2022 ZiPS Projections: Detroit Tigers
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Detroit Tigers.
Batters
ZiPS doesn’t usually catch me completely by surprise, but the Tigers’ 2022 offensive projections are, as a group, a solid step or two ahead of what I expected. In fact, the difference is enough to make me think a bit more positively about exactly where the Tigers are in the American League Central. Detroit didn’t hit all that well in 2021, but they were a galaxy ahead of a ’19 season when they literally scored about 200 fewer runs than the average offense. Last season, they almost clawed their way to the middle of the pack, and that was without really getting all that much good fortune. Sure, they got a very good year out of Jeimer Candelario and Akil Baddoo seemingly came out of nowhere, but nobody really hit a level of performance that looks like it will be a challenge to repeat.
And there’s more on the way.
Over the last decade, the Tigers have done a rather poor job developing offensive talent, highlighted by a terrible record in the draft. Nick Castellanos is the most recent Tigers draftee to become a staple in the lineup for a significant period of time, and he was drafted back in 2010 before being flipped to the Cubs in 2019. Since then, it’s been a parade of future saviors who have largely struggled to even master minor league pitching, from Steven Moya to Derek Hill to Christin Stewart, among others.
Unlike past mirages, there’s good reason to be more optimistic about Spencer Torkelson and Riley Greene. They both terrorized minor league pitching and are more complete hitters than the names above. Over full seasons, ZiPS basically sees both of them as three-win players, and if you read the article covering Seattle’s ZiPS projections, there’s a handy, dandy chart showing how rare that is. While I expect the usual service time games to be played, Detroit’s going to be hard-pressed to keep them both down in the minors for very long, especially Torkelson.
Moving Jonathan Schoop back to the keystone is as good as signing a second baseman. Yes, Schoop played 156 games for the Tigers in 2021, mostly at first base, but playing him there nullifies a lot of the justification for having him on your roster in the first place. At first, Schoop’s offense, which is fairly potent at second, is quite run-of-the-mill. Playing the pivot in 2020, Schoop’s 1.4 WAR in 44 games nearly matched his entire output in ’21.
And we cannot forget the addition of Javier Báez. I think we’re at the point with Báez where worrying about his occasionally abysmal contact has become counter-productive. He’ll turn 30 by the end of 2022, and he’s far from the days of being a prospect. He is what he is at this point, and it’s more useful to focus on the things that he does well. He handles multiple positions with alpomb, and when he does connect, he has a very high batting average and a healthy surplus of power. The Tigers should shrug whenever someone frets that Báez isn’t Joey Votto, and just be happy to have a shortstop who lets them say “haha scoreboard go brrrrrrrr.”
One tough decision that lies ahead is the Miguel Cabrera Problem. There are still two years remaining on Cabrera’s contract — I’m assuming the options aren’t getting picked up — and wins in these seasons increasingly look like they could be meaningful. That’s a problem for the Tigers, and they risk falling into the same trap the Angels did: playing their future Hall of Famer well past the point his performance justifies simply because he’s expensive and was great seven or eight years ago. The White Sox are likely the better team in 2022, but Detroit catching them in a good year is no longer implausible. That becomes a lot harder if they start themselves a couple of games back in the standings because of nostalgia.
Pitchers
With the offense looking closer to playoff quality than it has in years, the loss of Spencer Turnbull to Tommy John surgery is even harder to take. Turnbull required surgery in July after a few setbacks, meaning that he’s likely to miss all of 2022, with a brief cameo the best-case scenario. ZiPS absolutely loves Eduardo Rodriguez, and sees him as the equal of Kevin Gausman or Robbie Ray, both of whom signed for a lot more cash. Yes, there’s a 4.74 ERA on his baseball card, but his peripherals were immaculate, and those are the numbers you’ll do better betting on over the long haul. A .363 BABIP is never sustainable — even hitters being dragooned into pitching have historically had a much more promising BABIP than that.
As for the rest of the rotation, continued progress is likely. We’ve reached the point where Casey Mize and Tarik Skubal should be reasonably expected to be league-average pitchers. Matt Manning, meanwhile, is at least a respectable fourth/fifth starter with upside. Detroit would still benefit from picking up an additional starting pitcher.
While ZiPS generally likes the rest of the Tigers, we come now to the bullpen. Think of the characters you’ve disliked the most in TV and movies. For ZiPS, the Tiger bullpen is like a horrible mashup of Andy Bernard, Neelix, Councilman Jam, Ted Mosby, and Scrappy-Doo all smashed together into a Katamari ball, destroying every bit of joy in the universe like the slime from the second Ghostbusters movie. ZiPS doesn’t project a single member of the bullpen to be clearly better than ordinary, and unless I’ve somehow programmed an algorithm with a ridiculously specific, targeted hatred, the Tigers would be wise to make some additions here, especially if quick contention is the plan.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jeimer Candelario | B | 28 | 3B | 604 | 537 | 72 | 136 | 33 | 4 | 18 | 64 | 60 | 136 | 1 | 1 |
| Javier Báez | R | 29 | SS | 573 | 536 | 79 | 140 | 27 | 3 | 26 | 80 | 26 | 165 | 17 | 6 |
| Riley Greene | L | 21 | CF | 572 | 514 | 79 | 138 | 22 | 5 | 23 | 71 | 47 | 158 | 12 | 1 |
| Spencer Torkelson | R | 22 | 1B | 541 | 462 | 72 | 115 | 25 | 1 | 28 | 77 | 55 | 117 | 4 | 2 |
| Akil Baddoo | L | 23 | CF | 495 | 443 | 67 | 117 | 22 | 8 | 15 | 60 | 49 | 124 | 20 | 4 |
| Isaac Paredes | R | 23 | 3B | 471 | 409 | 61 | 105 | 16 | 3 | 14 | 47 | 50 | 69 | 1 | 1 |
| Robbie Grossman | B | 32 | LF | 571 | 485 | 71 | 118 | 23 | 3 | 17 | 56 | 75 | 127 | 14 | 4 |
| Jonathan Schoop | R | 30 | 2B | 610 | 569 | 77 | 151 | 27 | 2 | 22 | 74 | 28 | 121 | 2 | 0 |
| Ryan Kreidler | R | 24 | SS | 516 | 466 | 53 | 109 | 19 | 1 | 15 | 44 | 37 | 143 | 11 | 4 |
| Victor Reyes | B | 27 | RF | 478 | 451 | 62 | 127 | 24 | 6 | 10 | 44 | 21 | 101 | 14 | 4 |
| Jake Rogers | R | 27 | C | 324 | 286 | 37 | 58 | 11 | 2 | 13 | 37 | 28 | 110 | 2 | 0 |
| Niko Goodrum | B | 30 | SS | 417 | 374 | 48 | 85 | 19 | 3 | 11 | 41 | 37 | 125 | 14 | 4 |
| Zack Short | R | 27 | SS | 369 | 314 | 46 | 64 | 13 | 1 | 13 | 40 | 45 | 107 | 4 | 1 |
| Dillon Dingler | R | 23 | C | 382 | 351 | 47 | 80 | 9 | 2 | 14 | 43 | 16 | 101 | 1 | 0 |
| Tucker Barnhart | L | 31 | C | 380 | 340 | 33 | 78 | 16 | 1 | 6 | 35 | 33 | 87 | 0 | 1 |
| Willi Castro | B | 25 | 2B | 551 | 507 | 65 | 128 | 23 | 7 | 12 | 51 | 27 | 128 | 12 | 4 |
| Eric Haase | R | 29 | C | 410 | 376 | 49 | 82 | 14 | 1 | 16 | 57 | 28 | 135 | 2 | 0 |
| Andre Lipcius | R | 24 | 3B | 462 | 419 | 56 | 94 | 19 | 2 | 9 | 42 | 34 | 97 | 5 | 2 |
| Kody Clemens | L | 26 | 2B | 459 | 417 | 49 | 95 | 18 | 4 | 15 | 53 | 30 | 114 | 4 | 2 |
| Andrew Navigato | R | 24 | SS | 368 | 333 | 41 | 71 | 12 | 1 | 8 | 31 | 25 | 91 | 7 | 4 |
| Daz Cameron | R | 25 | CF | 426 | 383 | 48 | 86 | 18 | 4 | 11 | 40 | 33 | 120 | 14 | 5 |
| Christin Stewart | L | 28 | RF | 439 | 393 | 46 | 92 | 19 | 3 | 19 | 57 | 37 | 116 | 1 | 1 |
| Aderlin Rodríguez | R | 30 | 1B | 459 | 427 | 59 | 112 | 22 | 1 | 16 | 70 | 24 | 106 | 1 | 1 |
| Eliezer Alfonzo | B | 22 | C | 409 | 389 | 59 | 99 | 16 | 0 | 9 | 45 | 15 | 39 | 2 | 1 |
| Yariel Gonzalez | B | 28 | 3B | 412 | 380 | 46 | 93 | 13 | 0 | 12 | 42 | 25 | 86 | 2 | 2 |
| John Valente | R | 27 | 2B | 284 | 267 | 28 | 69 | 9 | 2 | 3 | 18 | 13 | 34 | 7 | 3 |
| Daniel Pinero | R | 28 | 2B | 406 | 365 | 42 | 78 | 19 | 2 | 9 | 38 | 32 | 106 | 3 | 4 |
| Nomar Mazara | L | 27 | RF | 378 | 347 | 41 | 87 | 17 | 1 | 11 | 46 | 25 | 92 | 1 | 1 |
| Dustin Garneau | R | 34 | C | 188 | 167 | 21 | 33 | 8 | 0 | 8 | 23 | 14 | 52 | 0 | 0 |
| Josh Lester | L | 27 | 1B | 470 | 432 | 47 | 94 | 19 | 2 | 21 | 58 | 31 | 135 | 2 | 1 |
| Dane Myers | R | 26 | 3B | 183 | 167 | 23 | 41 | 7 | 1 | 4 | 15 | 9 | 49 | 2 | 1 |
| Gage Workman | B | 22 | SS | 536 | 501 | 50 | 104 | 27 | 2 | 13 | 49 | 29 | 165 | 16 | 4 |
| Harold Castro | L | 28 | SS | 422 | 397 | 40 | 109 | 14 | 2 | 5 | 40 | 15 | 90 | 3 | 3 |
| Jacob Robson | L | 27 | LF | 422 | 374 | 51 | 88 | 17 | 3 | 8 | 35 | 43 | 137 | 15 | 2 |
| Jake Holton | R | 24 | 1B | 317 | 283 | 40 | 64 | 12 | 1 | 7 | 30 | 23 | 70 | 1 | 1 |
| Drew Ward | L | 27 | 1B | 334 | 300 | 39 | 63 | 11 | 1 | 13 | 39 | 27 | 121 | 1 | 1 |
| Juan Centeno | L | 32 | C | 245 | 227 | 27 | 55 | 10 | 0 | 2 | 19 | 14 | 36 | 1 | 0 |
| Derek Hill | R | 26 | CF | 410 | 379 | 45 | 89 | 11 | 4 | 8 | 33 | 24 | 127 | 14 | 8 |
| Miguel Cabrera | R | 39 | 1B | 473 | 428 | 42 | 106 | 12 | 0 | 14 | 63 | 34 | 106 | 0 | 0 |
| Grayson Greiner | R | 29 | C | 246 | 222 | 23 | 44 | 8 | 0 | 5 | 21 | 20 | 80 | 0 | 0 |
| Jon Rosoff | L | 27 | C | 180 | 163 | 13 | 32 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 14 | 40 | 3 | 1 |
| Kerry Carpenter | L | 24 | LF | 442 | 404 | 57 | 98 | 20 | 1 | 12 | 50 | 23 | 88 | 5 | 3 |
| Bryant Packard | L | 24 | LF | 381 | 348 | 39 | 73 | 16 | 0 | 10 | 33 | 25 | 110 | 6 | 2 |
| Christopher Proctor | L | 25 | C | 215 | 201 | 16 | 35 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 10 | 11 | 68 | 2 | 0 |
| Wenceel Perez | B | 22 | 2B | 511 | 480 | 58 | 110 | 16 | 3 | 6 | 35 | 25 | 96 | 13 | 4 |
| Brady Policelli | R | 27 | C | 386 | 357 | 39 | 71 | 15 | 2 | 9 | 34 | 24 | 105 | 10 | 4 |
| Reynaldo Rivera | L | 25 | 1B | 370 | 340 | 34 | 61 | 11 | 1 | 17 | 46 | 20 | 152 | 1 | 0 |
| Eric De La Rosa | R | 25 | CF | 383 | 352 | 37 | 72 | 14 | 2 | 6 | 27 | 20 | 126 | 15 | 5 |
| Daniel Cabrera | L | 23 | RF | 508 | 477 | 56 | 101 | 17 | 3 | 15 | 54 | 22 | 120 | 5 | 2 |
| Dylan Rosa | R | 26 | RF | 315 | 295 | 29 | 58 | 11 | 1 | 9 | 29 | 15 | 108 | 3 | 2 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jeimer Candelario | .253 | .334 | .430 | 108 | .177 | .308 | 5.2 | 3 | 3.2 | Travis Fryman |
| Javier Báez | .261 | .304 | .468 | 107 | .207 | .330 | 5.3 | 2 | 3.1 | Dave Concepcion |
| Riley Greene | .268 | .335 | .465 | 117 | .196 | .345 | 6.0 | -5 | 2.9 | Lloyd Moseby |
| Spencer Torkelson | .249 | .334 | .489 | 122 | .240 | .274 | 5.9 | 4 | 2.8 | Alvin Davis |
| Akil Baddoo | .264 | .335 | .451 | 113 | .187 | .336 | 5.9 | -5 | 2.3 | Junior Felix |
| Isaac Paredes | .257 | .340 | .413 | 106 | .156 | .279 | 5.1 | 2 | 2.2 | Bobby Holley |
| Robbie Grossman | .243 | .349 | .408 | 107 | .165 | .296 | 5.2 | 0 | 2.1 | Gary Matthews |
| Jonathan Schoop | .265 | .307 | .436 | 101 | .170 | .303 | 4.9 | -3 | 2.0 | Other Frank Thomas |
| Ryan Kreidler | .234 | .295 | .376 | 83 | .142 | .305 | 4.0 | 4 | 1.5 | Jeff Moronko |
| Victor Reyes | .282 | .314 | .428 | 101 | .146 | .344 | 5.2 | 3 | 1.5 | Dave Martinez |
| Jake Rogers | .203 | .281 | .392 | 82 | .189 | .276 | 3.8 | 5 | 1.2 | Bob Melvin |
| Niko Goodrum | .227 | .300 | .382 | 86 | .155 | .311 | 4.2 | 1 | 1.2 | Lou Collier |
| Zack Short | .204 | .310 | .376 | 87 | .172 | .263 | 4.0 | 0 | 1.1 | Matt Macri |
| Dillon Dingler | .228 | .277 | .385 | 79 | .157 | .280 | 3.8 | 3 | 1.0 | Joe Girardi |
| Tucker Barnhart | .229 | .303 | .335 | 76 | .106 | .291 | 3.5 | 4 | 0.9 | Ed Ott |
| Willi Castro | .252 | .300 | .396 | 89 | .144 | .316 | 4.4 | -3 | 0.9 | Carlos Garcia |
| Eric Haase | .218 | .276 | .388 | 79 | .170 | .293 | 3.8 | 1 | 0.9 | Bob Geren |
| Andre Lipcius | .224 | .282 | .344 | 71 | .119 | .272 | 3.4 | 8 | 0.7 | Adam Fox |
| Kody Clemens | .228 | .281 | .398 | 84 | .170 | .278 | 3.9 | 0 | 0.7 | Doug Saunders |
| Andrew Navigato | .213 | .276 | .327 | 65 | .114 | .269 | 3.1 | 7 | 0.6 | Scott Leius |
| Daz Cameron | .225 | .299 | .379 | 84 | .154 | .298 | 4.0 | -2 | 0.6 | Mark Little |
| Christin Stewart | .234 | .308 | .443 | 103 | .209 | .283 | 4.8 | -4 | 0.6 | John-Ford Griffin |
| Aderlin Rodríguez | .262 | .309 | .431 | 100 | .169 | .315 | 4.9 | -3 | 0.6 | Xavier Nady |
| Eliezer Alfonzo | .254 | .283 | .365 | 76 | .111 | .264 | 3.7 | -1 | 0.5 | A.J. Pierzynski |
| Yariel Gonzalez | .245 | .291 | .374 | 81 | .129 | .287 | 3.8 | 1 | 0.4 | Chris Brown |
| John Valente | .258 | .297 | .341 | 75 | .082 | .287 | 3.7 | 3 | 0.4 | Onix Concepcion |
| Daniel Pinero | .214 | .284 | .351 | 73 | .137 | .276 | 3.3 | 3 | 0.4 | Jorge Velandia |
| Nomar Mazara | .251 | .304 | .401 | 91 | .150 | .311 | 4.4 | -1 | 0.3 | Ruben Mateo |
| Dustin Garneau | .198 | .273 | .389 | 79 | .192 | .234 | 3.6 | -1 | 0.3 | Jim Hegan |
| Josh Lester | .218 | .271 | .417 | 85 | .199 | .264 | 3.9 | 2 | 0.1 | Anthony Lewis |
| Dane Myers | .246 | .293 | .371 | 81 | .126 | .325 | 3.9 | -1 | 0.1 | Hubie Brooks |
| Gage Workman | .208 | .253 | .347 | 63 | .140 | .282 | 3.2 | 3 | 0.1 | Matthew Brown |
| Harold Castro | .275 | .299 | .358 | 80 | .083 | .344 | 3.9 | -5 | 0.1 | Scott Livingstone |
| Jacob Robson | .235 | .318 | .361 | 86 | .126 | .349 | 4.1 | -3 | 0.0 | Cesar Geronimo |
| Jake Holton | .226 | .301 | .350 | 78 | .124 | .277 | 3.6 | 2 | 0.0 | Bryan Peck |
| Drew Ward | .210 | .280 | .383 | 80 | .173 | .301 | 3.6 | 2 | 0.0 | Paul Hollins |
| Juan Centeno | .242 | .291 | .313 | 66 | .070 | .280 | 3.3 | -2 | 0.0 | Hector Ortiz |
| Derek Hill | .235 | .287 | .348 | 73 | .113 | .332 | 3.5 | -2 | -0.2 | Chris Roberson |
| Miguel Cabrera | .248 | .304 | .374 | 85 | .126 | .299 | 4.1 | -3 | -0.3 | Walt Dropo |
| Grayson Greiner | .198 | .269 | .302 | 57 | .104 | .285 | 2.7 | -2 | -0.4 | Joe Hietpas |
| Jon Rosoff | .196 | .263 | .227 | 37 | .031 | .260 | 2.1 | 1 | -0.4 | Dave Ullery |
| Kerry Carpenter | .243 | .290 | .386 | 83 | .144 | .283 | 4.0 | -7 | -0.8 | Cameron Drew |
| Bryant Packard | .210 | .271 | .342 | 67 | .132 | .276 | 3.2 | -2 | -0.9 | Jamie Ogden |
| Christopher Proctor | .174 | .215 | .219 | 20 | .045 | .258 | 1.6 | 3 | -0.9 | Jerrey Thurston |
| Wenceel Perez | .229 | .269 | .313 | 59 | .083 | .275 | 3.1 | -3 | -0.9 | Angel Chavez |
| Brady Policelli | .199 | .255 | .328 | 58 | .129 | .255 | 2.9 | -9 | -1.1 | Luis Rodriguez |
| Reynaldo Rivera | .179 | .232 | .368 | 61 | .188 | .257 | 2.8 | -2 | -1.3 | Nate Holdren |
| Eric De La Rosa | .205 | .264 | .307 | 57 | .102 | .300 | 2.9 | -8 | -1.4 | Luis Terrero |
| Daniel Cabrera | .212 | .246 | .354 | 62 | .143 | .251 | 3.0 | -1 | -1.5 | Alex Ahumada |
| Dylan Rosa | .197 | .244 | .332 | 56 | .136 | .275 | 2.7 | -5 | -1.6 | Kris Harvey |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Eduardo Rodriguez | L | 29 | 12 | 9 | 3.47 | 30 | 29 | 160.7 | 148 | 62 | 17 | 49 | 172 | 3.40 |
| Casey Mize | R | 25 | 8 | 8 | 4.20 | 30 | 30 | 148.0 | 142 | 69 | 20 | 44 | 121 | 4.38 |
| Tarik Skubal | L | 25 | 10 | 10 | 4.25 | 31 | 29 | 148.3 | 139 | 70 | 25 | 49 | 160 | 4.35 |
| Matthew Boyd | L | 31 | 9 | 10 | 4.39 | 27 | 27 | 149.7 | 143 | 73 | 25 | 43 | 163 | 4.22 |
| Spencer Turnbull | R | 29 | 7 | 6 | 4.03 | 18 | 18 | 98.3 | 92 | 44 | 11 | 37 | 96 | 4.09 |
| Matt Manning | R | 24 | 7 | 8 | 4.59 | 26 | 26 | 121.7 | 129 | 62 | 17 | 42 | 94 | 4.61 |
| Michael Fulmer | R | 29 | 5 | 5 | 4.28 | 39 | 10 | 75.7 | 75 | 36 | 11 | 26 | 73 | 4.33 |
| Garrett Hill | R | 26 | 4 | 5 | 4.66 | 19 | 19 | 83.0 | 84 | 43 | 10 | 39 | 71 | 4.63 |
| Beau Brieske | R | 24 | 6 | 7 | 4.75 | 21 | 20 | 94.7 | 100 | 50 | 15 | 29 | 74 | 4.75 |
| Paul Richan | R | 25 | 4 | 5 | 4.56 | 15 | 15 | 71.0 | 77 | 36 | 9 | 19 | 50 | 4.39 |
| Julio Teheran | R | 31 | 6 | 8 | 5.01 | 25 | 25 | 124.0 | 115 | 69 | 23 | 61 | 108 | 5.54 |
| Mark Leiter Jr. | R | 31 | 7 | 8 | 4.79 | 24 | 15 | 92.0 | 95 | 49 | 15 | 31 | 83 | 4.64 |
| Tyler Alexander | L | 27 | 6 | 7 | 4.86 | 28 | 16 | 107.3 | 121 | 58 | 20 | 24 | 83 | 4.87 |
| Alex Faedo | R | 26 | 5 | 6 | 4.92 | 18 | 18 | 86.0 | 92 | 47 | 18 | 23 | 78 | 5.06 |
| Wily Peralta | R | 33 | 4 | 5 | 4.90 | 26 | 17 | 86.3 | 88 | 47 | 12 | 41 | 64 | 5.07 |
| Drew Hutchison | R | 31 | 6 | 8 | 5.06 | 25 | 19 | 101.3 | 108 | 57 | 16 | 43 | 79 | 5.06 |
| Reese Olson | R | 22 | 6 | 8 | 5.13 | 22 | 21 | 98.3 | 103 | 56 | 12 | 52 | 73 | 5.05 |
| Gregory Soto | L | 27 | 4 | 4 | 4.21 | 65 | 0 | 62.0 | 51 | 29 | 7 | 38 | 76 | 4.13 |
| Ricardo Pinto 핀토 | R | 28 | 7 | 10 | 5.20 | 24 | 17 | 109.0 | 120 | 63 | 16 | 45 | 76 | 5.10 |
| José Cisnero | R | 33 | 4 | 4 | 4.27 | 62 | 0 | 59.0 | 53 | 28 | 7 | 31 | 61 | 4.43 |
| Alex Lange | R | 26 | 5 | 6 | 4.83 | 44 | 8 | 76.3 | 75 | 41 | 9 | 42 | 72 | 4.67 |
| Jose Urena | R | 30 | 4 | 6 | 5.16 | 33 | 15 | 90.7 | 98 | 52 | 15 | 36 | 66 | 5.20 |
| Derek Holland | L | 35 | 3 | 4 | 4.94 | 36 | 8 | 74.7 | 75 | 41 | 13 | 32 | 76 | 4.81 |
| Zac Houston | R | 27 | 2 | 3 | 4.42 | 29 | 1 | 36.7 | 33 | 18 | 5 | 20 | 39 | 4.63 |
| Angel De Jesus | R | 25 | 4 | 4 | 4.57 | 45 | 2 | 63.0 | 60 | 32 | 7 | 35 | 61 | 4.50 |
| Ian Krol | L | 31 | 1 | 1 | 4.47 | 39 | 1 | 44.3 | 43 | 22 | 6 | 20 | 41 | 4.58 |
| Jacob Barnes | R | 32 | 2 | 2 | 4.36 | 44 | 0 | 43.3 | 42 | 21 | 6 | 18 | 44 | 4.33 |
| Nivaldo Rodriguez | R | 25 | 3 | 5 | 5.28 | 27 | 12 | 76.7 | 82 | 45 | 13 | 35 | 54 | 5.58 |
| Franklin Pérez | R | 24 | 1 | 1 | 5.56 | 6 | 5 | 22.7 | 25 | 14 | 3 | 13 | 16 | 5.34 |
| Will Vest | R | 27 | 3 | 3 | 4.60 | 51 | 0 | 58.7 | 61 | 30 | 7 | 24 | 47 | 4.51 |
| Joe Jimenez | R | 27 | 4 | 4 | 4.62 | 58 | 0 | 50.7 | 44 | 26 | 8 | 26 | 62 | 4.68 |
| Ethan DeCaster | R | 27 | 1 | 2 | 4.83 | 28 | 1 | 41.0 | 43 | 22 | 6 | 15 | 32 | 4.77 |
| Buck Farmer | R | 31 | 3 | 3 | 4.65 | 61 | 0 | 60.0 | 59 | 31 | 9 | 28 | 56 | 4.86 |
| Erasmo Ramirez | R | 32 | 3 | 4 | 5.40 | 23 | 10 | 66.7 | 73 | 40 | 12 | 21 | 46 | 5.22 |
| Kyle Funkhouser | R | 28 | 5 | 7 | 5.15 | 45 | 8 | 73.3 | 72 | 42 | 11 | 44 | 70 | 5.14 |
| Drew Carlton | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.82 | 40 | 1 | 56.0 | 60 | 30 | 9 | 17 | 42 | 4.84 |
| Brad Bass | R | 26 | 3 | 4 | 5.29 | 27 | 7 | 66.3 | 73 | 39 | 10 | 29 | 49 | 5.15 |
| Joe Navilhon | R | 28 | 3 | 4 | 4.83 | 38 | 1 | 59.7 | 63 | 32 | 10 | 21 | 50 | 4.89 |
| Nolan Blackwood | R | 27 | 3 | 4 | 4.87 | 40 | 1 | 61.0 | 66 | 33 | 8 | 25 | 43 | 4.85 |
| Billy Lescher | R | 26 | 1 | 2 | 5.13 | 30 | 1 | 40.3 | 43 | 23 | 7 | 16 | 34 | 5.16 |
| Logan Shore | R | 27 | 4 | 6 | 5.70 | 19 | 17 | 77.3 | 88 | 49 | 14 | 31 | 52 | 5.55 |
| Miguel Del Pozo | L | 29 | 2 | 3 | 4.96 | 43 | 0 | 45.3 | 45 | 25 | 7 | 22 | 46 | 4.75 |
| Wladimir Pinto | R | 24 | 3 | 4 | 5.23 | 39 | 3 | 53.3 | 53 | 31 | 8 | 32 | 51 | 5.19 |
| Chavez Fernander | R | 24 | 2 | 2 | 5.37 | 32 | 4 | 53.7 | 58 | 32 | 8 | 27 | 37 | 5.42 |
| Jason Foley | R | 26 | 1 | 2 | 5.08 | 43 | 0 | 44.3 | 47 | 25 | 6 | 22 | 34 | 5.16 |
| Chance Kirby | R | 26 | 4 | 7 | 5.76 | 18 | 14 | 75.0 | 88 | 48 | 14 | 28 | 45 | 5.73 |
| Ruben Garcia | R | 25 | 2 | 2 | 5.06 | 37 | 0 | 53.3 | 53 | 30 | 7 | 32 | 46 | 5.13 |
| Rony García | R | 24 | 2 | 3 | 6.00 | 17 | 8 | 48.0 | 53 | 32 | 11 | 21 | 41 | 5.89 |
| Joey Wentz | L | 24 | 3 | 5 | 5.86 | 20 | 20 | 78.3 | 85 | 51 | 15 | 44 | 64 | 5.87 |
| Cale Coshow | R | 29 | 2 | 3 | 5.28 | 31 | 0 | 44.3 | 47 | 26 | 7 | 22 | 38 | 5.21 |
| Pedro Payano | R | 27 | 6 | 9 | 5.76 | 24 | 23 | 109.3 | 120 | 70 | 18 | 59 | 81 | 5.62 |
| Elvin Rodriguez | R | 24 | 4 | 7 | 5.89 | 21 | 20 | 84.0 | 95 | 55 | 16 | 37 | 61 | 5.70 |
| Henry Martinez | R | 28 | 3 | 5 | 5.23 | 41 | 0 | 53.3 | 57 | 31 | 9 | 25 | 42 | 5.37 |
| Jesus Rodriguez | R | 24 | 4 | 7 | 5.83 | 24 | 20 | 100.3 | 120 | 65 | 19 | 38 | 58 | 5.80 |
| Yaya Chentouf | R | 25 | 5 | 6 | 5.20 | 39 | 0 | 62.3 | 70 | 36 | 8 | 27 | 40 | 5.06 |
| Zack Hess | R | 25 | 3 | 4 | 5.48 | 43 | 0 | 47.7 | 49 | 29 | 7 | 32 | 41 | 5.57 |
| Bryan Garcia | R | 27 | 2 | 4 | 5.61 | 58 | 0 | 61.0 | 67 | 38 | 11 | 31 | 46 | 5.64 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Eduardo Rodriguez | 9.6 | 2.7 | 1.0 | 7.3% | 25.6% | .305 | 123 | 82 | 3.3 | John Candelaria |
| Casey Mize | 7.4 | 2.7 | 1.2 | 7.0% | 19.3% | .281 | 101 | 99 | 1.9 | Denny McLain |
| Tarik Skubal | 9.7 | 3.0 | 1.5 | 7.8% | 25.4% | .293 | 100 | 100 | 1.8 | Jeff Francis |
| Matt Boyd | 9.8 | 2.6 | 1.5 | 6.8% | 25.7% | .299 | 97 | 103 | 1.6 | Floyd Bannister |
| Spencer Turnbull | 8.8 | 3.4 | 1.0 | 8.7% | 22.5% | .297 | 106 | 95 | 1.5 | Jason Schmidt |
| Matt Manning | 7.0 | 3.1 | 1.3 | 7.9% | 17.7% | .299 | 93 | 108 | 1.1 | Ramiro Mendoza |
| Michael Fulmer | 8.7 | 3.1 | 1.3 | 8.0% | 22.3% | .300 | 99 | 101 | 0.8 | Tim Crews |
| Garrett Hill | 7.7 | 4.2 | 1.1 | 10.5% | 19.1% | .301 | 91 | 110 | 0.7 | Randy Bockus |
| Beau Brieske | 7.0 | 2.8 | 1.4 | 7.1% | 18.0% | .295 | 90 | 112 | 0.7 | Elizardo Ramirez |
| Paul Richan | 6.3 | 2.4 | 1.1 | 6.2% | 16.3% | .302 | 93 | 107 | 0.6 | Shawn Hill |
| Julio Teheran | 7.8 | 4.4 | 1.7 | 11.1% | 19.7% | .265 | 85 | 118 | 0.6 | Jason Isringhausen |
| Mark Leiter Jr. | 8.1 | 3.0 | 1.5 | 7.8% | 20.8% | .301 | 89 | 113 | 0.5 | Travis Smith |
| Tyler Alexander | 7.0 | 2.0 | 1.7 | 5.2% | 17.9% | .304 | 88 | 114 | 0.5 | Derek Lilliquist |
| Alex Faedo | 8.2 | 2.4 | 1.9 | 6.2% | 21.0% | .298 | 87 | 116 | 0.5 | Justin Duchscherer |
| Wily Peralta | 6.7 | 4.3 | 1.3 | 10.6% | 16.6% | .288 | 87 | 115 | 0.4 | Bill Zuber |
| Drew Hutchison | 7.0 | 3.8 | 1.4 | 9.5% | 17.5% | .298 | 84 | 119 | 0.4 | Jim Lewis |
| Reese Olson | 6.7 | 4.8 | 1.1 | 11.6% | 16.3% | .298 | 83 | 120 | 0.3 | Bill Mooneyham |
| Gregory Soto | 11.0 | 5.5 | 1.0 | 13.9% | 27.8% | .293 | 101 | 99 | 0.2 | Mitch Williams |
| Ricardo Pinto | 6.3 | 3.7 | 1.3 | 9.2% | 15.5% | .301 | 82 | 122 | 0.2 | Dennis Tankersley |
| José Cisnero | 9.3 | 4.7 | 1.1 | 11.9% | 23.4% | .291 | 100 | 100 | 0.2 | Heathcliff Slocumb |
| Alex Lange | 8.5 | 5.0 | 1.1 | 12.1% | 20.8% | .303 | 88 | 114 | 0.2 | Bill Mooneyham |
| Jose Urena | 6.6 | 3.6 | 1.5 | 8.9% | 16.4% | .294 | 82 | 121 | 0.1 | Jim Lewis |
| Derek Holland | 9.2 | 3.9 | 1.6 | 9.7% | 23.1% | .302 | 86 | 116 | 0.1 | Dan Schatzeder |
| Zac Houston | 9.6 | 4.9 | 1.2 | 12.3% | 23.9% | .289 | 96 | 104 | 0.1 | Justin Kaye |
| Angel De Jesus | 8.7 | 5.0 | 1.0 | 12.4% | 21.6% | .299 | 93 | 107 | 0.1 | Anthony Chavez |
| Ian Krol | 8.3 | 4.1 | 1.2 | 10.3% | 21.0% | .294 | 95 | 105 | 0.1 | Jamie Easterly |
| Jacob Barnes | 9.1 | 3.7 | 1.2 | 9.5% | 23.3% | .303 | 98 | 102 | 0.1 | Nate Field |
| Nivaldo Rodriguez | 6.3 | 4.1 | 1.5 | 10.1% | 15.6% | .289 | 81 | 124 | 0.0 | Jeff Bettendorf |
| Franklin Perez | 6.4 | 5.2 | 1.2 | 12.4% | 15.2% | .306 | 77 | 131 | 0.0 | Darren Holmes |
| Will Vest | 7.2 | 3.7 | 1.1 | 9.2% | 18.1% | .302 | 92 | 108 | -0.1 | Blaine Neal |
| Joe Jimenez | 11.0 | 4.6 | 1.4 | 11.6% | 27.6% | .293 | 92 | 109 | -0.1 | Bo Donaldson |
| Ethan DeCaster | 7.0 | 3.3 | 1.3 | 8.3% | 17.8% | .296 | 88 | 113 | -0.1 | Jeremy Ward |
| Buck Farmer | 8.4 | 4.2 | 1.4 | 10.5% | 21.0% | .294 | 92 | 109 | -0.1 | David Lee |
| Erasmo Ramirez | 6.2 | 2.8 | 1.6 | 7.2% | 15.8% | .290 | 79 | 127 | -0.1 | Sam Arrington |
| Kyle Funkhouser | 8.6 | 5.4 | 1.4 | 13.2% | 21.0% | .296 | 83 | 121 | -0.1 | Dennis Sarfate |
| Drew Carlton | 6.8 | 2.7 | 1.4 | 7.0% | 17.2% | .295 | 88 | 113 | -0.1 | Jim Willoughby |
| Brad Bass | 6.6 | 3.9 | 1.4 | 9.7% | 16.3% | .303 | 80 | 124 | -0.1 | Chuck Crumpton |
| Joe Navilhon | 7.5 | 3.2 | 1.5 | 8.0% | 19.1% | .298 | 88 | 113 | -0.1 | Luis Andujar |
| Nolan Blackwood | 6.3 | 3.7 | 1.2 | 9.2% | 15.8% | .301 | 87 | 114 | -0.2 | Justin Huisman |
| Billy Lescher | 7.6 | 3.6 | 1.6 | 8.9% | 18.9% | .300 | 83 | 121 | -0.2 | John Costello |
| Logan Shore | 6.1 | 3.6 | 1.6 | 8.9% | 14.9% | .298 | 75 | 134 | -0.2 | Juan Sandoval |
| Miguel Del Pozo | 9.1 | 4.4 | 1.4 | 10.9% | 22.8% | .304 | 86 | 117 | -0.2 | Ben Julianel |
| Wladimir Pinto | 8.6 | 5.4 | 1.4 | 13.1% | 20.9% | .300 | 81 | 123 | -0.2 | Greg Coppeta |
| Chavez Fernander | 6.2 | 4.5 | 1.3 | 11.0% | 15.1% | .294 | 79 | 126 | -0.3 | Timothy Burton |
| Jason Foley | 6.9 | 4.5 | 1.2 | 10.8% | 16.7% | .299 | 84 | 119 | -0.3 | Greg Bauer |
| Chance Kirby | 5.4 | 3.4 | 1.7 | 8.2% | 13.2% | .298 | 74 | 135 | -0.3 | Mike Hinckley |
| Ruben Garcia | 7.8 | 5.4 | 1.2 | 13.1% | 18.9% | .295 | 84 | 119 | -0.3 | Daniel Foli |
| Rony García | 7.7 | 3.9 | 2.1 | 9.7% | 19.0% | .298 | 71 | 141 | -0.3 | Brent Knackert |
| Joey Wentz | 7.4 | 5.1 | 1.7 | 12.2% | 17.7% | .298 | 73 | 138 | -0.4 | Bobby Seay |
| Cale Coshow | 7.7 | 4.5 | 1.4 | 10.9% | 18.8% | .303 | 81 | 124 | -0.4 | Felix Romero |
| Pedro Payano | 6.7 | 4.9 | 1.5 | 11.7% | 16.0% | .299 | 74 | 135 | -0.4 | Brad Kaufman |
| Elvin Rodriguez | 6.5 | 4.0 | 1.7 | 9.7% | 15.9% | .299 | 72 | 138 | -0.4 | Donne Wall |
| Henry Martinez | 7.1 | 4.2 | 1.5 | 10.4% | 17.4% | .296 | 81 | 123 | -0.4 | Nate Field |
| Jesus Rodriguez | 5.2 | 3.4 | 1.7 | 8.3% | 12.7% | .301 | 73 | 137 | -0.5 | Fredy Deza |
| Yaya Chentouf | 5.8 | 3.9 | 1.2 | 9.5% | 14.1% | .304 | 82 | 122 | -0.5 | Rich DeLosSantos |
| Zack Hess | 7.7 | 6.0 | 1.3 | 14.3% | 18.3% | .298 | 78 | 129 | -0.5 | Greg Coppeta |
| Bryan Garcia | 6.8 | 4.6 | 1.6 | 11.2% | 16.5% | .298 | 76 | 132 | -0.7 | Martin Rivas |
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The name “Other Frank Thomas” made me laugh.
Only logged in to type the same thing. Hilarious.
Ruben Mateo as the comp for Nomar Mazara is particularly fitting as two failed Rangers OF prospects.
I’m convinced Andrew Heaney is the pitching analog to Nomar Mazara
The wild card here is Matt Manning, who last offseason was probably the best pitching prospect in baseball but who looked absolutely terrible after getting called up. Usually when you have a guy with 2-3 plus pitches and above average command who strikes out more than a batter per inning in the minors you feel pretty good about his chances in the majors. But he couldn’t strike guys out and got rocked to an xERA well over 5. He’s projected as a fifth starter here but he’s the one guy here who has a chance to dramatically outperform his forecast.
Yo, I was also a little skeptical about the statement that he “is at least a respectable fourth/fifth starter with upside.” I guess the bar for respectability as a 4/5 is pretty low, so that might be correct, but god golly miss molly he was bad and I didn’t see a lot to be dreaming on. The stuff just looked way worse than I expected for such a hyped prospect (I never watched him in the minors, so my first looks we’re in mlb). The fastball was super blah. I thought the curveball was supposed to be his big weapon and he barely threw it in mlb. The command didn’t look good. All that showed up in the results with a very poor K rate backed up by a lack of swings and misses.
I don’t know wtf happened, but I have a hard time believing that what I saw at the major league level was consistent with what people saw in the minors. The only positive that I saw is that he does indeed appear highly athletic with a good frame. Hopefully for his sake and the tigers, he comes out this year with some significant changes.
He looked like a totally different pitcher after COVID wiped out 2020. I don’t know whether he’ll ever get back to where he was before, but he’s the only one who I think has significant untapped upside.
He’s projected as a one win guy in 2022, which itself would be a pretty big improvement over last year. His FIP isn’t a good representation of his performance because he gave up a lot of hard contact without giving up much in the way of home runs. But a guy in the 1-2 win range…that’s more or less a fifth starter. If he can do that, he’ll keep getting chances.
He reportedly lost a lot of weight after a bout of COVID coming into 2021 and almost every start he seemed to have zero confidence in anything but his fastball. There was one or two starts where he had one of the breaking balls working and you could see the potential. He also can throw a nasty changeup every once in a great while. I would not want to count on him as a lock for the opening day rotation though. Hopefully they get another starter and have him compete with Alexander for the fifth spot in Spring.
Manning is still very young. I thought he was up a bit early last year. The defense behind him was very bad (look at ERA vs FIP its more than a run) and that matters more to young pitchers’ confidence. He has a better game calling catcher with decent framing metrics, and much better defense behind him this season. Those should help his confidence. I expect a decent improvement in his era, and for what it is worth, I would bet a bit better on the numbers listed here (low 4s).
To further emphasize my point on the defense, if you go under the team stats and click on fielding, the Tigers were the worst defensive team in baseball last year by a fairly wide margin. That had to make Manning look much worse than he really was. To a young pitcher who is still unsure he belongs in MLB, bad defense really hurts the confidence. Although this will not be a great defensive team, adding Baez and Barnhart and moving Schoop back to second will make it better. That helps Manning a bunch.
Not buying bad defense as a reason for Manning’s struggles whatsoever. His expected stats were all awful. He gave up a ton of hard contact and didn’t miss any bats. He could have played for the Cardinals and had a horrid season last year. Not saying he can’t have a good 2022, but he needs to make some drastic improvements.
It’s not the sole reason, but it was a big factor. FIP was more than a run less. That’s big! On the other hand, a 4.65 FIP is not a good pitcher. But he is very young. It’s far too soon to worry. if you want a modern similar guy, go look at Golito. He is an ACE now, but it took time. He started with a dreadful defense behind him as well.
xERA was 5.48. His wOBA allowed was actually lower than his xWOBA. His sierra was 5.27. FIP seems like a cherry pick.
The only reason Manning got called up when he did was because Detroit was desperate for anyone capable of providing innings after half of their OD rotation (Turnbull, Boyd, Teheran) went down, and Manning was their only option on the 40 man. His Triple-A ERA was over 8 at the time!
Also, if I’m shopping for the Tigers, I’m probably more interested in hitters at this point. The lineup is fine, but it’s not especially dangerous. They could also use a couple of guys who can get on base a lot (part of the reason I’m sure they checked in on Carlos Correa) but except for Conforto and Correa (and Freeman, I guess) those guys are all gone now. Conforto seems like he might fit, but maybe they just wait next year for someone like Nimmo?
The guy I’m most surprised at is Riley Greene, but I think that’s because he’s being projected as a center fielder. If he is a credible CF then he’s obviously way more valuable than if he hangs out in right field. The Tigers had big holes at shortstop and CF before the offseason began and Baez solves one as long as his magic keeps working. If Greene can function in center he solves another, but I’m skeptical. I think they’re one of many teams who should be interested in Manuel Margot next year (or even trading for him now), who is stretched a bit offensively as an everyday guy but would give them another piece to put in there with Greene and Baddoo. Or Kike Hernandez, if he keeps playing CF well.
It would be nice if Paredes could fill a Martin Prado multiposition table-setter role, but unlike Prado there’s no chance of Paredes playing in the OF. If they’re OK with Greene in CF then maybe they work on having Tork or Candelario able to play some LF to open up an IF corner for Paredes, but other than that I agree the only alternative is to find a good OF bat, preferably one who could handle CF.
Having Greene in CF and then having Tork or Candelario in LF sounds awful. It’s one thing if you had Greene in CF and Nimmo in a corner but those guys are not covering much ground out there.
Paredes would inspire a lot more confidence if he could either play defense or hit, because you could figure the other one might come around. But he can’t do either. I think they’re probably looking for a second baseman as soon as Schoop’s contract is up.
I think that if they got someone like Margot (who they could probably trade for now and extend) they would have enough pieces between Margot, Baddoo, and Greene that you could get by with a strong platoon partner for Margot or a guy that could play everyday in a corner (like Conforto) and let you move Baddoo around a bit. Although they probably don’t need an everyday guy in a corner now since Greene and Tork haven’t gotten their feet wet and Grossman is perfectly serviceable.
I do think Paredes’ bat will come around soon – worry about his physique going full Panda, but perhaps needs to go to a rebuilding team as a lottery ticket to get the reps to get over the hump.
I like Conforto as a fit if they can get him without breaking the bank. Not sure what they could offer the Rays that would work for Margot – maybe Cameron plus some low minor league flyers would do it, if the Rays are ready to plug Josh Lowe into Margot’s roster slot.
I think they’re probably hoping to move both Margot and Kiermaier, since they’re both a bit more expensive than they like and they’re going to be free agents soon. They main thing they’ll be looking for is someone who won’t need 40-man protection anytime soon. With only one year left, they’ll probably get someone like Colt Keith (or Daniel Cabrera, if they still think he’s got promise, but I’m doubtful).
Margot over Derek Hil, Daz Cameron or Victor Reyes in a part time role is what a 1 win upgrade? And at Arb3 prices. I don’t see them even giving up Colt Keith for that. I barely even see Margot as a fit. I think they plan to give Baddoo one more year as a CF and are going to line up Grossman, Baddoo, Greene left to right most days next year with one of Daz, Hill, or Reyes as the backup. If they add another OF I think they would need someone with a significant bat.
Exactly. I don’t get the OF talk. They’re not going to block Baddoo or Greene. Grossman is going to start in LF & they have 3 guys to cover 4th-5th OF in Daz/Hill/Reyes.
Baddoo put up an above average line as a 22 year old with 0 AB’s above A Ball & only 117 PA since 2018. There is a non-zero chance that his D improves with some seasoning, he has the raw skills, need to work on routes, etc.
Worst case Baddoo/Greene are slightly below average CF/above average RF..Do they cover each other some?
If they spend $$, it should be on the bullpen or get a starter.
@Vinnie/@PC – good point on the CF options. Baddoo still has room to develop (reminder – he has just one year above A ball) and is one backup plan for Greene in center. The other is Daz, whose minor league career seems to have followed the Cedric Mullins process (struggle in first year at a level, but rocks it when repeating a level). The Tigers are in a bit of a pickle with Daz’s development (as with Paredes) – they can’t afford any growing pains if they’re in a win-now mode, but they might be selling low if they move him for some immediate help.
They have a bunch of guys like that- You already mentioned Daz & Paredes. Willi Castro is another. Derek Hill is another.
The benefit of having a guy like Margot is that he can play center field, something which may not be true for Baddoo and probably isn’t true for Greene. But I do think they might be able to get away with a marginal center fielder if they have guys with good ranges in left and right, so if they got a guy like Tyler O’Neill (who is definitely not available) or Austin Hayes or Brandon Nimmo in left and had Greene in right they could probably get away with Baddoo in center field. With Grossman-Baddoo-Greene, you’re probably looking at a lot of balls falling in the gaps. That’s probably fine this year, but not in 2023.
So in an ideal world, they’d give Baddoo another year in CF, hope he improves enough against lefties and in CF to be a long-term solution there, and then pursue another outfielder once Grossman’s contract is up (and Margot if Baddoo still can’t hit lefties). The ideal person is probably someone like Brandon Nimmo who has good range for a corner, and who is an on-base machine that would let them stick Baez closer to the end of the lineup than the beginning. But who knows if they could even get him.
That’s what I’m thinking. I think this off-season, you don’t add OF. You use 2022 to see what you have & then make a decision next offseason.
Hell, maybe Daz can be their “Margot” or Hill takes a step. Is it likely? Maybe not, but, it’s worth a shot before blocking them
@sad – on using Tork or Candelario in LF, I forgot that the Tigers already have a “WTF” left-field trainee with actual MLB experience in Haase. Though I see Haase as a less glovely version of Zunino, so deploying him in LF or as a DH really depends on whether or not he’s having a “good Zunino” season at the plate.
I thought Detroit would try harder for Marte than it appeared.
Nimmo said he’d be very willing to talk extension with the Mets late in the year and Andy Martino of Sny says Mets wanna extend Nimmo after the lockout so hopefully they work something out. I do agree that Conforto would be a good fit for the Tigers.
Pretty tidy that Candelario got a Travis Fryman comp for this year. I’m sure the Tigers would be thrilled if his tenure with them works out that way.
I also liked the Casey Mize/Denny McClain comp. Mize over/under on wins this year is 31, right?
Just stay away from the gambling & booze, Casey.
Fry-man had a helluva career. Not quite as good as Meatwad, but we all can’t be that good.
what about Shake Bieber
I am very optimistic about Gregory Soto and Fulmer next year out of the bullpen. I also like what I saw out of Lange to end the year. The pen could definitely use a couple good arms, but I am not optimistic that is really priority for the FO. I think they are probably just going to roll with what they got and hope to hit on a couple reclamation projects. Also, he is kind of a forgotten man at this point, but I actually think Paredes looks quite decent defensively at 2B. He has a chance to provide some OBP to this offense.
Given how volatile reliever performance is from year to year, and how lots of pitchers can’t handle a starter’s workload for one reason or another, I’m not sure it’s the kind of thing you want to go spending huge money on unless you’re a good bet for the playoffs and want to improve your chances once you’re there. I think that they’re probably looking at things like a reunion with Daniel Norris or seeing if they can fix any number of talented guys who have struggled lately (Gsellman, Archie Bradley, and Jace Fry being the ones who come to mind).
Wow the tigers have a bunch of strong future coaching and management talents based on player comps. Joe Girardi, Bob Melvin, Dave Martinez re big names in management. But Geren just interviewed for a manager’s job. Gary Matthews coached a bit. I’m sure there is more
Joe Kelly would be an effective, positively-charged, pink goo of the Detroit Bullpen Waste Disposal System
+1 for the Olde English Ds in the gfx!
Came here to say this!
The Pirates have a Manning only his last name is Keller. Same story…
I have much less faith in Keller.
Some interesting comps! I would like to see a few Moseby, Fryman, Davis, McLain, Candyman peak WAR seasons.
Would love to see Paredes find 471 PA as well.
It’s a fun time to be a Tigers fan
Am I the only Neelix Apologist who reads FanGraphs?
I mean Neelix/Kes was gross, absolutely. But Ethan Phillips got some pathos…
Ethan Phillips did a great job. I just hated the writing for Neelix.
He was a smarmy little douche. He was insinuating himself in *everything*, assuming authority in all situations, bossing ensigns and the like around. When he had that stupid little Fanfare magazine-esque morning show on Voyager, I was sad when Michael Jonas *didn’t* successfully kill him.
This inspired me to look up the most hated characters in Star Trek history, and Wesley Crusher pops up as #1 on this list I’m reading. The next 8 are all Enterprise or Voyager. Soooo I’m guessing I didn’t miss much then with those two shows.
Dan, did you consider giving Nomar Mazara an elite projection just to screw with the universe only to retract it a couple of days later?