2022 ZiPS Projections: Baltimore Orioles
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Baltimore Orioles.
Batters
The history of the post-Earl Weaver Orioles has not been a happy one. Over his first stint with Baltimore, from 1968 to ’82, they were the winningest team in baseball, with 1,570 total wins, and averaged four wins per season more than the next-best team, the Reds, during that stretch. At no time during this era did the O’s finish below .500, and that even leaves out their last World Series championship in 1983. Weaver wasn’t just one of the best managers in baseball, but a very modern manager who used what analytics were available at the time.
But the failure of the O’s isn’t just a failure of managing. Weaver was great, but the team’s assembly line of young talent was a pivotal piece to the puzzle. While there are certainly some notable successes, the Orioles simply haven’t produced that much talent over the last 20–30 years. It certainly didn’t help that they placed a low priority on finding talent in Latin America for a long time, depriving them of a source that pretty much everyone else in baseball happily accessed.
You see those problems when you look at this offense. For a team rebuilding since mid-2018, the collection of offensive talent in the majors and high minors just isn’t all that impressive. The O’s have thrown a lot at the wall, but they have mostly ended up, over the last three years, with a lot of below-average-but-above-replacement hitters. Cedric Mullins appears to be working out, but they mostly seem to find useful players for the back of the 26-man roster or emergency Triple-A options, like Anthony Santander and DJ Stewart, but who have little real upside. Sadly, this even goes for Ryan Mountcastle to a degree; 33 homers was an impressive tally, but it’s not all that exciting for a first baseman who isn’t doing much else. Adley Rutschman looks terrific, but how much player development credit should you really get for drafting the consensus best college prospect with the first pick in the draft? If you won your fantasy league in 2015, I doubt you bragged about how clever you were to draft Mike Trout with the first pick.
Looking at the projections for the lineup, where is the likely source of upside outside of Rutschman and Mullins? There are simply a lot of players already in what should be their prime years who you hope to have a league-average season. Baltimore doesn’t look at all like a team ready to pounce like the 2015 Cubs or Astros, the 2018 Braves, or the 2020 White Sox. Now, Mike Elias took over a desolate, dysfunctional organization, and you can’t flip a switch and turn on an entire scouting operation in Latin America, but at some point, the O’s can’t win if they develop as many new players over five years than the Rays seem to do every year or two.
Despite the doom and gloom, there are some positives here. ZiPS likes Jordan Westburg as much as Steamer did and sees him becoming a league-average player at shortstop fairly quickly. It also likes Gunnar Henderson quite a bit as well, seeing his power develop very soon. Based on last year’s career projections, both are likely to rank in the ZiPS Top 100 prospects, as will Rutschman and one pitcher. It just feels like the O’s should be farther along right now.
Pitchers
On offense, at least, the Orioles have been able to corral a decent quantity of one-to-two WAR hitters. On the pitching staff? Not so much. It’s not a good sign when the fourth-highest WAR in a list of projects was a fellow that was designated for assignment a few months before (César Valdez).
I’m a fan of John Means, but he’s not particularly young and already in his arbitration years, so I expect him to be pitching in another uniform by the time the Orioles are actually good. ZiPS was a bit disappointed in the small regressions in his velocity and swinging-strike rate and doesn’t see the same strikeout upside that it did a year ago. Speaking of disappointments, ZiPS would likely have been happier if the Orioles couldn’t cross all the t’s and dot all the i’s in the last-minute signing of Jordan Lyles. Hopefully, the Orioles have abducted whoever was on the Brewers who had the magic formula for getting performance out of him.
Grayson Rodriguez was quite dominant across two levels in 2021, and the projections suggest a pitcher who could be a no. 3 starter in the majors right now. The O’s would be silly to use him that way in 2022, as letting him finish honing his impressive repertoire in the high minors is more important. One good indicator for his future is a lack of significant platoon split, for which he can likely give a lot of thanks to his changeup’s screwball-esque movement. Minor league translations can’t scout, but a heavy platoon split, especially for someone who will be used as a starter, can be a statistical implication of something missing from their toolkit.
ZiPS is less excited by D.L. Hall, but it’s not hard to understand the projection system’s lack of enthusiasm: he missed half the season in 2021, and unlike Rodriguez, he has significant control issues. Even with the disabled list being changed to the injured list, I can’t help but think a pitcher going by D.L. is really taunting the Fates.
From a developmental standpoint, I think Baltimore was arguably hurt more by the loss of 2020 than any other team. Everyone missed out, but the O’s had an impressive stable of pitching in the high minors, none particularly young or elite, that they would have liked to see in Triple-A and Double-A and who just needed the innings. Combined with decidedly mixed results, I’m not sure we know much more about the futures of Zac Lowther, Keegan Akin, or Dean Kremer than we did two years.
It remains to be seen how Drew Rom’s ho-hum velocity plays at Triple-A — the path of a young crafty veteran lefty prospect is a craggy one — but ZiPS is at least intrigued for the moment.
The O’s are almost certainly going to be the last-place team in the American League East in 2022. The real test will be if they are at least an interesting cellar dweller.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cedric Mullins | L | 27 | CF | 658 | 593 | 83 | 157 | 30 | 6 | 24 | 62 | 50 | 123 | 27 | 7 |
| Adley Rutschman | B | 24 | C | 556 | 485 | 77 | 128 | 23 | 2 | 21 | 69 | 58 | 99 | 2 | 2 |
| Trey Mancini | R | 30 | 1B | 626 | 566 | 82 | 154 | 33 | 2 | 27 | 85 | 49 | 136 | 0 | 0 |
| Austin Hays | R | 26 | LF | 524 | 487 | 71 | 126 | 26 | 3 | 23 | 73 | 26 | 111 | 6 | 4 |
| Ryan Mountcastle | R | 25 | 1B | 585 | 541 | 74 | 145 | 26 | 2 | 29 | 93 | 34 | 151 | 3 | 2 |
| Jordan Westburg | R | 23 | SS | 524 | 468 | 74 | 114 | 21 | 3 | 14 | 61 | 39 | 127 | 9 | 2 |
| Anthony Santander | B | 27 | RF | 530 | 495 | 63 | 128 | 30 | 1 | 23 | 72 | 26 | 111 | 2 | 2 |
| Ramón Urías | R | 28 | SS | 407 | 365 | 45 | 92 | 22 | 0 | 11 | 46 | 33 | 98 | 2 | 2 |
| Rougned Odor | L | 28 | 2B | 456 | 409 | 59 | 87 | 20 | 1 | 23 | 66 | 36 | 131 | 4 | 5 |
| Patrick Dorrian | L | 26 | 3B | 470 | 423 | 54 | 91 | 18 | 2 | 15 | 52 | 41 | 146 | 4 | 2 |
| Brett Cumberland | B | 27 | C | 316 | 267 | 34 | 49 | 9 | 0 | 11 | 27 | 31 | 107 | 0 | 0 |
| Greg Cullen | L | 25 | 2B | 423 | 370 | 48 | 84 | 15 | 3 | 8 | 32 | 42 | 97 | 1 | 3 |
| Rylan Bannon | R | 26 | 3B | 446 | 395 | 46 | 83 | 18 | 2 | 17 | 51 | 43 | 104 | 7 | 2 |
| Gunnar Henderson | L | 21 | SS | 468 | 424 | 55 | 90 | 20 | 2 | 16 | 64 | 36 | 149 | 9 | 1 |
| Ryan McKenna | R | 25 | CF | 440 | 388 | 49 | 87 | 16 | 3 | 13 | 45 | 42 | 133 | 10 | 6 |
| Terrin Vavra | L | 25 | 2B | 339 | 299 | 39 | 73 | 14 | 2 | 7 | 27 | 33 | 71 | 8 | 4 |
| Kyle Stowers | L | 24 | RF | 492 | 442 | 60 | 103 | 19 | 1 | 22 | 64 | 43 | 163 | 5 | 2 |
| Mason McCoy | R | 27 | SS | 508 | 470 | 50 | 105 | 18 | 5 | 8 | 39 | 31 | 137 | 10 | 2 |
| DJ Stewart | L | 28 | LF | 382 | 329 | 48 | 74 | 16 | 1 | 16 | 51 | 45 | 97 | 3 | 2 |
| Jorge Mateo | R | 27 | SS | 435 | 412 | 46 | 98 | 20 | 7 | 10 | 39 | 17 | 120 | 17 | 8 |
| Maverick Handley | R | 24 | C | 228 | 206 | 25 | 35 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 17 | 17 | 75 | 7 | 1 |
| Joseph Ortiz | R | 23 | SS | 194 | 179 | 20 | 41 | 7 | 1 | 4 | 15 | 13 | 38 | 3 | 0 |
| J.D. Mundy | L | 24 | 1B | 336 | 308 | 45 | 73 | 17 | 0 | 13 | 53 | 26 | 82 | 1 | 0 |
| Kelvin Gutierrez | R | 27 | 3B | 442 | 409 | 41 | 96 | 13 | 3 | 9 | 40 | 27 | 108 | 5 | 2 |
| Austin Wynns | R | 31 | C | 248 | 227 | 28 | 53 | 6 | 0 | 6 | 24 | 16 | 50 | 1 | 0 |
| Zach Watson | R | 25 | CF | 409 | 384 | 41 | 82 | 14 | 2 | 17 | 53 | 15 | 120 | 12 | 3 |
| Nick Ciuffo | L | 27 | C | 154 | 141 | 14 | 29 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 15 | 10 | 51 | 1 | 0 |
| Cadyn Grenier | R | 25 | SS | 453 | 404 | 51 | 78 | 16 | 2 | 9 | 37 | 39 | 153 | 7 | 3 |
| Maikel Franco | R | 29 | 3B | 451 | 417 | 41 | 100 | 22 | 0 | 16 | 55 | 28 | 67 | 0 | 0 |
| Tyler Nevin | R | 25 | 1B | 495 | 446 | 56 | 105 | 21 | 1 | 16 | 54 | 39 | 108 | 2 | 1 |
| Chris Shaw | L | 28 | LF | 422 | 386 | 51 | 90 | 20 | 2 | 19 | 59 | 29 | 129 | 1 | 1 |
| Johnny Rizer | L | 25 | CF | 395 | 372 | 44 | 88 | 14 | 2 | 10 | 41 | 17 | 100 | 8 | 3 |
| Jahmai Jones | R | 24 | 2B | 460 | 417 | 49 | 94 | 16 | 3 | 13 | 43 | 35 | 120 | 9 | 5 |
| Pat Valaika | R | 29 | 2B | 390 | 366 | 36 | 86 | 14 | 0 | 11 | 42 | 19 | 98 | 1 | 2 |
| Lucius Fox | B | 24 | 2B | 383 | 339 | 44 | 71 | 15 | 3 | 6 | 29 | 38 | 103 | 21 | 6 |
| Seth Mejias-Brean | R | 31 | LF | 364 | 337 | 39 | 80 | 12 | 2 | 9 | 36 | 24 | 81 | 4 | 2 |
| Richie Martin | R | 27 | SS | 254 | 230 | 22 | 50 | 8 | 2 | 4 | 17 | 16 | 64 | 6 | 4 |
| Stevie Wilkerson | B | 30 | 2B | 274 | 249 | 26 | 54 | 12 | 1 | 6 | 19 | 19 | 82 | 2 | 2 |
| Andrew Daschbach | R | 24 | 1B | 410 | 370 | 45 | 77 | 15 | 1 | 13 | 42 | 28 | 141 | 1 | 0 |
| Robert Neustrom | L | 25 | LF | 476 | 435 | 57 | 100 | 24 | 2 | 13 | 54 | 35 | 111 | 6 | 2 |
| Ramon Rodriguez | R | 23 | C | 215 | 203 | 25 | 47 | 8 | 0 | 6 | 21 | 9 | 41 | 0 | 0 |
| Cody Roberts | R | 26 | C | 188 | 171 | 19 | 34 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 15 | 14 | 59 | 0 | 0 |
| Doran Turchin | R | 24 | RF | 339 | 304 | 31 | 57 | 13 | 1 | 10 | 30 | 26 | 122 | 5 | 2 |
| Yusniel Diaz | R | 25 | RF | 320 | 291 | 33 | 58 | 11 | 2 | 8 | 31 | 24 | 98 | 2 | 4 |
| Toby Welk | R | 25 | 3B | 417 | 377 | 44 | 79 | 15 | 2 | 10 | 36 | 28 | 105 | 5 | 2 |
| Ryne Ogren | R | 25 | C | 314 | 287 | 31 | 56 | 10 | 1 | 4 | 22 | 19 | 77 | 2 | 1 |
| Shayne Fontana | L | 25 | LF | 371 | 334 | 39 | 67 | 12 | 3 | 9 | 28 | 31 | 94 | 5 | 3 |
| Ryan Ripken | L | 28 | 1B | 245 | 232 | 20 | 42 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 16 | 10 | 77 | 1 | 0 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cedric Mullins | .265 | .326 | .457 | 110 | .192 | .298 | 5.7 | 7 | 3.6 | Johnny Damon |
| Adley Rutschman | .264 | .347 | .449 | 115 | .186 | .293 | 5.7 | 2 | 3.3 | Bill Freehan |
| Trey Mancini | .272 | .337 | .481 | 119 | .208 | .315 | 6.0 | -4 | 1.7 | Jeff Conine |
| Austin Hays | .259 | .305 | .466 | 106 | .207 | .292 | 5.1 | 2 | 1.3 | Wes Chamberlain |
| Ryan Mountcastle | .268 | .313 | .484 | 112 | .216 | .321 | 5.6 | -1 | 1.3 | Wil Cordero |
| Jordan Westburg | .244 | .312 | .391 | 90 | .147 | .306 | 4.5 | -1 | 1.2 | Jason Donald |
| Anthony Santander | .259 | .299 | .463 | 103 | .204 | .291 | 5.0 | 3 | 1.1 | Mark Ryal |
| Ramón Urías | .252 | .325 | .403 | 97 | .151 | .316 | 4.7 | -3 | 1.0 | Brendan Harris |
| Rougned Odor | .213 | .288 | .435 | 93 | .222 | .251 | 4.1 | 0 | 0.8 | Todd Carey |
| Patrick Dorrian | .215 | .288 | .374 | 78 | .158 | .290 | 3.7 | 6 | 0.7 | Craig Kuzmic |
| Brett Cumberland | .184 | .307 | .341 | 77 | .157 | .255 | 3.5 | 2 | 0.7 | Jeff Ontiveros |
| Greg Cullen | .227 | .322 | .349 | 83 | .122 | .287 | 3.8 | 1 | 0.6 | Chris Lombardozzi |
| Rylan Bannon | .210 | .292 | .395 | 85 | .185 | .241 | 4.0 | 0 | 0.5 | Scott White |
| Gunnar Henderson | .212 | .275 | .382 | 77 | .170 | .286 | 3.8 | 0 | 0.5 | Giomar Guevara |
| Ryan McKenna | .224 | .305 | .381 | 86 | .157 | .306 | 4.0 | 0 | 0.5 | Xavier Paul |
| Terrin Vavra | .244 | .320 | .375 | 89 | .130 | .299 | 4.3 | -2 | 0.4 | Ernest Riles |
| Kyle Stowers | .233 | .304 | .430 | 97 | .197 | .315 | 4.6 | -2 | 0.4 | Rick Sofield |
| Mason McCoy | .223 | .271 | .334 | 64 | .111 | .298 | 3.3 | 8 | 0.4 | Mike Ramsey |
| DJ Stewart | .225 | .325 | .426 | 102 | .201 | .269 | 4.8 | -4 | 0.3 | Pat Brady |
| Jorge Mateo | .238 | .274 | .393 | 79 | .155 | .312 | 3.8 | 0 | 0.3 | Luis Bolivar |
| Maverick Handley | .170 | .246 | .262 | 39 | .092 | .244 | 2.3 | 10 | 0.3 | Dave Liddell |
| Joseph Ortiz | .229 | .289 | .346 | 72 | .117 | .270 | 3.7 | 1 | 0.2 | Kevin Perkins |
| J.D. Mundy | .237 | .301 | .419 | 93 | .182 | .282 | 4.5 | 0 | 0.2 | Adam LaRoche |
| Kelvin Gutierrez | .235 | .287 | .347 | 72 | .112 | .298 | 3.5 | 3 | 0.1 | Mendy Lopez 로페즈 |
| Austin Wynns | .233 | .289 | .339 | 71 | .106 | .275 | 3.5 | 0 | 0.1 | Chris Ashby |
| Zach Watson | .214 | .249 | .393 | 71 | .180 | .263 | 3.5 | 3 | 0.1 | Dan Phillips |
| Nick Ciuffo | .206 | .255 | .340 | 60 | .135 | .291 | 3.0 | 2 | 0.1 | Steve Swisher |
| Cadyn Grenier | .193 | .274 | .309 | 59 | .116 | .285 | 2.9 | 6 | 0.1 | Brett King |
| Maikel Franco | .240 | .288 | .408 | 87 | .168 | .251 | 4.2 | -4 | 0.0 | Pete Rose Jr. |
| Tyler Nevin | .235 | .301 | .395 | 87 | .159 | .276 | 4.2 | 1 | 0.0 | Ryan Jones |
| Chris Shaw | .233 | .294 | .443 | 97 | .210 | .298 | 4.6 | -6 | -0.1 | Dan Briggs |
| Johnny Rizer | .237 | .277 | .366 | 73 | .129 | .298 | 3.6 | 0 | -0.1 | Tommy Winrow |
| Jahmai Jones | .225 | .288 | .372 | 78 | .146 | .285 | 3.7 | -3 | -0.2 | Doug Saunders |
| Pat Valaika | .235 | .272 | .363 | 71 | .128 | .292 | 3.4 | 1 | -0.2 | John Hotchkiss |
| Lucius Fox | .209 | .296 | .324 | 69 | .115 | .283 | 3.6 | -2 | -0.2 | Rod Smith |
| Seth Mejias-Brean | .237 | .291 | .365 | 77 | .128 | .287 | 3.8 | 1 | -0.4 | Marlin McPhail |
| Richie Martin | .217 | .282 | .322 | 64 | .104 | .284 | 3.0 | -2 | -0.4 | Jason Bowers |
| Stevie Wilkerson | .217 | .278 | .345 | 69 | .129 | .298 | 3.2 | -1 | -0.4 | Trace Coquillette |
| Andrew Daschbach | .208 | .281 | .359 | 73 | .151 | .296 | 3.5 | 4 | -0.4 | John Hanley |
| Robert Neustrom | .230 | .289 | .384 | 81 | .154 | .280 | 3.9 | -2 | -0.5 | David Murphy |
| Ramon Rodriguez | .232 | .266 | .360 | 68 | .128 | .263 | 3.4 | -5 | -0.5 | Hector Kuilan |
| Cody Roberts | .199 | .261 | .287 | 49 | .088 | .284 | 2.5 | -4 | -0.8 | Matt Garrick |
| Doran Turchin | .188 | .263 | .336 | 62 | .148 | .273 | 3.0 | 0 | -1.0 | Matt Sachse |
| Yusniel Diaz | .199 | .266 | .333 | 62 | .134 | .270 | 2.8 | -1 | -1.2 | Chad Alexander |
| Toby Welk | .210 | .271 | .340 | 65 | .130 | .263 | 3.2 | -7 | -1.3 | Ryan Stegall |
| Ryne Ogren | .195 | .253 | .279 | 45 | .084 | .252 | 2.4 | -5 | -1.3 | Jose Molina |
| Shayne Fontana | .201 | .273 | .335 | 65 | .135 | .251 | 3.1 | -5 | -1.5 | Randy Rigsby |
| Ryan Ripken | .181 | .217 | .259 | 29 | .078 | .257 | 1.9 | 1 | -1.8 | Chris Tremie |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| John Means | L | 29 | 11 | 10 | 4.35 | 27 | 27 | 147.0 | 139 | 71 | 29 | 34 | 132 | 4.74 |
| Grayson Rodriguez | R | 22 | 6 | 6 | 4.59 | 24 | 24 | 98.0 | 92 | 50 | 15 | 37 | 101 | 4.39 |
| Drew Rom | L | 22 | 6 | 6 | 4.85 | 24 | 20 | 104.0 | 112 | 56 | 15 | 35 | 80 | 4.67 |
| César Valdez | R | 37 | 4 | 4 | 4.34 | 34 | 7 | 74.7 | 79 | 36 | 11 | 19 | 63 | 4.29 |
| Kyle Bradish | R | 25 | 6 | 6 | 4.94 | 25 | 22 | 102.0 | 100 | 56 | 16 | 50 | 105 | 4.81 |
| Tanner Scott | L | 27 | 5 | 3 | 3.73 | 63 | 0 | 60.3 | 49 | 25 | 6 | 35 | 80 | 3.81 |
| Kyle Brnovich | R | 24 | 4 | 5 | 5.00 | 23 | 20 | 93.7 | 99 | 52 | 19 | 27 | 86 | 5.01 |
| Keegan Akin | L | 27 | 6 | 7 | 5.06 | 25 | 20 | 101.3 | 108 | 57 | 19 | 38 | 94 | 5.01 |
| Cole Sulser | R | 32 | 5 | 4 | 3.94 | 55 | 1 | 59.3 | 51 | 26 | 9 | 23 | 69 | 4.04 |
| Dillon Tate | R | 28 | 4 | 4 | 4.37 | 52 | 4 | 72.0 | 72 | 35 | 9 | 25 | 58 | 4.53 |
| Jorge López | R | 29 | 7 | 8 | 5.24 | 33 | 21 | 115.0 | 124 | 67 | 20 | 46 | 101 | 5.09 |
| Cameron Bishop | L | 26 | 4 | 5 | 5.10 | 20 | 13 | 77.7 | 82 | 44 | 10 | 37 | 59 | 4.92 |
| Ryan Conroy | R | 25 | 4 | 4 | 4.76 | 26 | 6 | 68.0 | 72 | 36 | 8 | 29 | 51 | 4.62 |
| Zac Lowther | L | 26 | 6 | 7 | 5.22 | 22 | 19 | 91.3 | 93 | 53 | 16 | 42 | 84 | 5.19 |
| Logan Gillaspie | R | 25 | 3 | 3 | 4.76 | 28 | 6 | 64.3 | 69 | 34 | 10 | 21 | 49 | 4.84 |
| Nick Vespi | L | 26 | 5 | 5 | 4.64 | 30 | 5 | 54.3 | 53 | 28 | 7 | 27 | 52 | 4.60 |
| Paul Fry | L | 29 | 4 | 4 | 4.24 | 62 | 0 | 57.3 | 49 | 27 | 5 | 35 | 64 | 4.17 |
| Kevin Smith | L | 25 | 5 | 6 | 5.38 | 23 | 21 | 88.7 | 89 | 53 | 16 | 54 | 91 | 5.47 |
| D.L. Hall | L | 23 | 3 | 3 | 5.24 | 12 | 12 | 55.0 | 50 | 32 | 9 | 38 | 62 | 5.29 |
| Bruce Zimmermann | L | 27 | 5 | 7 | 5.46 | 21 | 20 | 97.3 | 108 | 59 | 20 | 39 | 84 | 5.48 |
| Mike Baumann | R | 26 | 4 | 6 | 5.40 | 23 | 19 | 81.7 | 87 | 49 | 13 | 41 | 66 | 5.29 |
| Alexander Wells | L | 25 | 6 | 8 | 5.49 | 24 | 19 | 98.3 | 114 | 60 | 21 | 25 | 69 | 5.47 |
| Garrett Stallings | R | 24 | 7 | 10 | 5.54 | 24 | 20 | 102.3 | 125 | 63 | 21 | 21 | 60 | 5.44 |
| Cionel Pérez | L | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.80 | 48 | 4 | 60.0 | 57 | 32 | 9 | 34 | 62 | 4.86 |
| Tyler Wells | R | 27 | 3 | 4 | 4.92 | 38 | 4 | 60.3 | 56 | 33 | 13 | 18 | 68 | 4.72 |
| Dean Kremer | R | 26 | 6 | 8 | 5.64 | 27 | 25 | 111.7 | 122 | 70 | 23 | 47 | 103 | 5.41 |
| Travis Lakins Sr. | R | 28 | 4 | 4 | 4.91 | 45 | 3 | 55.0 | 56 | 30 | 9 | 26 | 50 | 5.07 |
| Ty Blach | L | 31 | 3 | 5 | 5.59 | 25 | 17 | 83.7 | 100 | 52 | 16 | 24 | 54 | 5.34 |
| Claudio Custodio | R | 31 | 3 | 4 | 5.06 | 29 | 3 | 53.3 | 58 | 30 | 8 | 20 | 36 | 5.07 |
| Marcos Diplán | R | 25 | 3 | 4 | 4.91 | 41 | 2 | 55.0 | 52 | 30 | 9 | 30 | 56 | 5.02 |
| Chris Ellis | R | 29 | 3 | 5 | 5.63 | 26 | 16 | 84.7 | 89 | 53 | 18 | 40 | 75 | 5.77 |
| Brooks Kriske | R | 28 | 3 | 3 | 4.71 | 38 | 0 | 42.0 | 37 | 22 | 6 | 26 | 51 | 4.61 |
| Jordan Lyles | R | 31 | 8 | 12 | 5.77 | 29 | 26 | 149.7 | 165 | 96 | 37 | 51 | 126 | 5.81 |
| Ofelky Peralta | R | 25 | 5 | 8 | 5.80 | 24 | 19 | 94.7 | 102 | 61 | 17 | 57 | 79 | 5.81 |
| Matt Harvey | R | 33 | 7 | 10 | 5.87 | 25 | 24 | 110.3 | 131 | 72 | 25 | 35 | 83 | 5.68 |
| Cody Sedlock | R | 27 | 4 | 6 | 5.82 | 23 | 15 | 85.0 | 93 | 55 | 16 | 44 | 69 | 5.70 |
| Konner Wade | R | 30 | 3 | 4 | 5.65 | 23 | 7 | 78.0 | 94 | 49 | 18 | 19 | 49 | 5.81 |
| Fernando Abad | L | 36 | 2 | 2 | 5.06 | 42 | 0 | 42.7 | 47 | 24 | 8 | 10 | 33 | 4.84 |
| Tyler Burch | R | 24 | 4 | 4 | 5.14 | 34 | 0 | 42.0 | 45 | 24 | 9 | 13 | 39 | 5.25 |
| Dusten Knight | R | 31 | 2 | 2 | 5.22 | 38 | 0 | 39.7 | 41 | 23 | 8 | 16 | 39 | 5.20 |
| Bryan Baker | R | 27 | 3 | 4 | 5.31 | 44 | 0 | 42.3 | 40 | 25 | 7 | 28 | 47 | 5.24 |
| Ryan Hartman | L | 28 | 4 | 6 | 5.98 | 23 | 17 | 96.3 | 112 | 64 | 26 | 28 | 78 | 6.10 |
| David Lebron | R | 28 | 3 | 4 | 5.79 | 25 | 6 | 70.0 | 71 | 45 | 13 | 45 | 72 | 5.64 |
| Isaac Mattson | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 5.29 | 36 | 0 | 51.0 | 50 | 30 | 10 | 24 | 48 | 5.43 |
| Diogenes Almengo | R | 27 | 4 | 5 | 5.32 | 40 | 0 | 47.3 | 48 | 28 | 7 | 29 | 43 | 5.31 |
| Thomas Eshelman | R | 28 | 3 | 5 | 6.10 | 25 | 10 | 69.3 | 87 | 47 | 17 | 14 | 36 | 6.06 |
| Rico Garcia | R | 28 | 7 | 11 | 6.02 | 31 | 24 | 124.0 | 140 | 83 | 31 | 55 | 109 | 6.15 |
| Mickey Jannis | R | 34 | 3 | 6 | 6.17 | 19 | 13 | 86.0 | 105 | 59 | 18 | 36 | 50 | 6.17 |
| Blaine Knight | R | 26 | 4 | 7 | 6.17 | 22 | 15 | 86.0 | 104 | 59 | 18 | 34 | 51 | 6.08 |
| Adam Plutko | R | 30 | 4 | 5 | 5.93 | 38 | 10 | 88.0 | 99 | 58 | 23 | 30 | 68 | 6.19 |
| Steven Klimek | R | 28 | 4 | 5 | 5.57 | 36 | 0 | 53.3 | 55 | 33 | 9 | 31 | 49 | 5.45 |
| Joey Krehbiel | R | 29 | 2 | 3 | 5.60 | 50 | 0 | 53.0 | 55 | 33 | 12 | 23 | 52 | 5.58 |
| Felix Bautista | R | 27 | 2 | 4 | 6.03 | 32 | 0 | 37.3 | 35 | 25 | 7 | 30 | 41 | 6.07 |
| Tim Naughton | R | 26 | 3 | 4 | 5.91 | 40 | 0 | 45.7 | 45 | 30 | 7 | 37 | 45 | 5.76 |
| Gray Fenter | R | 26 | 4 | 7 | 6.45 | 22 | 14 | 75.3 | 80 | 54 | 15 | 52 | 64 | 6.34 |
| Conner Greene | R | 27 | 4 | 6 | 6.31 | 32 | 8 | 71.3 | 79 | 50 | 16 | 44 | 62 | 6.42 |
| Tyler Joyner | R | 26 | 3 | 5 | 6.16 | 26 | 0 | 49.7 | 58 | 34 | 11 | 22 | 34 | 6.20 |
| Spenser Watkins | R | 29 | 5 | 8 | 6.49 | 24 | 17 | 97.0 | 120 | 70 | 25 | 36 | 67 | 6.42 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| John Means | 8.1 | 2.1 | 1.8 | 5.6% | 21.7% | .270 | 104 | 96 | 2.3 | Bud Black |
| Grayson Rodriguez | 9.3 | 3.4 | 1.4 | 8.8% | 24.0% | .293 | 99 | 101 | 1.2 | Chin-hui Tsao |
| Drew Rom | 6.9 | 3.0 | 1.3 | 7.7% | 17.5% | .302 | 93 | 107 | 1.0 | Manny Parra |
| César Valdez | 7.6 | 2.3 | 1.3 | 5.9% | 19.7% | .304 | 104 | 96 | 0.9 | Dennis Lamp |
| Kyle Bradish | 9.3 | 4.4 | 1.4 | 11.0% | 23.1% | .302 | 92 | 109 | 0.9 | John Pacella |
| Tanner Scott | 11.9 | 5.2 | 0.9 | 13.1% | 30.0% | .305 | 121 | 82 | 0.8 | Rod Scurry |
| Kyle Brnovich | 8.3 | 2.6 | 1.8 | 6.7% | 21.2% | .299 | 91 | 110 | 0.8 | Andy Sonnanstine |
| Keegan Akin | 8.3 | 3.4 | 1.7 | 8.5% | 21.0% | .305 | 89 | 112 | 0.7 | Trey Moore |
| Cole Sulser | 10.5 | 3.5 | 1.4 | 9.2% | 27.7% | .286 | 115 | 87 | 0.7 | Stan Belinda |
| Dillon Tate | 7.3 | 3.1 | 1.1 | 7.9% | 18.4% | .292 | 103 | 97 | 0.6 | Rafael Montalvo |
| Jorge López | 7.9 | 3.6 | 1.6 | 8.9% | 19.6% | .306 | 86 | 116 | 0.6 | Jay Tibbs |
| Cameron Bishop | 6.8 | 4.3 | 1.2 | 10.6% | 16.9% | .300 | 89 | 113 | 0.5 | Dusty Hughes |
| Ryan Conroy | 6.8 | 3.8 | 1.1 | 9.6% | 16.8% | .302 | 95 | 105 | 0.5 | Rosman Garcia |
| Zac Lowther | 8.3 | 4.1 | 1.6 | 10.3% | 20.5% | .295 | 87 | 115 | 0.5 | Brandon Claussen |
| Logan Gillaspie | 6.9 | 2.9 | 1.4 | 7.4% | 17.4% | .298 | 95 | 105 | 0.5 | Josh Stevens |
| Nick Vespi | 8.6 | 4.5 | 1.2 | 11.2% | 21.5% | .301 | 98 | 102 | 0.4 | Dan Ricabal |
| Paul Fry | 10.0 | 5.5 | 0.8 | 13.6% | 24.9% | .297 | 107 | 94 | 0.4 | Tim Fortugno |
| Kevin Smith | 9.2 | 5.5 | 1.6 | 13.2% | 22.3% | .302 | 84 | 119 | 0.4 | Luis Martinez |
| D.L. Hall | 10.1 | 6.2 | 1.5 | 15.1% | 24.6% | .293 | 86 | 116 | 0.3 | Randy Johnson |
| Bruce Zimmermann | 7.8 | 3.6 | 1.8 | 8.9% | 19.2% | .304 | 83 | 121 | 0.3 | Jason Stanford |
| Mike Baumann | 7.3 | 4.5 | 1.4 | 11.1% | 17.8% | .300 | 84 | 119 | 0.3 | Chris Hook |
| Alexander Wells | 6.3 | 2.3 | 1.9 | 5.8% | 16.0% | .299 | 82 | 121 | 0.3 | Bobby Livingston |
| Garrett Stallings | 5.3 | 1.8 | 1.8 | 4.7% | 13.3% | .303 | 82 | 122 | 0.2 | Andrew Baldwin |
| Cionel Pérez | 9.3 | 5.1 | 1.4 | 12.6% | 23.0% | .296 | 94 | 106 | 0.2 | Armando Almanza |
| Tyler Wells | 10.1 | 2.7 | 1.9 | 7.1% | 26.9% | .283 | 92 | 109 | 0.2 | Julio Mateo |
| Dean Kremer | 8.3 | 3.8 | 1.9 | 9.4% | 20.6% | .307 | 80 | 125 | 0.1 | Greg Roscoe |
| Travis Lakins Sr. | 8.2 | 4.3 | 1.5 | 10.6% | 20.3% | .297 | 92 | 108 | 0.1 | Ernie Camacho |
| Ty Blach | 5.8 | 2.6 | 1.7 | 6.5% | 14.6% | .307 | 81 | 124 | 0.1 | Lee Gronkiewicz |
| Claudio Custodio | 6.1 | 3.4 | 1.4 | 8.4% | 15.2% | .294 | 89 | 112 | 0.1 | Steve Comer |
| Marcos Diplán | 9.2 | 4.9 | 1.5 | 12.2% | 22.9% | .291 | 92 | 108 | 0.1 | Brandon Puffer |
| Chris Ellis | 8.0 | 4.3 | 1.9 | 10.5% | 19.6% | .291 | 80 | 124 | 0.0 | Eric Junge 연지 |
| Brooks Kriske | 10.9 | 5.6 | 1.3 | 13.8% | 27.1% | .301 | 96 | 104 | 0.0 | Johnny Ruffin 러핀 |
| Jordan Lyles | 7.6 | 3.1 | 2.2 | 7.8% | 19.1% | .291 | 78 | 128 | 0.0 | Dennis Martinez |
| Ofelky Peralta | 7.5 | 5.4 | 1.6 | 12.9% | 17.9% | .300 | 78 | 128 | -0.1 | Mike Lumley |
| Matt Harvey | 6.8 | 2.9 | 2.0 | 7.1% | 16.8% | .306 | 77 | 130 | -0.1 | Brian Moehler |
| Cody Sedlock | 7.3 | 4.7 | 1.7 | 11.3% | 17.7% | .300 | 78 | 129 | -0.1 | Charlie Manning |
| Konner Wade | 5.7 | 2.2 | 2.1 | 5.5% | 14.2% | .298 | 80 | 125 | -0.1 | Matt Ginter |
| Fernando Abad | 7.0 | 2.1 | 1.7 | 5.5% | 18.0% | .298 | 89 | 112 | -0.1 | Eric Gunderson |
| Tyler Burch | 8.4 | 2.8 | 1.9 | 7.1% | 21.2% | .300 | 88 | 114 | -0.2 | Jimmy Serrano 세라노 |
| Dusten Knight | 8.8 | 3.6 | 1.8 | 9.1% | 22.3% | .300 | 87 | 115 | -0.2 | Mark Small |
| Bryan Baker | 10.0 | 6.0 | 1.5 | 14.4% | 24.2% | .300 | 85 | 117 | -0.2 | Regular Bob Gibson |
| Ryan Hartman | 7.3 | 2.6 | 2.4 | 6.6% | 18.3% | .297 | 76 | 132 | -0.3 | Randy Leek |
| David Lebron | 9.3 | 5.8 | 1.7 | 13.8% | 22.2% | .304 | 78 | 128 | -0.3 | Mike MacDougal |
| Isaac Mattson | 8.5 | 4.2 | 1.8 | 10.6% | 21.2% | .284 | 85 | 117 | -0.3 | Brady Raggio |
| Diogenes Almengo | 8.2 | 5.5 | 1.3 | 13.2% | 19.6% | .299 | 85 | 118 | -0.3 | Pete Sikaras |
| Thomas Eshelman | 4.7 | 1.8 | 2.2 | 4.6% | 11.8% | .297 | 74 | 135 | -0.4 | A.J. Sager |
| Rico Garcia | 7.9 | 4.0 | 2.3 | 9.8% | 19.3% | .300 | 75 | 133 | -0.4 | Todd Van Poppel |
| Mickey Jannis | 5.2 | 3.8 | 1.9 | 9.1% | 12.6% | .302 | 73 | 136 | -0.4 | Shawn Boskie |
| Blaine Knight | 5.3 | 3.6 | 1.9 | 8.6% | 12.9% | .301 | 73 | 136 | -0.4 | Mike Hinckley |
| Adam Plutko | 7.0 | 3.1 | 2.4 | 7.7% | 17.4% | .287 | 76 | 131 | -0.4 | Nate Snell |
| Steven Klimek | 8.3 | 5.2 | 1.5 | 12.7% | 20.0% | .301 | 81 | 123 | -0.5 | Ryan Baker |
| Joey Krehbiel | 8.8 | 3.9 | 2.0 | 9.8% | 22.1% | .295 | 81 | 124 | -0.5 | Jack Hardy |
| Felix Bautista | 9.9 | 7.2 | 1.7 | 16.9% | 23.0% | .289 | 75 | 133 | -0.5 | Eric Cammack |
| Tim Naughton | 8.9 | 7.3 | 1.4 | 17.0% | 20.6% | .299 | 77 | 131 | -0.6 | Jeff Smith |
| Gray Fenter | 7.6 | 6.2 | 1.8 | 14.6% | 17.9% | .294 | 70 | 143 | -0.6 | Tom Davey |
| Conner Greene | 7.8 | 5.6 | 2.0 | 13.1% | 18.4% | .300 | 72 | 139 | -0.7 | James Warden |
| Tyler Joyner | 6.2 | 4.0 | 2.0 | 9.6% | 14.9% | .297 | 73 | 136 | -0.8 | Brian Wolfe |
| Spenser Watkins | 6.2 | 3.3 | 2.3 | 8.1% | 15.1% | .305 | 70 | 144 | -0.8 | Felipe Lira |
Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2022 due to injury, and players who were released in 2021. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a big band orchestra that only plays nu-metal versions of baroque cantatas, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.36, similar to the post-June substance-enforcement environment.
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2022.
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Here to point out that DL Hall’s top comp is Randy Johnson
And it’s the right Randy Johnson, too.
Now, most pitchers with Randy Johnson’s profile don’t *become* Randy Johnson.
Nor do they become Randy Johnson. Or Randy Johnson. Or Frank Thomas. Or Frank Thomas. Or Mike Crudale.
Or Steve Ontiveros.
Played travel hockey as a kid w Mike Crudale. Dude was hilarious
23 year old randy Johnson had 128 BB in 140 IP in AA. Yuck. I wonder what his career projection was in the way-back machine.
We need a ZiPs reprojection of Randy Johnson from several points in his twenties.
From Baseball Reference’s similarity scores – an very rough idea of who the Big Unit’s peers were:
Through age 27:
1. Chris Nabholz
2. Ken Kravec
3. AJ Burnett
4. Mike Minor
5. Justin Thompson
6. Chris Capuano
7. Zane Smith
8. Wade Miley
9. Danny Duffy
10. Jonathan Sanchez
Career:
1. Clemens
2. Glavine
3. Seaver
4. Feller
5. Palmer
6. Grove
7. Gibson
8. Sabathia
9. Carlton
10. Mussina
What the kids these days refer to as a “glow up” I think…
How is it possible that the O’s have developed virtually ZERO pitching this century? I mean their best homegrown starter has been Erik Bedard, and he only gave them 3 good seasons. It’s perplexing that a franchise can be so bad at this.
The Rangers are like that too. There are several teams in MLB who have 2-3 homegrown starters on their roster right now (Dodgers, Brewers, Marlins, probably the Braves too) that are already about as good as Erik Bedard and CJ Wilson ever were.
Just for fun, I went and grabbed a list of starters up to age 28 to see which teams were particularly good at developing pitchers. In addition to the Rangers and Orioles, you know who has had a terrible time developing pitchers? The Padres. They haven’t had a good homegrown pitcher in his 20s since Jake Peavy left in 2009ish (although to be fair, he was on the decline at that point).
That’s true. I’m afraid Paddack and his two-pitch mix won’t be a major success either. Latos has probably been there best homegrown arm this past decade, but his tenure didn’t last long either.
That is partly because they pulled a Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson deal when they sent Eduardo Rodriquez to the Red Sox for a rental of Andrew Miller.
hitting Parks don’t help!
It’s even worse than that, look at the guys who have become better since leaving the Orioles – Gausman, Arrieta,
Then there’s guys that the Orioles traded that made it to the majors – Josh Hader being the best, but Zach Davies, Eduardo Rodriguez, and others are there too.
I’ve always thought that Maikel Franco was a regular Pete Rose Jr.
Odd – Ramon Urias gets a surprisingly good projection for 2021, then goes out and actually backs it up, and his projection for 2022 drops by quite a bit.
ZiPS was not enthralled by the BABIP vs. zBABIP. Though it did surprise me a bit too.
I’m sleep deprived so I’m probably missing something, but Austin Hays’s projections seems almost right on his 2021 results but over a full win lower by WAR. What’s the gap there? Does ZiPS think that that level of production will just not compare as favorably to the overall pool of results in 2022?
If there’s one guy who I think would benefit from a change of scenery, it’s Keegan Akin. Akin has always put the ball in the air a lot, and Baltimore is a really unforgiving place for that. He and Deivi Garcia are the types of guys who are going to get traded as post-prospects to the Giants or Nationals and flourish.
Aside from that–I’m not a big fan of bad teams spending a ton of money in free agency but the pitching here is so embarrassing I don’t think they can wait two offseasons to go after Julio Urias or Jack Flaherty. Signing Jordan Lyles to a guaranteed contract is a good example of how expensive it is to be cheap. There are other guys who are arguably just as good, who would have been available later, who have been functional pitchers at some point in the last few years, and might have signed for the similar money or they could have gotten a team option (Zach Davies, Kwang Hyun Kim, Matthew Boyd, etc).
And if they missed out on those guys and also missed on Jordan Lyles, so what? Signing Jordan Lyles is a bit like lighting money on fire. Maybe they’ll surprise us and go after Carlos Rodon after the lockout ends. They probably won’t.
I’m interested to see what they have Lyles throw. He’s a former sinker heavy guy that went heavy four seam/curveball in 2019, but shifted back to throwing more sinkers at the end of 2021 and had some success with it. The four seam/curveball profile has Astros pitching dev all over it, but the sinker profile is better for Baltimore given how homer prone Lyles has been.
Now even when Lyles was at his best he wasn’t all that good, but I’m grasping at any reason to justify why they’d throw so much money at him when they’ve been content to sign the Matt Harvey’s and Wade LeBlanc’s of the world for nothing. Unless they’re thinking a salary floor might be coming…
Lyle’s agent must have shown the O’s the Dennis Martinez comp.
If this season gets delayed, that 2019 draft class will have been royaly hooped by the pandemic and CBA. Adley Rutchman really shouldn’t be 24+ as a rookie.
O’s management are going to be disappointed to read that Bryan Baker is just the regular Bob Gibson, not the spectacularly amazing Bob Gibson. Even if the stuff isn’t there maybe Baker could at least try to look more intimidating on the mound.
Bud black, Dennis Lamo, Randy Johnson, and Dennis Martinez are some good comps! Let’s hope for the Oriole’s sake they are reached.
Bill Freehan and Johnny Damon too. Who’s Dennis Lamo?
Dennis Lame-o was what his childhood bullies called Dennis Lamp. He showed them!
Sorry I have wide fingers and don’t always catch my typos.
“The fingers you have used to dial are too fat.
To obtain a special dialing wand
please mash the keypad with your palm now.”
What might Means, Mancini or Hays bring back in trades? I thought for sure one of them would be shipped out last season.
Means would bring back an okay prospect or two but since he’s only 28 and they don’t have any other pitchers they really should think about keeping and maybe extending him. Normally I’m in favor of trading everyone on a 52-win team but aside from Means, Grayson Rodriguez, Drew Rom, and a couple of low-minors arms they don’t have anyone in the entire organization who even has a shot to be a viable starter someday. (Well, I guess Keegan Akin, but potentially not in Baltimore)
Mancini has no trade value. Not sure about Hays. If Hays does they should consider moving him. Maybe the Marlins or Reds would install him in CF and give up a pitcher.
Means would net a 50 FV, and 1 other in that 40-45 range. If we were to trade him, I’d look to someone whose competing, and try to snag a 50 FV pitcher who is ready for the majors.
Mullins is the one if the Orioles want to “jump start” the rebuild. He would get a haul back, with 1 extremely cheap year of control, and 3 ARB years left of control. Talking multiple top 100 guys, a 55 and a 50 to headline.
Mancini has little surplus value, and Hays is an interesting trade candidate. If he gets going in the first half, and the Orioles want to trade, he’d bring in a good piece or two based on control. Depends on that first half and if the OBP gets out of the .300 range. Though I wonder how good he could be in CF, his speed is diminished since his debut. More value there than a corner.
Well, at least the O’s have both made and won a playoff series more recently than the Phillies.
Things should look better when Cowser, Norby, Mayo and Kjerstad (fingers crossed) make the list.
I think the Orioles long time futility with developing pitching comes mostly from their inability to field strong gloves and their home run friendly park. The orioles are rarely an above average defensive team because they think pure power hitters are they way to go in Camden yards. Problem is great power hitters are often slow guys who can’t field well. Obviously exceptions exist, but over the last 20 years the Orioles have not found enough of them to give their pitchers a good chance to succeed and get confidence. Let me know if you agree.
When you spend all your time looking for the next Chris Davis, you miss all the Billy Ripkens, and wind up with a bunch of lessor Rob Deers. Bill Ripken was no star but he was damn good with the glove and helped his pitching staffs. No pitcher ever was thankful for Rob Deers glove.
For a number of years during our last run, our IF defense was Machado, Hardy, Schoop, and Davis. With Wieters at C. Sure, we ran out some guys in LF and RF that weren’t the greatest, but our defense was good overall, especially the left side of the IF.
” the projections suggest a pitcher who could be a no. 3 starter in the majors right now. The O’s would be silly to use him that way in 2022, as letting him finish honing his impressive repertoire in the high minors is more important”
Dan, would it be possible at some point to see a compare and contrast of zips for a few guys who did get to season in the upper minors vs those who didn’t, along with how the projections changed for the guys who did?
I definitely believe this idea to be true, but I’d love to see the projections for a few years as a guy progressed to the majors- how much does the final few years seasoning increase their talent level, vs just dialing in uncertainty?
Can we talk about Bryan Baker’s comp “REGULAR Bob Gibson” for a moment? Was this moniker widely used? In looking at his player page vis-a-vis “Hall of Fame flamethrowing otherworldly Bob Gibson” it seems wholly appropriate, but damn. Very “Sara Plain and Tall” vibes there.
ETA: Regular Bob does have 12 more wins than I do, which puts me a level below Regular. “Shit-ass Jason” reporting for duty!
Then again I am outpacing him in career WAR, 0.0 to -1.0. Take THAT Regular Bob!
In this case, it wasn’t a nickname, but one I had given to him because of confusion a few times a year. There was inevitably some nondescript reliever who got Bob Gibson and people protest that there’s no way that guy should be compared to Bob Gibson.
So, some names in my database for comps include:
Regular Bob Gibson
Other Frank Thomas
Lil’ Chris Carter
Not That Randy Johnson
Slightly Better Jeff Robinson
I Don’t Know Which Alex Gonzalez This Is
There’s also Good Jeff D’Amico
and the lesser Steve Montgomery is Steve Montgomery Burns
There is also a Steve Montgomery Snrub with a comically large fake moustache.
By the power vested in me (none whatsoever) these monikers are heretofore adopted and shall be applied anytime these guys are referenced.
Thusly executed this day,
Shit-ass Jason
If Baltimore makes the playoffs in 2022 or 23 I will walk naked from Florida to California
Feel free to send Lucius Fox to the Cubs
Here’s hoping Hall reaches FA with no TJ or any other arm surgeries in general
I see Rutschman getting Not That Good-ed down over the course of his pre-FA or extension years. Anyone good really, but especially easy to do with a catcher debuting at 24 IIRC who can really catch (imagine if he couldn’t!) and of some value to the league to do it to a 1:1 pick. Pretty amazing talent: giant switch hitting catcher who can really play defense with approach and power on offense
Good to see Westburg getting some prospect love, felt underrated during the draft. Giant college SS who hit for 3 years (I guess I’ll say in the SEC too) including the CCBL and could stick at the position seemed like an excellent bucket to draft from