2014 Trade Deadline Live Blog
| 2:45 |
: So, we’re 75 minutes from the deadline, and most of the big moves have probably already happened, but we’ll spend the next couple of hours live blogging the rest of the run up to 4 pm, and the spillover that happens after. Come hang out with us.
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| 2:58 |
: Alright, I’ve got the chat on one screen and Twitter on another, so let’s chat for a while.
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| 2:58 |
: Plan is to go for a few hours, but things could change depending on what breaks. if David Price gets moved, I’ll have to go write about that, so we’ll see.
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| 2:59 |
: And, as you guys probably guessed, the queue is very full. Please don’t be mad if your questions don’t get answered.
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| 2:59 |
: Dave, I heard we traded Cistulli and a package of interns to the Rays for David Price? True, false?
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| 3:00 |
: And we have news: Asdrubal Cabrera has been traded somewhere.
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| 3:00 |
: And Andrew Miller is going to Baltimore, apparently.
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| 3:00 |
: Well look at that, an AL East team trying to compete gets in the game.
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| 3:01 |
: Looks like Asdrubal is going to the Nationals.
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| 3:01 |
What do you think of the Mariners acquiring Chris Denforia, will it be that much of an upgrade? Also do you think the Mariners will make another move? |
| 3:01 |
| 3:02 |
Nationals? Where does Rendon or Zimmerman play? |
| 3:02 |
: Well, Zimmerman is hurt.
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| 3:02 |
: Zim is hurt, so Rendon will play third and Asdrubal will platoon with Espinosa at second.
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| 3:03 |
Rumor is that the Cardinals are still in on Price. On a scale of 1 to Gary Busey, how insane would them landing him be? |
| 3:03 |
: Yeah, not buying it. They didn’t need three new starters.
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| 3:04 |
If the Bosox are so focused on next year, why not keep Lackey given how cheap he’ll be? |
| 3:04 |
: Alex Speier says Red Sox get Eduardo Rodriguez for Andrew Miller. Rodriguez was apparently off limits a year ago.
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| 3:04 |
: I think there is concern that Lackey would make waves and/or would retire.
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| 3:05 |
: Cleveland getting Zach Walters in return for Cabrera. Walters has power but very raw. Sean Rodriguez upside.
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| 3:05 |
Cubs the #1 trade deadline winner, no? |
| 3:06 |
: Probably, but still time for that to change.
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| 3:06 |
I’m trying to imagine as a rational (or even irrational actor) what the Phillies are thinking. Thoughts? Even job protection can’t seem to justify this – couldn’t they have tried a reload-esque deal the way the RedSox are attempting? |
| 3:06 |
: They don’t understand how to value players.
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| 3:06 |
Why have the $500,00 final year if Lackey won’t honor it? |
| 3:07 |
: It still gives you leverage. At the worst, he’ll sign a below market extension, most likely.
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| 3:07 |
Re: the Phils, is it possible ownership won’t let RAJ trade anyone w/o a huge return b/c they want to rebuild in the offseason with a new GM? |
| 3:07 |
: Anything is possible. Based on what we know about how Ruben Amaro values players, though, it seems more likely that he just doesn’t know how to read the market.
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| 3:07 |
If a player retires with money left n his contract, does he just walk away from it? Isn’t that a breach of contract? If Mike Trout wanted to retire this year, would the Angels just say, “Okay”? |
| 3:08 |
: You can’t force someone to work. If they retire, they forfeit their salary, but they have every right to do so.
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| 3:09 |
But I bet the Angels would say less family-friendly things than “okay”! |
| 3:09 |
: Agree.
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| 3:09 |
What do you think of the returns? Seems high for Miller, low for Cleveland. |
| 3:09 |
: Andrew Miller is awesome. Walters for Cabrera seems fair to me.
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| 3:09 |
How much of an upgrade is Asdrubal Cabrera for the Nats at 2B? |
| 3:10 |
: Maybe a win. Espinosa against RHPs is quite bad.
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| 3:10 |
Are you hearing that Oakland may move Hammel? |
| 3:10 |
: It would make some sense.
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| 3:11 |
In your estimation, how long before Lindor is up with the Indians? |
| 3:11 |
: Next year.
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| 3:11 |
Guesses on David Price? If he is traded? If so where and for what? Go! |
| 3:12 |
: Only spot left that makes a lot of sense is PIT. If they can rent him for the next few months, then flip him this winter for 75% of what they paid, worth doing.
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| 3:12 |
Given what we know about pitchers performance and health, what do you think of the Sox basically hoarding a bunch of young guys with upside for next year? Maybe they sign a Scherzer/Lester type, but thats a lot of young arms they have |
| 3:12 |
: The best way to find a good starting pitcher is to acquire 10 of them.
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| 3:13 |
Am I the only Dodger sitting here waiting for the next 48 minutes to go by think, “don’t make a trade. don’t make a trade. don’t make a trade.” ? |
| 3:13 |
: You should want them to get a reliever or two.
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| 3:13 |
How do you think Red Sox juggle OF positions with Holt, Victorino, Craig, Cespedes, Bradley, etc.? |
| 3:13 |
: Guessing they rotate through four or five guys this year, with Victorino and Holt losing the most time after Craig acquisition, and then someone gets traded this winter.
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| 3:14 |
Have you seen a team sell off assets quite like the 2014 Red Sox? To wit: with such a direct focus on the following year. |
| 3:14 |
: The 2012 Red Sox, maybe?
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| 3:14 |
Are the indians giving up on this year? |
| 3:14 |
: Pretty much, yeah.
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| 3:14 |
Can you explain why the Cubs are big winners? |
| 3:14 |
: Addisson Russell is awesome.
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| 3:14 |
Who’s the player that should be traded this deadline, but won’t be? |
| 3:15 |
: Cole Hamels and Jorge de la Rosa.
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| 3:15 |
If Latos really is available. Toronto needs to be all over that yeah? Sanchez+ get it done? |
| 3:15 |
: If Latos was really available, Sanchez wouldn’t even get the phone answered.
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| 3:15 |
What is with the Indians/Mariners difference in approach, given the relative similarity of their playoff odds? |
| 3:16 |
: One team is desperate to win, the other isn’t.
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| 3:16 |
Chances Lester comes back to Boston in the offseason? |
| 3:16 |
: I’d guess 25%
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| 3:16 |
All the Rays trade talk is on Price, but with the lack of hitters available, why isn’t there any chatter about Zobrist? |
| 3:16 |
: Because he’s good and cheap next year.
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| 3:16 |
Mark Feinsand says the Tigers are the frontrunners for Price. How on earth would they pull that off? |
| 3:16 |
: Guessing Drew Smyly would be involved.
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| 3:17 |
: So what’s going on in here?
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| 3:17 |
: Oh, you know, just focusing on Chris Denorfia.
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| 3:17 |
: #MarinersChats
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| 3:17 |
Got writers saying the Red Sox are done dealing after the Andrew Miller trade. Shouldn’t they clear up their OF logjam? |
| 3:17 |
: That can wait until the off-season.
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| 3:18 |
I know it’s off topic, but I am loving Instagraphs for stuff like the minor trades today. |
| 3:18 |
: This was one of the main reasons we created it. No one wants 1,000 words on Alex Rios.
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| 3:19 |
: Or John Danks
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| 3:19 |
: No one wants 100 words on John Danks.
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| 3:19 |
: John Danks to the Marlins is going to be the perfect Marlins deadline buyer move
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| 3:19 |
: I stand by writing up a full post on Sam Fuld because he is not a bad baseball player and the A’s are super interesting
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| 3:19 |
: Yeah, that trade wasn’t just about Sam Fuld, and was worth the post.
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| 3:19 |
: I endorse the length, as I set myself up for all kinds of jokes.
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| 3:20 |
Is there a reason that the Diamondbacks didn’t just fire KT in like June, sign a replacement, and let that new guy run the deadline? |
| 3:20 |
: Teams don’t really like letting their smart AGM types leave mid-season.
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| 3:20 |
: Same reason Padres haven’t hired anyone yet.
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| 3:21 |
Mistake by the Red Sox to get just one year of Cespedes versus prospects for Lester? Seems like it’s not a great return for what might be the best rental of the deadline. |
| 3:21 |
: Red Sox don’t ever want to have a season in which they don’t contend. They’ll be able to win again in 2015, and Cespedes is going to help toward that end
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| 3:21 |
: Last year’s Rangers screw-up aside, rentals aren’t that valuable as trade chips.
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| 3:21 |
: Greinke got Segura+, but then how good is Segura, really?
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| 3:22 |
: Maybe an average SS
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| 3:22 |
: But yeah.
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| 3:22 |
What are the chances the Marlins sign Santon longterm? If they really were serious why wouldn’t they just do it now? |
| 3:22 |
: Players don’t like to sign extensions midseason and Stanton presumably wanted to see the Marlins prove they weren’t going to totally suck.
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| 3:22 |
: Yeah, you can’t force him to sign.
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| 3:23 |
: But they can try by giving him $175 million this winter and making him turn it down/.
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| 3:23 |
Royals and Dayton Moore doing nothing. Awesome? |
| 3:23 |
: For the record, I think it’s important to note the difference between doing nothing and not making any trades
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| 3:23 |
: Pat Gillick used to do nothing
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| 3:24 |
: He would literally vacation on deadline day.
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| 3:24 |
: Like, not be in the office.
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| 3:24 |
: the best
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| 3:24 |
When exactly is the deadline for trades to be into the league office? |
| 3:24 |
: 3:59:59.
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| 3:24 |
segura might be bad, but it’s not like he wasn’t thought highly of at the time, right? |
| 3:24 |
: No. 55 prospect before the season. Good, short of elite
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| 3:25 |
: Right. That’s about as good a guy as you’re going to get for a rental.
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| 3:25 |
: I’d rather have Cespedes than a No. 55 prospect
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| 3:25 |
: Depends on the team
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| 3:25 |
: *if I’m the Red Sox
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| 3:25 |
: Red Sox, maybe. Rebuilder? No.
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| 3:25 |
When teams make trades, do they do it online like we would trade fantasy players? How does it work? |
| 3:25 |
: It’s like 99% texting now, with some phone calls and emails worked in.
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| 3:26 |
heard a rumor that there’s a massive aol-chatroom type chat and no one tells the mets+phils |
| 3:26 |
Beltran got Wheeler for the Mets! |
| 3:26 |
: The Mets and Phillies use an actual AOL chat room.
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| 3:27 |
If any team really wanted to get Price and Zobrist, the Pirates would be most able/likely to get that done, true or false? |
| 3:27 |
: Right now, Pirates. Used to be maybe Cardinals. Mariners would be in the mix
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| 3:27 |
: Yeah, PIT would be best fit.
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| 3:27 |
How does the final trade become official? Like, how do you notify the MLB that you’ve made an official trade? |
| 3:27 |
: Both sides have to send confirmation to the commissioner’s office.
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| 3:28 |
Is Cistulli even paying attention to the deadline or is he knee deep in the futbol transfer window instead? |
| 3:28 |
: Carson possesses an unusual set of interests
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| 3:28 |
: I think he’s probably watching Corey Kluber’s start on loop.
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| 3:28 |
: In his defense, who wouldn’t be
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| 3:29 |
: I’ve said this before, but his pitching prospect picks have actually done pretty well.
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| 3:29 |
: Kluber, Garrett Richards, Jesse Hahn…
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| 3:29 |
: Carson is our top minor-league expert, turns out
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| 3:29 |
Is that confirmation to the commissioner’s office what has to be done by the deadline time? |
| 3:29 |
: Correct.
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| 3:30 |
Once this madness ends, who are the waiver wire trade candidates? |
| 3:30 |
: The expensive guys, like Cliff Lee
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| 3:30 |
: Cliff Lee, Bartolo Colon, Josh Willingham.
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| 3:30 |
I recall in past years trades being announced by MLB after the deadline due to processing time. Is that unlikely now with social media? |
| 3:31 |
: That still happens. Teams don’t actually announce things for an hour or two after they break by “report” anyway.
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| 3:31 |
: So apparently there’s a three team trade for David Price that is nearly done.
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| 3:31 |
: Marc Topkin latest to report it.
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| 3:32 |
: Nightengale said Mariners and Tigers were involved in conversation with Rays last week.
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| 3:32 |
How exactly do media members like Gammons, Olney, Rosenthal etc. break these trades? Are they non-stop texting gms hoping to get a response? Or are they friends with agents who tell them? |
| 3:32 |
: Friends with lots of people. They horse-trade and rack up a lot of favors.
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| 3:33 |
Do teams ever screw up and say the wrong thing to the wrong team via phone/txt? |
| 3:33 |
: closest I can think of http://www.nj.com/phillies/…
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| 3:33 |
: There’s a legendary story about the Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb trade.
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| 3:34 |
: As the story goes, the Red Sox asked for either of them in exchange for Slocumb, but Woody Woodward thought they asked for both and said yes to that instea.d
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| 3:34 |
: Hi guys, here is my InstaGraphs post on the Miller-Rodriguez swap:
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| 3:34 |
: and here’s Taijuan Walker https://twitter.com/tai_wal…
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| 3:35 |
: Uggggh is the new Hugs.
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| 3:35 |
if there’s a 3 team deal for Price involving the M’s and Tigers, is the plan for him to be shared between those two cities? |
| 3:35 |
: Taking job share to another level.
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| 3:35 |
: Hypothetically, you rather deal Walker or Paxton?
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| 3:35 |
: Both.
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| 3:36 |
: I don’t like pitching prospects with command problems and shoulder issues.
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| 3:36 |
I feel like a deal to share Price between two cities would read like a visitation agreement. |
| 3:37 |
What are the Giants doing? I don’t see how standing pat is the right move given their holes. Or are there so many holes, and so few chips, that they don’t have a choice? |
| 3:37 |
: Would you feel better if they made the Peavy trade today?
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| 3:37 |
: They got Dan Uggla!
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| 3:38 |
How soon after a trade is official is it typically reported by the media? |
| 3:38 |
: Sometimes a few minutes, sometimes a few hours.
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| 3:38 |
: On days like today, closer to minutes.
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| 3:38 |
: And often they get the scoop before deal is even done.
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| 3:38 |
: Yeah, it’s not like 2004 anymore, when we didn’t find out about the Nomar trade until nearly 5:30 ET.
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| 3:38 |
Red Sox gave up 2.5 WAR to acquire a package valued at -0.2 WAR. Neither player is a young prospect. Why didn’t they seek more? |
| 3:39 |
: Don’t use 2014 stats as a replacement for true talent estimtes.
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| 3:39 |
: estimates either.
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| 3:39 |
I get, I guess, why the Rockies don’t want to move Tulowitzki or Carlos Gonzalez. (Though if I was running the team, I’d look to move both.) But is the refusal to consider trading LaTroy Hawkins or Jose de la Rosa just evidence for how badly this organization is run? |
| 3:39 |
What is the biggest steal of the trade deadline so far? Most confusing trade? |
| 3:39 |
: Ryan: Yes.
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| 3:40 |
: Matt: Parra for nothing is pretty nice.
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| 3:40 |
: Absolutely to Ryan.
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| 3:41 |
chances that oakland a’s still can make a run at a 2B upgrade? |
| 3:41 |
: Not sure who is out there and a realistic acquisition.
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| 3:42 |
: Topkin says Price is only Rays player getting traded in three way deal, guessing its Tigers and Mariners.
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| 3:42 |
: I feel like between Callaspo, Punto, and Sogard, they ought to be able to mix and match *something*
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| 3:42 |
: Edes says Stephen Drew to NYY
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| 3:42 |
: Oh that makes me very happy. Bye Stephen Drew!!!!
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| 3:42 |
: Okay, let’s speculate on this three way thing.
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| 3:42 |
: Can’t imagine DET making deal to not get Price, so he goes there.
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| 3:43 |
: Rays like M’s young guys, so we’ll give them Franklin and Walker, plus some stuff, maybe?
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| 3:43 |
: And M’s get what from Detroit? Smyly?
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| 3:43 |
: Maybe Porcello?
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| 3:43 |
That feels light for the M’s so far. |
| 3:43 |
: Agree. Maybe Austin Jackson?
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| 3:44 |
: Really light. Unless there’s no “some stuff”.
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| 3:44 |
: J.D. Martinez is giving the Tigers a bit of extra unexpected flexibility
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| 3:44 |
: With JD Martinez and Torii Hunter hitting, and Rajai Davis around, I could see Jackson as available.
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| 3:44 |
: Drew to NYY is official, per Buster Olney.
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| 3:44 |
: Of course, it could also be JD Martinez going to Seattle.
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| 3:45 |
: He’ll play second, one would assume.
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| 3:45 |
if price to the tigers does that mean DD panicking looking at As? |
| 3:45 |
: Maybe panicking looking at his own rotation
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| 3:45 |
: Don’t think a contender trying to get better is panicking.
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| 3:46 |
Which writer is giggling the most whenever they read, “3-way”? I bet it’s Swydan |
| 3:46 |
: Have you met Eno Sarris?
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| 3:47 |
: There’s a fake Nightengale rumor about Price to Tigers and Zobrist to Pirates. Don’t buy it.
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| 3:47 |
: Seriously, people, just click on someone’s follower count to see if they’re real or not. The fakes have like 50 followers.
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| 3:47 |
: Trader Cherington has a nice ring to it.
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| 3:47 |
: Stephen Drew and Kendrys Morales combined: -1.2 WAR. Solid.
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| 3:48 |
Any news on Yasmani Grandal being removed minutes before the first pitch |
| 3:48 |
: Maybe he forgot his steroids?
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| 3:48 |
: Price to Tigers, per Rosenthal
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| 3:48 |
: (Just kidding, Yasmani. Don’t sue me!)
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| 3:48 |
: And real Rosenthal reports Tigers get Price.
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| 3:48 |
: Which means that Jeff and I will be signing off to write soon. Hope you like chatting, Paul
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| 3:49 |
: Word is the M’s are getting Austin Jackson?
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| 3:49 |
: Mike Salk says Mariners getting OF from Detroit, thinks its Austin jackson.
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| 3:50 |
Hey Jeff, where were the Tigers on your list of the teams to benefit most from acquiring Price? |
| 3:50 |
: I hope you like Tigers/A’s playoff series
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| 3:51 |
: Wel, Wiers will be happy, anyway.
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| 3:51 |
: I do like Tigers/A’s playoff series, actually.
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| 3:51 |
Any thoughts on which FAs fill the Red Sox rotation next season? They’ve ditched 4 of their 5 SP for this season and that leaves them with Buchholz and rookies… doesn’t seem like the recipe to contend. |
| 3:52 |
: I think let’s see first which prospects get the call and which do well when they do. Ranaudo is up first.
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| 3:52 |
What are the chances Lackey really plays for $500k next year? |
| 3:52 |
: Already said he’s going to
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| 3:53 |
: Did he? I dunno,if I was a betting man, I’d bet against it.
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| 3:53 |
So disappointed by the Pirates today…Feeling like a 3rd place finish now. Am I wrong? |
| 3:53 |
: Mariners talking about Denorfia in right. Saunders going away in a trade?
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| 3:53 |
: Or Saunders to center.
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| 3:53 |
They just announced David Price to Detroit on FSD without any movement to pull Austin out of the game… Seems a bit weird if he was part of the deal. |
| 3:53 |
: Right, if he was in deal, think he wouldn’t be playing stil.
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| 3:53 |
: You’re not wrong to be disapointed today, but let’s hold off on flushing the season.
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| 3:54 |
: And now Heyman says its Jackson and Smyly.
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| 3:54 |
: Heyman says Jackson and Smyly involved
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| 3:54 |
: Okay, Jeff, you and I are out of here. Let’s meet on email!
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| 3:54 |
: Have fun Paul.
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| 3:54 |
: Bye everybody!
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| 3:54 |
: Thanks guys!
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| 3:54 |
Rosenthal reported Lackey said he would honor next year’s contract. That doesn’t mean the Cards won’t extend him. |
| 3:55 |
: My thoughts exactly. Catch more flies with honey, etc.
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| 3:55 |
If it is Walker to TB, isn’t that a little light for Price? |
| 3:56 |
: I think it”s a little light for Seattle, who long coveted Price and stlll didn’t get him, but let’s wait until the deal is 100% done.
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| 3:56 |
How long before Amaro is fired? |
| 3:56 |
: Not sure he will be. Sorry.
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| 3:56 |
Is there a penalty on the books if an officially traded player plays for you before leaving? |
| 3:57 |
: I mean, that rulebook has a rule for everything, but that’d probably be tough to enforce.
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| 3:57 |
Will Alex Anthopoulos’ job be in jeopardy if he makes no improvements and the Blue Jays miss the playoffs? It’s been quite a while since they’ve contended this late in the season, you’d think he’d want to capitalize…? |
| 3:58 |
: I don’t think so. I think E5 getting hurt changed the equation for them.
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| 3:59 |
w/ Price & Lester gone. Any chance Hamels goes too? |
| 3:59 |
: Nope.
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| 4:00 |
: Rosenthal said no trades for Philly.
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| 4:00 |
: OK, sorry, was a bit tied up. Let’s move a little faster.
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| 4:01 |
I would imagine using a player not on your roster is cause for forfeit. |
| 4:01 |
: There’s all sorts of communication issues though. Not like the GM is sitting in the dugout when he makes the deal.
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| 4:02 |
Is the Stephen Drew trade just the Red Sox shedding salary? |
| 4:02 |
: I think it’s just telling him to go away. And making him play another position in the process. I think that’s a beautfiul thing.
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| 4:02 |
Smyly in TB a good fit/better fit than in Det? ROS improvement to be expected? |
| 4:02 |
: Both pitchers parks. I don’t think it’d demonstrably better for Smyly, no.
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| 4:03 |
Well, in the Tigers-White Sox game, Dombrowski just DID go into the dugout and pull Austin Jackson. |
| 4:03 |
: OK, statement retracted!
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| 4:03 |
Is Taijuan Walker part of the deal? |
| 4:03 |
: Unless I’m missing something, it looks like he was not in the trade.
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| 4:04 |
Looks like Walker is part of the deal |
| 4:04 |
Does everyone realize that we’ll know all of these things in like one hour? Who cares if Paul knows at 4pm ET if Taijuan Walker was in the deal, just hold your horses. |
| 4:04 |
: I mean, I’m with you, but I also want to know right this second.
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| 4:05 |
: CBS says no Walker.
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| 4:05 |
: Tigers get David Price
Rays get Drew Smyly & Nick Franklin Mariners get Austin Jackson |
| 4:05 |
Are the Rays really only getting Nick Franklin and Drew Smyly? That seems extremely light in comparison to the Cubs’ return for the Shark. |
| 4:06 |
: It does indeed. I mean, I like the idea of getting major leaguers instead of prospects, but I was expecting a better haul for Price. Dombrowski working miracles yet again.
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| 4:06 |
Bonifacio and James Russell to the Braves, what do you expect the return to be? |
| 4:06 |
: Not much.
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| 4:07 |
: I would guess an arm that the Cubs may be valuing more than the Braves are.
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| 4:07 |
lol that they keep calling Nick Franklin a “shortstop” prospect |
| 4:07 |
: Well the Rays job is to sell it. He’ll probably be at second base though. Doesn’t say much for Hak-Ju Lee.
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| 4:07 |
wait did this Boni and Russell deal actually happen? |
| 4:07 |
: Not sure, I’m chatting with you guys!
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| 4:07 |
IS the Red Sox fire sale Marlin-esque? Or is it something new. Something good? |
| 4:08 |
: The Red Sox had a LOT of guys whose contracts expired after this season. That makes it more of a yard sale, I think.
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| 4:08 |
This is a huge win for the Mariners with how big of an upgrade Jackson is over Jones and only having to give up Franklin to do it, no? |
| 4:08 |
: That’s how I’m reading it at first blush, ya.
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| 4:08 |
Any chance they just DFA Kelly Johnson right now? |
| 4:09 |
: I think there’s a good chance of that happening, but we’ll see. He’s not totally useless.
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| 4:09 |
Heyman just squashes the Walker rumor. |
| 4:09 |
: As in, quashes that he was dealt?
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| 4:10 |
: Looks like it.
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| 4:10 |
So you think Detroit will seek some waiver wire outfield depth after the move? After JD, Raj and Torii the next guy the have is Don Kelly to play outfield… |
| 4:10 |
: Yeah, well that’s the elephant in the room for Detroit now, but upgrading from Smyly to Price is probably worth the extra scrambling they’ll have to do in the outfield. Thanks, JD Martinez!
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| 4:10 |
Wonder if Jackson could play for Seattle tonight in Cleveland? |
| 4:11 |
: Not out of the realm of possibility, but my guess is he won’t be starting.
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| 4:11 |
As a Red Sox fan, should I be pissed that my team couldn’t come up with something better than Nick Franklin and Drew Smyly for David Price? |
| 4:12 |
: You mean for Lester? Keep in mind that Lester is a free agent and that Price isn’t.
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| 4:12 |
Heyman says the Yankees got Martin Prado |
| 4:12 |
: Oh, well now!
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| 4:12 |
Is it legal for AJackson to play for two teams in one day? |
| 4:13 |
: Yup!
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| 4:13 |
: Joel Youngblood. Such a classic name.
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| 4:13 |
Any potential waiver wire deals for the Sox at this point? Please tell me someone gets desperate and claims Buchholz. |
| 4:13 |
: Yeah, something tells me they’ll keep looking to move and/or shake.
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| 4:13 |
: I wouldn’t expect Buchholz to be dealt though. Can’t even imagine who would want him.
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| 4:13 |
Price got traded after all??? |
| 4:14 |
: He did. Just neighing.
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| 4:14 |
How is Franklin/Smyly better than Addison Russell? |
| 4:14 |
: I didn’t say it was, did I?
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| 4:14 |
Is James Jones a bench player now? |
| 4:14 |
: He was a bench player before too. He was just playing more than he should have been.
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| 4:14 |
Joel Sherman confirms NYY Prado |
| 4:15 |
Cosart to the Marlins |
| 4:15 |
: Good lord, couldn’t they have saved some of these deals for yesterday?
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| 4:15 |
No Paul how did the Rays say no to A’s offer but yes to this?? |
| 4:16 |
: Well, we can’t be sure that the Rays did say no, nor can we be sure that the A’s offered it up either.
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| 4:16 |
Did the Dodgers’ inaction cast a shadow over today’s trades? After Ned announced that neither Kemp nor any of the big prospects were moving, it seemed like all the deals came together pretty quickly. |
| 4:16 |
: I doubt it. If anything, I think Lester and Price did. Teams were waiting to see if they’d be available.
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| 4:16 |
Is A. Jackson even an upgrade for M’s in CF? Rays should have gotten way more for Price. |
| 4:16 |
: Uh, yes.
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| 4:17 |
: To the Jackson part.
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| 4:17 |
Did the Yankees get Martin Prado and Drew? |
| 4:17 |
: Looking that way.
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| 4:17 |
: Gives them some nice flexibility.
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| 4:18 |
: They’ll be able to move Ichiro to the bench. That’s nice. Roberts too.
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| 4:18 |
Is Franklin gonna start right away – at 2B and Zobrist moves to OF? |
| 4:18 |
: I would guess Zobrist starts to see more time at shortstop and in the outfield, yes.
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| 4:18 |
Shouldn’t the Rays have gotten more for Price? |
| 4:18 |
: I think so. They must be very high on Franklin and Smyly.
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| 4:19 |
I love that the Marlins were in on Lackey and Lester and wind up with Cosart. |
| 4:19 |
: Well, it’s the Marlins’ job to call on everyone. But yes, Cosart does seem more their speed.
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| 4:20 |
Damn. Peter O’Brien for Prado |
| 4:20 |
: Nice upside play for the Dbacks, who never had a use for Prado, not even on the day they acquired him.
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| 4:20 |
DET is now the favorite. |
| 4:20 |
: Sorry, but no. I think Oakland is still the favorite.
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| 4:20 |
sounds like Cosart for Marisnick |
| 4:21 |
: If that is indeed the deal, then I like this for the Marlins a lot. Marisnick was never going to crack the Yelich-Stanton-the other guy who I can’t think of right now Marlins’ outfield.
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| 4:21 |
How bad does the AZ Upton trade look now? |
| 4:22 |
: No worse than it did on the day it was made, and it looked awful that day.
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| 4:22 |
What could the Reds have gotten for Latos? |
| 4:22 |
: Probably not a ton, given his injury history.
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| 4:22 |
Marcell Ozuna |
| 4:22 |
: Yes, there it is. My college roomate, if he read this, would kill me. He is infatuated with Ozuna.
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| 4:22 |
: And he’s a Mets fan.
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| 4:22 |
Dbacks turn Upton into Prado and Prado into.. something worse. Is it worse to be non-active (Phillies,Rockies, etc.) or active and bad? |
| 4:23 |
: The Dbacks can’t think like that. They have to move forward. If they decided they didn’t need Prado next year, then it’s best to get what they can get for him now.
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| 4:23 |
no its cosart and enrique hernandez for moran, marisnick, and a comp pick |
| 4:23 |
: Oh, that changes things a little (looks up enrique hernandez)
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| 4:24 |
: Who is actually a nice little player. And has been playing center, making him a nice fourth outfield candidate.
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| 4:25 |
: Losing Moran is the big part of the deal though.
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| 4:25 |
: Looks like a win-win.
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| 4:25 |
Does the Mariners trading up Denorfia and Jackson improve them more than the As acquiring up Lester? |
| 4:25 |
: Maybe, but only because the A’s rotation was already stacked.
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| 4:25 |
Cosart isnt very good though? |
| 4:26 |
: He’s a league average starter that is cheap. And the Marlins needed one more starter. And who knows, with a better team in front of him…
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| 4:26 |
Rosenthal reporting Rays also get Willy Adames from Tigers |
| 4:27 |
: Well, OK, that’s a little better.
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| 4:27 |
Is Lindor getting called up imminently? |
| 4:27 |
: I wouldn’t count on it. I would hope so, but the Indians may want to play games with his service time clock.
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| 4:27 |
Rosenthal says Rays also get Willy Adames (18 yo SS prospect) from Tigers |
| 4:28 |
: He’s 18 and already playing in A ball, so that’s promising, and he has hit well there as well. Obviously a ways away though.
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| 4:28 |
Cosart has a career 14.3% K% and a 11.4% BB%. Hard to stay league-average for long with those numbers. |
| 4:29 |
: Fair, but he is much improved this year. K%-BB% went up 5%. And he gets a lot of ground balls.
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| 4:29 |
Looks like Adames is at least two years away from being two years away |
| 4:29 |
: Maybe not that far, but yeah, he won’t be in Tampa anytime soon.
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| 4:29 |
So…Bonifacio gone. Does this mean we see Baez soon? |
| 4:29 |
: No, not necessarily.
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| 4:30 |
Willy A is a wizard in the field. Youngest starter in the midwest league. Hitting well. |
| 4:30 |
Nap and Craig seem redundant. Or is it Cespedes /Craig that are? Craig needs to play 1B or LF in Fenway? |
| 4:30 |
: Well, someone is going to be redundant of the three of them unless the Sox are planning on putting Cespedes and/or Victorino in center and making Bradley the fourth OF, but let’s give them a day or two to sort that out.
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| 4:31 |
The Tigers window is going to close very quickly after this year. Will they try to flip Price in the offseason, or hold onto him as Scherzer’s replacement? |
| 4:31 |
: I doubt they will flip him in the offseason.
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| 4:31 |
What’s the record for most IFers with a sub-.700 OPS on a single team, and have the Yankees now surpassed it? |
| 4:31 |
: Ryan is getting snippy! Slow down, Ryan. Everything’s gonna be alright.
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| 4:31 |
Yesterday I was thinking this trade deadline would be a snoozefest to end all snoozefests. Now I’m pretty much worthless at work because I’m so caught up in all the moves. |
| 4:32 |
: Me too! I was just thinking that I hadn’t contributed a lick to our trade deadline coverage. And now two posts and a chat today. Good thing my parents took my son out for the day!
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| 4:32 |
Chances Ryan Howard gets moved in a waiver trade? |
| 4:32 |
: I’m going to say 0 percent.
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| 4:32 |
The Yankees are putting together a brilliant team for MLB 2K10. |
| 4:32 |
: Burn.
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| 4:33 |
If Benoit wasn’t shipped out today, does he make for a likely waiver trade in August? |
| 4:34 |
: I would think so. One, because it makes sense. Two, because I want to start reading, “SV: Quackenbush” in box scores.
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| 4:34 |
So in the Price deal, Jack Z did better than Andrew Friedman? Am I in the matrix or something? |
| 4:34 |
: Which pill did you take?
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| 4:34 |
How bad does doing nothing look for the Jays today? |
| 4:35 |
: Bad, but they’re still right in it, and can make more moves in August if need be.
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| 4:35 |
I think it might be best to go on a bike ride or something and check back on all of these deals tomorrow. |
| 4:35 |
: Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too. I took my daughter for a walk right before this chat, and came home thinking we’d cruise through the deadline. Then all hell broke loose.
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| 4:35 |
Does Moran moving surprise you? I always thought he was a little overrated, but a top 10 draft pick moving after one year for a league-average pitcher – interesting. |
| 4:36 |
: It does, frankly. I know he hasn’t hit as well this year, but he looked like he could be a solid building block at third. Maybe they’re really sold on McGehee long term?
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| 4:36 |
Release the Quackenbush |
| 4:36 |
: Now that’s funny.
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| 4:36 |
Chances of Lester being back with Sox next year? |
| 4:37 |
: 20-40% ???
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| 4:37 |
Paul, are you surprised that no closer was traded today? |
| 4:37 |
: A little, ya.
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| 4:37 |
Chance the Sox sign Max Scherzer? |
| 4:37 |
: Probably less than them signing Lester.
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| 4:37 |
Gotta say, that 0% on potential Howard seems a little high. |
| 4:37 |
: My bad, my bad.
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| 4:38 |
So the Reds didn’t trade any of their starters– shouldn’t they at least have tried to sell high on Simon? |
| 4:38 |
: Yes, but the Reds never do anything.
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| 4:38 |
Does the Addison Russell trade look foolish for the As now? |
| 4:38 |
: Not sure why you would say that.
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| 4:38 |
I spent much of this week refreshing mlbtr, and now I’m just a pile of confusion. That Lestimate seems high by the way, people always talk about going back, and then they get a taste of life on other teams, and then someone offers them gobbles and gobbles of dollars. |
| 4:39 |
: As I said in my piece, I think the A’s won’t sign him, so the exclusive window won’t mean as much, but with no draft pick comp, more teams are going to be in on him. But most teams don’t have Boston’s $$, and Lester already has a built in comfort in Boston.
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| 4:39 |
Do you think Greinke opts out? |
| 4:40 |
: If he’s healthy and performing well, absolutely.
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| 4:40 |
One last deal I’m hearing about – it seems that NotGraphs has been traded to FoxSports and will be renamed NotFox. Will expand into politics and take on MSNBC. |
| 4:40 |
: What’d we get back?
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| 4:40 |
Might have been some kind of understanding with Lester – trading him does him a big favor by releasing him from the tyranny of the qualifying offer. Boston trading him made him a lot of money. |
| 4:40 |
: Especially if Oakland goes deep into the playoffs.
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| 4:41 |
Obligatory question from a Royals fan: should I be disappointed they didn’t add somebody, relieved that Dayton Moore didn’t overpay for a marginal upgrade, or angry that they didn’t accept their fate and trade Shields (and/or others) in a seller’s market? |
| 4:41 |
: Both?
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| 4:41 |
Was this really what the Rays wanted? Seems like they got the short end of the deal here |
| 4:42 |
: I hope it is what they wanted, since they did it. It’s certainly not going to help ticket sales or their reputation in the Tampa/St Pete area.
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| 4:42 |
If the A’s don’t win world series, can you grade this season as an F? |
| 4:42 |
: Nope. I like to see them going for it.
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| 4:43 |
Brian Roberts to be DFA’d. Think he goes back to Baltimore? |
| 4:43 |
: That’d be interesting. Certainly Schoop hasn’t locked that job down yet.
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| 4:43 |
Does the Houston deal put the fans back on Luhnow’s side again? |
| 4:43 |
: I sincerely doubt it.
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| 4:44 |
I’m hearing in the NotGraphs deal there are some stipulations: Cistulli has to return to Europe never to return, and Dayn Perry must wear a muzzle if he attends any meetings in person. Looks like the European Union is fighting the deal though. |
| 4:44 |
: As well they should. No man can muzzle Dayn Perry!
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| 4:44 |
How bad are the “insiders” at figuring out who’s going where ? |
| 4:44 |
: Even someone with team contacts is working off of limited information.
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| 4:44 |
Is Stephen Drew really an upgrade over Roberts??? |
| 4:45 |
: Yeah. Roberts wasn’t hitting or fielding well. Drew fields well, and has been hitting better in the second half.
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| 4:45 |
Oakland, Detroit or the field to rep the AL in the WS? |
| 4:45 |
: I mean the smart money is usually on the field, but I’m not smart so I’ll say Oakland.
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| 4:46 |
Surprising to see Texas not unload anyone else at the deadline, seemed like Rios would have been packing his bags or is JD just hoping for a revival with health next year? |
| 4:46 |
: I think Rios is a prime candidate to be moved in August.
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| 4:46 |
When the Angels and Orioles are playing the ALCS we are going to remember this as being the most silly of afternoons. |
| 4:46 |
: I’d be surprised if neither the A’s nor the Tigers made the ALCS.
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| 4:46 |
Any chance the Red Sox just shut down Craig for the season and let his foot heal 100%? |
| 4:46 |
: Sure, there’s definitely a chance.
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| 4:47 |
Given that the Giants are pot committed at this point, did you expect to see a little more from them? |
| 4:47 |
: I’m not sure that I would say the Giants are pot committed. They are just as committed as they are in any other year.
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| 4:47 |
If it took that little to get Prado, why weren’t the Nationals in on him? |
| 4:48 |
: Who says they weren’t? Maybe they really preferred Cabrera.
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| 4:48 |
: Also, Cabrera is a free agent at the end of the season and Prado isn’t, and that flexibility likely played a role.
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| 4:48 |
What does StL OF rotation look like now? |
| 4:49 |
: Holliday-Jay/Bourjos-Taveras, with Grichuck getting in where he fits in.
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| 4:49 |
Are the Tigers done? Do you see any likely August moves? |
| 4:50 |
: I would expect the Tigers to be scouring for an outfield upgrade. Preferably someone who hits right-handed pitchers well, to pair with Rajai Davis.
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| 4:50 |
Is Verlander now more or less the 5th starter in Detroit? |
| 4:50 |
: That’s probably a bit extreme.
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| 4:50 |
What’s more likely to you; Lester and Cespedes both sign with Boston long term next season, or Lester goes as a FA to another team, and Cespedes leaves as a FA after 2015? |
| 4:50 |
: You would have to say that the latter is more likely because I don’t think the Sox will necessarily want Cespedes past next season, but there is a chance for each scenario.
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| 4:51 |
Seth Smith? |
| 4:51 |
: Smith would be a marvelous fit if the Tigers want him to play center. That’s probably not the greatest idea, but he’d at least help at the dish.
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| 4:51 |
The Tigers rotation now consists of the last 3 AL Cy Young winners and 4 first round picks. Seems noteworthy. |
| 4:51 |
: And as such, it has been noted!
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| 4:51 |
Why didn’t LAD make any moves, they have pieces, they have money…they obviously have some albatross contracts they need to unload as well, but still? Or do they think they own the Giants so no need? |
| 4:52 |
: They didn’t need to make a move, is probably why.
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| 4:52 |
Paul what happens to me this year am I relevant again? |
| 4:52 |
: I would expect you to work your way back into the rotation if you stay healthy.
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| 4:52 |
While other teams are adding Price, Lester, Shark, do you like the Orioles trading ERod for 2 months of Andrew Miller? |
| 4:53 |
: It’s interesting. It seems like a lot for Miller, but Rodriguez hasn’t been as good this year. I wrote it up for InstaGraphs, if you’d like a more thorough but still hot take.
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| 4:53 |
Do the Sox cut Mike Carp at this point? |
| 4:53 |
: I think they’ll pump him through waivers and try to find him a home, sure.
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| 4:54 |
: Dave’s take on the Tigers getting Price is now live:
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| 4:54 |
But yeah, let’s say your managing the Tigers and Verlander hasn’t improved (or gotten worse), and it’s time to start him or Porcello in a playoff game. Who do you choose? I probably still choose Verlander, but with a super short leash. Porcello seems like the better pitcher right now, is the thing. If I’m the Tigers I might come up with a reason to DL him to see if some rest lets him get back on track. |
| 4:55 |
: I think the way this will work is that the Tigers will either leave Porcello off the team for the LDS round, or move him to the bullpen, and then they’ll have a decision to make for the LCS.
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| 4:55 |
So who is out of a job in Seattle when A-Jax arrives and Saunders is back…will the futile attempts of playing DHs in the field finally stop? |
| 4:55 |
: I think James Jones goes back to a utility role for starters.
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| 4:55 |
Verlander seems potential |
| 4:55 |
are all the deals done? |
| 4:55 |
: For today, they should be. We’re nearly an hour past the trade deadline.
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| 4:56 |
If salary was the big issue for Price as Dave thinks it is, why didn’t a big market team swoop in, offer a comparable return, and flip Price by taking on his salary for a lot more in return. |
| 4:56 |
: Things don’t always work like that.
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| 4:56 |
Am I back at SS the rest of the way? |
| 4:56 |
: You &*&^%^#%& better be!
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| 4:56 |
Biggest/most surprising non-moves? |
| 4:57 |
: I’m a little surprised the Blue Jays did nothing. I’m a little surprised that the Pirates and Brewers did nothing. I’m a little surprised the Rangers did nothing. I’m not surprised, but find it hilarious, that the Mets did nothing.
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| 4:57 |
Any comments on Troy Tulowitzki? Maybe in the offseason? |
| 4:58 |
: I don’t think so. It would take a team with a big payroll, but also a ton of prospects, one that includes a shortstop of the future, to make that deal. How many teams like that out there? Maybe the Cubs. Maybe the Sox.
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| 4:58 |
Foolish for Marlins to give up Marisnick? |
| 4:58 |
: No, I don’t think so.
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| 4:58 |
What did you want the Mets to do? |
| 4:59 |
: Trade Colon. Assuming Harvey is back and Thor and/or Montero graduates, they don’t need him at all.
|
| 4:59 |
Should I be sobbing into my Primanti Brothers sandwich? |
| 4:59 |
: Nope, because they didn’t make any bad trades either.
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| 4:59 |
Apparently the Pirates got Zobrist. So they did so something |
| 4:59 |
: Wait, seriously? Checking.
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| 5:00 |
Zobrist trade is a HOAX |
| 5:00 |
: OK, thanks. I don’t see that anwhere.
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| 5:00 |
No the Pirates GM just said they didn’t make any deals. |
| 5:00 |
Also the Brewers got Perra, which isn’t nothing. |
| 5:00 |
: Right, my fault. I like Parra a lot.
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| 5:01 |
Just saw a retweet from Wnedy Thurm that has an excellent Amaro quote. ‘Amaro said Phillies did not ask for “top prospects.” Criticized other GM’s for not being aggressive enough.’ I guess in a world where everyone thinks like Amaro his strategies are perfect. |
| 5:01 |
: Beautiful.
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| 5:01 |
How are YOU Paul? |
| 5:01 |
: Tired. I think that’s gonna do it, folks. Thanks, as always, for hanging out with us this afternoon.
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Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
And of course the only good trade Boston makes comes at the expense of the Orioles. *sigh*