ZiPS Trade-Deadline Roundup, National League
Yesterday, we cranked the ZiPS projection system through the American League standings in the wake of the trade deadline, churning out new AL playoff odds from the gears and turbines. Now, it’s the National League’s turn — and, this year at least, the best has been saved for second. The methodology is the same as for the American League yesterday. For those who purposely ignored that piece, regarding baseball’s junior circuit as a bunch of filthy upstarts, allow me to repeat it here.
To arrive at the standings forecasts below, I first began with the updated ZiPS projections as of the morning of August 1st, which includes my spin on the new depth charts. There’s some variation from the FanGraphs Depth Charts, but they tend to be in the same neighborhood given that the disagreements between playing-time predictions typically involve mostly fringe-type players; it’s not like one of us thinks Clayton Kershaw will start for the Dodgers and the other things they’ll release him or something.
After that, I “undid” every transaction made since June 15th, both reshuffling the depth charts as if the trades never happened and removing or adding the fractional wins that players have added to their new teams since those trades. Then… ZiPS-zap-zippity-zoop… out came the new projections and a bottom line of the changes in playoff odds.
| Team | Playoff+ |
|---|---|
| Los Angeles Dodgers | 7.1% |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | 6.6% |
| Philadelphia Phillies | 4.5% |
| Atlanta Braves | 3.1% |
| Milwaukee Brewers | 1.4% |
| New York Mets | 0.0% |
| Miami Marlins | 0.0% |
| Cincinnati Reds | 0.0% |
| San Diego Padres | 0.0% |
| Chicago Cubs | -0.1% |
| Pittsburgh Pirates | -2.4% |
| San Francisco Giants | -3.1% |
| St. Louis Cardinals | -3.3% |
| Washington Nationals | -6.3% |
| Colorado Rockies | -7.4% |
Hey, stuff happened! Unlike the American League, where nine of the 15 teams are just hanging around and waiting for the inevitable end, we have significant races going on the Senior Circuit. We have three legitimate divisional races going on and a total of 11 teams within six games of a playoff berth. Today’s MLB is nearly a mirror image of a few years ago, when most of the American League’s clubs entered August within striking distance of a Wild Card spot and the NL featured some real snoozers. So I can only assume this is Rand McNally and we’re going to be eaten by hamburgers.
| Team | W | L | GB | PCT | DIV% | WC% | PLAYOFF% | PreDIV | PrePlayoff |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Philadelphia Phillies | 88 | 74 | — | .543 | 52.5% | 12.8% | 65.4% | 46.6% | 58.8% |
| Atlanta Braves | 87 | 75 | 1 | .537 | 38.2% | 14.6% | 52.8% | 39.1% | 51.7% |
| Washington Nationals | 84 | 78 | 4 | .519 | 9.3% | 6.7% | 15.9% | 14.3% | 22.3% |
| New York Mets | 71 | 91 | 17 | .438 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Miami Marlins | 67 | 95 | 21 | .414 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
My theory on Atlanta and Philadelphia at that trade deadline was that each would behave reactively, opting to pursue a big move only if the other one did. Both teams arrived at the end of July in a similar situation, having finished off well-executed rebuilds and set to contend for the remainder of the year. Both teams also possessed enough prospect depth to make a trade, if that’s what they wanted. It was, effectively, deterrence theory in action, each club wanting to launch all their missiles only if the other guys were doing it, too.
In the end, both teams made real, marginal improvements, but neither gave up their most prized prospects to make these improvements. (Which makes sense: I’ve always suspected that, if an NL East team were going to destroy the planet, it would probably be the Mets.) I’m not crazy about the idea of Asdrubal Cabrera playing middle infield for the Phillies, but Scott Kingery‘s defied his projections in the bad direction while J.P. Crawford’s season has been interrupted repeatedly due to injuries, including an elbow strain and a broken hand. They had resorted to finding Trevor Plouffe, who I forgot was still in organized baseball when he popped up with the Phillies. At age 32, Cabrera’s having the best offensive season of his career, with an OPS over .800 and an outside chance of reaching 30 homers for the season — and the Phillies do have offensive needs, ranking 11th in the NL in runs scored. And in Wilson Ramos, they also get a short-term upgrade at catcher… when he returns from injury.
Atlanta improved their bullpen depth by taking Baltimore’s (Brad Brach, Darren O’Day) while also bringing in Kevin Gausman. I’m on the record as being a big Gausman fan, but even I’ll admit that, right now, he’s a mid-rotation starter who’s merely helpful; the really interesting part of that trade is his upside in 2019 and 2020.
Washington didn’t do much, but with other teams improving, that was enough to lose playoff ground. By the time the club suddenly announced that they weren’t going to trade Bryce Harper, the math for trading Bryce Harper had improved considerably from when they were actually dipping their toes into the Harper market. It’s too bad, really, as a Harper trade would have transmogrified an excellent trade deadline into a magical one. The big hope for Washington may be that ZiPS is wrong and the FanGraphs Depth Charts are right, most notably in their season-long disagreement on the Braves.
The Mets were, well, the Mets. In Cabrera and Jeurys Familia, they traded the players who were obvious trade chips — and, after being shocked that the world wasn’t beating a path to their door to snag Jose Bautista or Devin Mesoraco, they shut down the shop and enjoyed the long weekend. The possible drama from a Jacob DeGrom or Noah Syndergaard deal never really developed outside of the swirling rumors for the month. If recent history is any indication, it’s unlikely that the Wilpons will invest a lot in this year’s interesting free-agent market.
Outside of Cameron Maybin and Brad Ziegler, Miami asked a lot for their prizes. With no one club prepared to offer their 10 best prospects for J.T. Realmuto, they joined the Mets in kicking back and taking a load off. I’m not sure they’ll ever get a better package offered than the Victor Robles-led one they allegedly turned down; Realmuto is an excellent player and has a great deal of value, but there are limits.
| Team | W | L | GB | PCT | DIV% | WC% | PLAYOFF% | PreDIV | PrePlayoff |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chicago Cubs | 93 | 69 | — | .574 | 60.8% | 32.3% | 93.1% | 62.0% | 93.2% |
| Milwaukee Brewers | 92 | 70 | 1 | .568 | 38.4% | 48.8% | 87.1% | 36.5% | 85.8% |
| Pittsburgh Pirates | 83 | 79 | 10 | .512 | 0.6% | 8.8% | 9.4% | 1.0% | 11.9% |
| St. Louis Cardinals | 82 | 80 | 11 | .506 | 0.2% | 4.4% | 4.7% | 0.5% | 8.0% |
| Cincinnati Reds | 72 | 90 | 21 | .444 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
The Cubs had a relatively quiet trade deadline, picking up Cole Hamels, Brandon Kintzler, and Jesse Chavez, just enough for ZiPS to place them effectively in the “neutral” category. Hamels is still a familiar name, but he’s not the pitcher he was just a few years ago and his main lure is being a better option than Tyler Chatwood. Either Jacob deGrom or Noah Syndergaard would have been a fun Cub-blockbuster, but some of their giant trades in the past have whittled down the top end of their minor leagues. There’s nobody in the system at whom I look and say “Yeah, that’s a top-100 guy” — and my colleagues Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel agree, ranking the top Cub 104th overall in their June update.
ZiPS is a big fan of the Brewers’ deadline moves, even if the club failed to add a starting pitcher. The defense may be a little iffy, but the projection system has been a fan both of Mike Moustakas and Jonathan Schoop — and, contrary to what everyone’s knee-jerk opinion of the Brewers may be, the offense has been the team’s main problem, not the starting pitching. I think the difference between the Brewers’ and Cubs’ deadlines is a bit tighter than the projections say and personally consider them about equivalent overall.
The most surprising result among these updated projections is probably the Pirates’ place relative to the other two contenders in the NL Central. While Chris Archer has ace-like stuff, he hasn’t stood out this year, and the Pirates have already had a rotation full of decent-but-not-spectacular pitchers. Keone Kela continues to make any control issues a memory and has a FIP below three, but the Pirates bullpen wasn’t really the problem, either (and Glasnow had a 3.63 FIP!). I think these were good moves by the Pirates, but not necessarily best for 2019, as they didn’t seem to address the team’s largest short-term holes.
Also, the math is daunting: not only are the Pirates significantly behind both the Brewers and Cubs for the division, but also seven other teams and the Brewers/Cub loser for two Wild Card spots. It would actually be preferable, in that case, to be situated six games behind just a lone team in the Wild Card, like Oakland was a few weeks ago. What makes this an exciting trade is the next few years: Chris Archer possesses team options through 2021, while Kela also won’t hit free agency until that year. I like both Tyler Glasnow and Austin Meadows despite their flaws (especially present in the latter), but at some point, the Pirates have to commit to the near future instead of the far one.
No deal surprised me as much as the Cardinals’ trade of Tommy Pham. I literally heard nothing about a possible Pham trade until it was actually announced. In hindsight, there’s some logic to it: the clubs wasn’t going to move Marcell Ozuna and probably couldn’t move Dexter Fowler right now. So if they wanted to give any playing time to Harrison Bader and Tyler O’Neill, Pham was the one who had to go. I don’t expect a big August for the team, outside of a possible trade of Bud Norris. The only other real name of note heading to free agency is Adam Wainwright, but the time for that has likely passed at the moment.
The Reds traded Adam Duvall two years too late, but they did get more than I expected in the end. Preston Tucker and Matt Wisler have use as role players and I still like Lucas Sims long-term as a reliever. I still expect them to move Matt Harvey, whose salary should allow him to pass through waivers without a problem. One could make the argument that the Reds would have been better off if the season hadn’t turned around once Jim Riggleman took over as the manager; if they felt they were a little farther away, maybe they’re more willing to move Scooter Gennett or Billy Hamilton or Raisel Iglesias.
| Team | W | L | GB | PCT | DIV% | WC% | PLAYOFF% | PreDIV | PrePlayoff |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles Dodgers | 91 | 71 | — | .562 | 58.9% | 20.3% | 79.2% | 52.2% | 72.1% |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | 88 | 74 | 3 | .543 | 27.0% | 28.2% | 55.2% | 25.3% | 48.6% |
| Colorado Rockies | 86 | 76 | 5 | .531 | 13.1% | 20.0% | 33.0% | 20.1% | 40.5% |
| San Francisco Giants | 82 | 80 | 9 | .506 | 1.0% | 3.1% | 4.1% | 2.4% | 7.2% |
| San Diego Padres | 63 | 99 | 28 | .389 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
There was no way the Dodgers weren’t going to have a big number in the gained column after picking up Manny Machado. John Axford doesn’t move any needles, and while Brian Dozier is a big name, he’s not as compelling an addition as he would have been in the past. Also, his ABs will likely come at the expense of a slumping Cody Bellinger’s expense, a player on whom I’m still bullish. As with the examples in past years of Joc Pederson and Yasiel Puig, however, reduced playing time in Los Angeles doesn’t mean an ouster is imminent.
The D-backs’ additions weren’t as newsworthy as the Dodgers’, but ZiPS thinks they’re nearly as good. Why? Put simply, Arizona had deeper flaws than the Dodgers did. The team’s offense has been a wreck, while the bullpen has probably overachieved, so players like Eduardo Escobar and Jon Jay and Jake Diekman and Brad Ziegler represent larger improvements than they would be on many teams. Arizona did try to get Manny Machado, so it would be hard to accuse them of lack of ambition.
The Rockies added to their bullpen depth before the deadline, picking up Seung Hwan Oh from the Toronto Blue Jays. Unfortunately, The Final Boss was also The Final Transaction for the Colorado Rockies, a club either blissfully unaware that their offense has been a significant problem in 2018 or simply way too reliant on the Last Six Weeks Projection System. While their NL West opponents addressed their team weaknesses, the Colorado Rockies made the brave choice to boldly do nothing. As a consequence, the Rockies saw their projection playoff probability lose more percentage points than any team in baseball.
Somehow, the San Francisco Giants managed to do even less than the Colorado Rockies, losing fewer points of playoff probability only because their position was significantly worse than Colorado’s to begin with. The Giants are no better or worse in 2018, 2019, or 2020 than they were a month ago. Makes me wonder if someone in the front office shot an albatross.
The Padres didn’t do much, but what they did, moving Brad Hand and Adam Cimber to bring in the game’s top catching prospect, Francisco Mejia, is enough to get a thumbs-up from me. I may grumble about the Eric Hosmer signing, both for the money involved and the roster shifts that ended up with Wil Myers in the outfield, but the team still looks to have a bright future despite a few blunders last winter.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Hamels sure looked solid enough last night for the Cubs. He is a real lottery ticket for the Cubs I think.
If by lottery ticket you mean a scratch-off, I would agree with that.
So is he going to pitch in that horrific Texas park again? Nope. He’s got a 2.69 ERA/.216 avg against/.675 ops against/3.94 FIP when he doesn’t pitch in Texas. His 1st start with the Cubs only had 9 k’s and 0 ER. 1.36 FIP.
Theo on Hamels: “Home-road splits in terms of analysis only go so far. You’re taking what is already a small sample, a partial season, and dicing it into even smaller parts, so you can really get out of control crafting your own narrative.”
well his last 3 starts in Texas- where it was 94,97,99 degrees- he gave up 18 runs in 15 innings.
Texas is such a bad home park that this is one of those times where it does make sense to look at the home/road splits.
“well his last 3 starts in Texas- where it was 94,97,99 degrees- he gave up 18 runs in 15 innings”
And the opposing starting pitchers in those three games gave up 4 runs in 17.1 innings.
I think that given that they gave up little of value to acquire him and Tyler Chatwood was their current fifth starter, Hamels was a decent pickup. He has some upside as a potential 4th starter, and is very unlikely to be any worse than he already has been. I am also sympathetic to the idea that the park factors might not be fully updated yet, and his xFIP pegs him at about a #4 starter, so that seems reasonable. But if you’re expecting him to turn back the clock to 2015, good luck. We went through this with Matt Harvey already.
Looking at the Cole Hamels ZIPS projection rest of the season. 9 starts, 56 innings, 3.87 ERA/4.35 FIP. That would give him 0.7 WAR for just the Cubs with a 3.54 Cubs ERA. If that’s not a winner for the Cubs, I don’t know what is. He’s got as much Cubs WAR as Yu Darvish does for the entire season.
remember when everyone said the same thing about how Tyler Chatwood was gonna be really good outside of Coors?
Hamels was worse at home than Chatwood was at Coors. Last year Chatwood had a 6.01/3.49 split with ERA, and a 5.11/4.79 split with FIP. Hamels this year 6.41/2.69 ERA split, and 6.17/3.95 split with FIP.
And part of that is that Texas this year much more of a hitters park than Coors was last year. I really don’t think folks appreciate just how much that’s the case right now.
Will end up being one of, if not the best pick up this season.
If he finishes as Zips projects for the Cubs- 10 starts, 61 innings, 3.54 ERA- how could it not be one of the best pickups?
I think Dan is right about most everything here, but especially the Marlins and Mets. The Mets’ position would be much more defensible if they decided to go hard after Grandal and Machado (or even Elvis Andrus) in the winter, but they won’t. The Marlins are never going to get a better package than one headed by Victor Robles, and the fact that they turned down the Nationals is a fireable offense.
The one area I disagree on Dan was with the Brewers. The Brewers have exactly five starters available to last the rest of the season, since Nelson and Davies look broken, and their fifth (Wade Miley) has been pretty nicked up. There’s a real question about whether any of the guys are going to be good enough to start a play-in game. That said, aside from Archer and the Mets starters, it’s not clear they could have gotten someone to upgrade that. They’re probably the best candidate to bullpen a wild-card game I’ve seen in a while.
“So I can only assume this is Rand McNally and we’re going to be eaten by hamburgers.”
Now this is the quality content I need in the morning.
Thank goodness the Braves and Phillies didn’t escalate toward mutually assured destruction.
We’d otherwise be sweating bullets.
I really enjoy reading your writing Dan. Thx.
Lemme copyright the Last Six Weeks Projections System real fast.
St. Louis didn’t do much that stands out, but I think this trade deadline will heavily influence what they do this offseason. Going by the traded prospect rankings that Kiley and Eric generated, STL acquired seven prospects — a 45 FV, five 40 FV’s, and a 35 FV. Their farm system was decent, but it was mostly filled with depth, not starpower. These seven players just add to that good depth.
In terms of their money situation, Wainwright, Norris, and Holland drop off of the books, clearing $36.5 million. Contract raises to Wong/Carpenter/Gyorko/Mikolas eat up about $8 million of that, and arbitration raises to Ozuna and Wacha probably add $5-$10 million (I dunno about those numbers — I’m no good with arbitration math). Added up, that leaves around $20 million to play with. And if the Cardinals trade Wacha or Carlos Martinez to open up a rotation spot for their absurd starting depth (Reyes, Gomber, Hudson, Gant, Weaver, Flaherty, Poncedeleon and Helsley are all starters who have already had success in the majors or are 40+ FV guys who will be major-league ready by 2019), that opens up another big chunk of cash.
The Cardinals fired their manager in-season at a time when the team still had a reasonable shot at the playoffs, and Mozeliak just completed a massive roster shake-up (which is quite difficult to do in the middle of a season). There’s clearly a sense of urgency to get the team back to the playoffs.
I think STL will be the busiest team this offseason and swim in the deep waters of both free agency and the trade market. We could see more than one strong prospect package to bring in All-Star-level players, and I expect STL to be serious bidders in the Manny Machado and Bryce Harper sweepstakes, especially if they clear an arbitration-3 salary. The seven talented minor league players STL acquired will be put to good use. David Price, Jason Heyward, and Giancarlo Stanton wouldn’t take the Cardinals’ $200+ million, but I bet Machado would take their $350 million (or whatever he ends up with).
I don’t know how busy the Cards will be, but you may want to add $6 million that comes off the books next year for Leake. But the biggest question will be what to do about Fowler at $14.5 million for the next three years, do you play him until he is tradeable, shift him to fourth outfielder, or send him bundled w/prospects and/or cash?
Not trading Norris at the deadline seems mysterious. He must not have had much trade value or perhaps they want to resign him next year (after realizing he wasn’t valued by many other clubs).
With Fowler, I think you play him as much as possible in August and September and reevaluate in Spring Training. If he still looks toast in March of 2019, you simply release him. You could try to find a bad contract swap, or maybe you offer to pay down most of his deal, but that’s just beating around the bush.
Not trading Norris made absolutely no sense. He’s having a great year, and every playoff team wants a studly bullpen. Norris has had some elbow pains, which I guess scared suitors away, but why not take a gamble on him and only give up a low-level prospect? Maybe STL wants to sign him in 2019, but they could have traded him and re-signed him, no biggie. It happens sometimes.
Last time the Rockies were willing to part with talent for a major upgrade via trade?
If you answered C) never, you’d be correct. Never understood why this doesn’t get more attention.
Team has yet to win the division in their 25 year history, and they still outright refuse to deal from the cream (or even the chaff, usually) of their farm. Ever. It’s baffling.
No team was in more obviously need of either a corner OF or a 1B (& move Desmond to a corner OF spot). Or a catcher.
Instead they did nothing. I’d be disappointed if I was a Rockies fan
Well they could just play McMahon and Tapia. That might help.
They’re not benching Desmond who is batting .290/.377/.527 since May 18. With a 128 wRC+. Folks want to just look at the overall season stats and think that’s where he is.
Can they bench Gonzalez and Parra?
Giants didn’t do anything but there just isn’t much they can do. Posey, Crawford, & Melancon all have full no-trades and Pence has 10/5 rights. Both Samardzjia and Belt have partial no-trades. Cueto’s having TJ and it was pretty clear even before the announcement that he wasn’t right. Longoria has fallen off a cliff and has another 4 years on his deal and McCutcheon has also fallen off a cliff. Pretty much their only trade chip is MadBum and you can’t trade him if the idea is to contend this year. Their payroll this year is at $196.4M per b-ref so if they want to stay under the luxury tax, they literally cannot add any salary. Plus their farm system is not exactly teeming with talent they can offer in trades.
On top of that, so many of those guys are signed for multiple years going forward. Pence and McCutcheon are FA after this year but the only FA after next year is MadBum. Posey, Cueto, Longoria, Shark, Crawford, Belt and Melancon all have at least 2 more years on their deals.
I have a feeling the Giants’ slide over the next few years is going to maybe be even worse than the Phillies after 2011
One thing I’ve never understood: isn’t it more work to spell McCutchen wrong? Is it an autocorrect thing?
No autocorrect, just my bad on that. I also mixed up a couple letters at the end of Samardzija. . . .but I got Belt right, so yay for me 🙂
“At some point, the Pirates have to commit to the near future instead of the far one.”
Isn’t that what they just did? Who is more likely to produce short-term returns, Archer/Kela or Glasgow/Meadows/Hearn?
Was kind of thinking the same thing – what they gave away probably has more long-term value than what they received.
If you reread it, I think Dan was saying exactly that. By moving on from Glasnow and Meadows they are committing to the near future with archer and Kela.
Yes, I meant this. If not understood, I should have done a better job wording it.
One of my peeves with the Pirates is once they started winning, it still seemed they made moves with the idea that there was a bigger win season coming. That’s a risky game and sometimes you gotta assume now is the best it’s going to be.
Just a little correction; O’Day won’t be giving the Braves bullpen depth, he’s out for the season. They just took on his contract to lessen the prospect capital going to Baltimore for Gausman.
Good catch. I had got it into my fool head that he might be back in September. Even though every article talking about it said out for the season at the time.
Dozier’s AB should not affect Bellinger. Muncy more likely to sit since he’s fallen back to earth with a thud. And with Dozier’s last two Augusts and Septembers in mind (most home runs in MLB), I think his addition can be huge.
“The Giants are no better or worse in 2018, 2019, or 2020 than they were a month ago. Makes me wonder if someone in the front office shot an albatross.“
Excellent summary. The Giants failure to do much of anything was mystifying to me. They look to be dead in the water as is for a long time, and the Dbacks, Padres and Dodgers are all improving.
Speaking of the Dodgers, I was shocked that they didn’t trade for relief help and fully expect that decision to hurt them during the playoffs.
The Dodgers really couldn’t add much relief help only because they’re hellbent on resetting their tax threshold. They’re going to be within 1 million dollars of the threshold so couldn’t do much at all(how close will be dependent on how much they have to use Maeda down the stretch)….
Of course, when you’re scoring 21 runs like they are thru 7 tonight- bullpen might not be that big of a deal.
Yes, but I don’t see the Dodgers doing that against Astro pitching if we get a repeat of last year’s WS and I really don’t think that their current relief corps looks nearly good enough to stop the Cubs, let alone the Astros.
The Dodgers haven’t won a WS since 1988. They had a chance to go all in this year and have a good chance to finally win one. Instead they chose to hold back on spending out of fear of the luxury tax penalties. The current ownership group isn’t the McCourts, but they sure can act like they are sometimes.
Yeah I completely agree with you on that. They might get a real dose of reality on that front this upcoming weekend as they see the Astros. I definitely think they will look back at this year with regret should they not win the World Series entirely due to their bullpen issues.
BUT- that lineup is just so good.
I am very disappointed in the NATS lethargy at the trade deadline. I would have preferred they trade Harper than do nothing. At least the outfield defense would have improved. But the main things they sought Realmuto and a dominant pitcher just were not really available. Still something would have been better.
I am far from a Nats fan bit I too was shocked at all that they didn’t do. They are clearly an organization with serious issues.
Meanwhile Houston continues to crunch the numbers and make smart moves accordingly, and the Yankees do amazing things while resetting their budget.
“For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.”
Maybe what they did do- getting rid of Kintzler via trade (and then next day DFA’ing Kelley- was just the kind of kickstart that they needed. Harper is starting to absolutely rake- .359/.480/.692 3 HR, 13 RBI since the break- 1 of 3 Nats batters in the top 20 in fWAR since the break.
And if the Nats did offer Robles to Miami for Realmuto and got rebuffed, not much you can do there. Sometimes to do a deal just for making a deals sake isn’t the smartest thing in the world.
Only 1 start- but Dan’s comments on Archer look spot on so far. 5 runs in 4.2 innings.