio Suárez .247 .342 .493 115 .247 .293 6.0 0 3.2 Ken McMullen
Mike Moustakas .257 .325 .488 109 .232 .271 5.8 -6 1.9 Graig Nettles
Tucker Barnhart .237 .319 .380 83 .144 .285 4.3 8 1.7 Brian Schneider
Jesse Winker .267 .373 .447 114 .181 .311 6.1 -4 1.5 Jeremy Giambi
Nicholas Castellanos .264 .323 .489 109 .225 .320 5.7 -8 1.3 Dan Ford
Shogo Akiyama .262 .329 .400 90 .138 .303 4.8 -2 1.2 Darryl Hamilton
Nick Senzel .251 .313 .421 90 .171 .317 4.8 0 1.0 Troy O’Leary 오리어리
Freddy Galvis .245 .300 .382 77 .137 .297 4.1 1 0.9 Don Sparks
Tyler Stephenson .229 .308 .362 75 .133 .299 3.9 2 0.9 Mike Fitzgerald
Francisco Pena .247 .282 .400 76 .153 .282 4.1 3 0.7 Dax Norris
Jonathan India .224 .314 .366 78 .142 .304 4.0 2 0.6 Chuck Jackson
Joey Votto .240 .346 .384 92 .144 .284 4.8 -1 0.6 Chris Chambliss
Aristides Aquino .224 .289 .456 91 .232 .277 4.6 1 0.6 Ray Sadler
Curt Casali .230 .320 .379 83 .148 .292 4.3 -3 0.5 Tom Wilson
Mark Payton .247 .309 .427 91 .180 .292 4.6 1 0.4 Stu Pederson
Christian Colón .240 .306 .335 69 .095 .271 3.6 5 0.4 Todd Haney
Matt Davidson .228 .294 .460 94 .233 .279 4.8 -1 0.3 Jeff Kipila
Kyle Farmer .244 .297 .366 73 .122 .296 3.9 0 0.3 Yorvit Torrealba
Boog Powell .239 .326 .345 77 .106 .323 4.1 -2 0.3 Dave Brundage
Nick Williams .247 .301 .454 94 .208 .330 4.9 -5 0.3 LaVel Freeman
Brian Goodwin .228 .299 .431 88 .203 .306 4.6 -2 0.2 Doug Deeds
Alex Blandino .204 .322 .326 71 .121 .294 3.4 -1 0.1 Mark Naehring
Travis Jankowski .223 .304 .281 56 .058 .296 3.0 0 -0.4 Mark Gilbert
Michael De Leon .238 .272 .306 52 .068 .275 2.9 7 -0.5 David Milstien
Mark Kolozsvary .165 .255 .262 36 .097 .259 2.0 3 -0.6 Jose Molina
Narciso Crook .206 .264 .358 61 .152 .298 3.2 5 -0.6 Luis Saturria
Michael Siani .194 .260 .282 42 .088 .270 2.4 13 -0.7 James Rapoport
Jose Garcia .220 .264 .316 51 .095 .290 2.9 1 -0.7 Juan Villanueva
TJ Friedl .220 .301 .334 67 .114 .290 3.5 -1 -0.9 Ben Copeland
Alfredo Rodriguez .227 .266 .282 45 .055 .284 2.6 6 -0.9 Jim Scranton
Brian Rey .228 .271 .349 61 .121 .255 3.4 -1 -0.9 Miguel Suriel
Brandon Barnes .212 .266 .345 59 .132 .292 3.2 4 -1.0 Pedro Swann
Chris Okey .176 .240 .305 42 .129 .262 2.4 -2 -1.0 Andres Pagan
Alberti Chavez .176 .231 .226 21 .050 .267 1.5 0 -1.1 Arturo Mcdowell
Michael Beltre .211 .293 .305 58 .094 .298 2.9 0 -1.3 Kevin Koslofski
Andy Sugilio .233 .265 .298 48 .064 .301 2.7 3 -1.8 Jay Davis 데이비스

Pitchers – Standard
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO FIP
Trevor Bauer R 30 13 9 3.60 30 30 182.3 156 73 23 63 219 3.64
Luis Castillo R 28 13 9 3.63 30 30 173.7 147 70 21 62 197 3.66
Sonny Gray R 31 12 8 3.72 28 28 152.3 126 63 19 60 170 3.83
Tyler Mahle R 26 9 8 4.43 28 27 138.0 134 68 22 48 146 4.33
Tejay Antone R 27 8 8 4.72 27 21 120.0 118 63 18 51 113 4.70
Raisel Iglesias R 31 8 5 3.45 61 0 62.7 51 24 9 21 82 3.53
Lucas Sims R 27 4 4 4.73 39 16 104.7 91 55 21 51 140 4.75
Wade Miley L 34 7 7 4.80 23 22 105.0 108 56 16 45 89 4.87
Anthony DeSclafani R 31 6 7 5.03 24 22 118.0 122 66 25 38 114 5.07
Archie Bradley R 28 5 3 3.71 63 0 68.0 59 28 10 25 83 3.89
Jeff Hoffman R 28 7 8 5.07 31 21 120.7 119 68 21 55 127 4.85
Sal Romano R 27 7 7 4.82 34 13 93.3 95 50 15 37 88 4.70
Michael Lorenzen R 29 4 3 4.22 59 2 79.0 72 37 11 33 81 4.31
Riley O’Brien R 26 6 7 5.18 23 18 97.3 98 56 15 56 91 5.22
Amir Garrett L 29 3 2 4.02 65 0 56.0 45 25 9 29 77 4.23
Ryan Lillie R 25 6 8 5.49 24 23 116.3 129 71 21 49 87 5.48
Matt Bowman R 30 3 3 4.32 54 0 58.3 55 28 7 27 58 4.29
Jay Jackson R 33 3 3 4.34 55 0 58.0 50 28 10 24 74 4.27
Chris Volstad 볼스테드 R 34 3 4 5.20 17 7 53.7 63 31 9 14 30 5.19
Nate Jones R 35 2 2 4.11 34 0 30.7 28 14 4 14 34 4.32
Vladimir Gutierrez R 25 8 11 5.73 26 26 130.3 143 83 30 47 116 5.64
Tony Santillan R 24 5 7 5.70 22 22 107.3 115 68 20 60 90 5.77
Felix Jorge R 27 3 4 5.64 13 13 68.7 82 43 14 22 42 5.74
Ryan Hendrix R 26 4 3 4.53 39 0 43.7 37 22 6 29 56 4.60
R.J. Alaniz R 30 3 3 4.76 43 1 56.7 54 30 9 28 61 4.73
Jose De Leon R 28 2 2 5.44 18 10 46.3 44 28 9 30 55 5.47
Brandon Bailey R 26 3 4 5.62 22 14 80.0 83 50 16 45 76 5.76
Rob Wooten R 35 2 2 5.60 8 6 27.3 31 17 6 6 21 5.27
Jesse Biddle L 29 2 2 4.76 36 0 39.7 38 21 6 23 43 4.94
Jared Solomon R 24 4 7 5.85 22 21 87.7 92 57 13 66 72 5.93
Justin Miller R 34 3 3 4.87 39 0 40.7 40 22 10 11 45 5.12
David Carpenter R 35 0 0 4.85 33 0 29.7 29 16 4 15 28 4.76
Ryan Nutof R 25 3 4 5.19 46 0 59.0 58 34 10 33 58 5.25
Wyatt Strahan R 28 4 6 6.12 27 11 78.0 92 53 14 40 50 5.96
Tyler Thornburg R 32 1 1 6.23 34 1 34.7 36 24 8 22 39 6.01
Junichi Tazawa R 35 2 3 6.11 37 0 35.3 39 24 9 16 32 6.12
Andrew Moore R 27 5 8 6.57 25 21 112.3 141 82 33 36 77 6.72

Pitchers – Advanced
Player K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BB% K% BABIP ERA+ ERA- WAR No. 1 Comp
Trevor Bauer 10.8 3.1 1.1 8.2% 28.6% .296 128 78 4.2 Brad Penny
Luis Castillo 10.2 3.2 1.1 8.6% 27.2% .287 128 78 3.9 Freddy Garcia
Sonny Gray 10.0 3.5 1.1 9.4% 26.7% .279 124 80 3.3 Dave Stieb
Tyler Mahle 9.5 3.1 1.4 8.1% 24.6% .302 104 96 2.0 Danny Cox
Tejay Antone 8.5 3.8 1.4 9.7% 21.4% .295 98 102 1.3 Steve Arlin
Raisel Iglesias 11.8 3.0 1.3 8.1% 31.8% .292 134 74 1.2 Mike Maddux
Lucas Sims 12.0 4.4 1.8 11.2% 30.7% .294 98 102 1.1 Kevin Barry
Wade Miley 7.6 3.9 1.4 9.7% 19.2% .297 96 104 1.1 Dutch Ruether
Anthony DeSclafani 8.7 2.9 1.9 7.5% 22.4% .295 92 109 1.0 Russ Meyer
Archie Bradley 11.0 3.3 1.3 8.7% 28.9% .295 125 80 1.0 Mike Henneman
Jeff Hoffman 9.5 4.1 1.6 10.3% 23.8% .302 91 110 1.0 Bill Swift
Sal Romano 8.5 3.6 1.4 9.0% 21.5% .302 96 104 0.9 Jim McDonald
Michael Lorenzen 9.2 3.8 1.3 9.7% 23.8% .288 110 91 0.8 Dick Hyde
Riley O’Brien 8.4 5.2 1.4 12.6% 20.4% .300 89 112 0.7 Mike Torrez
Amir Garrett 12.4 4.7 1.4 12.0% 31.8% .290 115 87 0.6 Doug Capilla
Ryan Lillie 6.7 3.8 1.6 9.3% 16.6% .299 84 119 0.5 Jake Joseph
Matthew Bowman 8.9 4.2 1.1 10.5% 22.7% .298 107 93 0.4 Ed Farmer
Jay Jackson 11.5 3.7 1.6 9.7% 29.8% .292 107 94 0.3 Gregg Olson
Chris Volstad 5.0 2.3 1.5 5.9% 12.7% .298 89 112 0.3 Bob Klinger
Nate Jones 10.0 4.1 1.2 10.4% 25.2% .300 113 89 0.3 Roger McDowell
Vladimir Gutierrez 8.0 3.2 2.1 8.1% 20.0% .298 81 124 0.2 Michael Macdonald
Tony Santillan 7.5 5.0 1.7 12.1% 18.2% .298 81 123 0.2 Rich Berg
Felix Jorge 5.5 2.9 1.8 7.1% 13.6% .301 82 122 0.2 A.J. Sager
Ryan Hendrix 11.5 6.0 1.2 14.7% 28.4% .301 102 98 0.2 Clay Bryant
R.J. Alaniz 9.7 4.4 1.4 11.2% 24.3% .300 97 103 0.2 Michael Bumstead
Jose De Leon 10.7 5.8 1.7 14.1% 25.8% .302 85 117 0.1 Lou Kretlow
Brandon Bailey 8.6 5.1 1.8 12.3% 20.7% .298 82 122 0.1 Tim Byron
Rob Wooten 6.9 2.0 2.0 5.1% 17.8% .298 83 121 0.1 Brian Moehler
Jesse Biddle 9.8 5.2 1.4 12.8% 23.9% .305 97 103 0.1 Tippy Martinez
Jared Solomon 7.4 6.8 1.3 15.7% 17.1% .299 79 126 0.0 Preston Hanna
Justin Miller 10.0 2.4 2.2 6.4% 26.2% .288 95 105 0.0 Rich Monteleone
David D. Carpenter 8.5 4.6 1.2 11.3% 21.1% .298 95 105 0.0 Rube Ehrhardt
Ryan Nutof 8.8 5.0 1.5 12.4% 21.7% .294 89 112 -0.2 Sam Nahem
Wyatt Strahan 5.8 4.6 1.6 11.0% 13.7% .305 76 132 -0.3 Jesse Jefferson
Tyler Thornburg 10.1 5.7 2.1 13.6% 24.1% .308 74 135 -0.4 Moe Burtschy
Junichi Tazawa 8.2 4.1 2.3 10.1% 20.1% .297 76 132 -0.4 Bob Miller
Andrew Moore 6.2 2.9 2.6 7.1% 15.1% .301 70 142 -0.8 Bill King

Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2021 due to injury, and players who were released in 2020. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a Finnish industrial death metal fourth-wave ska J-pop band, he’s still listed here intentionally.

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2021; if it does not, there will be widespread minor adjustments across the board come April.

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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
5 years ago

Am I to conclude that the Rockies’ LF situation is worse than the Reds’ SS situation here, since it’s not censored?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

This is probably the single most logical team to execute a trade-and-extension with Lindor, since they have almost everyone playing one spot too high on the defensive spectrum, and Castillo and Gray generate a lot of ground balls. But I don’t think it’s going to happen, and here is why I think that:
1) The infield defense is sub optimal because this is a team that doesn’t care that much about infield defense. Hence, they probably value Lindor less.
2) The team has been pretty non-committal about spending this offseason, with the contracts committed to Votto, Moustakas, and Castellanos. Even if they don’t extend him, Lindor is going to clock in at about $20M.
3) Cleveland would definitely trade a star to the Reds–after all, they did it with Bauer–but Lindor is the team’s most recognizable star. So I’m guessing if they have two offers that they think are equivalent, they’d pick sending him out somewhere else.

Shalesh
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

As you said in Dan’s Rockies forecast, the Reds are one of the 7 or so worst-run orgs. I know they get a lot of plaudits on FanGraphs for going for it, but so do the Rangers, and neither team should have traded top prospects to “go for it” with the terrible lineups each possesses. Giving 4/$64M to each of Castellanos and Moustakas was stupid — you don’t give that kind of money to 2-win players.

In fairness, maybe Dick Williams is like Dave Dombrowski in knowing when the league overvalues a prospect like Taylor Trammell, so he figured “let’s get Bauer and if Senzel turns into a good player, we’re a playoff team for a couple years.” They haven’t been lucky on their prospects unfortunately, and need big luck on Greene, Lodolo, and India (who is now rated only a 45+) or Williams is getting fired pronto.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

The Reds make some truly baffling moves, but I give them a lot of credit for helping Sonny Gray and Luis Castillo become playoff-worthy starters. If you look at what the Williams-Krall team has done, that’s what you can point to. Everything else is not good.

I think that aside from the Rangers and Rockies, it’s hard to criticize front offices as being “bad” overall because pretty much all of them do some things well. Will they be able to do the same thing with Lodolo or Greene? I don’t know.

motleycrue84Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Klentak-era Phillies were terrible. Bad at drafting. Bad at player development. Until this past year, bad at free agency. Don’t know how they don’t receive more criticism. They started their shift toward ‘contention’ with the Arrieta signing and the Carlos Santana/Hoskins 1b debacle not because they had built a core, but because they had gotten Ryan Howard etc off the cap and the fans were upset. Klentak effectively wasted 6 years for that Org.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  motleycrue84

I think that’s fair, although he’s not really in charge anymore. He inherited Nola and Eflin, traded for Realmuto (which did make the team better, although Sixto looks pretty good too), traded for Segura (a not good deal), and signed a bunch of guys to enormous contracts that either didn’t make sense (Arrieta, Santana) or where the jury is still very much out (Harper, Wheeler–although I think Wheeler will turn out well for them). Hoskins did develop a bit under his watch, but he was pretty dominant the moment he showed up (and was drafted by his predecessor). The Didi deal was good, although for one year? I think you could make an argument that this was not a good front office, and the drafting seems particularly bad, although Spencer Howard and some of the J2 signings might make them look a little better.

motleycrue84Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I said ‘until this past year’ as I liked both the Didi and Wheeler deals. Bryce Harper is a star, not a franchise player, and is being paid like a franchise player; he’s not a good clubhouse guy and that signing will haunt them for the next 10 years.

I don’t get you defending their J2 signings-what major market club that actually is active on the market (aka no ChiWhi) has performed worse on the J2 market over the past 5 years than the Phillies? The Yankees, Mets, Nationals, Cubs, Braves, Padres, Angels, Dodgers, Giants, and Astros have all markedly outperformed the Phillies over that time frame, not to mention smaller payroll clubs like TBR, AZ, CLE.

The Phillies have Marchan…and who?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  motleycrue84

In general, because you’re signing 16 year olds most of the time, it’s hard to evaluate the acquisition and development of J2 classes until a bit later. Realistically, it’s also hard to evaluate acquisition and development of high school players too, but the early returns on that front have not been promising.

More generally, you may have misunderstood my comments. Being a contender for the third worst front office in major league baseball is not equivalent to defending anyone.

TonyMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Lindor sure makes the lineup a lot better, and would make the team much more fun to watch. I don’t think Cleveland cares about trading him to Cincinnati. They play the Reds four times a year, which is less than if they trade him to an AL team.

Jonathan AdelmanMember since 2024
5 years ago

Shameless request: can we see a Robert Stephenson ZiPS projection? <3

montrealMember since 2022
5 years ago

The Reds are hurt big time by the fact Nick Senzel has never developped into the star they had hoped. I also believed he was going to be an excellent player.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  montreal

This has probably been discusses elsewhere but I was trying to figure out why Senzel has been so bad. Granted, it was a small sample size, but he actually considerably improved his plate discipline this year. He swung at more pitches in the zone and less pitches out of the zone but managed to get even worse results. What I was able to figure out was that he can’t hit breaking pitches. In 2019, he was thrown breaking pitches 28.8% of the time and he hit those to a WOBA of .229. The league obviously recognized this weakness and exploited it by throwing him breaking pitches 42.8% of the time in 2020 to which he hit a measly .131 WOBA. If he can figure that out, he’s still got star power. If not, I don’t think he’ll be in the league long.

motleycrue84Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

You guys are talking like Senzel is hopeless-is there no shot he develops into a regular at 2B or CF?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

If you take a look at his statcast numbers, he somehow managed to increase his launch angle and also increase his exit velocity, but the number of barrels fell in half; he only had two barrels the whole (abbreviated) year. So basically, when he hit it at a barrel angle it was soft, and when he hit it at a non-barrel angle it was hard.

Looking at the numbers, yes, he was awful on breaking balls both years. His exit velocity is awful, and he whiffs a lot of the time. If you look at his value-per-pitch vs. sliders on this site, they were particularly bad. He had a -2.38 value on them, which is in Rob Refsnyder-Hank Conger territory (it’s a little better than what pitchers do against sliders…a little). He also got crushed versus cutters, which isn’t really a breaking pitch but it’s also not not a breaking pitch either. Clearly, he has trouble with pitches with that type of movement.

He does seem like he’s turned into a functional center fielder, so that’s good, but if I had to guess, I would think that they spent so much time trying him out at different positions that it distracted him a bit from learning how to hit sliders. I’m curious to see if, once he’s settled in, he can work a bit more on handling stuff that breaks that way.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
5 years ago

Not sure what the politics of this would look like in terms of convincing, but what about signing 2 of the availability SS. Simiens + Simmons. Move Moose to a LF/1B situation. Trade the farm for Snell.

32roland
5 years ago

Chambliss seems like a prophetic comp for Votto, as I could easily foresee the latter also being a hitting coach long term. On the field, though, that is a grim projection.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

This team baffles me. They can hit and pitch, but wont fix their terrible defense. Every year its easy to see a path to winning and every year they just disappoint. So close, yet so far.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Sign simmons?

What is their spending limit? Could get him cheap, maybe trade BAL to get Iglesias back. Simmons should cost ~$10M. Iglesias is only $3.5M. move Moose off. Not sure if he can play a competent LF/1B split.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

They could trade for Iglesias from BAL. he’s only owed $3.5M. maybe trade their current Iglesias to free up $8M and sign one of the decent FA OF. That’s like 5-6 WAR there. Maybe the current roster over performs by a couple more and they’re a playoff contender.