The Yankees Should Extend Harrison Bader

Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports

I’ll level with you: We’re squarely in baseball’s dead period. That’s fine. There are plenty of other sports going on, there’s more to life than sports, the great outdoors beckons, and so on. But this is a baseball website, not a winter activities website or even a football one. I’m actually in Canada on a ski trip as I put the finishing touches on this article, having watched the NFL playoffs this weekend. But I’m not here to talk about that! I’m here to make up a contract extension for one of my favorite players, and you’ll just have to humor me. (Though if you want to banter about skiing, might I suggest my weekly chats?)

That’s right: let’s talk about Harrison Bader, the once exuberantly-coiffed Yankees outfielder. The Bronx Bombers swapped Jordan Montgomery for Bader at the trade deadline last year in a move that neither team’s fanbase was in love with. Both players then turned around and contributed exactly what their team was hoping for – quality innings for Montgomery and lol-how-did-he-catch-that defense for Bader. Now, I think the Yankees should stop thinking of Bader as a two-year commitment and put a ring on it – or at least, a multi-year contract.

The obvious reason to do so is that Bader turns the Yankees outfield from defensively adequate to significantly above average. One of the underrated aspects of Aaron Judge’s 2022 performance was plus defense in center field, but one of the properly rated aspects of his performance was that he put up the best offensive season since Barry Bonds. When someone hits like that, keeping their bat in the lineup is of the utmost importance, and giving Judge an easier defensive assignment and occasional time at DH is thus advisable.

When the Yankees had no other good options in center, running Judge out there every day was fine. With Bader in tow, though, Judge can return to being an excellent corner outfielder instead. Average defense in center is a neat skill to have, but Bader is light years beyond that. He’s a perennial Gold Glove contender, and that might be underselling it. Beginning in 2017, his first full season in the majors, Statcast has Bader as the fourth-best center fielder in the game, 46 runs above average, behind only Lorenzo Cain, Byron Buxton, and Kevin Kiermaier. Prefer other defensive metrics? DRS thinks he’s fifth-best (behind Kiermaier, Michael A. Taylor, Buxton, and Cain) and UZR thinks he’s the best, period.

That kind of defense is worth sacrificing offense over. Take Kiermaier, for example. He’s a consistently league average hitter, yet the notoriously tight-fisted Rays made him their highest-paid player for years, and he averaged more than 4 WAR per 600 plate appearances in his time there. Per our own glossary, 4 WAR is on the borderline between good player and All-Star. Reaching 600 plate appearances is far from automatic, but Kiermaier is nevertheless instructive: if you play that kind of defense, an average batting line means your overall production is borderline All-Star level.

Conveniently, Bader and Kiermaier have the exact same career wRC+ (97). Bader is four years younger, which accounts for his superior 2023 projections, but if you think of current Bader as a right-handed version of peak Kiermaier, you won’t be far off. That’s a really nice player, as I’ve repeatedly mentioned here, and there’s even room for him to be better than that. He had a poor 2022 at the plate, thanks in large part to a complete power outage, but the bones of a good hitter are undoubtedly there. He’s previously hit for power, he’s cut down on his strikeouts significantly in the past two years, and his 2022 was so interrupted by injury that it’s hardly surprising he was inconsistent. If you combine his regular- and post-season numbers, he put up a 102 wRC+ anyway, with a five-homer outburst in October matching the number he hit all year before then.

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If you’re locking Bader into your plans for a while, you’ll always have to deal with the risk of injury. He’s averaged roughly 400 plate appearances per year (excluding 2020) in his career, though it’s not all due to poor health; he spent time on the Cardinals as more of a rotation outfielder than a locked-in starter. He spent the first half of his 2017 rookie season as their fourth outfielder and was briefly demoted to the minors in ’18. He’s dealt with injuries since then, but nothing career-altering.

Luckily for the Yankees, “part-time center fielder” is squarely in Judge’s repertoire. Combine those two and utilityman Oswaldo Cabrera, season to taste with Aaron Hicks, and there’s plenty of defensive capability to pick up slack for any time Bader misses. There’s no prospect-blocking issue here, either: Jasson Domínguez and Everson Pereira, the team’s top two outfield prospects, aren’t major-league ready yet and would both look better in a corner anyway. Cabrera is a natural infielder, which means that even if Pereira forces his way to the majors immediately, the team could shuffle things around and still make use of Bader’s superlative defense.

Enough beating around the bush already: How much do I think the Yankees should sign Bader for? I started by looking for comparisons, but there truly aren’t many. Bader has only one year remaining before free agency, and his 2023 salary is already locked in thanks to a two-year extension he signed with the Cardinals before the start of last season. The question, then, is what the Yankees would have to offer him from 2024 onward to convince him to forgo free agency. 2024 will be Bader’s age-30 season, though he’s young for that designation due to a June 3rd birthday. The list of similar contracts is quite short.

Maybe he could get Chris Taylor’s contract, four years and $60 million, though it’s not a perfect fit as Taylor was a better hitter and a worse, albeit more flexible, defender when he signed that deal. Jackie Bradley Jr. signed a two-year, $24 million deal in 2021, though he was older at the time (he had a career 93 wRC+ at the time he signed that deal as his offensive collapse had yet to occur). Kiermaier himself just signed a $9 million pact with the Blue Jays after playing out the balance of his contract in Tampa Bay, but he’s meaningfully older.

Would something like four years and $50 million get the job done? I assume it would, though again Bader’s case is a hard one to consider given the nature of his contributions. Defense is generally valued less than offense in free agency, particularly for players approaching 30, but then there aren’t many defenders like Bader.

With this hypothetical contract in mind, I had Dan Szymborski run ZiPS on Bader’s next five seasons. The results blew me away:

ZiPS Projection – Harrison Bader
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB + DR WAR
2023 .250 .319 .419 356 52 89 17 2 13 50 30 92 13 104 13 3.2
2024 .246 .316 .408 353 50 87 17 2 12 48 30 91 12 100 13 2.9
2025 .243 .315 .398 342 48 83 16 2 11 46 30 88 10 97 13 2.7
2026 .240 .313 .392 329 45 79 16 2 10 42 29 86 9 96 12 2.4
2027 .237 .308 .385 312 41 74 15 2 9 39 27 83 8 92 11 2.1

That’s the statline of a star player with injury concerns. Despite never topping 400 PA in a season, Bader projects to play at an All-Star level when healthy; his 2023 projection is a nearly 5 WAR per 600 PA pace. ZiPS would offer him a four-year, $88 million extension, though Dan noted that he doesn’t believe Bader could actually get that in free agency, merely that ZiPS has a particularly high estimation of him.

Of note, ZiPS doesn’t think Bader’s defense will decline much at all over the next few years. That’s partially because it hasn’t yet, and partially because, as Dan put it, his defensive ability doesn’t seem to be speed-based. Bader is certainly fast, but he stands out most in reaction time and route-running. He’s consistently one of the best center fielders when it comes to initial jump. As Davy Andrews pointed out last October, that often means worse routes, but not Bader: he’s an average route runner, which is difficult when you react so quickly that you might not yet have a firm bead on the ball. If you can run an average route while breaking immediately, your defensive range will outstrip your speed. He also has an above-average arm, which certainly doesn’t hurt his defensive chops.

I don’t think the Yankees will offer Bader ZiPS’ suggested extension. I don’t think anyone would offer him that in free agency. That’s simply not the way major league teams value defense, and again, look at the (lack of) aging curve on those defensive numbers. ZiPS thinks Bader is something of a unicorn there, and it’d hardly be surprising if other systems disagreed. On a lesser contract, though, I think that the Yankees would be well-served by a Bader extension. Only last year, they traded for Andrew Benintendi at the deadline to shore up a weak outfield unit, and the 2024 free agent class doesn’t offer many alternatives unless Cody Bellinger bounces back meaningfully this year.

Maybe this is all overly speculative on my part. Maybe the Yankees view Bader as more of a one-year stopgap. I don’t think that’s the case, though. He’s too good of a roster fit. He’s too good of a player. Heck, he’s too good of a marketing coup; “the Bronxville Bomber” is a dynamite nickname, and his outfield shimmies are a delightful signature. He’s in the exact financial circumstance where an extension that trades upside for security makes sense. The whole thing is too logical not to happen.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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Mahoney
3 years ago

Simple. Do what this site does for the depth charts projections and do a mashup of ZiPS and another relevant estimate:

ZiPS: 4 years/$88 million…too high

Aaron Hicks’ current deal: 7 years/$70 million plus club option…too low.

Mashup: 5 years/$75 million. Equals Benintendi’s deal, which strangely feels right even though they get to their value in totally different ways.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 years ago

I suspect him getting offered a contract would have much more to do with the temperament of the owner than the temperament of the city/fanbase.

It only takes one as they say, but I’m struggling to envision it.

Last edited 3 years ago by soddingjunkmail
miltonfriedman
3 years ago

San Diego, detroit,White Sox,Texas,Baltimore,Cleveland,Miami. Off thetop of my head

paulkrugman
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Off with your whole head, would be a good solution to the worlds problems.

Dave Stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  paulkrugman

Two parrotty account’s trading insult’s. Loll.

Ruben Amaro Jr.
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Stewart

Smartass.

John Elway
3 years ago

Dave Stewart, Ruben Amaro Jr. and Shirtless Bartolo Colon walk into a bar….

Just neighing.

Shirtless Bartolo Colon
3 years ago
Reply to  John Elway

Hay!

miltonfriedman
3 years ago
Reply to  paulkrugman

Why?

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago

Nobody wants that kind of headcase on their hands. The publicity battle would take up too much room. I doubt even the Astros, known for questionable choices in drafting and signing (remember when their former GM had to be talked out of drafting a convicted child molester?), would be willing to bring him in.

miltonfriedman
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

In tampa? No, it wouldn’t.

colecardsMember since 2024
3 years ago

After watching him for years on the Cardinals, I think 4 years/85 million is fairly reasonable. Good centerfielders are very, very rare in the league right now. This last FA class really only had Nimmo and next year is sparse as well.

Bader changes the complexion of a team’s outfield defense, runs the bases as well as anyone, and is completely adequate at the plate. Not to mention, he is crazy fun to watch.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  colecards

Nimmo is a good point of reference, but (1) is a much better hitter than Bader and (2) got his money from the Mets…which isn’t 100% reflective of his real market value.

tung_twista
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

I get that Bader’s defense is superior, but a player with career wRC+ 134 (career low wRC+ 114 among six seasons with 200+ PAs) is NOT a good point of reference for a player with career wRC+ 97 (career high wRC+ 110 among four seasons with 200+ PAs).

paulkrugman
3 years ago

Texas would be perfect. Lots of facists there.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

The background to all this is that there are very, very few center fielders who a contender can feel confident will both hit and field their position at an average-ish or better level. Julio Rodriguez, Michael Harris II, Daulton Varsho, and Dylan Carlson are the ones that come to mind immediately. Grisham was in that category, and might be again; I feel pretty confident Corbin Carroll will join them. Robert, Trout, Buxton, and Nimmo are absolutely stars when they play, although the injury concerns temper that a bit. Cedric Mullins is probably still good enough to defend center field, but the arm is a question mark. And then Harrison Bader.

That’s only 12 center fielders, for 30 teams. Maybe, maybe you could add Chas McCormick to that list.

The rest of them are a mixed bag offensively and defensively. Bryan Reynolds and Shane Greene (and maybe Cedric Mullins) are corner outfielders. Laureano is no longer a viable center fielder. Bellinger can no longer hit, Jose Siri never could, and Myles Straw’s offensive contributions look like flukes. I have no idea what to expect from Enrique Hernandez anymore. Kiermaier is too fragile to be counted on for more than about 300 PAs.

Because you don’t have an option to not play a center fielder, and because of the obvious attrition rate for center fielders out there (meaning Judge isn’t really an option), Bader is enormously valuable. And the Yankees can’t really wait for Dominguez to put it all together, because it might not be until 2025 (and Pereira is almost certainly a right fielder defensively). There might be room for a deal because of Bader’s injury concerns, meaning he might take the bird-in-hand, and the Yankees are better equipped than most teams to have a contract go sideways. Something like a 3 year, $48M deal with a $16M vesting option if he gets at least 400 PAs in either of the last two years of the deal would seem fair to me. But you can’t really go any lower than that on AAV and might even need to go higher, because the going pillow-deal rate for a legitimate CF coming off a down year is the Bellinger deal.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Lol, for these very reasons I’d love to see the Red Sox offer Rafaela an Albies-like extension before he even hits AAA…heck, maybe even up the money to a Scott Kingery level. Kid has a Juan Beniquez 50th percentile, which is more than worth such a deal.

Ozzie Albies
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Kingery level…ouch.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Just out of curiosity, I went to see who has good CF prospects that could be ready soon and therefore might not be in the bidding for Bader if he becomes a free agent (along with the teams mentioned here). The Brewers are out since they have Mitchell and Frelick. The Orioles have Cowser (but also still have Mullins). That’s about it for players who could be up in 2023.

The A’s and Nationals will be rebuilding and probably won’t be interested, so they’re out. The Guardians seem to not be interested in adding outfielders, ever, which is ridiculous but probably what will happen.

Jasson Dominguez, Evan Carter, Jackson Chourio, Ceddanne Rafaela, and maybe Pete Crow-Armstrong could be ready by 2024, depending on what happens this year. So interestingly, the Yankees might actually be in less dire need of a CFer than a bunch of different teams. So you could easily see the Phillies, Giants, Tigers, Reds, Rockies, Marlins, Rays, Pirates, and Royals involved with Bader. That’s a very robust market before we even get to the Yankees/Red Sox/Cubs, even if several of the teams listed are notoriously stingy spenders.

John WickMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Specific to the Yankees — is Jasson going to be a CF? Not up to speed on his current progress but the gist I got reading reports from earlier last year was that most folks thought he was going to be headed for a corner.

More generally, though, this point is spot on — there aren’t that many sure-fire defensive CF options who can also hit at a MLB level, and not a ton in the pipeline either. You can look at the Varsho return as a strong signal that these guys are going to be valuable.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  John Wick

I don’t know, but Dominguez’s defensive stats per Clay Davenport are not bad; he’s put up positive value in CF there even if it’s not a lot. I know he’s slowed down a bit but Eric still graded him as a 55 speed in the future last go-around. If we’re projecting his body forward it’s entirely possible he has to shift to a corner but I guess I’d wait for Eric to say that’s likely before jumping to that conclusion. If he can play even average defense in CF he’s way more valuable there than being plus in RF or LF.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

In some ways I’m getting a bit of J-Rod deja vu when it comes to Domiguez, so it’s not entirely out of the realm of possibility that he works specifically on his sprint speed this offseason so he can stay in CF. He’s already checked off the “get K rate down substantially” box, and has the “superb athlete” and “multiple raw tools” boxes going for him from the moment he signed.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

As always, let’s see what happens in AA. But I don’t think he has anywhere near J-Rod’s bat control, even if there are some tool similarities.

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

He’s insanely fast. I’ve been to some of his games and he’s probably a 70 runner. Not a scout but his speed is real. Also, Dominguez lost a year of development to the pandemic. He’s still very raw.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Cubs are an interesting case…if PC-A ends up with JBJ type struggles at the plate, they may still role the dice with Alcantara in 2024 in CF if he takes a big leap in the mid-minors in 2023. If neither prospect is an option, they might be in on Bader, though I somehow think that would only happen if they could get him via a cheap one-year deal.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Everyone’s forgotten about Brennen Davis so quickly and easily but he’s still the Cubs’ best and most ready ML OF propsect, has CF tools

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

That’s funny, he didn’t show up on my list because I got it from filtering CFs on THE BOARD and he’s listed in RF. I’m not sure why they shifted him over there since there’s nothing in the writeup there. I’m guessing he starts in CF anyway, and maybe moves off of it once he slows down / better defenders are available / he proves he can’t handle it.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Probably just a frame thing, really he can play any of the three OF spots. Davis is a going to be a great example on the younger end of The Future of this more dynamic player development environment: lifelong, backed by high levels of capital early in life, often athletic bloodlines, and a ton of early focus on fundamentals and technique. Comes from tremendous athletic bloodlines with his father a decade+ NBA starter turned longtime coach and college program director, mother a track and field athlete in college. Was an all conference defensive guard as a HS basketball player on a state championship team, something I think was highly influential in the very technical baseball game he’s developed. Whenever healthy he’s hit hard flyballs, doesn’t chase, takes walks, and shows all fields power in game often with a solid batting average. Given the assumptions you might see from a more general profile on draft day and even beyond, a raw two sport guy with a premium frame, he’s shown a very polished and in demand skillset on offense throughout (though he could clean up last year’s 45% GB rate)

This is maybe most to say I’m optimistic about the defense and think he may be more of a “true” CF prospect than advertised. He’s a giant athlete (listed 6’4″ 210) but makes himself small, moves well, seems flexible, has massively improved his footwork and arm strength…My ask is small and humble: somewhere between Mike Cameron and George Springer

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Ooooh shucks this is not drowned out in a sea of crazy comment

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

If fully healthy, he’s poised to be next in line for CF.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

the Cubs’ best

Ew, bad phrasing…Best OF prospect in the org

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m fine with Myles Straws’ offensive offensive contributions as long as a) he continues to play GG level defense and b) Tito never, ever, ever bats him leadoff again.

baubo
3 years ago

Assuming Bader is confident about his health going forward, I don’t think he accepts an extension unless it’s full market value. Next year is a soft FA class and CF right now is an absolute crater after the few top guys. He won’t get Nimmo money but he should get at least $100mil-ish over 5~6 years on the open market, with potential for a lot more if he has a good season. And not much less with a bad season.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

I agree that if we accept take your premise, then the conclusion follows. But “assuming Bader is confident about his health going forward”…why would he be?

johndarc
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Pro sports players famously lack self confidence /s

baubo
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Basically what johndarc says, athletes who can reach the majors are just notoriously confident compared to normal people. And it’s not like some injury will kill his entire value (see Benetendi). After looking at what FAs got this offseason, I have a hard time thinking Bader will actually not feel confident about $$ for the upcoming season. Whereas the contracts compared to in this article are more pre-2023 contracts which IMO needs to be inflated for future contracts.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

If he’s willing to play in Mexico, he will definitely get a deal there. Call it the Luke Heimlich precedent.

Luhnow’s the only front office exec of recent vintage who would want to do something like this, and he’s out of the league. So that leaves an impulsive owner who can’t be talked out of a bad decision by his front office. That would leave Crane, Reinsdorf, and Moreno–although when you start thinking through their actual decision-making history, it seems extremely unlikely any of them would do it.

free-range turducken
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If the Mexican team can secure the rights to the phrase “Eastbound and Down” and pass those along to Bauer, I can see him signing on without any hesitation.

(Or remorse)

KervinMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Yankees jumped on the Aroldis Chapman trade *after* other teams backed away when news broke of the domestic violence investigation, so I think it would be fair to throw Cashman in with Luhnow here.

Of course Gerrit Cole is already on the Yankees, which would probably be reason enough for them to want Bauer. Not that I think they’d seriously be interested anyway.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Mexico? I guess you missed the executive who said he’s need to find a job on another planet.

Personally, I look forward to Dan translating ZiPS between MLB and the Andromeda Galactic Pro League.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
3 years ago

The Braves kept Ozuna.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

Yeah but he had a sunk cost fallacy to deal with, and they had a read on how the clubhouse would react. And the actual outcomes of cutting players who have committed DV is actually extremely murky because often longer-term employers can keep employees on the straight and narrow. The Cubs had a similar issue with Addison Russell who abused his wife for years, and ultimately his ex-wife ultimately decided to ask the Cubs to give him a second chance.

miltonfriedman
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

We still honor MLK,Bill Clinton, John Lennon, Kobe Bryant, etc,etc.

'Tungsten Arm" O'Doyle
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Look we get it “milton”. You want to paint conservatives with a broad brush as being hateful and ass backwards, and that is probably your internet right. But trying to paint a libertarian like Milton Friedman as a right-wing nut on social issues is pretty damn ridiculous. Favoring free-market capitalism over central government planning of all items economic does not make one the second coming of Hitler.

miltonfriedman
3 years ago

Are you messing with me? I agree with Milton on 95% of things.

Shirtless Johan Santa
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Gotta agree with “Tungsten Arm” here. It only seems you post to say wrong-minded stuff but doing so under a famous person’s name is just basically trolling him. Saying you support Milton on 95% of things, after you say the crap you do here, would be like having a “berniesanders” account, making comments supporting re-education camps, and then saying you only agree with 95% of what Bernie says when someone calls you out.

My two cents, back to whatever this column was about in the first place.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago

Seeing all the comments quickly on a Harrison Bader article got me curious. Ahh, we just talking about Trevor Bauer. Makes more sense now!

MTfor42Member since 2025
3 years ago

Except we don’t exactly have a free market in this country. Below market land leases for oil and gas development, negligible enforcement of antitrust legislation, high sticker prices for puts to bet against corporations, different tax brackets depending on the source of income, taxing wage workers MORE on overtime hours than anything less than 40, 501C4’s that enable unlimited, anonymous campaign donations, etc etc etc. The theory of a genuinely free market is one thing, what we actually have is something else entirely: the golden rule. “Whoever has the most gold makes the rules”.

SenorGato
3 years ago

Tbf I’ve come to find that libertarians are right wing nuts calling themselves by another name. I’ve yet to meet a libertarian without access to a trust fund either

free-range turducken
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Lol, actually try this on: “libertarian” is a convenient way for certain right-wing nuts to hide their intents under another name. Look into the real origins of the “Tea Party” movement – limited-government types (aka libertarians) protested the immense amount of pork tucked into all the legislation put forth after the financial collapse of 2008. What happened next – various Republican types co-opted the label, and Democrats naturally responded by labeling the tea party crowd as anti-Obama, etc. So now the tea party movement is forever viewed as a front for pushing a Republican agenda, even though the original target of their wrath was the cozy political muck provided by both US political parties.

TLDR – labels suck, narratives suck harder.

Last edited 3 years ago by free-range turducken
David McCann
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

What did Any if them do thar compares to Bauer’s alleged crimes?

lavarnway
3 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

Ozuna’s wife assaulted him, not the other way around.

Last edited 3 years ago by lavarnway
SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

They’re STILL called the Braves! We genocided those people!

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Not even a little surprised at the reaction lol…Oh ‘Merica

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

The Braves kept Ozuna because the criminal case against him fell apart, and he remains a positive influence in the clubhouse. Yes, he’s owed a lot of money, but if he wasn’t liked by his teammates, he’d be gone.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

One more thing: I’m not saying that sexual assault is/isn’t a partisan issue, because it very well could be at this point. But if if sexual assault is a partisan issue, we’re in a whole lot trouble.

miltonfriedman
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

My gathering from looking at polls on bauer is that 55-60% overall want him to return to the league. If you broke it down to libs/conservatives, I would bet anything, at least 70% of conservatives vs like 30% of libs want him to return.

paulkrugman
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Actually 100% of conservatives hate women. “Libs”, as you call us, respect women 100%, even when they vote against pro-human policies like socialism.

miltonfriedman
3 years ago
Reply to  paulkrugman

Didn’t know you were a satire account

JT LancerMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  paulkrugman

Pro-human policies like socialism? Yikes. Millions of Cubans escaping the communist island on rafts made of trash would disagree.

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  JT Lancer

Communism and Socialism aren’t the same thing. Communism is a method of government and politics. Socialism is an economic system. Like all systems, socialism has flaws. But Communism is like taking a match to the whole house. It’s an inherently f*cked system, because it makes economic holdings “equal” while also putting all control of that GDP in the hands of maybe a hundred people. You can’t use wholesale socialism, I don’t think, but for certain things (medical care), it’s not a terrible idea.

Last edited 3 years ago by EonADS
free-range turducken
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Good explanation of where to “draw the line”. Much like calling a free-market proponent an anarchist.

David McCann
3 years ago
Reply to  JT Lancer

There has never been a truly socialist society and there has never been a truly christian one. Could be they are one and the same..

I imagine heaven as an egalitarian place. Black, brown, caucasian, rich, poor, believer, non believer, socialist or capitalist won’t matter.

Everyone with equal standing both socialist and christian.

free-range turducken
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think the only shred of possible empathy for Bauer comes from those who believe the “plausible deniability” card that he played, claiming that any and all activity was consensual and hence legally protected. Which, besides probably being false, at the very least should show him to be a complete sociopath to have engaged in that level of physical abuse

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago

This. The BDSM community uses the term “safe, sane, consensual” for a reason. Consent by itself is wonderful, but it’s not the only thing you can judge something by. Honestly, the way it’s treated with murder and assisted suicide is the way it should be treated with that level of sexual violence, as well. Doesn’t matter if your partner consented to it, there’s such a thing as too far.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Hey, no need for reasonable, sensible takes on this issue! Let’s get back to some faux economists duking it out! I’m still waiting for Keynes to weigh in…

Dave Stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Genuine faux economist’s, or the fake one’s like on this web sight?

bg7316
3 years ago

I suspect Bauer wants to play. So I suspect someone will sign him. And I imagine the most substantial part of the negotiations will be what is required of Bauer to attempt to rehabilitate his image. If Bauer isn’t willing to make some concessions on this front he may not start the season on a team at all.

A mid-season signing is probably the scenario more teams would be comfortable with. Some team hit with the injury bug or battling it out for a playoff spot. I just see Bauer as a flyer that’s not worth the risk unless you’re at risk of not making the playoffs. If you sign him mid-season, Bauer has some successful showings and you make the playoffs it ultimately looks fine (okay?). If he doesn’t look good and you end up missing the playoffs, he was only on the team for a short stint and you can try to say that you were just doing everything you could do to help the team.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
3 years ago

The Kiermaier comp feels very spot-on. The combination of instincts and athleticism can be breathtaking to watch.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago

KK’s baby blues are worth like 0.5 WAR alone, though. Those are 80-grade eyes

formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Baby blues? Never!

ScoreboardMember since 2016
3 years ago

Great article, though I’m afraid the Yankees’ recent CF extension history will loom large here. The 7/$70 extension for hicks looked reasonable at the time but has become an albatross much sooner than expected. I doubt the yanks will willingly have multiple OFs earning $10+ M with wRCs <100.

MarkZMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Scoreboard

While it felt lengthy at the time, I don’t think an extra 10M a year is an albatross for any team nowadays.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkZ

Yeah and he’s still useful, although more as a 4th outfielder than a starter. If he wasn’t there, the Yankees would have to find someone like him. He wouldn’t get $3/30M on the open market, but I bet he’d get half that.

MarkZMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yep. Still put up a ~2 WAR pace last year. Hicks isn’t so old that he couldn’t bounce back a little offensively and even be traded for something at the deadline more pressing. Damn Yankees.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  Scoreboard

“albatross”

Really the only people who give a hoot are fans counting pennies. Spending on salaries is so under control in the sport even the owners, our owners, don’t care so much (outside of committing the crime of
being nein ineffizient)

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

(nein ineffizient lol wtf???)

SenorGato
3 years ago

Woops lol

Ineffizient!

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johndarc
3 years ago
Reply to  Scoreboard

10 million a year for (at the time) the best CF in the AL not named Michael Nelson Trout was not that bad of a deal. He’s just been bad and unhealthy since then, but it made sense at the time. $10 mil AAV is not an albatross, that’s a salary you can eat/cut.

EstebanMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  johndarc

i think it’s less the amount per year than the years remaining. you can cut $10m but cutting $10m over 3 years is less palatable. I agree that the extension was reasonable/ defensible at that time, with Hicks checkered history of health being a red flag that could have been viewed as a window into his future. Unfortunately, Bader also has a checkered health record, which might lead to similar issues that we saw with the Hicks extension.

johndarc
3 years ago
Reply to  Scoreboard

Also the point is that the market for FA CFs like Bader is very thin, so you either try to keep him now, or bid for him next year.

John WickMember since 2018
3 years ago

There were articles about this when he was released where front office folks and agents were asked this very question. The consensus opinion is that no one is going to sign Bauer, with an acknowledgement that it only takes one team.

Not sure there’s much to write about on the baseball side that is all that interesting either. Cross-reference playoff odds and teams with poor rotation depth — those are the teams where Bauer would make sense. The reason that’s not happening is because of non-baseball reasons, of course, so it seems like a particularly useless exercise.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  John Wick

I know I responded to a couple of things here but I’d much rather talk about Harrison Bader. Despite this not being nearly as bad as I would have expected, I reported the original post and put “Other” as in “This is way, way off topic.” I don’t actually think it’s that bad of a conversation but it being the first comment here and being so wildly off-topic is a mess.

free-range turducken
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

TBH, I think that we now see why Fangraphs wouldn’t touch a Trevor Bauer article with a ten-foot pole, and probably shouldn’t unless and until he signs with an MLB team.

Maybe the best thing right now is to quarantine this chunk of the comments section as the resting place for discussion of Bauer. Like you said, the conversation isn’t that bad at the moment, just very off-topic.

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
3 years ago

Why no ankle or Trevor Bauer? One does not have a world race. Where do you think he finished? Моя Припущенка. It’s not true, so hardcore doesn’t have a big respectable base. Probably long 5-10 teams in a rush

The GuruMember since 2026
3 years ago

Yankees really need BP. They have the worst BP of the contenders.

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

Bullpen? They arguably have the best bullpen in MLB. It’s at least top 3.

The GuruMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Not according to this site they don’t. Theyre projected to have the 14th best bp in mlb.

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

Yeah, I know. But I think they’re wrong. It’s the same bullpen as last year that was 5th in WAR and 3rd in ERA in MLB. And they lost two of their worst relievers in Chapman and Britton. They don’t have a tippy top guy, but imo they will easily be a top 5 bullpen again. I mean they just cut Lucas Leutge from the roster and he’s had something like a 2.7 ERA in 120 innings the last two years. They’ve got insane depth.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Some 2021 late rounder will start throwing 95 in AAA next season, with a new sweeping slider, and be a solid mid-reliever.

marcusthelionMember since 2020
3 years ago

I appreciate the ZIPS projections & the value of exceptional CF defense paired with a “league average” bat… all the arses dragging the likes of Milton Friedman into the conversation can go have rough sex with Trevor Boy if they’re not already performing anatomically impossible acts with themselves. Why don’t all you twits go hang out with the planet’s chief twit until we can send all of you to Mars & allow the rest of us to enjoy some baseball?
And if you don’t like that attitude, you can play for the other side and enjoy a little chin music I would honestly love to compose in your honor.
“Vora ramentum et obi mortem.”

Pat ListachioMember since 2020
3 years ago

Locking Harry Sunbather up to an extension would be advantageous

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago

Front page shows 85 comments, I count 38 – that was a lot of cleanup that needed to be done on a touchy (and irrelevant to the article at hand!) subject

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Lanidrac
3 years ago

Now if only WAR would match up with MLB teams and properly value defense as less important than offense, aside from catchers.

SenorGato
3 years ago

To actually comment on Bader…Seems like a good idea to ensure they don’t depend on Judge to be both the offense and defense. As a Cubs fan, CF defense played a huge part in why 2017 and beyond didn’t work out. Swap out Almora for Keirmaier or Bader and you don’t get nuts situations like Kris Bryant in the starting CF conversation

sterling62Member since 2020
3 years ago

Bader is under contract this year for $5.2 million and coming off a year with 292 AB and a 650 OPS. He has never had a season with 400 AB and is a below average career hitter. He is a great CF, but as a young player cannot stay healthy. He will turn 30 in 2024, and it seems logical to project more injuries and a decline in fielding ability as he ages. Very few players excel in CF well into their 30s. If I were the Yankees, I would be very hesitant to offer an extension this year unless it was a modest contract that provides Bader with insurance for the next 3-4 years. If Bader has a great year in 2022, the team could always offer an extension during the year, or even consider a qualifying offer if he plays like an all star. To consider extending him now for $80-$100 million for his age 30-34 seasons seems excessive to me.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  sterling62

I’m switching to this. There’s a trio of OF prospects moving fast and at least two can play CF, Florial’s supposed to be good out there…

Lanidrac
3 years ago
Reply to  sterling62

Except the truly elite CFs are the ones who usually do excel in CF into their 30s.

ncgostlMember since 2018
3 years ago

I think plantar fasciitis makes things complicated here. I’m unsure about the record for successful recoveries.

Lanidrac
3 years ago
Reply to  ncgostl

Then again, it’s not that crippling of a condition either. Pujols hit over 600 career HRs while playing through the issue for most of his career.