2023 ZiPS Projections: Detroit Tigers
For the 18th consecutive season, the ZiPS projection system is unleashing a full set of prognostications. For more information on the ZiPS projections, please consult this year’s introduction and MLB’s glossary entry. The team order is selected by lot, and the next team up is the Detroit Tigers.
Batters
Oops! Last preseason, I regularly expressed guarded optimism that the Tigers had enough going for them that I thought they’d handily beat their rather grumpy ZiPS projection of 73 wins. While there are plenty of times when I win my personal disagreements with my creation, there are quite a lot when I don’t, and this was a particularly stark one! The Tigers were basically the anti-Orioles of ’22, with the vast majority of the roster leaving the season with a worse projection than they started it with, and the possibly-too-pessimistic ZiPS estimate turning out to be over-generous by seven games. So what happens now?
The relatively good news is that Detroit will likely get some boost simply from regression toward the mean — the so-called “dead cat bounce,” or what Bill James coined “the Plexiglass principle.” Jonathan Schoop, at 30, sported an OPS more than 160 points off his career numbers, and even if I feel worse about him, he would be hard-pressed to be that bad again. Similarly, Spencer Torkelson, a preseason contender for the Rookie of the Year last season, has lost a lot of the shine, especially given that his return to the minors was similarly bleak, but it would be hard for him not to improve on a .604 OPS.
Javier Báez had his worst full (normal-length) major league season offensively, but he still managed two WAR and is only a year removed from a legitimately All-Star level season (and just turned 30). ZiPS projects muted rebounds from Akil Baddoo and Austin Meadows, though injuries will always be a concern with the latter. The team’s multi-headed catcher situation would have to try to hit worse than Tucker Barnhart did. No similar bounceback is likely for Miguel Cabrera, though Albert Pujols looked toast-like and had a solid finale; the Tigers just aren’t likely to make a push to maximize his playing time with his milestone moments behind him.
So, if the Tigers’ offense is likely to be better, is it likely to be good? Not really. While the roster has a lot of players who you’d expect better from given their established abilities, having so many known quantities also limits just how much upside there is. Báez could be very solid, if flawed in many ways; there’s still hope for Torkelson; and Riley Greene, better than most Tigers in 2022, doesn’t have an appreciably diminished ceiling from a year ago. But where is the dream scenario? Bad teams have to be run so they at least have some future hope, and it’s hard to see an actual good offense constructed from the players currently within the organization. Detroit is more likely to spend money someday than the rest of the division, but this lineup is too flawed to be fixed by slapping on a high-priced player or two. It’s a mess, and new team president Scott Harris has a huge task ahead of him.
Pitchers
At least here, the Tigers can more accurately blame injuries for some of the bleakness. Going into the 2021 season, we had them with three of the 10 best pitching prospects in the majors: Matt Manning, Tarik Skubal, and Casey Mize, with players like Alex Faedo, Joey Wentz, and Beau Burrows looking like they had solid odds of being valuable back-of-the-rotation options. We were far from alone in this optimism, and while the team’s drafts had frequently failed to produce hitters, it looked like there would be a good pitching core to build around.
Manning showed some flashes in 2022, but he was also plagued by shoulder inflammation that cost him nearly four months of the season. Mize underwent Tommy John surgery in June. Skubal, who has showed the most in the majors, is out for a sizable chunk of 2023 due to his own flexor tendon procedure. Beyond those three, the rotation remains relatively unexciting. Spencer Turnbull was a highly interesting success story, but he’s coming back from his own Tommy John surgery. Matthew Boyd and Michael Lorenzen are stopgaps that would seem more fitting on a contending team that needs fifth starter/swingman depth. I’m still a fan of Eduardo Rodriguez, but he’s a definite question mark, though he may have the best short-term upside of any healthy pitcher on the team.
In other words, it’s not a bad group, but it’s also a very veteran one without a ton of upside (with the exceptions noted above). While I think the dream scenario here is a rosier one than that of the lineup, I don’t think it’s so compelling that it can overcome the run scoring. It just doesn’t feel great for what is largely a veteran team to have .500 upside.
Moving over to the bullpen, this was basically the only area of the team that had success in 2022. In terms of total WAR, it ranked seventh in baseball and finished just as highly in both ERA and FIP (so it wasn’t just a WPA quirk). Joe Jiménez and Gregory Soto are gone, but ZiPS still likes the returning Alex Lange and Jason Foley. The problem in the projection comes with the depth; the computer literally hates most of the options once you get past this point. If the projections are right, the Tigers will see their relief corps fall considerably down the ranks from 2022, but in truth, a bullpen doesn’t really matter until the lineup and rotation are functioning, and they will not have a whole lot of leads to protect.
Overall, there’s enough to like about the Tigers that ZiPS still sees them as a mid-70s win team, and this time I think my creation and I are in accord. Detroit does have a challenging road ahead; the problems that the new front office has to tackle are no less daunting than those of the Reds, Pirates, Royals, or Nationals, though not identical. With a great deal of similarity in how baseball’s top teams are constructed, MLB is becoming a good example of the Anna Karenina principle: happy teams are all alike; every unhappy team is unhappy in its own way.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Javier Báez | R | 30 | SS | 560 | 524 | 70 | 129 | 26 | 3 | 20 | 70 | 26 | 155 | 10 | 3 |
| Riley Greene | L | 22 | CF | 538 | 483 | 70 | 122 | 22 | 5 | 14 | 61 | 48 | 145 | 5 | 4 |
| Austin Meadows | L | 28 | RF | 491 | 432 | 62 | 115 | 25 | 5 | 18 | 66 | 49 | 90 | 4 | 3 |
| Ryan Kreidler | R | 25 | SS | 441 | 390 | 55 | 86 | 17 | 2 | 10 | 49 | 39 | 131 | 10 | 3 |
| Jonathan Schoop | R | 31 | 2B | 547 | 510 | 63 | 128 | 24 | 2 | 16 | 58 | 25 | 113 | 3 | 1 |
| Spencer Torkelson | R | 23 | 1B | 543 | 473 | 64 | 111 | 24 | 1 | 21 | 66 | 57 | 132 | 1 | 2 |
| Nick Maton | L | 26 | SS | 401 | 355 | 40 | 81 | 18 | 3 | 8 | 35 | 38 | 104 | 3 | 2 |
| Andre Lipcius | R | 25 | 3B | 511 | 454 | 56 | 108 | 24 | 2 | 8 | 50 | 51 | 102 | 5 | 2 |
| Eric Haase | R | 30 | C | 371 | 340 | 44 | 77 | 13 | 2 | 16 | 50 | 27 | 117 | 1 | 1 |
| Jake Rogers | R | 28 | C | 250 | 222 | 29 | 44 | 8 | 2 | 9 | 31 | 22 | 86 | 1 | 1 |
| Kerry Carpenter | L | 25 | LF | 488 | 446 | 58 | 111 | 24 | 2 | 19 | 70 | 30 | 113 | 3 | 5 |
| Zack Short | R | 28 | SS | 481 | 410 | 56 | 83 | 20 | 1 | 10 | 47 | 59 | 143 | 5 | 3 |
| Andrew Navigato | R | 25 | 2B | 427 | 387 | 49 | 87 | 16 | 2 | 9 | 49 | 26 | 103 | 7 | 4 |
| Andy Ibáñez | R | 30 | 1B | 430 | 393 | 52 | 103 | 23 | 2 | 8 | 43 | 31 | 69 | 4 | 2 |
| Wenceel Perez | B | 23 | 2B | 460 | 421 | 57 | 103 | 18 | 6 | 8 | 49 | 31 | 91 | 10 | 3 |
| Akil Baddoo | L | 24 | LF | 410 | 366 | 50 | 87 | 15 | 6 | 9 | 40 | 41 | 108 | 15 | 6 |
| Dustin Garneau | R | 35 | C | 221 | 195 | 21 | 39 | 11 | 1 | 6 | 25 | 18 | 65 | 0 | 1 |
| John Valente | R | 28 | 3B | 291 | 269 | 30 | 70 | 11 | 2 | 2 | 26 | 17 | 32 | 7 | 2 |
| Brendon Davis | R | 25 | 3B | 557 | 498 | 64 | 111 | 23 | 4 | 15 | 65 | 47 | 149 | 5 | 3 |
| Dillon Dingler | R | 24 | C | 412 | 370 | 43 | 75 | 13 | 3 | 9 | 47 | 28 | 140 | 1 | 1 |
| Mario Feliciano | R | 24 | C | 347 | 322 | 37 | 80 | 15 | 2 | 8 | 36 | 16 | 80 | 1 | 1 |
| Quincy Nieporte | R | 28 | 1B | 452 | 415 | 46 | 102 | 21 | 1 | 16 | 58 | 26 | 88 | 1 | 1 |
| Corey Joyce | R | 24 | SS | 313 | 275 | 35 | 59 | 10 | 1 | 6 | 35 | 28 | 84 | 4 | 2 |
| Parker Meadows | L | 23 | CF | 527 | 478 | 58 | 108 | 19 | 4 | 12 | 58 | 37 | 131 | 8 | 4 |
| Michael Papierski | B | 27 | C | 367 | 319 | 34 | 68 | 11 | 1 | 5 | 28 | 39 | 84 | 0 | 2 |
| Josh Crouch | R | 24 | C | 409 | 375 | 40 | 85 | 16 | 1 | 8 | 42 | 25 | 92 | 0 | 1 |
| Donny Sands | R | 27 | C | 321 | 290 | 33 | 69 | 13 | 0 | 7 | 27 | 28 | 65 | 1 | 1 |
| Michael De La Cruz | B | 30 | C | 127 | 113 | 14 | 26 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 0 | 1 |
| Jermaine Palacios | R | 26 | SS | 474 | 436 | 57 | 99 | 19 | 0 | 11 | 45 | 31 | 128 | 8 | 7 |
| Steele Walker | L | 26 | RF | 410 | 378 | 44 | 88 | 17 | 2 | 8 | 38 | 26 | 78 | 6 | 3 |
| Justyn-Henry Malloy | R | 23 | LF | 533 | 461 | 64 | 104 | 20 | 0 | 12 | 46 | 62 | 150 | 3 | 1 |
| Eduardo Valencia | R | 23 | C | 190 | 171 | 19 | 40 | 7 | 0 | 3 | 19 | 13 | 41 | 1 | 1 |
| Julio E. Rodriguez | R | 26 | C | 270 | 245 | 22 | 53 | 8 | 0 | 6 | 23 | 22 | 73 | 1 | 1 |
| Jake Holton | R | 25 | 1B | 441 | 384 | 48 | 85 | 16 | 2 | 8 | 50 | 41 | 104 | 2 | 2 |
| Tyler Nevin | R | 26 | 3B | 447 | 399 | 44 | 89 | 17 | 1 | 10 | 41 | 40 | 98 | 2 | 1 |
| Brady Policelli | R | 28 | C | 337 | 308 | 36 | 65 | 13 | 3 | 7 | 33 | 24 | 92 | 6 | 2 |
| Colt Keith | L | 21 | 3B | 244 | 223 | 32 | 51 | 9 | 2 | 5 | 27 | 19 | 63 | 2 | 1 |
| Gage Workman | B | 23 | SS | 508 | 473 | 51 | 96 | 27 | 5 | 9 | 50 | 29 | 188 | 15 | 6 |
| Chris Rabago | R | 30 | C | 191 | 173 | 14 | 33 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 13 | 15 | 61 | 2 | 1 |
| Izaac Pacheco | L | 20 | 3B | 423 | 389 | 49 | 85 | 18 | 2 | 7 | 39 | 30 | 120 | 5 | 3 |
| Luis García | B | 22 | SS | 354 | 313 | 33 | 59 | 10 | 3 | 4 | 24 | 34 | 106 | 4 | 4 |
| Jacob Robson | L | 28 | CF | 351 | 309 | 39 | 67 | 13 | 3 | 5 | 33 | 39 | 123 | 14 | 6 |
| Diego Rincones | R | 24 | DH | 343 | 317 | 34 | 79 | 12 | 0 | 8 | 36 | 15 | 58 | 0 | 1 |
| Trei Cruz | B | 24 | SS | 440 | 387 | 47 | 76 | 15 | 3 | 5 | 32 | 49 | 134 | 7 | 3 |
| Jon Rosoff | L | 28 | C | 151 | 139 | 11 | 30 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 10 | 11 | 32 | 1 | 1 |
| Miguel Cabrera | R | 40 | DH | 411 | 372 | 30 | 93 | 12 | 0 | 8 | 43 | 31 | 96 | 1 | 1 |
| Andrew Knapp | B | 31 | C | 250 | 226 | 23 | 46 | 11 | 0 | 5 | 22 | 19 | 74 | 0 | 1 |
| Bryant Packard | L | 25 | RF | 299 | 276 | 37 | 65 | 13 | 1 | 6 | 34 | 14 | 71 | 8 | 2 |
| Matt Vierling | R | 26 | CF | 455 | 414 | 46 | 99 | 17 | 3 | 8 | 38 | 31 | 94 | 11 | 4 |
| Dylan Rosa | R | 27 | LF | 268 | 246 | 28 | 47 | 8 | 1 | 8 | 29 | 16 | 111 | 3 | 1 |
| Jose King | L | 24 | 3B | 304 | 286 | 28 | 56 | 11 | 2 | 3 | 25 | 11 | 107 | 3 | 2 |
| Eric De La Rosa | R | 26 | CF | 321 | 291 | 33 | 56 | 11 | 3 | 3 | 34 | 18 | 123 | 9 | 4 |
| Roberto Campos | R | 20 | CF | 428 | 399 | 42 | 89 | 20 | 3 | 6 | 39 | 25 | 115 | 3 | 2 |
| Daniel Cabrera | L | 24 | RF | 490 | 455 | 50 | 101 | 18 | 4 | 8 | 44 | 30 | 117 | 4 | 1 |
| Jack López | R | 30 | RF | 334 | 312 | 37 | 64 | 14 | 1 | 5 | 28 | 14 | 112 | 9 | 2 |
| Ben Malgeri | R | 23 | CF | 416 | 366 | 46 | 75 | 12 | 3 | 4 | 42 | 32 | 128 | 5 | 5 |
| Player | PA | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | Def | WAR | wOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Javier Báez | 560 | .246 | .289 | .422 | 97 | .176 | .312 | 7 | 2.9 | .305 |
| Riley Greene | 538 | .253 | .323 | .406 | 104 | .153 | .333 | 3 | 2.4 | .317 |
| Austin Meadows | 491 | .266 | .346 | .472 | 128 | .206 | .299 | -2 | 2.3 | .350 |
| Ryan Kreidler | 441 | .221 | .300 | .351 | 83 | .131 | .305 | 4 | 1.5 | .288 |
| Jonathan Schoop | 547 | .251 | .293 | .400 | 93 | .149 | .294 | 0 | 1.4 | .298 |
| Spencer Torkelson | 543 | .235 | .324 | .423 | 109 | .188 | .281 | 0 | 1.3 | .324 |
| Nick Maton | 401 | .228 | .308 | .363 | 89 | .135 | .300 | 0 | 1.2 | .296 |
| Andre Lipcius | 511 | .238 | .315 | .352 | 88 | .115 | .291 | 1 | 1.2 | .296 |
| Eric Haase | 371 | .226 | .286 | .418 | 95 | .191 | .295 | -2 | 1.2 | .303 |
| Jake Rogers | 250 | .198 | .281 | .374 | 83 | .176 | .276 | 5 | 1.1 | .287 |
| Kerry Carpenter | 488 | .249 | .305 | .439 | 107 | .191 | .293 | 0 | 1.1 | .318 |
| Zack Short | 481 | .202 | .308 | .329 | 80 | .127 | .284 | 1 | 1.0 | .285 |
| Andrew Navigato | 427 | .225 | .288 | .346 | 78 | .121 | .284 | 6 | 1.0 | .279 |
| Andy Ibáñez | 430 | .262 | .322 | .392 | 100 | .130 | .301 | 4 | 1.0 | .312 |
| Wenceel Perez | 460 | .245 | .299 | .373 | 88 | .128 | .295 | -1 | 0.9 | .292 |
| Akil Baddoo | 410 | .238 | .315 | .385 | 96 | .148 | .313 | 1 | 0.8 | .306 |
| Dustin Garneau | 221 | .200 | .285 | .359 | 80 | .159 | .266 | 3 | 0.8 | .284 |
| John Valente | 291 | .260 | .310 | .338 | 83 | .078 | .289 | 2 | 0.7 | .287 |
| Brendon Davis | 557 | .223 | .298 | .376 | 89 | .153 | .287 | -4 | 0.7 | .294 |
| Dillon Dingler | 412 | .203 | .277 | .327 | 70 | .124 | .299 | 2 | 0.6 | .268 |
| Mario Feliciano | 347 | .248 | .294 | .382 | 89 | .134 | .308 | -5 | 0.6 | .293 |
| Quincy Nieporte | 452 | .246 | .294 | .417 | 98 | .171 | .277 | 2 | 0.5 | .304 |
| Corey Joyce | 313 | .215 | .307 | .324 | 79 | .109 | .286 | -1 | 0.5 | .284 |
| Parker Meadows | 527 | .226 | .286 | .358 | 80 | .132 | .287 | 0 | 0.5 | .280 |
| Michael Papierski | 367 | .213 | .309 | .301 | 74 | .088 | .274 | -1 | 0.5 | .277 |
| Josh Crouch | 409 | .227 | .279 | .339 | 73 | .112 | .280 | 0 | 0.4 | .271 |
| Donny Sands | 321 | .238 | .305 | .355 | 86 | .117 | .284 | -5 | 0.4 | .291 |
| Michael De La Cruz | 127 | .230 | .315 | .354 | 89 | .124 | .293 | -1 | 0.3 | .297 |
| Jermaine Palacios | 474 | .227 | .281 | .346 | 76 | .119 | .296 | -2 | 0.3 | .275 |
| Steele Walker | 410 | .233 | .288 | .352 | 79 | .119 | .274 | 5 | 0.2 | .281 |
| Justyn-Henry Malloy | 533 | .226 | .319 | .347 | 88 | .121 | .308 | -2 | 0.2 | .297 |
| Eduardo Valencia | 190 | .234 | .302 | .327 | 78 | .094 | .291 | -2 | 0.1 | .281 |
| Julio E. Rodriguez | 270 | .216 | .285 | .322 | 71 | .106 | .283 | -2 | 0.1 | .271 |
| Jake Holton | 441 | .221 | .317 | .336 | 85 | .115 | .283 | 1 | 0.1 | .294 |
| Tyler Nevin | 447 | .223 | .300 | .346 | 82 | .123 | .271 | -5 | 0.0 | .286 |
| Brady Policelli | 337 | .211 | .276 | .341 | 73 | .130 | .278 | -4 | 0.0 | .272 |
| Colt Keith | 244 | .229 | .291 | .354 | 81 | .126 | .297 | -2 | 0.0 | .283 |
| Gage Workman | 508 | .203 | .250 | .338 | 64 | .135 | .315 | 1 | 0.0 | .256 |
| Chris Rabago | 191 | .191 | .263 | .260 | 49 | .069 | .282 | 2 | 0.0 | .239 |
| Izaac Pacheco | 423 | .219 | .274 | .329 | 69 | .111 | .298 | 2 | -0.1 | .264 |
| Luis Garcia | 354 | .188 | .276 | .278 | 57 | .089 | .271 | 3 | -0.1 | .252 |
| Jacob Robson | 351 | .217 | .308 | .327 | 80 | .110 | .343 | -6 | -0.1 | .285 |
| Diego Rincones | 343 | .249 | .300 | .363 | 86 | .114 | .283 | 0 | -0.2 | .290 |
| Trei Cruz | 440 | .196 | .285 | .289 | 63 | .093 | .286 | -2 | -0.2 | .259 |
| Jon Rosoff | 151 | .216 | .278 | .252 | 52 | .036 | .280 | 0 | -0.2 | .242 |
| Miguel Cabrera | 411 | .250 | .309 | .347 | 85 | .097 | .317 | 0 | -0.2 | .287 |
| Andrew Knapp | 250 | .204 | .276 | .319 | 67 | .115 | .279 | -4 | -0.3 | .265 |
| Bryant Packard | 299 | .236 | .285 | .355 | 79 | .120 | .296 | -2 | -0.3 | .280 |
| Matt Vierling | 455 | .239 | .297 | .353 | 83 | .114 | .292 | -11 | -0.5 | .285 |
| Dylan Rosa | 268 | .191 | .250 | .329 | 62 | .138 | .307 | -1 | -0.9 | .254 |
| Jose King | 304 | .196 | .232 | .280 | 44 | .084 | .301 | 2 | -1.0 | .225 |
| Eric De La Rosa | 321 | .192 | .265 | .282 | 55 | .089 | .321 | -4 | -1.0 | .247 |
| Roberto Campos | 428 | .223 | .271 | .333 | 69 | .110 | .299 | -9 | -1.1 | .264 |
| Daniel Cabrera | 490 | .222 | .269 | .332 | 69 | .110 | .282 | -2 | -1.3 | .262 |
| Jack López | 334 | .205 | .247 | .304 | 55 | .099 | .303 | -1 | -1.3 | .242 |
| Ben Malgeri | 416 | .205 | .294 | .287 | 65 | .082 | .303 | -10 | -1.3 | .265 |
| Player | Hit Comp 1 | Hit Comp 2 | Hit Comp 3 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Javier Báez | Ian Desmond | Nelson Teilon | Cotton Tierney |
| Riley Greene | Paul Jernigan | Herm Winningham | Bernie Williams |
| Austin Meadows | Gene Woodling | Bobby Higginson | Brian Giles |
| Ryan Kreidler | Mike Ahmed | Jimmy Sexton | Dave Edler |
| Jonathan Schoop | Tracy Woodson | Billy Moran | Jim Baumer |
| Spencer Torkelson | Sid Bream | Bill Moore | John Milner |
| Nick Maton | John Powers | Van Kelly | Ted Schreiber |
| Andre Lipcius | Ed Giovanola | Larry Wolfe | Christian Lopes |
| Eric Haase | Jarrod Saltalamacchia | Bob Brenly | Tom Murphy |
| Jake Rogers | Billy Bryan | Troy Afenir | Duke Sims |
| Kerry Carpenter | Doug Howard | Jason Lane | Neil Chrisley |
| Zack Short | George Foussianes | Don Buddin | Max Moroff |
| Andrew Navigato | Frank White | Brian Turang | Chris Nelson |
| Andy Ibáñez | B.J. Surhoff | Corban Joseph | Charlie Moore |
| Wenceel Perez | Jean Segura | Yung-Chi Chen | Mark Johnson |
| Akil Baddoo | Bobby Thompson | Barry Shetrone | Bill Mott |
| Dustin Garneau | Doug Mirabelli | Ron Karkovice | Kelly Shoppach |
| John Valente | Mike Caruso | Bridger Hunt | Miguel Cairo |
| Brendon Davis | Greg Norton | Tim Hulett | Marshall McDougall |
| Dillon Dingler | John Gibbons | Joel Skinner | Jack Fimple |
| Mario Feliciano | Phil Clark | Carlos Hernandez | Andy Pasillas |
| Quincy Nieporte | Rip Russell | Derek Hacopian | Eddie Robinson |
| Corey Joyce | Dick Schofield | Matt Moschetti | Andrew Navigato |
| Parker Meadows | Bill Virdon | Mike Lum | Ed Palat |
| Michael Papierski | Tim Blackwell | A.J. Ellis | Mark Johnson |
| Josh Crouch | Jim Deidel | Dan Wilson | James Lang |
| Donny Sands | Neil Garcia | Dave Skaggs | Joe Nolan |
| Michael De La Cruz | Joe Pignatano | Eric Christopherson | Bud Bulling |
| Jermaine Palacios | Brandon Wilson | Ian Desmond | Alex Gonzalez |
| Steele Walker | Ryan Fleming | Nyls Nyman | Glen Gorbous |
| Justyn-Henry Malloy | Tom Kelly | Don Barbara | Dick Billings |
| Eduardo Valencia | Alexis Wilson | Daniel Winslow | Randy Rouse |
| Julio E. Rodriguez | Kirk Pierce | Glenn Ezell | Dave Stenhouse |
| Jake Holton | Connor Joe | Sam Eberle | Dustin Yount |
| Tyler Nevin | Jerry Maddox | Tommy Bianco | Dave Payton |
| Brady Policelli | Tracy Cowger | Ed Sadowski | Lance Koenig |
| Colt Keith | Thomas Higgins | David Hall | Gary Barakat |
| Gage Workman | Robert Marcano | Antonio Perez | Jason Dellaero |
| Chris Rabago | Jose Gonzalez | Len Okrie | John Nathans |
| Izaac Pacheco | Mike Morse | Darnell Coles | Matt Moses |
| Luis Garcia | Oliver Dominguez | David Markey | Chad Sheffer |
| Jacob Robson | Chris Dickerson | Sam Haggerty | Jermaine Mitchell |
| Diego Rincones | M.P. Cokinos | Justin Ringo | Dean Decillis |
| Trei Cruz | Arquimedes Gamboa | Craig Ringe | Danny Adams |
| Jon Rosoff | Francisco Diaz | Brent Mayne | George Enright |
| Miguel Cabrera | Ray Knight | Lou Merloni | Eric Karros |
| Andrew Knapp | Jeff Mathis | Danny Breeden | Mike Rose |
| Bryant Packard | Perry Dunn | Drew Muren | Danny Bautista |
| Matt Vierling | Matt Szczur | Mike Tauchman | Marty Perez |
| Dylan Rosa | Josh Banda | Sean Hearn | Scott Krieger |
| Jose King | J.D. Vidal | Preston Harriman | Jason Christian |
| Eric De La Rosa | Bobby Bonds | Jay Woolf | Connor Myers |
| Roberto Campos | Rudy Guillen | Luis Sumoza | Joseph Cammarata |
| Daniel Cabrera | Bligh Madris | Ken Scarpace | Brandon Pico |
| Jack López | Brandon Barnes 반즈 | Tito Landrum | Ryan Knox |
| Ben Malgeri | Lavell Cudjo | Deron McCue | Charlie Neal |
| Player | 80th BA | 80th OBP | 80th SLG | 80th OPS+ | 80th WAR | 20th BA | 20th OBP | 20th SLG | 20th OPS+ | 20th WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Javier Báez | .274 | .315 | .474 | 116 | 4.3 | .220 | .263 | .372 | 78 | 1.5 |
| Riley Greene | .285 | .355 | .468 | 129 | 4.0 | .224 | .295 | .357 | 84 | 1.1 |
| Austin Meadows | .292 | .370 | .536 | 151 | 3.7 | .239 | .321 | .421 | 107 | 1.1 |
| Ryan Kreidler | .245 | .323 | .400 | 102 | 2.5 | .196 | .276 | .302 | 66 | 0.6 |
| Jonathan Schoop | .277 | .318 | .449 | 112 | 2.7 | .226 | .268 | .357 | 74 | 0.1 |
| Spencer Torkelson | .264 | .351 | .473 | 130 | 2.8 | .209 | .297 | .360 | 89 | 0.1 |
| Nick Maton | .255 | .332 | .407 | 106 | 2.0 | .202 | .281 | .318 | 68 | 0.2 |
| Andre Lipcius | .262 | .341 | .396 | 106 | 2.3 | .213 | .291 | .314 | 71 | 0.1 |
| Eric Haase | .252 | .311 | .477 | 115 | 2.1 | .197 | .257 | .368 | 73 | 0.2 |
| Jake Rogers | .228 | .313 | .442 | 109 | 1.9 | .171 | .251 | .314 | 58 | 0.4 |
| Kerry Carpenter | .273 | .329 | .495 | 128 | 2.3 | .225 | .280 | .392 | 89 | -0.1 |
| Zack Short | .228 | .332 | .376 | 97 | 2.0 | .173 | .280 | .290 | 61 | -0.2 |
| Andrew Navigato | .254 | .317 | .393 | 97 | 2.1 | .201 | .264 | .310 | 61 | 0.2 |
| Andy Ibáñez | .293 | .352 | .438 | 121 | 2.2 | .234 | .296 | .341 | 79 | 0.0 |
| Wenceel Perez | .273 | .327 | .421 | 108 | 2.0 | .220 | .275 | .331 | 70 | -0.1 |
| Akil Baddoo | .267 | .341 | .442 | 116 | 1.8 | .211 | .285 | .339 | 76 | -0.3 |
| Dustin Garneau | .228 | .314 | .432 | 102 | 1.3 | .173 | .261 | .294 | 56 | 0.1 |
| John Valente | .290 | .339 | .378 | 102 | 1.4 | .228 | .276 | .293 | 62 | -0.1 |
| Brendon Davis | .248 | .317 | .425 | 108 | 1.9 | .196 | .272 | .328 | 70 | -0.5 |
| Dillon Dingler | .231 | .304 | .382 | 89 | 1.5 | .174 | .250 | .277 | 49 | -0.4 |
| Mario Feliciano | .276 | .318 | .429 | 107 | 1.3 | .220 | .269 | .338 | 71 | -0.2 |
| Quincy Nieporte | .272 | .321 | .464 | 119 | 1.7 | .218 | .266 | .367 | 78 | -0.5 |
| Corey Joyce | .241 | .334 | .383 | 100 | 1.4 | .186 | .282 | .278 | 60 | -0.2 |
| Parker Meadows | .251 | .312 | .396 | 98 | 1.7 | .202 | .263 | .313 | 63 | -0.6 |
| Michael Papierski | .246 | .341 | .356 | 94 | 1.4 | .181 | .278 | .259 | 55 | -0.5 |
| Josh Crouch | .254 | .305 | .386 | 91 | 1.3 | .201 | .256 | .293 | 57 | -0.4 |
| Donny Sands | .270 | .339 | .410 | 108 | 1.3 | .211 | .282 | .313 | 69 | -0.3 |
| Michael De La Cruz | .264 | .347 | .416 | 112 | 0.6 | .204 | .287 | .307 | 69 | 0.0 |
| Jermaine Palacios | .251 | .305 | .388 | 95 | 1.4 | .200 | .253 | .296 | 57 | -0.8 |
| Steele Walker | .261 | .315 | .402 | 99 | 1.2 | .207 | .261 | .305 | 60 | -0.7 |
| Justyn-Henry Malloy | .253 | .349 | .391 | 107 | 1.5 | .198 | .294 | .305 | 71 | -0.9 |
| Eduardo Valencia | .264 | .334 | .378 | 100 | 0.7 | .201 | .271 | .283 | 58 | -0.3 |
| Julio E. Rodriguez | .245 | .313 | .366 | 90 | 0.8 | .185 | .252 | .282 | 49 | -0.6 |
| Jake Holton | .247 | .342 | .384 | 105 | 1.1 | .196 | .291 | .291 | 68 | -0.9 |
| Tyler Nevin | .250 | .326 | .388 | 99 | 0.9 | .196 | .273 | .303 | 64 | -1.0 |
| Brady Policelli | .244 | .310 | .392 | 95 | 1.0 | .183 | .248 | .291 | 54 | -0.8 |
| Colt Keith | .259 | .319 | .410 | 103 | 0.7 | .201 | .260 | .304 | 61 | -0.6 |
| Gage Workman | .227 | .276 | .386 | 83 | 1.2 | .178 | .226 | .289 | 45 | -1.3 |
| Chris Rabago | .218 | .297 | .306 | 70 | 0.5 | .161 | .230 | .224 | 30 | -0.5 |
| Izaac Pacheco | .247 | .301 | .375 | 87 | 0.9 | .196 | .247 | .285 | 52 | -1.0 |
| Luis Garcia | .221 | .312 | .325 | 79 | 0.9 | .159 | .249 | .229 | 36 | -1.0 |
| Jacob Robson | .246 | .337 | .374 | 99 | 0.7 | .188 | .276 | .281 | 59 | -1.1 |
| Diego Rincones | .273 | .324 | .417 | 105 | 0.7 | .222 | .275 | .322 | 69 | -0.9 |
| Trei Cruz | .223 | .312 | .334 | 83 | 0.9 | .163 | .256 | .244 | 42 | -1.3 |
| Jon Rosoff | .254 | .316 | .296 | 75 | 0.2 | .183 | .243 | .212 | 32 | -0.6 |
| Miguel Cabrera | .281 | .339 | .391 | 104 | 0.7 | .218 | .279 | .301 | 65 | -1.3 |
| Andrew Knapp | .233 | .307 | .372 | 87 | 0.3 | .176 | .247 | .268 | 48 | -0.9 |
| Bryant Packard | .262 | .313 | .403 | 100 | 0.4 | .215 | .263 | .317 | 65 | -0.9 |
| Matt Vierling | .265 | .320 | .399 | 100 | 0.5 | .213 | .270 | .311 | 63 | -1.6 |
| Dylan Rosa | .216 | .277 | .379 | 81 | -0.3 | .164 | .224 | .274 | 40 | -1.6 |
| Jose King | .225 | .259 | .321 | 61 | -0.3 | .172 | .204 | .234 | 25 | -1.8 |
| Eric De La Rosa | .220 | .288 | .326 | 73 | -0.3 | .163 | .236 | .240 | 37 | -1.8 |
| Roberto Campos | .252 | .297 | .380 | 89 | -0.1 | .193 | .240 | .289 | 49 | -2.2 |
| Daniel Cabrera | .251 | .295 | .375 | 86 | -0.2 | .195 | .245 | .285 | 50 | -2.4 |
| Jack López | .232 | .274 | .350 | 75 | -0.4 | .177 | .219 | .264 | 36 | -2.1 |
| Ben Malgeri | .227 | .318 | .330 | 84 | -0.3 | .177 | .270 | .249 | 49 | -2.1 |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alex Lange | R | 27 | 5 | 5 | 3.47 | 68 | 0 | 62.3 | 48 | 24 | 5 | 30 | 80 |
| Andrew Chafin | L | 33 | 3 | 2 | 3.51 | 65 | 1 | 56.3 | 50 | 22 | 6 | 18 | 59 |
| Jason Foley | R | 27 | 1 | 1 | 3.84 | 59 | 0 | 61.0 | 64 | 26 | 4 | 14 | 46 |
| Eduardo Rodriguez | L | 30 | 7 | 9 | 3.88 | 25 | 25 | 132.3 | 130 | 57 | 14 | 44 | 131 |
| Michael Lorenzen | R | 31 | 6 | 7 | 3.94 | 26 | 16 | 98.3 | 86 | 43 | 9 | 41 | 82 |
| Will Vest | R | 28 | 3 | 3 | 4.03 | 56 | 0 | 60.3 | 57 | 27 | 6 | 22 | 58 |
| Nick Vincent | R | 36 | 3 | 4 | 4.06 | 39 | 1 | 44.3 | 44 | 20 | 6 | 12 | 41 |
| Wilmer Flores | R | 22 | 5 | 8 | 4.11 | 27 | 26 | 107.3 | 100 | 49 | 12 | 34 | 100 |
| Matthew Boyd | L | 32 | 5 | 6 | 4.14 | 19 | 16 | 91.3 | 84 | 42 | 13 | 29 | 99 |
| Miguel Del Pozo | L | 30 | 3 | 3 | 4.14 | 49 | 0 | 45.7 | 42 | 21 | 5 | 19 | 49 |
| Trey Wingenter | R | 29 | 2 | 2 | 4.17 | 40 | 1 | 41.0 | 32 | 19 | 5 | 16 | 53 |
| Jake Higginbotham | L | 27 | 3 | 3 | 4.18 | 44 | 0 | 47.3 | 48 | 22 | 5 | 16 | 35 |
| Reese Olson | R | 23 | 6 | 8 | 4.19 | 24 | 23 | 111.7 | 102 | 52 | 12 | 46 | 109 |
| José Cisnero | R | 34 | 2 | 3 | 4.20 | 48 | 0 | 45.0 | 40 | 21 | 4 | 25 | 43 |
| Tarik Skubal | L | 26 | 6 | 9 | 4.20 | 23 | 22 | 115.7 | 107 | 54 | 18 | 35 | 121 |
| Brant Hurter | L | 24 | 5 | 7 | 4.38 | 24 | 17 | 98.7 | 97 | 48 | 14 | 23 | 83 |
| Ricardo Sanchez | L | 26 | 5 | 8 | 4.38 | 24 | 24 | 115.0 | 121 | 56 | 12 | 37 | 83 |
| Alex Powers | R | 31 | 1 | 1 | 4.46 | 26 | 1 | 34.3 | 31 | 17 | 4 | 16 | 35 |
| Joe Navilhon | R | 29 | 3 | 4 | 4.47 | 36 | 2 | 52.3 | 53 | 26 | 7 | 19 | 46 |
| Ty Madden | R | 23 | 5 | 9 | 4.47 | 25 | 25 | 112.7 | 111 | 56 | 14 | 41 | 94 |
| Michael Pineda | R | 34 | 5 | 8 | 4.48 | 19 | 18 | 88.3 | 97 | 44 | 14 | 19 | 64 |
| Chasen Shreve | L | 32 | 1 | 3 | 4.50 | 39 | 0 | 40.0 | 37 | 20 | 5 | 17 | 37 |
| Sawyer Gipson-Long | R | 25 | 6 | 10 | 4.50 | 22 | 21 | 102.0 | 106 | 51 | 13 | 31 | 83 |
| Wily Peralta | R | 34 | 2 | 4 | 4.50 | 29 | 11 | 68.0 | 67 | 34 | 9 | 32 | 55 |
| Kervin Castro | R | 24 | 3 | 5 | 4.53 | 41 | 2 | 57.7 | 54 | 29 | 6 | 28 | 53 |
| Spencer Turnbull | R | 30 | 4 | 6 | 4.56 | 14 | 14 | 75.0 | 73 | 38 | 8 | 30 | 65 |
| Edwin Uceta | R | 25 | 3 | 5 | 4.56 | 32 | 10 | 73.0 | 65 | 37 | 9 | 35 | 79 |
| Matt Manning | R | 25 | 4 | 7 | 4.58 | 21 | 21 | 96.3 | 98 | 49 | 13 | 33 | 79 |
| Luis Castillo | R | 28 | 2 | 5 | 4.60 | 40 | 0 | 47.0 | 49 | 24 | 6 | 16 | 38 |
| Casey Mize | R | 26 | 4 | 8 | 4.60 | 22 | 22 | 107.7 | 106 | 55 | 17 | 30 | 81 |
| Beau Brieske | R | 25 | 4 | 7 | 4.61 | 19 | 19 | 93.7 | 94 | 48 | 14 | 28 | 73 |
| Mason Englert | R | 23 | 5 | 8 | 4.62 | 23 | 23 | 103.3 | 103 | 53 | 13 | 36 | 84 |
| Garrett Hill | R | 27 | 4 | 7 | 4.66 | 26 | 20 | 104.3 | 99 | 54 | 14 | 44 | 97 |
| Daniel Norris | L | 30 | 3 | 4 | 4.66 | 38 | 9 | 75.3 | 71 | 39 | 11 | 29 | 71 |
| Brendan White | R | 24 | 4 | 6 | 4.67 | 35 | 7 | 71.3 | 71 | 37 | 9 | 23 | 59 |
| Sam Howard | L | 30 | 2 | 3 | 4.71 | 47 | 2 | 42.0 | 38 | 22 | 6 | 24 | 46 |
| Nolan Blackwood | R | 28 | 2 | 2 | 4.76 | 40 | 1 | 51.0 | 54 | 27 | 6 | 22 | 34 |
| Dario Gardea | R | 24 | 1 | 2 | 4.78 | 39 | 1 | 49.0 | 51 | 26 | 8 | 14 | 40 |
| Shea Spitzbarth | R | 28 | 2 | 4 | 4.81 | 44 | 1 | 48.7 | 48 | 26 | 6 | 27 | 40 |
| Tyler Alexander | L | 28 | 5 | 9 | 4.81 | 27 | 15 | 91.7 | 97 | 49 | 13 | 28 | 63 |
| Ricardo Pinto 핀토 | R | 29 | 4 | 9 | 4.82 | 22 | 11 | 84.0 | 86 | 45 | 10 | 38 | 67 |
| Austin Bergner | R | 26 | 3 | 6 | 4.82 | 24 | 19 | 93.3 | 93 | 50 | 13 | 43 | 80 |
| Layne Henderson | R | 27 | 3 | 5 | 4.84 | 29 | 0 | 44.7 | 42 | 24 | 6 | 27 | 48 |
| Carlos Pena | L | 24 | 3 | 5 | 4.85 | 22 | 14 | 81.7 | 83 | 44 | 11 | 32 | 67 |
| Miguel Diaz | R | 28 | 3 | 5 | 4.85 | 49 | 2 | 59.3 | 57 | 32 | 8 | 28 | 53 |
| Markus Solbach | R | 31 | 3 | 4 | 4.88 | 15 | 13 | 59.0 | 65 | 32 | 8 | 20 | 42 |
| Angel De Jesus | R | 26 | 2 | 4 | 4.91 | 46 | 1 | 55.0 | 52 | 30 | 7 | 29 | 49 |
| Michael Mariot | R | 34 | 3 | 5 | 4.91 | 15 | 13 | 66.0 | 73 | 36 | 9 | 26 | 41 |
| Alex Faedo | R | 27 | 3 | 6 | 4.92 | 16 | 15 | 75.0 | 79 | 41 | 13 | 24 | 67 |
| Yaya Chentouf | R | 26 | 3 | 5 | 4.92 | 43 | 0 | 56.7 | 59 | 31 | 8 | 22 | 44 |
| Daniel Ponce de Leon | R | 31 | 5 | 10 | 4.93 | 22 | 19 | 91.3 | 87 | 50 | 11 | 52 | 81 |
| Cody Sedlock | R | 28 | 3 | 5 | 4.98 | 25 | 13 | 77.7 | 79 | 43 | 10 | 37 | 65 |
| Adam Wolf | L | 26 | 3 | 7 | 5.00 | 26 | 13 | 81.0 | 87 | 45 | 12 | 34 | 62 |
| Bubba Derby | R | 29 | 3 | 5 | 5.01 | 23 | 6 | 59.3 | 62 | 33 | 8 | 24 | 46 |
| Billy Lescher | R | 27 | 1 | 2 | 5.01 | 36 | 1 | 41.3 | 43 | 23 | 7 | 16 | 35 |
| Rony García | R | 25 | 3 | 5 | 5.03 | 18 | 11 | 68.0 | 66 | 38 | 12 | 26 | 63 |
| Chance Kirby | R | 27 | 3 | 7 | 5.03 | 23 | 17 | 93.0 | 100 | 52 | 15 | 30 | 65 |
| Zach Logue | L | 27 | 5 | 11 | 5.04 | 26 | 22 | 119.7 | 127 | 67 | 18 | 42 | 88 |
| Joey Wentz | L | 25 | 3 | 6 | 5.05 | 20 | 20 | 82.0 | 81 | 46 | 13 | 42 | 74 |
| Sean Guenther | L | 27 | 2 | 3 | 5.06 | 26 | 1 | 42.7 | 46 | 24 | 7 | 13 | 36 |
| Aneurys Zabala | R | 26 | 1 | 2 | 5.11 | 28 | 1 | 37.0 | 35 | 21 | 4 | 23 | 36 |
| Logan Shore | R | 28 | 2 | 6 | 5.18 | 22 | 11 | 64.3 | 71 | 37 | 9 | 29 | 41 |
| Bryan Garcia | R | 28 | 2 | 6 | 5.27 | 41 | 10 | 80.3 | 83 | 47 | 12 | 37 | 60 |
| Nivaldo Rodriguez | R | 26 | 3 | 6 | 5.29 | 19 | 13 | 66.3 | 73 | 39 | 10 | 30 | 42 |
| Chavez Fernander | R | 25 | 2 | 4 | 5.32 | 35 | 2 | 45.7 | 47 | 27 | 6 | 23 | 34 |
| Brenan Hanifee | R | 25 | 3 | 8 | 5.38 | 17 | 16 | 75.3 | 84 | 45 | 12 | 29 | 51 |
| Rámon Rosso | R | 27 | 2 | 5 | 5.40 | 22 | 15 | 75.0 | 77 | 45 | 12 | 38 | 64 |
| Elvin Rodriguez | R | 25 | 4 | 8 | 5.47 | 24 | 21 | 105.3 | 113 | 64 | 18 | 42 | 80 |
| Elvis Alvarado | R | 24 | 2 | 6 | 5.48 | 39 | 1 | 46.0 | 48 | 28 | 6 | 24 | 35 |
| Andrew Magno | L | 25 | 1 | 2 | 5.85 | 42 | 0 | 40.0 | 37 | 26 | 5 | 34 | 39 |
| Jared Tobey | L | 27 | 1 | 2 | 5.88 | 34 | 0 | 33.7 | 35 | 22 | 6 | 22 | 31 |
| Zack Hess | R | 26 | 1 | 3 | 6.44 | 27 | 0 | 29.3 | 29 | 21 | 5 | 24 | 28 |
| Player | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | FIP | ERA- | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alex Lange | 62.3 | 11.6 | 4.3 | 0.7 | 10.9% | 29.1% | .295 | 119 | 3.31 | 84 | 0.9 |
| Andrew Chafin | 56.3 | 9.4 | 2.9 | 1.0 | 7.6% | 25.0% | .293 | 117 | 3.51 | 85 | 0.8 |
| Jason Foley | 61.0 | 6.8 | 2.1 | 0.6 | 5.4% | 17.9% | .313 | 108 | 3.33 | 93 | 0.3 |
| Eduardo Rodriguez | 132.3 | 8.9 | 3.0 | 1.0 | 7.8% | 23.3% | .311 | 106 | 3.61 | 94 | 2.1 |
| Michael Lorenzen | 98.3 | 7.5 | 3.8 | 0.8 | 9.8% | 19.6% | .272 | 105 | 4.02 | 95 | 1.5 |
| Will Vest | 60.3 | 8.7 | 3.3 | 0.9 | 8.4% | 22.1% | .300 | 102 | 3.77 | 98 | 0.2 |
| Nick Vincent | 44.3 | 8.3 | 2.4 | 1.2 | 6.4% | 21.9% | .299 | 102 | 4.08 | 98 | 0.2 |
| Wilmer Flores | 107.3 | 8.4 | 2.9 | 1.0 | 7.5% | 22.1% | .291 | 100 | 4.03 | 100 | 1.4 |
| Matthew Boyd | 91.3 | 9.8 | 2.9 | 1.3 | 7.6% | 25.8% | .296 | 100 | 3.95 | 100 | 1.1 |
| Miguel Del Pozo | 45.7 | 9.7 | 3.7 | 1.0 | 9.5% | 24.6% | .303 | 100 | 3.81 | 100 | 0.1 |
| Trey Wingenter | 41.0 | 11.6 | 3.5 | 1.1 | 9.3% | 30.8% | .284 | 99 | 3.62 | 101 | 0.2 |
| Jake Higginbotham | 47.3 | 6.7 | 3.0 | 1.0 | 7.9% | 17.2% | .295 | 99 | 4.13 | 101 | 0.1 |
| Reese Olson | 111.7 | 8.8 | 3.7 | 1.0 | 9.6% | 22.7% | .292 | 98 | 3.97 | 102 | 1.4 |
| José Cisnero | 45.0 | 8.6 | 5.0 | 0.8 | 12.6% | 21.6% | .288 | 98 | 4.26 | 102 | 0.1 |
| Tarik Skubal | 115.7 | 9.4 | 2.7 | 1.4 | 7.2% | 25.0% | .290 | 98 | 4.10 | 102 | 1.4 |
| Brant Hurter | 98.7 | 7.6 | 2.1 | 1.3 | 5.5% | 19.7% | .287 | 94 | 4.17 | 106 | 1.0 |
| Ricardo Sanchez | 115.0 | 6.5 | 2.9 | 0.9 | 7.4% | 16.7% | .301 | 94 | 4.19 | 106 | 1.1 |
| Alex Powers | 34.3 | 9.2 | 4.2 | 1.0 | 10.7% | 23.5% | .290 | 93 | 4.29 | 108 | 0.0 |
| Joe Navilhon | 52.3 | 7.9 | 3.3 | 1.2 | 8.4% | 20.3% | .301 | 92 | 4.40 | 108 | 0.1 |
| Ty Madden | 112.7 | 7.5 | 3.3 | 1.1 | 8.5% | 19.4% | .291 | 92 | 4.35 | 108 | 1.1 |
| Michael Pineda | 88.3 | 6.5 | 1.9 | 1.4 | 5.0% | 17.0% | .300 | 92 | 4.48 | 109 | 0.8 |
| Chasen Shreve | 40.0 | 8.3 | 3.8 | 1.1 | 9.9% | 21.5% | .286 | 92 | 4.28 | 109 | -0.1 |
| Sawyer Gipson-Long | 102.0 | 7.3 | 2.7 | 1.1 | 7.1% | 18.9% | .302 | 92 | 4.21 | 109 | 0.9 |
| Wily Peralta | 68.0 | 7.3 | 4.2 | 1.2 | 10.7% | 18.4% | .287 | 92 | 4.80 | 109 | 0.4 |
| Kervin Castro | 57.7 | 8.3 | 4.4 | 0.9 | 11.0% | 20.8% | .293 | 91 | 4.28 | 110 | 0.1 |
| Spencer Turnbull | 75.0 | 7.8 | 3.6 | 1.0 | 9.2% | 19.9% | .295 | 90 | 4.33 | 111 | 0.6 |
| Edwin Uceta | 73.0 | 9.7 | 4.3 | 1.1 | 11.0% | 24.9% | .293 | 90 | 4.24 | 111 | 0.4 |
| Matt Manning | 96.3 | 7.4 | 3.1 | 1.2 | 7.9% | 19.0% | .295 | 90 | 4.36 | 111 | 0.8 |
| Luis Castillo | 47.0 | 7.3 | 3.1 | 1.1 | 7.9% | 18.7% | .303 | 90 | 4.41 | 111 | -0.1 |
| Casey Mize | 107.7 | 6.8 | 2.5 | 1.4 | 6.6% | 17.8% | .276 | 90 | 4.76 | 111 | 0.8 |
| Beau Brieske | 93.7 | 7.0 | 2.7 | 1.3 | 7.0% | 18.3% | .285 | 89 | 4.56 | 112 | 0.7 |
| Mason Englert | 103.3 | 7.3 | 3.1 | 1.1 | 8.1% | 18.8% | .292 | 89 | 4.44 | 112 | 0.8 |
| Garrett Hill | 104.3 | 8.4 | 3.8 | 1.2 | 9.7% | 21.4% | .289 | 89 | 4.53 | 113 | 0.7 |
| Daniel Norris | 75.3 | 8.5 | 3.5 | 1.3 | 9.0% | 21.9% | .286 | 89 | 4.44 | 113 | 0.3 |
| Brendan White | 71.3 | 7.4 | 2.9 | 1.1 | 7.6% | 19.4% | .292 | 88 | 4.49 | 113 | 0.3 |
| Sam Howard | 42.0 | 9.9 | 5.1 | 1.3 | 12.8% | 24.6% | .294 | 88 | 4.75 | 114 | -0.1 |
| Nolan Blackwood | 51.0 | 6.0 | 3.9 | 1.1 | 9.6% | 14.8% | .294 | 87 | 4.76 | 115 | -0.2 |
| Dario Gardea | 49.0 | 7.3 | 2.6 | 1.5 | 6.6% | 18.9% | .295 | 86 | 4.75 | 116 | -0.1 |
| Shea Spitzbarth | 48.7 | 7.4 | 5.0 | 1.1 | 12.4% | 18.3% | .292 | 86 | 4.96 | 117 | -0.2 |
| Tyler Alexander | 91.7 | 6.2 | 2.7 | 1.3 | 7.1% | 16.0% | .291 | 86 | 4.64 | 117 | 0.4 |
| Ricardo Pinto | 84.0 | 7.2 | 4.1 | 1.1 | 10.1% | 17.8% | .298 | 86 | 4.68 | 117 | 0.3 |
| Austin Bergner | 93.3 | 7.7 | 4.1 | 1.3 | 10.3% | 19.2% | .293 | 86 | 4.76 | 117 | 0.5 |
| Layne Henderson | 44.7 | 9.7 | 5.4 | 1.2 | 13.2% | 23.5% | .303 | 85 | 4.63 | 117 | -0.2 |
| Carlos Pena | 81.7 | 7.4 | 3.5 | 1.2 | 8.9% | 18.7% | .295 | 85 | 4.66 | 118 | 0.4 |
| Miguel Diaz | 59.3 | 8.0 | 4.2 | 1.2 | 10.6% | 20.2% | .288 | 85 | 4.64 | 118 | -0.1 |
| Markus Solbach | 59.0 | 6.4 | 3.1 | 1.2 | 7.7% | 16.2% | .305 | 85 | 4.66 | 118 | 0.2 |
| Angel De Jesus | 55.0 | 8.0 | 4.7 | 1.1 | 11.7% | 19.8% | .287 | 84 | 4.99 | 119 | -0.3 |
| Michael Mariot | 66.0 | 5.6 | 3.5 | 1.2 | 8.8% | 13.9% | .296 | 84 | 5.05 | 119 | 0.2 |
| Alex Faedo | 75.0 | 8.0 | 2.9 | 1.6 | 7.4% | 20.6% | .301 | 84 | 4.74 | 119 | 0.3 |
| Yaya Chentouf | 56.7 | 7.0 | 3.5 | 1.3 | 8.8% | 17.6% | .295 | 84 | 4.76 | 119 | -0.3 |
| Daniel Ponce de Leon | 91.3 | 8.0 | 5.1 | 1.1 | 12.7% | 19.8% | .290 | 84 | 4.85 | 119 | 0.3 |
| Cody Sedlock | 77.7 | 7.5 | 4.3 | 1.2 | 10.7% | 18.7% | .299 | 83 | 4.78 | 121 | 0.2 |
| Adam Wolf | 81.0 | 6.9 | 3.8 | 1.3 | 9.4% | 17.1% | .300 | 83 | 4.96 | 121 | 0.2 |
| Bubba Derby | 59.3 | 7.0 | 3.6 | 1.2 | 9.2% | 17.6% | .297 | 82 | 4.87 | 121 | 0.0 |
| Billy Lescher | 41.3 | 7.6 | 3.5 | 1.5 | 8.8% | 19.2% | .295 | 82 | 5.04 | 121 | -0.2 |
| Rony García | 68.0 | 8.3 | 3.4 | 1.6 | 8.9% | 21.5% | .284 | 82 | 4.96 | 122 | 0.1 |
| Chance Kirby | 93.0 | 6.3 | 2.9 | 1.5 | 7.4% | 16.1% | .291 | 82 | 4.98 | 122 | 0.2 |
| Zach Logue | 119.7 | 6.6 | 3.2 | 1.4 | 8.1% | 16.9% | .294 | 82 | 4.89 | 122 | 0.3 |
| Joey Wentz | 82.0 | 8.1 | 4.6 | 1.4 | 11.4% | 20.2% | .291 | 82 | 5.02 | 122 | 0.3 |
| Sean Guenther | 42.7 | 7.6 | 2.7 | 1.5 | 7.0% | 19.4% | .305 | 81 | 4.65 | 123 | -0.2 |
| Aneurys Zabala | 37.0 | 8.8 | 5.6 | 1.0 | 13.5% | 21.1% | .301 | 81 | 4.88 | 124 | -0.2 |
| Logan Shore | 64.3 | 5.7 | 4.1 | 1.3 | 9.9% | 14.0% | .297 | 80 | 5.19 | 125 | 0.0 |
| Bryan Garcia | 80.3 | 6.7 | 4.1 | 1.3 | 10.2% | 16.6% | .289 | 78 | 5.13 | 128 | -0.2 |
| Nivaldo Rodriguez | 66.3 | 5.7 | 4.1 | 1.4 | 10.0% | 14.0% | .293 | 78 | 5.29 | 128 | -0.1 |
| Chavez Fernander | 45.7 | 6.7 | 4.5 | 1.2 | 11.2% | 16.5% | .293 | 78 | 5.15 | 129 | -0.3 |
| Brenan Hanifee | 75.3 | 6.1 | 3.5 | 1.4 | 8.6% | 15.0% | .299 | 77 | 5.30 | 130 | -0.1 |
| Rámon Rosso | 75.0 | 7.7 | 4.6 | 1.4 | 11.2% | 18.9% | .294 | 76 | 5.41 | 131 | -0.2 |
| Elvin Rodriguez | 105.3 | 6.8 | 3.6 | 1.5 | 9.0% | 17.1% | .294 | 75 | 5.28 | 133 | -0.2 |
| Elvis Alvarado | 46.0 | 6.8 | 4.7 | 1.2 | 11.4% | 16.6% | .298 | 75 | 5.22 | 133 | -0.6 |
| Andrew Magno | 40.0 | 8.8 | 7.7 | 1.1 | 17.4% | 20.0% | .291 | 71 | 5.68 | 142 | -0.7 |
| Jared Tobey | 33.7 | 8.3 | 5.9 | 1.6 | 13.8% | 19.4% | .299 | 70 | 5.86 | 143 | -0.6 |
| Zack Hess | 29.3 | 8.6 | 7.4 | 1.5 | 16.9% | 19.7% | .293 | 64 | 6.12 | 156 | -0.7 |
| Player | Pit Comp 1 | Pit Comp 2 | Pit Comp 3 | 80th WAR | 20th WAR | 80th ERA | 20th ERA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alex Lange | Greg Holland | Jack Baldschun | Brian Wilson | 1.5 | 0.1 | 2.81 | 4.35 |
| Andrew Chafin | Bobby Shantz | Ramon Hernandez | Tony Watson | 1.4 | 0.0 | 2.60 | 4.70 |
| Jason Foley | Jeff Gray | Ryan Webb | Pedro Borbon | 0.8 | -0.1 | 3.17 | 4.59 |
| Eduardo Rodriguez | Joe Nuxhall | Jerry Reuss | Jose Quintana | 3.0 | 0.9 | 3.31 | 4.65 |
| Michael Lorenzen | Alexi Ogando 오간도 | Jim Bullinger | Bob Buhl | 2.2 | 0.6 | 3.43 | 4.51 |
| Will Vest | Matt Roney | Larry Kendig | Gary Buckels | 0.7 | -0.3 | 3.41 | 4.89 |
| Nick Vincent | Donn Pall | Bobby Tiefenauer | Orlando Pena | 0.6 | -0.3 | 3.26 | 5.14 |
| Wilmer Flores | Jackson Todd | Frank Castillo | Willie Adams | 2.2 | 0.5 | 3.47 | 4.94 |
| Matthew Boyd | Art Nehf | Ed Brandt | Howie Pollet | 1.8 | 0.2 | 3.55 | 5.07 |
| Miguel Del Pozo | Mark Lee | Buddy Boshers | Tommy Hottovy | 0.7 | -0.5 | 3.29 | 5.29 |
| Trey Wingenter | Josh Fields | Clyde Reichard | Juan Jaime | 0.8 | -0.2 | 3.22 | 5.32 |
| Jake Higginbotham | John Davolio | John Bauer | Rusty Kilgo | 0.5 | -0.3 | 3.58 | 4.96 |
| Reese Olson | Jake Odorizzi | Charlie Beamon | Jhoulys Chacín | 2.1 | 0.4 | 3.70 | 4.96 |
| José Cisnero | Santiago Casilla | Mace Brown | Felix Rodriguez 로드리게스 | 0.6 | -0.5 | 3.39 | 5.40 |
| Tarik Skubal | Dennis Bennett | Greg Swindell | Floyd Bannister | 2.2 | 0.4 | 3.66 | 4.86 |
| Brant Hurter | Mat Batts | Dan Osterbrock | Todd Douma | 1.9 | 0.3 | 3.70 | 5.07 |
| Ricardo Sanchez | Lawrence Staab | Matt Gage | Andrew Lorraine | 1.8 | 0.3 | 3.91 | 5.08 |
| Alex Powers | Dave Wallace | Joe Cascarella | Hector Heredia | 0.4 | -0.4 | 3.67 | 5.37 |
| Joe Navilhon | Matt Karchner | Brian Smith | Mike Devine | 0.5 | -0.4 | 3.85 | 5.31 |
| Ty Madden | Donnie Moore | Dave Melendez | Gordie Pladson | 1.8 | 0.3 | 3.94 | 5.06 |
| Michael Pineda | Don Newcombe | Larry Benton | Doyle Alexander | 1.4 | 0.2 | 3.88 | 5.17 |
| Chasen Shreve | Forrest Thompson | Mike Matthews | John Grabow | 0.3 | -0.5 | 3.74 | 5.52 |
| Sawyer Gipson-Long | Michel Laplante | Rick White | Erik Arnesen | 1.6 | 0.1 | 3.93 | 5.24 |
| Wily Peralta | Alfredo Simon | Bill McGee | Tom Hurd | 0.9 | -0.2 | 3.94 | 5.40 |
| Kervin Castro | Jose Rodriguez | Carl Shelen | Chris Bennett | 0.6 | -0.4 | 3.95 | 5.25 |
| Spencer Turnbull | Larry Maxie | Kelly Downs | Danny Gutierrez | 1.1 | 0.0 | 3.89 | 5.38 |
| Edwin Uceta | Yoervis Medina | Cal Santarelli | Ernesto Frieri | 1.1 | -0.4 | 3.83 | 5.52 |
| Matt Manning | Jack Fisher | Doug Mlicki | Alfredo Figaro 피가로 | 1.4 | 0.1 | 4.00 | 5.22 |
| Luis Castillo | Dave Gil | Kevin Crafton | Ryan Doolittle | 0.3 | -0.5 | 3.93 | 5.43 |
| Casey Mize | Yonny Chirinos | Zach Plesac | Eric Rasmussen | 1.5 | 0.1 | 4.10 | 5.21 |
| Beau Brieske | Cody Anderson | Tom Chamberlain | Luis Andujar | 1.4 | 0.1 | 4.07 | 5.26 |
| Mason Englert | Dave Pavlas | Dave Borkowski | Matt Andriese | 1.5 | 0.0 | 4.09 | 5.30 |
| Garrett Hill | Jorge De Paula | Claudio Vargas | Calvin Maduro | 1.4 | 0.0 | 4.18 | 5.28 |
| Daniel Norris | Chuck Stobbs | Bill Henry | Don Carman | 0.9 | -0.3 | 3.96 | 5.47 |
| Brendan White | Russ Kibler | Justin Souza | Dan Greenhalgh | 0.9 | -0.2 | 3.94 | 5.35 |
| Sam Howard | Matt Smith | Charlie Manning | Neal Cotts | 0.4 | -0.7 | 3.93 | 5.92 |
| Nolan Blackwood | Tony Hudson | Richie Barker | Jamie Vermilyea | 0.2 | -0.6 | 4.29 | 5.54 |
| Dario Gardea | Mike Blais | Jerrod Fuell | Jose Monegro | 0.3 | -0.6 | 3.98 | 5.59 |
| Shea Spitzbarth | Juan Cerros | Terry Bross | Bob Chakales | 0.2 | -0.7 | 4.19 | 5.65 |
| Tyler Alexander | Mike Caldwell | Neal Heaton | Rick Honeycutt | 0.9 | -0.3 | 4.34 | 5.48 |
| Ricardo Pinto | Thomas Arruda | Matt Zaleski | Kasey Olenberger | 0.9 | -0.3 | 4.28 | 5.44 |
| Austin Bergner | Jeff Shaw | Tom Hatch | Jason Bahr | 1.1 | -0.3 | 4.33 | 5.46 |
| Layne Henderson | David Carpenter | Andy Cavazos | Jason Shiell | 0.2 | -0.6 | 4.07 | 5.67 |
| Carlos Pena | Ryan Moskau | Brett Martin | Ed Puig | 0.9 | -0.3 | 4.33 | 5.53 |
| Miguel Diaz | Scott Cassidy | Edwin Moreno | Kyle Martin | 0.3 | -0.7 | 4.19 | 5.77 |
| Markus Solbach | Ken Krahenbuhl | Chi-Chi Olivo | Matt Wright라이트 | 0.6 | -0.2 | 4.28 | 5.53 |
| Angel De Jesus | Jeff Nelson | Eddie Gaillard | Steve Shea | 0.1 | -0.8 | 4.33 | 5.74 |
| Michael Mariot | Al Fitzmorris | Jose Pina | Salvador Valdez | 0.6 | -0.3 | 4.42 | 5.68 |
| Alex Faedo | Tyler Garkow | Rick Forney | David McWatters | 0.9 | -0.3 | 4.28 | 5.64 |
| Yaya Chentouf | Aaron Hartsock | Brandon Harmsen | Jim McCready | 0.2 | -0.7 | 4.24 | 5.53 |
| Daniel Ponce de Leon | Charlie Puleo | Steve Luebber | Eddie Medina | 1.0 | -0.4 | 4.39 | 5.65 |
| Cody Sedlock | George Mecerod | Jerry Hudgins | Tim Crabbe | 0.8 | -0.5 | 4.38 | 5.65 |
| Adam Wolf | Joe Horgan | Derrick Van Dusen | John Gragg | 0.6 | -0.5 | 4.51 | 5.66 |
| Bubba Derby | Hector Ramirez | Brian Edmondson | Bob Wells | 0.5 | -0.4 | 4.42 | 5.65 |
| Billy Lescher | John Nurthen | Paul Josephson | Bob Wells | 0.1 | -0.6 | 4.37 | 5.86 |
| Rony García | Francisco Barrios | Paulo DeLeon | Chris Corn | 0.6 | -0.4 | 4.34 | 5.77 |
| Chance Kirby | Mule Watson | Conor Fisk | Ken Larsen | 0.9 | -0.4 | 4.46 | 5.55 |
| Zach Logue | Jason Wheeler 휠러 | David Huff 허프 | Mike Maroth | 1.0 | -0.8 | 4.51 | 5.81 |
| Joey Wentz | Ted Klamm | Allen McDill | Bill Pulsipher | 0.9 | -0.4 | 4.43 | 5.75 |
| Sean Guenther | Ryan Falcon | Brady Bowen | Jeff Ibarra | 0.2 | -0.6 | 4.34 | 6.04 |
| Aneurys Zabala | Tim Peters | Russell Clark | Don Bright | 0.1 | -0.5 | 4.52 | 5.88 |
| Logan Shore | Joel Navarro | Gary Goldsmith | Guadalupe Perez | 0.3 | -0.4 | 4.72 | 5.75 |
| Bryan Garcia | Luis Munoz | Kyle Drabek | Ken Spratke | 0.4 | -0.8 | 4.67 | 6.00 |
| Nivaldo Rodriguez | Trey Nielsen | Ed Klepacki | Jim Abbott | 0.4 | -0.5 | 4.79 | 5.86 |
| Chavez Fernander | Jacobo Sequea | Stephen Perakslis | Dan Johnston | 0.0 | -0.7 | 4.77 | 5.92 |
| Brenan Hanifee | Troy Evers | Erik Dessau | Brett Kennedy | 0.4 | -0.6 | 4.82 | 5.92 |
| Rámon Rosso | Brian Ahern | Jason Secoda | Travis Anderson | 0.4 | -0.8 | 4.82 | 6.23 |
| Elvin Rodriguez | JT Brubaker | Garrett Schilling | Jon Harris | 0.5 | -0.9 | 4.93 | 6.07 |
| Elvis Alvarado | Ronnie Richardson | Archie Shamblin | Jason Townsend | -0.2 | -0.9 | 4.87 | 6.11 |
| Andrew Magno | Alan McKay | Richard Dare | Bob Cluck | -0.4 | -1.2 | 5.11 | 6.99 |
| Jared Tobey | Eric Place | Pete Cappadona | Ben Griset | -0.3 | -1.1 | 5.11 | 7.09 |
| Zack Hess | Landon Stockman | Ray Perkins | Walter Strong | -0.4 | -1.0 | 5.73 | 7.72 |
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Massive ZIPS/Steamer gap on Vierling, wow. ZIPS seems to still care a lot about long-ago minor league performance than it does recent Statcast data for sure
I would say the Steamer projection is more surprising than the ZiPS one. ZiPS is projecting a poor hitter to continue being a poor hitter. Steamer is projecting a poor hitter to all of the sudden be above average.
His xWOBA was .327 as a rookie. EV and HH rate both borderline elite. Seems promising, no?
Is there any evidence that xwoba is predictive? I’m really asking, I don’t know the answer. If so, he looks like a guy to watch.
I wish we could get an article on this. I believe the answer is no, and also that it really isn’t intended to be.
Yeah I’d like to see more about this too. My understanding is the same as yours. It would help to have more clarity though because I’ve seen fans and even analysts say “so and so’s xwoba is 30 points higher than his woba, we should see improvement going forward!” well do we? or is that just wishful fan talk.
xwOBA is sort of predictive, but my understanding is that Barrel% is much better.
Overall though, hitting the ball hard gives you a lot more room for growth than not. Especially if you can do it without turning into a strikeout machine.
MLB says “xwOBA is more indicative of a player’s skill than regular wOBA.” I would love to know if that’s true, because Tango has said they’re not intended to be predictive.
It’s interesting data but I’ve never been clear on how to use it and how not to use it. I believe wOBA is more predictive of future wOBA given a sufficient sample, but that xwOBA can be more predictive in a smaller sample. I wish they had named them something else, because they get used like defense-independent pitching stats, which generally ARE more predictive.
I think xwOBA does a very good job of capturing when a player has gotten unlucky or lucky. But skill or prediction is something else. Swings can be tough to maintain sometimes. I think that’s why barrel% is predictive beyond just the actual performance… it measures consistency of hitting solidly which is slightly different than what xwOBA measures. Flares have good xwOBA percentages if I recall correctly but hitting flares consistently isn’t easy.
All this is to say I think that xwOBA is probably not the best tool for this job even if it is probably correlated with other measures that would be meaningful and help.
Right. I think it also does not incorporate any directionality data, so it probably overvalues dead pull hitters and undervalues all-fields types.
I’d read an article at who was the king of each batted ball type. Or best and worst hitters in each category
This is the first time I’ve ever thought about what “dead cat bounce” actually means, and (1) I’m not sure that’s an accurate metaphor for regression to the mean and (2) I’m horrified by the circumstances where such a thing would occur in real life.
Definitely not the correct use of the term, which is a temporary increase in a falling asset followed by further decline. I get the feeling the Tigers won’t get better this year and then fall off further than last year’s worst case scenario without notably changing personnel.
I’m sure Dan, of all people, hasn’t given any thought to #2 🙁
There’s a section of the people who maimed cats. “Dead cat bounce”, “skin the cat”, “cats out of the bag” (who put a cat in a bag?), etc
It comes from the saying “even a dead cat will bounce if it falls from a great height.” It is sort of (but not really) analogous to “even a blind chicken picks up a little grain every now and then” in that it refers to fairly random events that absolutely do not predict the future and can fool you into thinking that they do.
I’m…not sure that saying is correct, although maybe the surface they were thinking of is different.
I love the idea of Javy Baez as a league average-ish producer at the plate (97 OPS+ projection). Like if you were trying to explain baseball to someone you would point to Javy and be like “the average player hits like Javy does”. Lol
What!! Milton Friedman assured me they would win 120 games
Did he say over 1 season or 2?
Andrew Chafin opted out and is a free agent, unless you are reporting something I didn’t know about his return.
He includes players who are free agents on the projections for their previous teams so we can see what their projections are.
Unless it has been edited out, there was a mention in the article about Chafin remaining in the pen.
… Confirmed, it has been edited out.
That seems to me like a pretty optimistic projection on both Baez (offensively) and Greene and Austin Meadows (defensively). But if Meadows was sort of competent as a left fielder in Tampa Bay, so I could see an alignment of Austin Meadows in LF and Greene in RF being pretty good. Maybe Parker Meadows surprises them but this team could really, really use a center fielder. Maybe Wenceel Perez could be given reps out there? This alignment seems like a really weird way to get Baddoo in LF, where his bat probably doesn’t profile.
Aside from that–which they need to solve simply because the outfield defense will be embarrassing otherwise–I think this team is very obviously in rebuilding mode, so if any if E-Rod or Baez performs well they’re probably trade bait. If they perform at the projected levels here and play as much as the Depth Charts suggest, they’ll probably opt out (if Taillon and Taijuan Walker got those deals, E-Rod will beat his current contract for sure since he can’t get a QO). Meadows could be extended, since he’s only 27; I’d probably prefer that to trading him but he could also be dealt if he gets hot.
They mostly need to figure out what they can get out of their array of curious 20-somethings: Torkelson, Manning, Turnbull, Wentz, Olson, Kreidler, Rogers, Sands, Lipicious, Carpenter, Maton, and Short all could be useful players, and some might actually be good. So I wouldn’t be in a rush to get any veteran infielders or catchers, and with Vierling as a 4th OF I don’t think they need backups in the corner outfield either.
Don’t forget about Wilmer Flores either. I think they’ve actually got several under the radar prospects that could carve out decent MLB careers.
What a deeply depressing situation, and proof that tearing down to the studs comes with massive risk. There’s a world where the Tigers have to rebuild after a rebuild, except this time they won’t have any real talent to trade. I’m really concerned about the pitching; at a certain point going year in and year out with the belief “this is the year all the young studs put it all together” doesn’t hold water anymore. Some of these pitching prospects might just truly be inescapable injury busts. Essentially everything about this team this year is trying to figure out what Tork/Greene/Mize/Manning/Skubal have, but the pitchers are all already going to miss so much of 2023 I’m not even sure that we will know the answer to that a year from now. The Tigers didn’t even draft poorly by any “at the time” rankings over the years, they just had an extremely old school, one size fits all pitching and hitting dev team that I fear might have irreparably damaged these kids.
By 2024 Jackson Jobe may be big league ready. So it’s an entire rotation of could-be quality pitchers.
Pretty insane the failure rate they’re at though
Yeah Mize is 26 now (drafted in 2018!), Manning is about to turn 25. Not old but not babies, and man, basically nothing to show. Guess you can file this under “build via hitting and sign FA pitchers” instead of vice versa.
I would argue the fault lays less in the strategy (rebuilding) and more in the execution (poor draft choices).
In retrospect they are but most of their drafts were graded well at the time. Mize was a bad #1 in a down year but still a close consensus to #1 for instance.
In 2017 what were the Tigers supposed to do? “Tearing down to the studs comes with massive risk.” But I’m not seeing what their other option was. If anything their failures were holding JD too long and not selling high on Boyd and Fulmer. Even the very richest teams can’t fill a roster without some home grown talent. The core problem is they are bottom third at developing talent. Until that improves or they get lucky with some of the prospects, they will spin their wheels. This isn’t Oakland where they ship out players before they get expensive–they will very happily extend players. But the cupboard was bare.
I’m not sure they did have a better option yea, but teams have done a tear down from a less weak position and clearly it doesn’t always work.
What a dreadful mess of a team. Rebuilds can be done pretty quickly, especially in a weak NL central but the Tigers have been in a rebuild for 7 years with no sign of a good team coming. Avila was a horrible GM so it will take some time to undo his mess. It’s incredible that in all the assets they traded (Price, Martinez, Upton, Verlander, Kinsler, etc…) I’m not sure they got back a single player that’s more than a fringe major leaguer.
Well, Kinsler had a no-trade clause and only wanted to play for the Angels. But aside from that, I went back and looked–the best player out of that group was Matt Boyd. There are a couple of missed opportunities–they really should have traded both Fulmer and Boyd when they were hot and had a lot of interest–but even among the group they did trade that’s a very bad return.
And they can’t really do a full rebuild now because they already have a team full of exactly what a rebuilding team should get–guys who had promise who haven’t fulfilled it yet and have a ton of team control (Greene, Torkelson, Manning, Mize, etc) and role players with a ton of team control who could break out (Carpenter, Maton, Lipicus, Rogers, Baddoo). If Baez and E-Rod do well, they’re the only ones left who could bring something back in trades to accelerate the rebuild.
Kind of amazing how bad Avila was; he was a hot commodity for years under Dombrowski and lots of teams wanted him. Dombrowski has an oldschool reputation still but he’s clearly grown; all the Driveline and biometric stuff in Philly is really advanced. Avila never did grow or do anything like that. Real shame.
I’m pretty sure this is one of the worst 7 or 8 teams in baseball. The Nationals and A’s are going to probably be much worse, and the Pirates and Royals might be below them too. But the Pirates and Royals have a lot more upside and the Tigers are in a similar talent bracket as the Rockies.
I think the Tigers definitely have more talent than the Rockies in general, but that’s only including the injured young pitchers
Note that Chafin is a free agent; I need to stop polishing up things at four AM as I’m like 70% dumber than usual that late.
Couple things:
Glad to see my buddy Austin get a solid projection. Hope his brother is able to join him this year.
Never heard of Kerry Carpenter until today, but he looks like he could maybe be a solid corner guy. He somehow cut his K rate by 15 percentage points going from AA to AAA. I imagine he’s like a 45 FV although I know nothing about his defense.
How in the world did Schoop post the OAA numbers he did last year? He was #1 in baseball!
Things are looking bleak in Detroit.
How in the world is Jonathan Schoop only 31.
Last year the fielding bible gave him 8 runs at second. OAA 27! RAA 20! steamer says he was 22 DEF towards WAR. All elite defensive numbers all round. Yet all the projection systems for this season think he is going to be Zips 0 or steamer -.5 on defense. I know defensive numbers can be volatile, but it seems weird to me that he ranks so low after an elite season with the glove.
Anyone else see how quickly the Baez deal turned sour and get a little nervous about the Swanson deal? Both players signed deals entering their age 29 seasons. Both were very good defenders but average-ish hitters. Both had around 3300 PAs in the majors when they signed their deals, and Baez had been a good bit better both as a hitter and as a defender. He put up about 22 WAR in those 3300 PAs compared to Swanson’s 16 WAR. The teams are also in similar spots. Neither is contending now but both treat the signing as a signal to fans that they’re trying to move in the right direction.
Obviously Baez has a very unique hitting profile while Swanson is more normal, which might help Swanson age better. I’d certainly rather have Swanson right now. But I do think there’s some pressure on him in 2023. If he has a mediocre year like Javy did that contract could look bad really quickly.
I think with Swanson trending upwards over the last few seasons, I’d be less concern with him compared to Baez’ performance, which seemed to have no rhyme or reason with its year-to-year fluctuation.
If you’re looking at Swanson’s early career numbers to compare total WAR, it’s going to look bad. He was brought up early and took some time to establish himself.
This sort of depends what you mean by a mediocre year. I think he’s probably going to put up similar performance to 2021 most of the time–about a 3.5 win player. If a $25M AAV for the next 7 years for a 3.5 win shortstop sounds good to you, and he does it, then there’s nothing to worry about. If you’re expecting more than that, then I’m going to guess you are going to judge it a bad deal from the get-go.
That said, if he has a year kind of like his 2019, then yes I would say this would look pretty bad to everyone. I just don’t think that’s likely; Baez is a uniquely volatile guy because he has enormous physical gifts and makes horrendous decisions. (Also, I’m not a fan of giving a 3.5 win player $25M AAV for the next 7 years, so I kind of thing it’s probably going to look a bit disappointing when this is all over–but what’s done is done!)
I don’t think either contract will look bad when they’re over. Both guys play SS/MIF defense and hit HRs, extremely Valuable
Got mad lub for Alex Lange, hope he gets a shot at the rotation one day (2024?). Guy went 300 (IP)/400 (Ks) at perennial CWS contender LSU, which frankly would have broken many, and all he got for it was to be disregarded by most prospect outlets even after going late first. It’s a veeeeeerrrrrrry Future: Now path as the league fattens the NCAA player pool while poaching coaches.
i doubt Lange will ever start a game. he’s got pretty nasty stuff but his command/control is too inconsistent
Meh, I disagree. Nice wide skillset, growing mix of pitches, plenty of velo throughout the mix, and neither control or command is a weakness. Throw in the healthy arm, makeup, and pedigree and seems like one of the more obvious Future reliever to SP candidates in the sport
I would say all aspects of Lange’s game screams reliever to me. He has a lot of potential as a shut-down reliever in the back end of a bullpen. However, nothing in his profile indicates that the Tigers should even give him an attempt at being a starter.
Nothing is a very strong word when you really really just mean the double digit BB% and current role. Its definitely not an issue with the stuff I mentioned and (ideally/hopefully) there’s alot of years left
Their rotation has so much upside it aint even funny:
Rodriguez
skubal
Manning
Mize
Lorenzen
Turnbell
Boyd
3 years ago, yes. I think it still has upside but I really don’t believe in Mize and Manning anymore.
That seems unfair, Mize looked pretty good in 21 before injuries ruined 22. Manning also rebounded from early season injury and posted decent numbers outside the 7 run Seattle game. Is it just injury that’s making you lose hope in them? Or Manning’s K rates? Cause that’s where he looks susceptible to me.
Lack of K’s when healthy + injury concerns for both guys. I mean I hope they rebound because I hate what’s happening in Detroit, but I just don’t have that much faith. Plus even if they get healthy I think it’ll be a few years before they can build up to a full workload (Mize more so than Manning) and by that time they will be pushing 30.
I would love someone breaking down exactly what happened to Manning. Aside from “prospects bust, that’s what they do.” He looked like he had real bat-missing stuff in the minors and when he got to the majors he absolutely did not miss bats.
I do know that in 2020 he had a severe bout with covid. He and the team never fully let on, but he lost over 30 pounds and combined with his forearm strain really just had a year that didn’t just delay development but rewound it. He was mentally not at all the same for awhile a couple sources close to the team said.
To be fair, Verlander had trouble missing bats when he came up
Personally i don’t think you can really look at projections for this type of team due to lack of track record on the players. Most of these players are rookies or close to it. Bunch of huge prospects who haven’t hit potential yet so i kind of see optimism here.
I think this could be a .500 ball club. They had so many position starters last year with sub 5% walk rate and no power. They got rid of all of those.
Schoop will have better year or he won’t make it past May. I think Lipscious could have a strong debut and surprise people. Greene should improve, Torkelson Should improve as they are going into year 2. Think they take a huge leap forward past projections.
Carpenter will outperform projections and will be starting somewhere. He had a great debut. Malloy could have big debut. Rogers will be back from injury handling the P staff again.. Based on his performance in 2021…Rogers is my MLB breakout candidate of the year and could be the tigers rep in the all star game. Could be his first Gold Glove of many.
Haase can swing it, he could put up 20 HRs this year, he’s put up 30 in AAA. They have also moved the fences in at comerica and tango is saying its going to help 12% in HRs which is huge bump in OPS.
Winceel Perez should debut as well, he comes with huge potential. Starting Pitching will be much healthier this year. To me, the concern looking at this team is the BP. That was one of their strengths last year with a top 5 bp in MLB, but those guys are all gone. (Jimenez, Soto, Fulmer, Chafin + Others.) Almost impossible to replace those level of BP arms. I know the FO thinks they can, but that’s not realistic.
Everything didn’t go the Tigers way in 2022 and they won 66 games. Tons of Injuries etc. If everything falls like it could i could def see this team posting 80 wins. just my .02c
I think what you’re trying to say is that projections of such a young team will necessarily have more variance. This is one reason why Dan providing 80th/20th percentile outcomes is very useful.
I don’t think it’s worth throwing the projections in the trash just because you assume the model doesn’t account for the possibility of young talent suddenly blossoming, especially when the model does in fact do that. If you’re going to trash it, at least make sure it does what you think it does before you trash it.
Last year the Models said the tigers were going to win how many games? Call it bad luck, call it a bad model, call it variance, call it young prospects that havent peaked, call it whatever…..my point remains the same. This team could easily surprise.
In 2019 Nationals the year they won the WS they were projected to finish 4th in their division going into june and had only a 12% chance of making the playoffs. They were almost 10 Games below .500
I really thought that with Mize, Manning, Skubal, Greene, and Torkelson that the Tigers would be contenders by 2023 (or at least where the Orioles are).
It seems like exceptional bad luck, especially on the pitching side.
Saying Albert Pujols had a solid finale is a bit of an understatement. Considering his age and previous seasons, he should not have been able to do what he did. He broke baseball math.
He basically had a Johnny Cash finale.
Juiced baseballs and who knows what else will do that
That Brian Giles comp for Austin Meadows was unexpected.
Just for those who forget, Brian Giles age 27 season was last with CLE, traded to Pirates for his age 28 season (Meadows 2023 aged season) where he started his first of multi year run from 1999-2002 where Giles was top 5 hitter in all of baseball by wRC+ and top 10 in WAR, behind only Barry Bonds, A-Rod, Jason Giambi, Sammy Sosa, Andruw Jones (wow that Defensive WAR), and Luis Gonzalez by WAR.
Just came to reminisce about one of my favorite players who was probably had his performance enhanced by science….and if Austin Meadows takes that kind of step forward the Tigers would be much more exciting!
Austin will have to consult a supplier for that comp