John Means, Potential Trade Target

John Means is the best pitcher on the Baltimore Orioles. In a different world, that might be exciting to Baltimore fans as the team builds a contender. An 11th round draft pick in 2014, Means climbed the minor league ladder, burst into the majors with a 3.60 ERA in 2019, and started throwing harder over the subsequent years. Can he be the best pitcher on a playoff team? I’m skeptical. But can he be the third-best? Definitely, and that’s a really cool outcome for someone who was never supposed to make it this far.

Of course, modern baseball being what it is, Means likely won’t be on the next playoff team in Baltimore. Instead, he’ll probably get traded for whatever the O’s can get, because he’s arbitration-eligible and only three years from free agency. You don’t build generational team wealth by passing up the opportunity to trade your good players for future considerations, at least not the way Baltimore is attempting to build for the future. The team is reportedly looking to trade Means, and I think they’ll find a match. So let’s talk about what the team that wins the Means bidding will be getting for their prospects and salary relief.

If you trade for Means, you’re not doing it for the strikeouts. You could look at his career numbers to tell you that, or you could look at his performance in his last 14 starts after returning from an IL stint. He struck out only 20% of the batters he faced, which isn’t cover-your-eyes bad but definitely shouldn’t top your rotation.

You’re not doing it to stifle home runs, either: some pitchers suppress home runs, but it’s safe to say that Means isn’t one of them. He’s a fly ball pitcher without huge swing-and-miss stuff. Combine that with the homer-friendly confines of Camden Yards, and you get a 1.84 HR/9, the 11th-highest mark among starters last year.

No, if you trade for John Means, you’re doing it for three reasons. First, he doesn’t walk anyone. He finished fourth among starters with 100 innings pitched last year with a 4.4% walk rate. If you never surrender any free passes, homers are less devastating – and again, that’s important for Means, even if leaving Baltimore will tamp down on the homers somewhat.

Second, you’d be acquiring him for the popups. That sounds silly, because popups are just batters making mistakes. Only, Means was first among starters in popups per batted ball last year. He was first in pop ups per plate appearance, too, in case you were worried about the denominator being weird. Since 2019, his first full season in the majors, he’s first among starters in both categories (Caleb Smith edges him out, but partially as a reliever). Popups are near-automatic outs, and Means gets more of them than anyone else.

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Lastly, the team trading for Means would be acquiring him because they think they can make him better. The building blocks of a great pitcher are there, as strange as that sounds to say. It’s just a matter of working with Means to emphasize what’s best, while hopefully limiting his weak points simultaneously.

I’m writing this article, so I’m clearly on the Means bandwagon. I’m not claiming he’s a top-10 pitcher in baseball, but I think that an enterprising team could turn a line that’s already solid into an excellent number two starter. Like many players in the game, it boils down to one thing – don’t throw your fastball so much – but hey, we’ve got time. Let’s take a meandering tour of his stuff before getting to that conclusion.

Against lefties, Means is a bully. He relies mainly on his fastball and slider, but he mixes in his curve and changeup roughly 10% of the time each. The result is a phenomenally uncomfortable at-bat, because they all seem to come out of his hand with the same spin:

This presents hitters with quite the dilemma. The slider is a strange one – the least drop of any lefty slider and also less horizontal break than average. It’s almost a cutter – strip out the effects of gravity, and the pitch actually rises nearly six inches on its flight homeward. His fastball? It’s one of the best in the game when it comes to vertical movement. The pitch breaks downward by less than a foot on its path home. Exactly one pitcher in all of baseball – Demarcus Evans – has a slower fastball that drops less. Means gets top-tier rise, in other words.

That two-pitch combination comes out of his hand at roughly the same release point and spin direction. Then, they diverge and the slider dips precipitously on a relative basis. His delivery makes that slider play up – Means is short and upright when he throws, which gives his pitches meaningful downward tilt. That’s not ideal for his fastball – it averaged a -6.9 degree vertical approach angle this year, in the awkward middle where angle doesn’t appear to have much impact on swinging strikes. But it benefits the slider, which looks very strange by the time it crosses the plate.

The slider doesn’t have much innate vertical movement, as we already covered. But by throwing it from such a high initial position, Means creates a natural high-to-low path, independent of the spin he imparts on the ball. The ball is descending quite rapidly (-8.3 degree VAA) when it crosses the plate. When he locates it just off the plate low, it’s even steeper on average: -9.1 degrees. Those steep negative angles create plenty of whiffs despite middling break, which explains how Means gets average slider results despite unimpressive measurables on the pitch. When he drops in a curveball, it’s an even steeper downward break. Lefties either take it or flail.

If I were a team acquiring Means, I wouldn’t change a thing about how he handles lefties. I might look into his behavior against righties, though. There, Means simplifies his arsenal: he throws roughly 50% fastballs, 30% changeups, and 20% curveballs, with his slider nowhere to be found. That lets him feature his stellar changeup, but I’m not in love with the way he mixes the pitches.

See, despite its rising nature, his fastball isn’t a true swing-and-miss pitch. It’s roughly league average in terms of contact rate despite being 99th percentile when it comes to vertical movement. It’s likely because of the vertical approach angle – up in the zone where Means likes to throw, you want a flat-angle fastball rather than his downward-tilted one – but whatever the cause, the upshot is that when Means throws his fastball while up in the count, he’s courting disaster.

Early in the count, letting your opponent put the ball in play isn’t the end of the world. Sure, it’s risky, but they might foul it off or make an out. Also, a ball in play is more valuable than the average at-bat, but not by a huge margin. League-wide non-pitcher wOBA was .314 this year, while wOBA on contact was .370. If you give up contact early in the count, or in a hitter’s count, you’re letting your opponent go from an okay situation to a slightly better one. Means might give up a lot of homers, but he also collects a pile of popups, so his overall contact quality is roughly average.

In a pitcher’s count, the math is far different. Consider a 1-2 count. After reaching a 1-2 count, hitters produced a .225 wOBA in 2021. Letting them get from that baseline to putting a ball in play is the worst possible case. You’re pretty likely to strike someone out in a 1-2 count. A ball in play is far better for the hitter than a strikeout, obviously, which is why pitchers work so hard to avoid contact.

Throwing a pitch the hitter takes for a ball isn’t great either, of course. Here’s a junk stat, but one that I think explains Means’s occasional struggles with righties: 62.1% of the fastballs he threw to right-handers while up in the count were either taken for a ball or put into play. That’s the highest mark in baseball among lefties. In other words, no one in baseball gets bad outcomes more often when throwing a fastball in a pitcher’s count.

It seems to me that Means is in his own head a bit. He knows, naturally enough, that it’s bad to let a batter put a fastball in play when they’re behind in the count. The problem is, batters mostly don’t swing at fastballs outside the zone, and Means misses a lot when he goes to the heater. He threw 309 fastballs to righties in 0-1, 0-2, and 1-2 counts last year. Two-hundred of them went for balls. Heck, this is just a problem overall, not against righties: no pitcher in baseball missed the zone more frequently with their fastball in pitcher’s counts.

Against lefties, that’s not the end of the world. Means could subtract some fastballs there, but he’s doing well enough as is. Against righties, when he’s already at a natural disadvantage, feeding them so many fastballs – and again, they’re mostly balls or balls in play – is eroding what should be an edge for him. He has a devastating changeup and usable curve. Given that, he probably shouldn’t have the second-highest fastball percentage (ahead in the count, lefty pitchers vs. righties) in baseball, trailing only Robbie Ray.

I can somewhat understand why Means is interested in his fastball, or at least why people want him to throw it when he’s ahead in the count. Riding four-seamers are swing-and-miss pitches, and Means gets more ride than nearly anyone else in baseball. But thanks to his high release point, he doesn’t miss as many bats with the pitch as you’d hope.

If I traded for Means, I’d give him one simple directive: stop throwing fastballs to righties when you’re ahead in the count. He threw 264 two-strike fastballs to righties last year. He got strikeouts on 15.2% of those, better only than Keegan Akin. Meanwhile, 22.5% of his changeups and 20% of his curveballs finished the job. At the same time, more of his fastballs went for called balls than either of his secondary pitches. There was essentially no metric where you’d prefer fastballs in these counts that should work in Means’s favor. Despite that, he threw them all the time. You’d be hard-pressed to find a less congruous mix of pitch effectiveness and pitch selection.

So that’s it! Nearly 2,000 words about a solid starter on a team destined for fifth in the AL East. But hey, it’s a lockout, and I really do think that Means could be a difference maker next year. It’s easy! All you have to do is trade for him, then make him stop throwing his signature rising fastball. Fine, maybe it’s not that easy – but if you can pull it off, you might be getting a great starter instead of a just a good one.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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eph1970Member since 2025
4 years ago

I’ve only been to a couple of games at Camden Yards. I did not realize it had the highest HR park factor in MLB.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  eph1970

when it’s hot the ball really flies.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I’m generally in favor of trading anyone and everyone on your major league roster when you’ve lost 110 games but I think this is a bit of an exception. First, there’s reason to think that Means could be better, as laid out in this article. Second, he’s not especially old–he’s young enough that you could give him a deal that buys out a year of of free agency and you’d have him through his age 32 season. That’s four more years. They’re not going to be good in 2022 but they could theoretically be good in 2024 and 2025.

Third and most importantly, this team not only doesn’t have anyone to replace him (not a big deal, they lost 110 games) but they have barely any players in their system who project as starters. For a rebuilding team, this is super bad. Rodriguez is the best pitching prospect in baseball but DL Hall, Kyle Bradish, and Mike Baumann can’t throw strikes. Garrett Stallings and Kevin Smith gave up an enormous amount of hard contact in the minors as 24 year olds. At the major league level, the only other pitcher who looks like a possible long-term guy is Keegan Akin and he’s not well-served by pitching half his games in Baltimore. This leaves Kyle Brnovich and Drew Rom (who have a 40 / 45 fastballs, so they might have some difficulty) and Carter Baumler (who has not pitched yet).

I just can’t see trading John Means when they’ve got no starting pitching and no hope of any showing up. Not unless I got a haul of pitching prospects back in return. I’m looking at the sorts of teams who would maybe want him and I have a hard time imagining what they could get back. I’d probably need three pitchers back, one of whom projected as a good starter without major health concerns like Reid Detmers, Emerson Hancock, or George Kirby. I’m not convinced any team is going to do that. It’s hard to imagine any scenario where they trade Means and they come out with better pitching in 2024.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think the counterpoint here is Matt Boyd in 2019. He was a hot trade target, but the Tigers wanted a price that no one was willing to meet. Now he has very little value, just when the prospects they could’ve traded for would be ready to help open their window.

Edit:. Apparently I missed where the Tigers non-tendered Boyd. No value.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

That is well taken. The big difference is that the Tigers at that time had pitchers at several different levels in their system. The Orioles have maybe 20% of what the Tigers did back then. Also, the Tigers didn’t have the game’s best prospect about to break into the majors.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think you just focus on getting pitching prospects if you’re Baltimore and trading Means, because if they get too focused on that, they’ll limit their trade partners. Baltimore needs a bunch of good prospects at the plate and on the mound, full stop.

romorr
4 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Well, we got one. Our farm is light on pitching prospects. It’s why most people assume pitching in trades, since we target position players in the draft. 2 pitchers in the top 10, 2019, 1 pitcher in 6 rounds, 2020, 1 pitcher in the top 10, 2021.

Pretty clear we are going to load up on position players in the draft, and trade/sign pitchers in FA. We got 6 pitchers from LAA for Bundy / Iglesias.

I’m sure Elias is fine with what he’s doing. If he wants to target pitching prospects, he will, but I doubt he’d look past a better deal, he’s a GM for a reason.

David Klein
4 years ago

Last offseason Heyman said the Mets checked in on Means and the O’s said he’s not available, but a year later things have changed. Means would be a solid fit behind deGrom and Scherzer I’m not good at dreaming up trade proposals what would the Orioles look for from the Mets?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Trading for cheap, controllable starters is not exactly the current MO of the Mets’ front office. I kind of think if they want a pitcher they should be calling the A’s right now, since their guys have less team control, are more expensive, and arguably better. As long as they’re in the mood to keep handing out money, they could get someone like Bassitt or Manaea without nearly as many prospects as they’d need to give up for Means.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

I agree with ST here in that it doesn’t feel like the Mets are in that frame of mind to trade for a starter. If they did, though, it’s likely going to start with Baty or Ronny Mo.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
4 years ago

Feels like some discussion of his shoulder injury and post-comeback dropoff should have arisen here, as a higher-than-usual risk would dampen any trade enthusiasm/return

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
4 years ago

Oh man, if John Means is on the market then the O’s will hopefully cash in given some of the pitching needs out there. However, I feel bad for the O’s fans (or at least, more bad) with Jordan Lyles becoming the de facto ace if Means gets moved.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  LightenUpFG

I think someone needs to explain to the Orioles the difference between finding out what your promising young guys can do and what they’re doing now. This past year, they gave 240 innings to Matt Harvey and Jorge Lopez. I know injuries played some role in this but they only gave 210-215 innings to Keegan Akin, Bruce Zimmerman, Dean Kremer, and Zac Lowther. Some of those guys are definitely a stretch as “promising young guys” and others we now know are probably not part of the next good Orioles team, but Jordan Lyles probably has as much chance of being part of the next good Orioles team as Harvey did. They’d be better off giving yet another chance to Aaron Sanchez. Or finding a guy coming over who had some success in Japan or Korea. Or pretty much anything other than what they’re doing.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Along those lines, I notice Means has been pitching 150 innings in his 2 full seasons, barely averaging 5 innings. Is it out of early implosions or third time vulnerability?
Might he be a candidate for multi inning relief? Or bulk innings work behind openers?
I wonder what tbe Rays might make of him.

bohknowsbmore
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

“I notice Means has been pitching 150 innings in his 2 full seasons”

In 2019 he had a few relief appearances, in 2019 and 2021, he had 27 GS and 26 GS, respectively. In 2021 he was at 5.2 (~5.67) IP per start, so I’m not sure that’s “barely averaging 5 innings.” Coming back from the injury the team was careful not to let his pitch counts get too high. In 2019, he definitely had some elevated pitch counts per PA, which led to some early exits, but I believe that’s declined nearly every year thus far.

I think you’d be eroding a ton of his value in trying to use him as a multi-inning reliver. The guy just threw a no-hitter (with the lone base runner being on a dropped third strike) this past year.

eph1970Member since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Having seen Jorge Lopez demonstrate a complete lack of command, I think it’s a FO issue. If I can see it, no competent exec could miss it.

jbiglen498
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

At some point you need an arm to eat major league innings. That’s all Lyles or Harvey is.

I disagree completely w/ the O’s not giving the young guys a chance last year. They did give them innings. The ones who didn’t get a ton of big league innings also sucked in the minors.

Kremer was lit up in 13 starts. Akin got 17 and was largely ineffective. Lowther was bad in AAA and in mostly in his 10 appearances. Wells was lit up also. Baumann doesn’t throw enough strikes to start in the bigs.

Zim showed some #5 stuff to me. He got hurt and there’s no ceiling beyond that but I think there’s a sliver of hope he can be a 2nd division #5.
Jorge Lopez actually looked like their might be hope for him out of the pen. I think in short spurts there might be something there too.

There will be plenty of opportunities this year for anybody who has promise.

Mike NMN
4 years ago

Really nice piece, especially since nothing interesting is happening in MLB right now. The O’s do seem to be on a very very long and slow arc towards relevance–or not–so I guess trading him makes sense. But the King’s Ransom part only makes sense if he can up his game in the manner you describe.

WARonEverything
4 years ago

So I read this kind of analysis and wonder – isn’t the team also seeing this when they look at how a player can be better? If so, what is keeping them from making the change(s)? Maybe as you say, “it’s not that easy” and if it is not, then I think the question is “why?” You have to think the O’s understand where he could improve. What have or haven’t they tried? Will using one of his other pitches cause a problem with that pitch? Or do they think that it will and maybe there is a reason they think this? Or maybe he just doesn’t have a good catcher/coach calling pitches, these are things I wonder about 1 week into the lock out.

eph1970Member since 2025
4 years ago

Even a barely competent catcher (like me) is going to call for a pitcher’s best pitch any time the stakes are high. So, I think the first part of your question is right. Why?

eph1970Member since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  eph1970

In a blast from the past, when asked what he would throw to a dangerous hitter on 3-2, Jim Palmer said “My fastball. It’s my best pitch.”

fjtorres
4 years ago

The O’s question is what might they get from an “improved” Means in the near term vs the out year performance of what they might get from a trade. Problem is neither option is likely to move the needle much. Lose-lose.
In that division they are in a deep hole that calls for a total teardown.
Bite the bullet and move everybody over 25 and hope to draft good collegians.

Regardless, they really need to be very active whenever the rule 5 draft comes up. Go for bulk and hail marys.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

To give you an idea of what their roster looks like right now:
1) They signed Rougned Odor to a guaranteed contract, and he’s projected as the starting second baseman.
2) They have zero catchers on their 40-man roster.
3) They signed Jordan Lyles and they are probably still rolling with Bruce Zimmermann and Zac Lowther in the rotation.

I know that the Rule 5 doesn’t have a ton of successes but it’s got to be better than Rougned Odor, Jordan Lyles, and playing without a catcher.

AlbyMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They don’t have a catcher on the 40-man because Rutschman doesn’t have to be added yet. It’s not as if they’re really without a catcher.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  Alby

They’re going to need a backup at some point.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

And if they’re going to play service time games with Rutschman then they’ll need two.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

That was my point.

Rule 5 guys you can dream on, a 30 year old MLB “never was” won’t be of much use when/if the O’s are relevant again. And with quite a few teams fscing 40-mzn crunches, there is real talent out there. Maybe not for ’22 but for 23-24. If thefe ever eas a team that could afford to “waste” 4-5 roster spots on not-ready players, it’s the ’22 O’s.
And then there’s the one-dimensional 4A types who might be useful for platoons, 5-6 innings, relay starts, or 1 inning relief. .

And then there’s the rehabbing guys that might sign a 2-3 year deal just to have an income and a place to rehab. I know the O’s are finicky about health issues, but some of those guys have higher ceilings than what fills out the upper levels of that org. Some creativity would help.

Cleveland hasn’t had an outfield for years yet Francona has generally mixed and matched platoons to at least pretend they did. At one point he had 6 guys platooning out there. But the infield and rotation was good enough to make up the difference. You don’t have to be the Dodgers to be competitive, just not be delusional.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

They probably have to pick a catcher. I think they have the first pick in the Rule 5, so that would mean they have the inside track on Blake Hunt. The only real reason to not pick him is if they decided they wanted to grab a high upside pitcher like Tahnaj Thomas or Joey Cantillo.

If either of Thomas or Cantillo is still there in Round 2, I think they take them, but I’m not sure they will be–maybe they’ll buy a pick from someone else to get them. If they don’t get Blake Hunt they might want to grab Abrahan Gutierrez or Willie MacIver. And Samad Taylor could play second base.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They’d better take Hunt.
Pitchers are easier to carry in the ‘pen for a year witbout hurting their development.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
4 years ago

I would love to see the Angels go after him. They have a glaring need in their rotation and the urgency to win now. Unfortunately the farm system is pretty bare and you hate to make that worse but they really can’t continue to waste the prime years of Trout and Ohtani. Maybe something like Bachman, Junk and Paris gets it done. That’s probably a little light but maybe they throw in a lottery ticket like Albright or Guanare to get it done.

Other teams that could make sense would be the Mariners or Rangers. The Mariners have the assets to pull off the deal. I think something centered around Hancock would make the most sense but they’ve got some good pitching depth in the upper minors in Kirby, Bush and Williamson too. The Rangers pitching rotation is putrid. A month ago I would have said it’s too early for them to push their chips in but after handing all that cash to Seager and Semien, I could say them getting in the mix. A deal centered around Winn could work.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago

Trade idea: Sixto Sanchez, Nick Neidert and Marvin Harrison for Cedric Mullins, John Means, and PTNL. Marlins get to win now. the Orioles get a rotation for 2024, and the Marlins still have plenty of pitching prospects for the future.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

heck the Marlins would have a top 3 staff this year. Means would be the 4th pitcher.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

That’s about right.
In Cleveland he might be fifth.

AlbyMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

You think the O’s should trade their two best players for an injured pitcher and two old mid-level prospects?

Oh, I just saw your handle. Nats fan indeed.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Alby

You under rate Sixto, he is the best young pitching prospect in MLB with multiple Cy Youngs potential. Plus, neither Means or Mullins will be on the next Orioles playoff team.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

That package would be way too light for the Orioles. I’m not sure if they would do that deal for Means alone. Sixto would obviously be the headliner coming back but he didn’t play all of 2021 and is coming off of shoulder surgery. That definitely has impacted his value. Harrison and Neidert are both older prospects that have just been OK in the upper minors and have struggled in their short stints at the major league level. They both just seem like org guys and have really limited upside. If the Orioles are going to deal away their two best players, both of whom are fairly young and under team control, they need to get several high upside guys in return.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

Means alone?
One older project for three younger ones?
Dunno but Miami might see it as an overpay.
If they want potential aces they’ll have to take A-ball types.

Teams are looking for pitching but that makes potential aces at AA keepers, not trade bait.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I just don’t think the O’s would be assigning much value to Harrison and Neidert. I would think both of them would be on the 35/40 FV line at this point. Neidert walked more batters than he struck out and Monte struck out 39% of the time in AAA. Their ceilings feel very low to me. I feel like the O’s would view this as more of a straight Sixto for Means swap. Sixto has some solid upside could very well outperform Means, however, Means’ floor is much higher and injury history much less murky. I would probably take that deal for the O’s and perhaps they would need to part with another small piece but there’s no way someone like Cedric Mullins would be part of this deal.

Mahoney
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

If the O’s really wanted to help their odds of getting another long-term front-end starter, maybe Mullins to Miami is the way to go. Send Mullins for Cabrera, Meyer, and another high-upside minor league arm, and then see if maybe you can do a deal with the Angels centered on Means and Marsh, so you have a potential replacement for Mullins.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

You over rate Mullins. he is a steady 3 maybe 4 War guy in center for the next few years, but hardly worth two top of the rotation prospects.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

Neidert is an FV40+. he will either be a top reliver or a number 3 starter.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

That’s really not what those numbers mean in regards to a prospect. You’re way off.

romorr
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I’d doubt you get 3 years of Means without giving up a 50 FV. No reason to settle for that when we could just hold him until the ASB.

romorr
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

You aren’t getting Mullins, on top of Means, for 1 prospect with injury concerns. Mullins starts with Max Meyers, without him, there is no deal. 4 years of control, with an extremely cheap year in 2022, is going to cost a bundle. Even if he’s “only” a 3 win player going forward.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  romorr

I’m of the mind that if they were willing to trade Mullins to the Marlins that Meyer, Cabrera, and Watson would be the target return. And there’s no way they’d get Mullins without 2 of the 3.

Means would probably require Bleday and one of Jake Eder or Eury Perez, possibly both.

If the Marlins traded all six of them for both of Means and Mullins, maybe the Orioles would throw in Austin Hays as a sweetener. I’d do that deal if I were the Orioles. It would give them a whole bunch of prospects whose timelines match up well with Rutschman and Rodriguez.

Of the other names mentioned here, Sixto is a good prospect but he’s the exact opposite of what the O’s look for in a pitcher, plus I doubt the Marlins want to subtract anyone who already has major league success already. Nick Neidert looks like a back end guy at best and potentially not a major leaguer at all. Burdick is interesting, and maybe if the O’s were down on Bleday they’d be interested in him but he does strike out a fair amount. Monte Harrison is a bust and is one DFA away from having to sign minor league contracts for eternity.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Here’s a choice: a) Means for Meyer/Bleday or b) means for Bleday/Eder/ Perez?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Whoops, I just saw that Eder blew out his arm and will need TJ. So I guess that makes it easy–I’d go with Meyer.

If he hadn’t blown out his arm, that’s a tough one. I think it would still be Meyer because it looks like he finally stopped cutting his fastball and he will start in AAA, so it’s easier to project his development. But Perez was killing it as an 18 year old and having two is nice insurance.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

That’s a terrible deal for Baltimore. If they’re gonna trade Means to Miami, I’m thinking Meyer/Bleday likely gets them close.

JediHoyer
4 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

This is all so pointless. They aren’t trading for Means.

I think tz is the closest.

I could see them doing the same style trade they did with the dbacks in the gallen/Chisholm deal and go after marsh. Or maybe Kyle lewis.

cubfanjack
4 years ago

Jed? Carter? Have you read this?

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  cubfanjack

I look forward to the day when it is confirmed that FanGraphs gets read at the higher level because the site gets named as an assistant general manager for a team(s).

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  LightenUpFG

Considering how many FG alum have worked/still work for MLB clubs, clearly, someone in those offices is reading