2024 Positional Power Rankings: Third Base

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Earlier today, Michael Baumann gave an accounting of the league’s shortstops. Now we turn our attention to the third basemen.

Welcome to the ultimate tweener position. Like shortstop, the hot corner was a glove-first position in the early days of baseball, but it has evolved to the point where it’s hard to be competitive if you don’t offer something with both the glove and the bat. This kind of hybridization has probably hurt third basemen in their quest for legendary status. Baseball’s classic ways of evaluating talent — Triple Crown stats and Gold Gloves/defensive reputation — tend to diminish well-rounded players without a single standout skill to point to, creating a very high bar for third basemen to get attention. Measures like WAR can remedy this problem by putting one estimate on a player’s total contribution, but even with an increased focus on WAR-type measures, eight of the top 20 third basemen by Jay Jaffe’s JAWS who are eligible for the Hall of Fame (and who are without PED whispers) aren’t enshrined in Cooperstown. Contrast that with first base, where only on player in the top 20 isn’t in the Hall (Keith Hernandez). Hitting a bit worse than first basemen and fielding a bit worse than shortstops aren’t great plaudits for your sizzle reel.

2015-2019 turned out to be a golden era for these two-way stalwarts, as third basemen combined for more WAR than any other position.

WAR by Position, 2015-19
Position WAR
3B 449.4
CF 425.0
SS 394.9
2B 355.8
RF 340.1
C 299.0
1B 276.8
LF 267.7
DH 43.4

Third base WAR peaked at 93.9 in 2016. Eight third basemen eclipsed the 4-WAR barrier that year and many of them were in their early-to-mid-20s (Nolan Arenado, Kris Bryant, Manny Machado, Anthony Rendon, and José Ramírez). Eight years later, Arenado, Machado, and Ramírez still loom large, but they’re now on the downslopes of their careers and third base has been short on phenoms to replace them. Only three denizens of the hot corner totaled at least four WAR in 2023 (Ramírez, Austin Riley, and Alex Bregman) and the positional total of 62.3 WAR was the lowest since 2011, not counting the COVID-shortened 2020 season. It appears we’re now in a transitional era for third base, as the 2010s stars approach the twilights of their careers. Looking at ZiPS, four of the top 10 third baseman in five-year projected WAR are 30 or older in 2024: Ramírez, Bregman, Machado, and Matt Chapman. Who joins Austin Riley and Rafael Devers in the elite class at the end of the decade is very uncertain right now, though that uncertainty makes this exercise extra fun.

2024 Positional Power Rankings – 3B
1. Guardians
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
José Ramírez 595 .280 .360 .498 .358 22.3 1.7 2.2 4.8
Gabriel Arias 49 .235 .299 .387 .299 -0.6 -0.1 -0.0 0.1
Tyler Freeman 35 .264 .334 .371 .313 -0.0 0.0 -0.1 0.1
Deyvison De Los Santos 14 .233 .270 .377 .279 -0.4 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Brayan Rocchio 7 .250 .315 .370 .302 -0.1 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Total 700 .274 .352 .480 .349 21.3 1.6 2.1 5.1

Is José Ramírez the most underrated superstar of this generation? Despite that being the refrain for much of his career, if I were issuing declarations as the Emperor of Baseball Opinions in some dystopia, I have a strong feeling he’d still be the player I’d pick. Ramírez’s relative lack of appreciation as one of the game’s ultra-elites might be partially due to playing in Cleveland rather than a larger market, but it may simply be the result of him being the Platonic ideal of a third baseman: He’s very good at literally anything, but there’s no one single tool you can point to that defines him as a player other than his elite well-roundedness. On some level, it’s just easier to explain Nolan Arenado’s glovework or Austin Riley’s homers to a non-aficionado.

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It does appear that Ramírez is a bit off his peak now, which isn’t unexpected for a player entering his age-31 season. But to use an impractical analogy, if your water slide starts at the top of Mt. Everest, it takes quite a while until you get back down to base camp for some hot chocolate. Ramírez is on top of the heap now and ought to stay there for a few more years.

2. Astros
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Alex Bregman 672 .267 .368 .455 .357 23.7 -2.3 -0.1 4.6
Grae Kessinger 14 .211 .291 .325 .275 -0.5 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Mauricio Dubón 7 .263 .305 .390 .302 -0.1 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
David Hensley 7 .222 .312 .339 .291 -0.1 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Total 700 .265 .365 .450 .354 23.0 -2.4 -0.2 4.7

While it’s becoming increasingly certain that Alex Bregman’s peak was in 2018 and 2019 and won’t be replicated again, he remains one of the elite third basemen in baseball. Bregman’s 2022 may not have been up to the standard of his pre-COVID years, but it quelled any worries that 2021’s nagging leg issues would linger. Last season didn’t quite match 2022 in terms of production, but Bregman played 161 games, a career high, and was third or fourth in the league in WAR among third basemen (depending on how you classify Gunnar Henderson).

The only real question is how long Bregman will be in Houston. The current era Astros have moved on from their stars quite frequently, but not reflexively; Bregman, like Jose Altuve, will be a lot harder to replace than George Springer or Carlos Correa, simply because there’s not a Jeremy Peña in the queue. And you can see that when you go down the depth chart. Grae Kessinger is unlikely to hit enough to be anything more than a team’s fifth or sixth infielder, and Mauricio Dubón is a borderline starter and just four months younger than Bregman. Someone like Brice Matthews or Camilo Diaz might be viable options at third one day, but that day is a lot farther away than the end of 2024.

3. Braves
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Austin Riley 672 .278 .349 .517 .367 24.7 -1.4 -4.6 4.4
Luis Guillorme 21 .256 .340 .342 .304 -0.3 -0.1 -0.1 0.0
David Fletcher 7 .273 .314 .353 .293 -0.2 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .278 .348 .511 .364 24.2 -1.4 -4.6 4.4

If you’re looking for a good example of why teams should stick by their talent and not make quick, 180-degree turns if a player initially struggles in the majors, look no further than Austin Riley. His combined stats for 2019 and 2020 come out basically to one full season and resulted in a .232/.288/.448 line and 0.1 WAR over 503 plate appearances. What discussion there was at the time that wasn’t centered around his mediocre offensive performance focused on the idea that he should be moved away from third base, this time for good.

Believing in Riley turned out to be the right call. The Braves made him their Opening Day starter at third base in 2021 and he didn’t get an off day until June, by which point he had an OPS over .900 and had successfully quieted the skeptics. All he’s done since then is rake, and in August of 2022, he signed a 10-year extension worth over $200 million.

Riley didn’t turn into the second coming of Brooks Robinson defensively, but he’s been close enough to average to solidify his status at third base. If José Ramírez shows additional signs of aging, Riley’s got a good shot to be the top ranked third baseman in 2025.

There’s not going to be much playing time for Luis Guillorme or David Fletcher, nor should there be; I imagine if the Braves had questions about Riley’s health, they’d have a more potent third base bat available on the bench rather than focusing on players who can cover the up-the-middle positions. Call me crazy, but if Riley were to experience a significant injury and the Braves didn’t address his loss with a trade, I think they might actually turn to someone with more upside, like Luke Waddell.

4. Red Sox
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Rafael Devers 616 .283 .356 .525 .370 23.2 -0.9 -4.3 4.1
Bobby Dalbec 28 .222 .299 .421 .312 -0.3 -0.0 -0.2 0.1
Pablo Reyes 21 .260 .324 .394 .313 -0.2 -0.0 -0.1 0.0
Romy Gonzalez 21 .238 .288 .403 .297 -0.5 0.1 0.1 0.0
Enmanuel Valdez 7 .249 .321 .430 .324 -0.0 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Vaughn Grissom 7 .285 .353 .422 .338 0.1 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Total 700 .278 .350 .511 .363 22.3 -0.9 -4.6 4.3

The Boston Red Sox have shown a willingness to let their best players walk if the price doesn’t suit them, but the one player they did manage to ink to a long-term deal was Rafael Devers, who signed a 10-year, $313 million extension to stay in town well into the 2030s. The choice made a lot of sense; since the start of his breakout 2019, Devers ranks third in baseball in WAR among third basemen. And with the exception of Austin Riley, who won’t be hitting the free agent market any time soon either, he’s younger than the rest of the top dozen or so players on this list.

Devers is one of baseball’s hardest hitters, enabling him to survive Fenway’s oddly shaped outfield. Unless they have an uncanny knack for pulling pitches almost to Pesky’s pole, mortal left-handed power hitters frequently go to Boston to die. But Devers doesn’t need the cheapies; he only has a single home run shorter than 360 feet to right field in Fenway during his career. He’ll lose some homers due to his home park, of course, but so did Ted Williams and David Ortiz, and like them, Devers has power to spare. He’s already fifth in Red Sox history in homers by a lefty, and he’s only a couple of years away from passing Mo Vaughn.

The Red Sox would need a lot of things to go their way to do more than shuffle on the edges of the Wild Card race, and a healthy Devers is probably a must. If something happens to him and they have to play Bobby Dalbec, Pablo Reyes or Romy Gonzalez at third, they’re probably winning 76 games anyway.

5. Twins
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Royce Lewis 581 .268 .333 .478 .347 16.1 -0.3 1.9 3.9
Kyle Farmer 56 .246 .304 .378 .299 -0.7 -0.2 0.3 0.2
Willi Castro 35 .248 .308 .389 .303 -0.3 0.1 0.0 0.1
Brooks Lee 21 .245 .304 .379 .298 -0.3 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Yunior Severino 7 .224 .290 .399 .299 -0.1 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .264 .328 .461 .339 14.7 -0.4 2.2 4.3

After waiting a decade, the Twins finally got the Miguel Sanó they were looking for — he just happened to be in better shape and answer to a different name. Due to the pandemic and consecutive ACL tears, Royce Lewis basically lost three years of development time. But unlike most players in his situation, Lewis was still really, really good at baseball when he came back from his long hiatus, putting up a 155 wRC+ in the majors after his return in late May. He had never hit more than 14 homers in a professional season before, but it took him just 58 games to hit 15 in the majors in 2023, and that doesn’t even count his Triple-A homers.

Unfortunately, 2023 still featured its share of injuries. Lewis missed a month with an oblique strain before a late-season hamstring tweak limited him to a DH role in the playoffs. Until he stays healthy for all or most of a season, there will always be questions about his durability. It’s a tricky thing for the Twins to manage. They can’t just stuff him at DH and see what happens, as they have another phenomenally talented player who can’t stay healthy in Byron Buxton. Between Buxton, Alex Kirilloff and Carlos Santana, plus off days for other players with minor injuries, it’ll be hard to keep Lewis out of the field too often.

So, it’s Lewis at third and hope for the best. Kyle Farmer is probably the best backup here, but he’s strictly a Plan B, not a viable option as a starter if Lewis can’t stay healthy playing a position.

6. Padres
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Manny Machado 546 .269 .337 .476 .346 14.9 -1.0 2.0 3.6
Eguy Rosario 70 .238 .303 .385 .299 -0.8 -0.2 0.3 0.2
Tyler Wade 35 .225 .299 .310 .273 -1.1 0.1 -0.2 0.0
Graham Pauley 28 .248 .311 .404 .311 -0.0 -0.0 -0.1 0.1
Matthew Batten 14 .220 .299 .313 .275 -0.4 0.0 0.1 0.0
Ha-Seong Kim 7 .247 .329 .387 .315 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .262 .330 .452 .334 12.5 -1.1 2.1 4.0

The status of this position for San Diego all comes down to just how long it takes Manny Machado to get back to third base full-time. Elbow pain last summer left Machado relegated to DH duty during the Padres’ stretch run, and after an October elbow surgery, he isn’t expected to start the season at third. But he should get there eventually, and he’s still one of the top five or so third basemen in baseball. While his bat slumped a bit from 2022 to 2023, the projection systems all predict a modest bounce-back campaign, and he’s successfully quieted any concerns about a declining glove with a second consecutive season that saw him be just fine in field, at least before the injury. I’m not at all confident about how Machado will perform later in the decade, and I suspect the Padres might come to regret the 11-year extension he signed last February, much like the Yankees did with A-Rod, but that’s a problem for Future A.J. Preller to worry about.

If Machado doesn’t make a quick return to the field, most of the alternatives involve the Friars getting near replacement-level production. Jake Cronenworth was disappointing at first base, but the team hasn’t really pursued any better options there, so it seems unlikely that he, Ha-Seong Kim, or Xander Bogaerts would shift to cover the left three-quarters of the infield in the event Machado suffers a setback. That means Eguy Rosario would likely get the majority of playing time by virtue of being the best defensive option outside of Machado. I can envision a scenario in which Graham Pauley gets some time at third, but the Padres aren’t likely to turn to him there unless he repeats his 2023 breakout in the high minors and Machado is still DHing come summer.

7. Rays
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Isaac Paredes 462 .244 .340 .462 .346 14.2 -1.3 -0.2 3.0
Junior Caminero 168 .257 .308 .431 .317 1.1 -0.4 -0.4 0.7
Taylor Walls 42 .209 .306 .341 .289 -0.7 0.1 0.0 0.1
Curtis Mead 21 .250 .321 .400 .314 0.1 -0.0 0.0 0.1
Austin Shenton 7 .226 .316 .391 .309 0.0 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Total 700 .245 .330 .445 .335 14.7 -1.6 -0.6 3.9

The Tigers never seemed fully committed to making Isaac Paredes a part of the team’s future, a fact the Rays were all too happy to take advantage of, picking up Paredes from Detroit in return for the oft-injured Austin Meadows in April 2022. Tampa Bay is likely quite happy with how that trade worked out.

In 2022, Paredes impressed as a power-hitting role player, bopping 20 homers while filling in at first, second, and third. He was even better last year, passing the 30-homer line and putting up 4.3 WAR. True to the Rays’ tendency to color outside the lines, they didn’t just stick Paredes at third and leave him there, frequently using him to spell Brandon Lowe at second against lefties. A similar role seems in store for 2024.

Third base is Paredes’ best position, but the Rays have a lot of viable options at the hot corner, enabling them to take advantage of his flexibility. The organization has aggressively promoted Junior Caminero, who put up a .976 OPS at two levels in the minors in 2023 despite mostly still being a teenager. Curtis Mead is the team’s top prospect, even after a season that was mostly ruined by injury. However the cards are shuffled in 2024, the Rays are likely to be solidly above average at third, if just below the elites.

8. Cardinals
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Nolan Arenado 658 .266 .325 .460 .334 9.5 -1.2 3.9 3.7
Brandon Crawford 14 .238 .310 .384 .302 -0.2 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Nolan Gorman 14 .243 .321 .468 .338 0.2 -0.0 -0.1 0.1
Brendan Donovan 7 .274 .365 .397 .337 0.1 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Thomas Saggese 7 .247 .299 .391 .299 -0.1 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .265 .325 .457 .334 9.6 -1.3 3.8 3.8

While most players would be pretty happy to have had Nolan Arenado’s 2023 season (though perhaps not in the sense of playing for the 2023 Cardinals), it was arguably his worst year since his 2013 debut with the Rockies. Arenado’s .266/.315/.459 line didn’t look much like his MVP-caliber 2022 season, and there’s not even a BABIP goblin to point fingers at. Even more concerning is that his glove showed signs of decline as well, with OAA, DRS, and UZR all agreeing that this was his weakest defensive season yet. One mitigating factor in there is that he had some back issues, but that might not necessarily be good news; back issues have stymied a lot of players as they age. I’m hopeful, but time has a perfect record of grinding its foes into dust, and it’s sad to think that Arenado’s golden era is over.

ZiPS does project Arenado to finish somewhere around 10th all-time in JAWS, so hopefully we’ll get to see him give a speech in upstate New York sometime in the mid-2030s.

It’s unclear who will get the playing time at third should Arenado’s back problems flare up again this year. José Fermín and now ex-Card Juniel Querecuto filled in at the end of 2023, but at the time, both Brendan Donovan and Nolan Gorman were done for the season. Brandon Crawford’s availability at third may come down to how well Masyn Winn’s doing as the starting shortstop. Wherever they go, the Cards have real options at third, but they’d rather have Arenado, of course.

9. Orioles
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Jordan Westburg 245 .253 .321 .423 .322 2.0 -0.1 1.2 1.2
Gunnar Henderson 224 .261 .342 .475 .350 7.0 0.1 1.3 1.7
Ramón Urías 112 .252 .320 .390 .311 -0.2 -0.2 0.3 0.4
Coby Mayo 105 .235 .320 .408 .317 0.4 -0.2 0.1 0.4
Jorge Mateo 7 .235 .282 .379 .286 -0.2 0.0 0.0 0.0
Nick Maton 7 .223 .317 .364 .302 -0.1 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Total 700 .252 .327 .431 .328 9.0 -0.4 2.9 3.8

For a team in the top 10, there’s sure a lot of uncertainty about who will actually get the playing time for the Orioles at third base. Right now, it looks like the configuration will be Jackson Holliday at second, Gunnar Henderson at shortstop, and Jordan Westburg at third, but any member of that trio could show up at any of these positions at any given point.

I feel for Westburg — he likely would have gotten a lot more notice if he played for a team with a worse farm system. Normally, a young former first-round draft pick who plays shortstop and hit .278/.371/.506 in the minors (and even better at Triple-A!) would have the local hype machine cranking on all gears. But Westburg has had the misfortune of being in the shadow of two even better prospects in Henderson and Holliday, and Large Adult Infielder Coby Mayo is coming up quickly behind him. But we’ve got him projected as a solidly above-average third baseman overall, with at least a few more chances to blossom into something better than that.

Whether Mayo is an eventual threat to Westburg’s playing time will depend on just how good his glove is. He hasn’t gotten rave reviews with the leather, but ZiPS, which uses a probability-based defensive metric based on coordinate data for minor leaguers, thinks he’s much better than his reputation. For what it’s worth, this same methodology was going nuts for Ke’Bryan Hayes practically the second he became a professional.

Ramon Urías, who came crashing down to terra firma after a hot April, is also in the mix. But even as the likely backup, there’s probably not a big ceiling on his playing time, as the O’s would more likely turn to Mayo to shuffle someone in from elsewhere if Westburg missed serious time.

10. Giants
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Matt Chapman 623 .235 .327 .426 .327 6.3 -0.9 4.5 3.3
Wilmer Flores 42 .262 .335 .444 .336 0.7 -0.2 0.1 0.2
Casey Schmitt 21 .240 .288 .367 .286 -0.5 -0.0 -0.1 0.0
Tyler Fitzgerald 14 .220 .279 .371 .282 -0.4 0.0 -0.1 0.0
Total 700 .236 .326 .424 .326 6.2 -1.1 4.5 3.6

Matt Chapman is one of the trickier players in baseball to project, to the point that almost any result from him this year wouldn’t surprise me. On the one hand, Chapman’s exit velocity numbers were quite excellent in 2023, with a hard-hit rate of 56.4%, the second-best rate in baseball behind only Aaron Judge. But he frequently hit the ball really hard to the deepest part of the park, a tendency that may not play well in Oracle Park, which remains a brutal place for power hitters even after the renovations a few years ago that brought the walls in several feet.

Despite my usual admonition to be careful about slicing and dicing stats into small chunks, it’s hard to completely ignore the fact that Chapman’s overall numbers after April were absolutely brutal, with a triple slash of .205/.298/.361 while playing half his games in what ought to have been a friendly home park. Add in the fact that he’s now on the wrong side of 30, and it’s understandable why he didn’t get a real jackpot contract this winter.

Wilmer Flores looks like the most likely Plan B if age should rear its cruel, inevitable head in 2024. While there will be a lot of Flores at first base, LaMonte Wade Jr. will get most of the playing time there. Flores isn’t a great defender at third, but his presence was enough of a backup option that the Giants felt comfortable cutting J.D. Davis for his post-arbitration termination pay despite it not being a great look to invoke that CBA clause this late in the winter for reasons that had nothing to do with the player.

11. Pirates
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Ke’Bryan Hayes 609 .260 .318 .414 .317 -3.0 -0.4 7.7 2.7
Jared Triolo 77 .247 .328 .353 .303 -1.3 -0.1 0.3 0.2
Ji Hwan Bae 14 .248 .318 .353 .297 -0.3 0.0 -0.1 0.0
Total 700 .259 .319 .406 .315 -4.6 -0.4 7.9 2.9

The fact that Ke’Bryan Hayes has only won a single Gold Glove award so far seems like a crime (though not a literal one — please don’t call the local police on Nolan Arenado). He was a fabulous defender in the minors and is now a fabulous defender in the majors, and he ought to get a lot of glove-related hardware over the next decade or so.

While his glovework will keep him from falling too far down the rankings even in a down season, questions about his bat prevent Hayes from ranking with the truly elite third basemen. He destroyed pitchers in his initial debut in 2020, but coming off a .262/.334/.411 season in 2019, it was never really expected he’d be an elite offensive force in the majors. And he hasn’t been. His 91 wRC+ the last three seasons plays in the big leagues because of his glove, but it’s an unimpressive part of his résumé, and he’s rapidly running out of time to take that big step forward as he enters his age-27 season.

Jared Triolo filled in for Hayes when the latter was out with a back injury and is a more-than-plausible second option at third. He doesn’t have much in the way of power and better contact skills would be nice, but he’s a solid defensive player who will draw the occasional walk. None of the projection systems think he’ll come close to the 118 wRC+ he posted in his debut season, but if the Pirates actually thought that realistic, they’d have already written him in as the starting second baseman.

12. Yankees
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
DJ LeMahieu 413 .257 .338 .382 .317 1.5 -1.5 3.3 1.9
Oswald Peraza 196 .245 .309 .394 .307 -1.0 -0.0 0.8 0.7
Oswaldo Cabrera 63 .234 .296 .389 .297 -0.8 -0.0 0.3 0.2
Jorbit Vivas 28 .240 .322 .351 .300 -0.3 -0.0 0.1 0.1
Total 700 .250 .325 .385 .312 -0.6 -1.6 4.5 2.9

How much does DJ LeMahieu have left in him? With Anthony Volpe and Gleyber Torres now firmly established at shortstop and second base, respectively, the versatile LeMahieu will likely get the bulk of the playing time at third so long as he performs. Contrary to popular opinion, he wasn’t one of the primary reasons the Yankees fell short of expectations in 2024. His 1.1 WAR was his lowest number in a decade, but a lot of that was due to being used at first base, a position he’s unsuited for offensively at this point in his career. As a third baseman, LeMahieu is somewhere around league-average both offensively and defensively, so it’s not surprising to see the Yankees’ place in the middle of the pack here.

The big risk from LeMahieu is his age, as he turns 36 around the All-Star break this year, but the Yankees are quite well equipped to handle a nasty surprise. Oswald Peraza is likely the eventual heir to either LeMahieu or Torres, and will probably serve as the primary infield backup so long as his recovery from a shoulder injury goes smoothly. Oswaldo Cabrera struggled in his sophomore season with the Yankees, but his power upside may make him viable at third, though he’s more likely to get playing time in the outfield.

13. Angels
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Anthony Rendon 497 .260 .357 .418 .339 8.5 -1.2 -3.8 2.2
Luis Rengifo 119 .259 .320 .421 .321 0.2 -0.1 -0.4 0.4
Brandon Drury 42 .247 .298 .441 .316 -0.1 -0.1 -0.2 0.1
Ehire Adrianza 14 .232 .305 .337 .285 -0.4 -0.0 -0.2 -0.0
Michael Stefanic 14 .272 .355 .361 .320 0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Hunter Dozier 14 .219 .288 .380 .291 -0.3 -0.0 -0.3 -0.0
Total 700 .258 .344 .417 .332 7.9 -1.6 -4.9 2.8

The Angels, their fans, and Anthony Rendon aren’t exactly in the midst of a torrid love affair, but he represents the best chance the club has for third base to be a plus position in 2024. If he actually gets the number of plate appearances above, a lot of the controversy surrounding him will probably fade away, especially if his power comes back. The projections aren’t banking on him returning to the days when he hit 25-30 dingers a season, but he remains one of the most disciplined hitters around, and a healthy year could return his batting average to sunnier climes.

ZiPS only projects Rendon to play in 55 games, and I have a hard time disagreeing with the computer, given that he’ll be 34 and has played 148 games in total over the last three seasons. Third base is a highly competitive position, and in a scenario with only 200 PA from Rendon, the Angels would plummet in these rankings. If you distribute that playing time to the rest of the depth chart in proportion to their current projected playing time, the total WAR would drop to 2.1, which is good (or bad) for 25th out of 30 teams.

Luis Rengifo has shown more power in the majors than expected, but he’s not defensively impressive anywhere, and that includes third base. He’s a valuable utility player, but if he were the Angels’ full-time third baseman, he would not push them toward that elusive playoff appearance.

14. Rangers
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Josh Jung 609 .254 .306 .448 .323 1.9 -2.3 2.5 2.5
Ezequiel Duran 56 .253 .301 .422 .311 -0.4 -0.2 -0.1 0.1
Josh Smith 21 .238 .336 .378 .317 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.1
Justin Foscue 14 .239 .324 .399 .317 -0.0 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Total 700 .253 .307 .443 .322 1.4 -2.5 2.4 2.7

Josh Jung’s brief 2022 return to the majors from a torn labrum had decidedly mixed results, but a much better full season in 2023 eliminated most of those misgivings, at least until a broken thumb that ruined the second half of his season until his solid playoff run. For most of the first half of the season, Jung looked like the favorite to win the AL Rookie of the Year award, as he hit .280/.331/.504 and made the All-Star team.

Given his short track record and long injury history, it’s perhaps not surprising to see a bit of a downswing in his projections, but even with some algorithmic pessimism, it’s still enough for the Rangers to be solidly average in the projections. Of the players ranked 10th or worse, I think Jung is the one with the best chance to “go Austin Riley” and finish in the top five, especially as his defense showed few cobwebs from the missed time. The biggest question is whether he can improve his plate discipline, at least incrementally, as he’s a rather free swinger with a below-average contact rate.

Should Jung get bitten by the injury bug again, the Rangers are surprisingly well-equipped to handle a loss. Ezequiel Duran isn’t much with the glove but he has some good pop to go with his versatility. The projection systems have both Josh Smith and Justin Foscue with a wRC+ around 100, which is well above what one usually sees for the backup talent at third.

15. Dodgers
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Max Muncy 511 .220 .342 .443 .339 9.5 -0.9 -6.2 2.2
Chris Taylor 91 .228 .316 .390 .308 -0.7 0.1 0.1 0.3
Enrique Hernández 70 .235 .300 .384 .298 -1.1 -0.1 -0.3 0.1
Miguel Rojas 14 .252 .304 .362 .292 -0.3 -0.0 0.1 0.0
Miguel Vargas 14 .248 .331 .412 .324 0.1 -0.0 -0.1 0.1
Total 700 .224 .333 .427 .330 7.6 -1.0 -6.4 2.6

Max Muncy is a known commodity at this point. He does two things very well: drawing walks and hitting balls far. If you can only do two things, those are pretty good things to pick! Muncy’s return to 36 homers in 2023 was a bit of good news after his homer tally dropped to 21 in 2022, and his 85 walks were enough to get his OBP into an acceptable range despite him barely winning his fight with the Mendoza Line. While he didn’t match Kyle Schwarber, a similar type of hitter, in round-trippers, Muncy’s glove at his position is (relatively) better at merely below average, rather than resembling a Jonathan Swift satire.

Muncy turns 34 before the season ends, so the organization has some long-term questions to answer at third. The Dodgers appear to have soured on the possibility of Miguel Vargas as a future answer, but at least in the short-term, Chris Taylor and Enrique Hernández are around to fill in for Muncy when needed. Muncy may be a limited player on the backside of his career, but Los Angeles should be somewhere around average here in 2024. Unless that is, they somehow figure out how to have Mookie Betts play every infield position simultaneously.

16. Reds
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Jeimer Candelario 350 .255 .332 .455 .338 3.0 -0.6 -1.0 1.5
Noelvi Marte 224 .267 .331 .416 .324 -0.7 -0.2 -1.1 0.6
Spencer Steer 84 .258 .340 .443 .340 0.8 -0.1 0.1 0.4
Elly De La Cruz 35 .244 .308 .439 .319 -0.3 0.1 -0.1 0.1
Jonathan India 7 .254 .348 .419 .336 0.0 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Total 700 .259 .331 .440 .333 2.9 -0.7 -2.2 2.6

I can’t remember another instance where the top four players at a position on our depth charts all had starting spots in the lineup, though sadly, there’s also no real way to check. Noelvi Marte was slated with to get the majority of the playing time at third, with Spencer Steer becoming the thirftfielder, Jeimer Candelario playing thirdst base and thresignated hitter, and Elly De La Cruz the starting thirdtstop, but then a PED suspension made him unavailable for 80 games.

Candelario had a marvelous 2023 season and will now get the majority of the playing time at his natural position. ZiPS is more optimistic about him than Steamer or THE BAT, but all the projection systems see some regression toward the mean. And I think it’s understandable, given that Candelario’s had a rather up-and-down career; 2021 and 2023 are a big positive mark on his record, but he also has two other full seasons where he was replacement level.

The silver lining on the Marte suspension is that I’ve never found any evidence that projections shoot high on players coming off PED suspensions (make of that what you will). He probably has as much upside as he looked to have at the end of 2023. The big question for him now that he’s off shortstop is when some of his potential power will become actual power.

17. Cubs
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Patrick Wisdom 245 .210 .296 .445 .317 -0.4 -0.4 -1.5 0.7
Nick Madrigal 196 .282 .334 .376 .313 -1.0 -0.3 2.0 0.8
Christopher Morel 189 .243 .311 .466 .332 2.0 -0.0 -0.7 0.8
Michael Busch 49 .243 .325 .428 .327 0.3 -0.1 -0.0 0.2
Miles Mastrobuoni 21 .257 .334 .364 .310 -0.2 0.0 -0.0 0.1
Total 700 .243 .314 .427 .320 0.8 -0.7 -0.2 2.6

Chicago’s depth chart at third base is complex. Four players on the roster could grab the lion’s share of the playing time without anyone batting an eye at the result.

Patrick Wisdom grabbed the majority of the reps at third in 2022, but he’s a well below-average defensive player. Already on the wrong side of 30, he may have the shortest future remaining of any of the team’s plausible options and is currently managing a few injuries.

Nick Madrigal doesn’t profile as the typical third baseman, having less power than a 1989 Yugo. But he’s a good example of counter-programming, with by far the best contact skills of the quartet, and he’s the only one who you actually want to see playing defense at third. Madrigal may not hit 20 homers over the rest of the decade, but he brings enough to the table overall that he’ll get a lot of playing time no matter how the Cubs sort out Wisdom, Christopher Morel, and Michael Busch.

Morel is perhaps the most interesting option, with some overlap with Wisdom’s skill set. Only needing 107 games to hit 26 homers in 2023, Morel may have the most power upside of anyone on the team. Don’t be fooled by his listed weight of 145 pounds; I’d be surprised if he were under 180 pounds these days. Like Wisdom, Morel’s glove at third is a weak point, and the team just hasn’t been confident enough about him there to commit to him as the starter.

Questions about position also simmer around Busch, who was picked up from the Dodgers in a January trade. Busch has the advantage of being the only left-handed hitter of the four, but it looks like he’ll play more DH and first base than third.

18. Marlins
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Jake Burger 511 .251 .309 .471 .332 4.6 -1.0 -2.2 2.1
Jon Berti 168 .255 .327 .368 .306 -2.1 0.6 -0.3 0.4
Vidal Bruján 14 .244 .311 .368 .299 -0.3 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Jonah Bride 7 .239 .339 .365 .314 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .252 .313 .444 .325 2.2 -0.4 -2.5 2.6

The Marlins managed to just squeeze into the playoffs in 2023 and Jake Burger is one of the players most responsible for getting them over the top. After hitting for power and little else for the White Sox, the Marlins picked him up on the cheap and he responded by hitting .303/.355/.505 the rest of the way.

But can he do that again? The Magic 8-Ball is a bit cloudy on this one, as his .303 average with the Marlins was less the result of some new found approach at the plate and more a product of a .354 BABIP that will be hard for him to replicate in 2024. Burger should still hit the homers, but he’s a free-swinger who won’t draw a lot of walks, and his glove is middling at best.

There’s not a lot of organizational pressure on Burger, either. Jon Berti is fast — I loved using him in MLB the Show 23 for this reason — but the Marlins aren’t going to be quick to hand Burger’s job over to a 34-year-old utility guy. They have far bigger problems in the lineup to worry about.

19. White Sox
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Yoán Moncada 602 .251 .325 .409 .319 1.0 -0.9 1.0 2.4
Nicky Lopez 49 .244 .316 .316 .284 -1.3 0.0 0.4 0.1
Danny Mendick 28 .245 .310 .359 .296 -0.5 -0.0 0.2 0.1
Mike Moustakas 21 .227 .288 .381 .290 -0.5 -0.1 -0.1 0.0
Total 700 .250 .322 .399 .315 -1.3 -1.0 1.4 2.5

Watching the White Sox play baseball in 2024 might feel a lot like being a character in a baseball-themed adaptation of Cormac McCarthy’s The Road, but Yoán Moncada represents one of the few sources of hope on the roster. Moncada had a huge 2019 breakout and then a nice second helping of success in 2021, but he has been bedeviled by injuries since then and has struggled to hit even when healthy. But he’s still in his 20s, so the idea that his performance could come back around if he could just stay healthy is more than mere wishcasting.

That being said, Moncada comes with a lot of risks that the projection systems are taking into account, even as they forecast he’ll put up a wRC+ around 100, better than either of the last two seasons. Think of it this way: If Moncada’s bounce back were a high-probability event, the team probably would have traded him this winter rather than pay him $24.8 million.

If Moncada doesn’t work out, then, well, third base won’t work out. Nicky Lopez is only a major leaguer because of his ability to play shortstop well, and Danny Mendick was last seen with a .509 OPS for the Mets. As for Mike Moustakas, let’s just say it’s not an auspicious sign when you see a player on the depth chart and experience mild surprise that he didn’t retire over the winter.

20. Athletics
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
J.D. Davis 511 .244 .330 .405 .322 5.3 -1.6 -1.5 2.1
Abraham Toro 91 .243 .315 .388 .308 -0.1 -0.2 -0.2 0.3
Aledmys Díaz 56 .240 .292 .369 .287 -1.0 -0.2 -0.6 0.0
Jordan Diaz 21 .248 .290 .391 .294 -0.3 -0.0 -0.3 0.0
Darell Hernaiz 14 .247 .301 .356 .289 -0.2 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Brett Harris 7 .230 .304 .348 .289 -0.1 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .244 .323 .398 .315 3.5 -2.1 -2.5 2.5

J.D. Davis was a surprise late entrant into free agency this spring thanks to the Giants cutting him after signing Matt Chapman. Davis quickly signed a 1-year, $2.5 million contract with the Oakland A’s and has a clear path to getting the vast majority of the playing time at third.

Davis is a tricky player to use for a few reasons. First, he doesn’t have much in the way of platoon splits, limiting his utility in a situational role. Second, there’s a good bit of uncertainty surrounding how acceptable his defense is. Davis had the best OAA of his career in 2023 at +4 runs, the first positive number in his big league tenure, but his DRS was typically bleak. This would be less of a big deal if he were a powerhouse offensive player, but he’s a career .738 OPS hitter who is likely entering his decline phase.

Davis has moderate power that was hindered by Oracle Park, but the Whatever-It’s-Called-This-Year Coliseum won’t do him any favors either. He’s in Oakland to be a stopgap third base option who will be more acceptable than a replacement-level player, and he’ll fill that role well in 2024. So well, in fact, that I would be surprised if Davis is still wearing green and gold on August 1.

21. Brewers
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Sal Frelick 273 .269 .338 .390 .319 -0.4 -0.1 1.5 1.1
Andruw Monasterio 154 .247 .329 .356 .305 -2.0 -0.3 0.6 0.4
Joey Ortiz 147 .254 .308 .393 .305 -2.0 -0.1 1.2 0.5
Tyler Black 63 .239 .341 .389 .323 0.1 0.0 -0.1 0.2
Owen Miller 28 .248 .302 .374 .294 -0.6 -0.0 -0.1 0.0
Oliver Dunn 21 .210 .307 .359 .295 -0.5 -0.0 0.1 0.0
Vinny Capra 7 .245 .327 .360 .305 -0.1 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Christian Arroyo 7 .242 .288 .382 .289 -0.2 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .256 .327 .381 .311 -5.6 -0.6 3.3 2.3

If you haven’t paid much attention to the Brewers this spring, you might do a double-take upon seeing Sal Frelick’s name on this depth chart and assume that a FanGraphs employee is guilty of a typographical error somewhere. But it’s accurate; with an outfield of Christian Yelich, Jackson Chourio, and Garrett Mitchell, the Brewers got creative in trying to find playing time for Frelick. The erstwhile outfielder has played third base before, though not since summer ball back in college.

From a developmental standpoint, this is a key year for Frelick. A first-round draft pick in 2021, he impressed with solid contact skills in his first two professional seasons but lost a lot of momentum in 2023 after a slow start for Nashville and then a thumb injury that cost him nearly two months of the season. Jackson Chourio now has first dibs on center field, so Frelick, if he remains a Brewer, will either need to provide enough offense to play in a corner, find additional usefulness at third (and second), or end up being a fourth outfielder.

He may not have much time to impress the Brewers, either. With Willy Adames still on the roster, third base is the natural place to play Joey Ortiz (he’ll also see time at second), recently acquired in the Corbin Burnes trade. Tyler Black is also projected to be the best third base option offensively, and the Brewers will justifiably try to find playing time for him if he mashes at Nashville again.

Andruw Monasterio is in the mix as well, but his place in the depth charts is mostly due to the Brewers likely playing Ortiz and Black in the minors if they’re not starting for the parent club. While he was a solid utility player in 2023, he’s up against three solid prospects for playing time, and success for him will probably be defined by holding off Owen Miller and Christian Arroyo.

22. Mariners
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Josh Rojas 308 .233 .307 .352 .291 -4.8 0.9 -0.2 0.7
Luis Urías 287 .234 .327 .387 .315 1.3 -0.6 0.4 1.2
Dylan Moore 70 .213 .313 .383 .306 -0.2 0.0 0.3 0.3
Brian Anderson 28 .220 .302 .363 .293 -0.4 -0.1 0.0 0.1
Ty France 7 .267 .341 .413 .330 0.1 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .231 .316 .371 .303 -4.0 0.3 0.6 2.3

The Mariners can’t complain too much about how Eugenio Suárez played in his two years in Seattle, but with the organization facing the prospect of having to pay him $11 million in 2024, he was involved in a salary dump for the second time in three seasons and headed to the Diamondbacks.

Still without an obvious successor to Corey’s Brother, the M’s acquired Jorge Polanco to play second base, practically guaranteeing a timeshare between Josh Rojas and Luis Urías at third. They can likely replace Suárez’s glove, but neither has his power upside.

If the projections are to be believed, team president Jerry Dipoto may come out on the positive end of this swap. After all, the computers all have some mathematical anxiety about Suárez’s future, enough that the Diamondbacks slot in below the Mariners in these rankings. If anything, the complaints aren’t about the trade and reshuffling itself, but the fact that self-imposed payroll constraints kept the M’s from pursuing Matt Chapman or Jeimer Candelario.

23. Blue Jays
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Justin Turner 273 .258 .333 .412 .325 2.6 -1.2 0.2 1.2
Isiah Kiner-Falefa 196 .255 .310 .345 .289 -4.0 0.1 0.6 0.4
Santiago Espinal 105 .268 .327 .370 .307 -0.6 -0.2 0.2 0.3
Cavan Biggio 42 .227 .333 .367 .312 -0.1 -0.0 -0.2 0.1
Ernie Clement 42 .266 .312 .385 .304 -0.4 -0.1 -0.0 0.1
Addison Barger 21 .240 .311 .397 .308 -0.1 -0.0 0.1 0.1
Eduardo Escobar 14 .231 .284 .397 .293 -0.2 -0.0 -0.1 0.0
Davis Schneider 7 .230 .336 .423 .331 0.1 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .256 .323 .382 .309 -2.7 -1.5 0.8 2.3

Whatever you think of Matt Chapman, the Blue Jays face a pretty serious positional downgrade at third base in 2024, a dangerous development for a contender. While I’ve long been a fan of Justin Turner (and am still in disbelief he was never in Game of Thrones), he’s nearing the end of his career. He still provided decent offensive output in 2023, with a 114 wRC+ for the Red Sox, but he’s aging out of the position and, due to the presence of Rafael Devers, played very little at third. I wouldn’t want to put too much money on him being in the black in terms of defensive runs this year.

But I’d also prefer to see him starting at third over Isiah Kiner-Falefa. Last season, the Yankees found creative ways to deploy IKF all over the field in order to get him playing time, and he responded by finding creative ways to make outs. While a decent enough stopgap shortstop at his best, Kiner-Falefa simply doesn’t have the bat or glove to be more than a bottom-tier third baseman.

None of the other options are very compelling. Santiago Espinal had a moment a few years ago, but his bat has slipped since and he spent much of 2023 fighting hamstring injuries. Cavan Biggio is purely a role player and Eduardo Escobar looks about done. If Turner doesn’t work out, I’d prefer the Blue Jays try to shoot the moon and go with one of the more out there options, like seeing if Ernie Clement can handle the position and hit in the majors, or if a healthier Addison Barger can recapture his 2022 mojo.

24. Mets
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Brett Baty 448 .246 .318 .407 .317 1.1 -1.2 -0.8 1.6
Mark Vientos 126 .241 .306 .440 .319 0.6 -0.3 -0.0 0.5
Joey Wendle 112 .240 .286 .357 .280 -3.1 -0.0 -0.6 0.0
Zack Short 7 .193 .300 .322 .280 -0.2 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Ronny Mauricio 7 .246 .289 .402 .296 -0.1 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .244 .310 .404 .311 -1.7 -1.6 -1.4 2.2

If you want to get into a fight on social media, say something nice about Brett Baty or Mark Vientos with a Mets fan listening. The Mets stunk in 2023 for myriad reasons, but both prospects contributed their share of the sadness with abysmal offensive seasons in Queens.

Baty was arguably the team’s biggest disappointment, showing little of the power expected from him in the majors and looking pretty bad in terms of plate discipline. The Mets were still starting him in September, but that was mainly because their season was effectively over, and Vientos didn’t give the team any real reason to want to start him there instead.

Like Baty, Vientos raked in the minors last year, but a .211/.253/.367 line with the Mets was enough to raise a lot of questions about his future. Steamer is the only one of our projection systems to forecast him with a wRC+ of 100 and he may not have enough glove to stick at third base with that projection, let alone carry the offensive requirements to play first base or designated hitter.

While we project the Mets to have some chance of making the playoffs, the team wasn’t able to cobble together a passable rotation in the offseason, and 2024 is more likely a retooling season than a competitive one. Understood in those terms, it makes sense to roll with Baty and Vientos and see if one of them works out. If both of them end up in the minors — which is very possible — Joey Wendle’s around to slot into the lineup.

25. Phillies
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Alec Bohm 525 .274 .330 .423 .325 1.8 -1.5 -2.7 1.7
Edmundo Sosa 140 .247 .298 .391 .299 -2.5 -0.1 1.1 0.4
Whit Merrifield 21 .255 .303 .371 .293 -0.5 0.0 -0.0 0.0
Rodolfo Castro 14 .220 .289 .389 .294 -0.3 -0.0 -0.1 0.0
Total 700 .267 .322 .414 .319 -1.5 -1.5 -1.7 2.2

As a prospect, Alec Bohm was expected to have decent power upside, but that has not come to pass; he only hit 22 homers in 766 minor league plate appearances and is only at 16 per 162 games in the majors so far. Bohm did manage to hit 20 homers in 2023 and drive in plenty of runs, but it was still only enough to net him a run-of-the-mill .437 slugging percentage. While he’s made great strides as a contact hitter, to the point that he’s probably better at hitting for contact than power, it hasn’t been enough to get his wRC+ comfortably over the century mark. And without a standout glove at third or even at first base, where he frequently fills in, that’s not enough to get the position out of the bottom third.

Sosa’s likely the better defensive player and showed a bit of an uptick in power in 2023, but he’s not a serious threat to Bohm’s playing time. Whit Merrifield at third would have been an interesting option three or four years ago, but he’s 35 and nearing the end of the string, and he has little experience playing the hot corner besides. Aidan Miller is probably the closest realistic challenge to Bohm at third base, but he’s years away. Put it all together and Bohm likely has a firmer grip on the third base job than any other starter playing for a team in the bottom third of these rankings.

26. Royals
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Maikel Garcia 518 .264 .325 .371 .306 -7.0 -0.4 5.1 1.7
Garrett Hampson 112 .244 .309 .351 .292 -2.8 0.2 -0.4 0.1
Nick Loftin 63 .258 .318 .388 .309 -0.7 -0.1 -0.0 0.2
Mike Brosseau 7 .235 .305 .392 .305 -0.1 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Total 700 .260 .321 .370 .304 -10.6 -0.3 4.7 2.0

With Bobby Witt Jr. proving that he can play shortstop, Maikel Garcia shifted over to third base in 2023 and quickly seized the vast majority of the playing time there. A more-than-capable shortstop, the expectation was that Garcia’s defense would be a big plus at third and that’s precisely what happened. With an RAA of +10, he ranked second in baseball and managed that feat in fewer innings than anyone else in the top five.

The problem is that while Garcia keeps runs off the scoreboard, he doesn’t add many of his own to the tally. If Garcia can’t take a big step forward with the bat, his upside is extremely limited; with an 84 wRC+ in 2023, he had to be one of the best defensive players around just to get to 1.9 WAR. Now, he’s young enough that he might take that step forward, but the middle class of the league-wide third base depth chart is deep, and he has too many maybe-if-coulds to join them at this time.

Beyond Garcia, these Royals don’t have an heir or a spare. Garrett Hampson is next up for playing time, and until they settle regulation ties in the majors by footrace, he doesn’t have much to contribute at third; he was unable to put up even superficially good offensive numbers playing at Coors. You might be optimistic about Nick Loftin given his .270/.344/.444 line at Triple-A and solid cup of coffee, but offense is way up in the minors right now and that triple slash only came to a wRC+ of 96 for Omaha (ZiPS translate it as an 80 wRC+ in the majors).

27. Tigers
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Gio Urshela 294 .277 .322 .410 .316 -0.0 -1.0 -0.4 1.0
Zach McKinstry 168 .242 .313 .385 .305 -1.5 -0.1 -1.1 0.4
Matt Vierling 154 .257 .322 .389 .311 -0.7 -0.4 -0.3 0.4
Andy Ibáñez 56 .260 .318 .408 .316 -0.0 -0.1 -0.4 0.2
Jace Jung 21 .226 .308 .382 .301 -0.3 -0.0 0.1 0.1
Colt Keith 7 .257 .320 .431 .323 0.0 -0.0 -0.0 0.0
Total 700 .261 .319 .399 .312 -2.5 -1.6 -2.2 2.0

The Tigers got very little production out of third base last year, with the team’s third basemen combining to hit .214/.294/.329, good for -1.0 WAR, which was better than only the Mets. Adding insult to injury is the fact that this is a position where the Tigers have basically given away production over the last decade. They got very little in return for Eugenio Suárez or Isaac Paredes, and non-tendered Jeimer Candelario right before his comeback season.

Detroit will likely be happier with their third basemen this season, but 2024 will probably still serve as a transitional season while they search for a solution. One of Jace Jung or Colt Keith will probably be the starter in 2025 or 2026, but for now, the team is content to cobble together some lesser options. Gio Urshela, signed to a one-year contract, will likely get the majority of the playing time, with Zach McKinstry or Matt Vierling filling in. The team’s dream scenario is that Jung dominates Triple-A and clears the field in July, but that’s still a bit uncertain.

28. Diamondbacks
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Eugenio Suárez 581 .229 .320 .406 .318 -1.6 -2.4 -0.9 1.7
Jace Peterson 49 .234 .320 .353 .298 -0.9 0.1 -0.1 0.1
Emmanuel Rivera 28 .252 .312 .403 .310 -0.2 -0.0 -0.0 0.1
Blaze Alexander 21 .220 .293 .341 .282 -0.7 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Jordan Lawlar 14 .240 .314 .373 .302 -0.2 0.0 0.0 0.0
Geraldo Perdomo 7 .241 .338 .347 .307 -0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .231 .319 .399 .314 -3.8 -2.4 -0.9 1.9

Third base has been a long-term issue for the Diamondbacks. Indeed, the last time they finished somewhere better than the bottom third in team WAR at the position was 2019, the year Eduardo Escobar hit 35 homers and led the league in triples. Since Escobar’s falloff, the position has been manned by a motley crew of fringe prospects and veterans on their way out: Asdrúbal Cabrera, Josh VanMeter, Josh Rojas, Evan Longoria, and Emmanuel Rivera, among others. Without a long-term solution, the Snakes picked up Eugenio Suárez from the Mariners in exchange for Carlos Vargas and Seby Zavala.

How you feel about Suárez may come down to where you stand on his defense. He put up solid WAR for the Mariners last year, but some of that comes down to some surprisingly good OAA numbers, far better than he had ever put up before. And there was disagreement between the different metrics, with UZR and DRS placing him in the usual “meh” category. The projection systems are on the skeptical side.

Suárez is no longer the offensive force he was in his prime and as he enters his age-32 season (he turns 33 in July), he’s firmly on the downside of his career. If he can crank out one last 130 wRC+ campaign — he did manage that mark in 2022 — the Diamondbacks will be happy, but the projections factor in a lot of risks. There’s certainly a chance Arizona acquired Suárez a year too late.

29. Rockies
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Ryan McMahon 588 .242 .324 .427 .325 -8.5 -1.2 5.5 1.8
Alan Trejo 56 .248 .295 .408 .303 -1.8 -0.1 0.1 0.0
Elehuris Montero 35 .254 .310 .452 .326 -0.5 -0.1 0.1 0.1
Aaron Schunk 14 .242 .288 .369 .285 -0.7 -0.0 0.1 -0.0
Coco Montes 7 .243 .307 .400 .308 -0.2 -0.0 0.0 0.0
Total 700 .243 .321 .425 .323 -11.7 -1.4 5.8 1.9

It’s kind of funny how Ryan McMahon ended up being a very different type of player than he appeared to be as a prospect. Back in those days, few questioned McMahon’s offensive credentials but evaluators worried about where his glove would play in the majors. But he turned out to be more than acceptable at third, to the point that he might have already snagged a Gold Glove or two if not for the fact he plays in the same league as Arenado and Hayes.

The problem instead has generally been his bat, which doesn’t match the standards at the position for someone who plays half his games at Coors Field. McMahon is a career .216/.303/.358 hitter outside of Denver, and that’s just not going to cut it at a weak position. He might already have seen his playing time start to disappear on a better team, but there’s little threat to him on the Rockies. Adael Amador’s a top prospect, but he’s more likely to replace Brendan Rodgers eventually, not McMahon. Truth be told, I doubt the Rockies even consider McMahon or third base a problem. He’s under contract through 2027 if he doesn’t opt out.

30. Nationals
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Nick Senzel 392 .231 .296 .346 .284 -12.0 -0.6 -3.7 -0.2
Ildemaro Vargas 147 .256 .303 .374 .294 -3.3 -0.3 1.1 0.3
Trey Lipscomb 77 .241 .272 .355 .272 -3.1 -0.1 0.2 -0.0
Brady House 49 .238 .284 .372 .285 -1.5 -0.1 -0.1 0.0
Jake Alu 35 .257 .312 .387 .304 -0.5 -0.0 0.2 0.1
Total 700 .239 .295 .357 .286 -20.4 -1.1 -2.3 0.3

If you have any doubts that Carter Kieboom is Kabooming — in the bad Wile E. Coyote sense rather than the good Parks and Recreation type — the former top prospect was outrighted off the 40-man roster last week, indicating that he’s not in the team’s plans, at least in the near future. Nor do the Nats appear to have much interest in Jake Alu, who struggled in his debut last season and is rather old to be considered a prospect.

To replace one former top prospect who didn’t quite pan out, the Nats appear to be turning to another in the form of Nick Senzel, who was non-tendered by the Reds this winter. Whereas Senzel was probably about 10th on the Cincy depth chart at third, he’s the most likely player to man the position for the Nationals. He’s no longer young enough to have much in the way of upside, and he’ll likely only be at the position until Washington finds someone more interesting.

That more interesting player-to-be-named-later may be Brady House, the no. 11 pick in the 2021 draft. House might have seized the job if he had absolutely raked in the spring, but he has very little experience in the high minors and is still very much a “see ball, hit ball” player at this stage of his career. If House does take a step forward offensively, especially from a plate discipline standpoint, he could very quickly push Senzel back into a utility role.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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OTMHeartBBCMember since 2025
2 years ago

wonder why bregman suddenly is half the player he was…cant put my finger on it

Flying American ManMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  OTMHeartBBC

He said it in the article. I know you are making a banging scheme joke, but the real answer is his nagging hamstring injuries that got him in 20 an 21. Those injuries completely sapped his power.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

His 22/23 power numbers are worse than they were in 2020!

…which makes sense, because the 2020 ball was still pretty damn hot.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  OTMHeartBBC

Bregman’s a punk, but his is the precise profile that disproportionately benefited from the Rocket Ball, which is why his best year was 2019, by which time the league was actually monitoring video rooms.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago

This, Bregman was probably the greatest beneficiary of the juiced ball. Almost everything about his profile has been remarkably consistent since 2017, but in the juiced ball years his HR/FB rate was significantly higher despite the rest of his batted ball profile being basically the same.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

I’d put Yelich and Suarez on that list (Torres hit loads of bombs, but he’s matched the overall production the last couple years by returning to his MiLB approach).

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  OTMHeartBBC

Probably don’t want to put your finger on a banging trash can anyway. Could be painful

catmanwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  OTMHeartBBC

It’s a lot of things. Rocketball from the late 2010s is gone, MLB cracking sown on their sign stealing, Bregman himself getting older, opponents adjusting to his style of play, injuries, etc. Some guys simply have short peaks too. Look at Bellinger and Yelich, for example. They were MVPs before the covid year, then they got hurt/got figured out, tanked completely for a bit, then settled down as merely decent/pretty good players instead of great ones. Baseball is weird and stuff happens.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

Yelich was a HUGE rocket ball guy!

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

I’m not seeing why Rendon is even listed. Unlike the ZiPS projections this is supposed to estimate playing time. Even if it is the Angels’ stated Plan A this isn’t useful.

Conversely if Sal Frelick can put up 1.1 WAR in 273 PA with above average defense they should declare 3B solved and leave him alone there. Ortiz should compete with Turang

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Seuss2004Member since 2018
2 years ago

ZiPS does project Arenado to finish somewhere around 10th all-time in JAWS, so hopefully we’ll get to see him give a speech in upstate New York sometime in the mid-2030s.”

I know that invoking JAWS rankings implies at a specific position, but should this specifically say, “10th all-time at 3rd base“?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Seuss2004

Now I’m imagining enormous sharks at every position on the field. No need for shifts

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Don’t be silly, sharks don’t have arms unless they eat someone else’s.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Seuss2004

Or even “3B JAWS”

dl80Member since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Seuss2004

Let’s see what it would take for Arenado to be top 10 all time regardless of position. Let’s assume ZIPS projects him to end up in the top 10 WAR at 3B, rather than just by JAWS. He’s at 48 now, and 70 would put him in 10th, just ahead of Rolen.

I think that’s certainly possible, though I’m not sure it’s likely. Maybe we inexplicably predict him to get to 80, which is nearly impossible, but hey.

He would need 46 additional WAR over that very lofty 80 to pass Musial for 10th place.

So, yeah, I guess it was just at 3B, sadly.

Seuss2004Member since 2018
2 years ago

The first paragraph of the Reds blurb had me snorting with laughter, thank you.

David Klein
2 years ago

Sucks that Mauricio got hurt because if Vientos and Baty stink it up again there’s no good alternative unless they try McNeil at third base and possibly call up Acuna to play second base say in June.

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Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Can Acuña not attempt 3B?

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The thinking seems to be that he’s got a weak arm for the left side of the infield. I don’t think he’s making it to the majors this year no matter what position he plays.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

This is the third article in a row where I am cringing at how much the backup plan is Joey Wendle. He may end up starting half the games!

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

They haven’t even done the starting pitchers yet

achidesterMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Pitcher with the 7th-highest WAR projection for the Mets: believe it or not, Joey Wendle.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  achidester

You made me look, but unlike Luis Guillorme, the guy the Mets inexplicably replaced with Wendle, he’s apparently never pitched. Yet.

CC AFCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Who’s got Daniel Murphy’s number?

lacslyer
2 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

The last thing they need to do in 2024 is worry about calling up Acuna to cover 2nd if Baty or Vientos aren’t capable at 3rd. Maybe if they compete for a playoff spot, but that’s more unlikely than I think fans want to realize with the way the rotation is looking. Even then, some of you guys want to call up players like it won’t effect their development in any way.

David Klein
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

I should have clarified if he has a big first half in Syracuse and Vientos and Baty stink it up.

achidesterMember since 2020
2 years ago

If you had approached me in December 2019 with these projections/blurbs on Anthony Rendon, Carter Kieboom and Nick Senzel, I would’ve shouted you out of the room for trolling.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  achidester

This is why I was afraid to approach you in December 2019

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Which begs the question: What did Ivan Grushenko know and when did he know it?

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  achidester

Matt Chapman, as well.

mariodegenzgz
2 years ago

McMahon could provide more than barely average everyday player value if the Rockies paid attention to the data right in front of them for once and just platooned him. The organization keeps insisting he’s an everyday player and “those players don’t platoon or play multiple positions”, but that and his good glove don’t mean a thing when he has like a 70 wRC+ against lefties for his career.

If only they had a right-handed third baseman in need of MLB PAs on the roster they could work a platoon out with… man, I WONDER WHO THAT COULD BE

tung_twista
2 years ago

I understand regression towards the median, but something is off when the 29th projection is at 1.9 war (which would have been good for 17th in 3B among all teams in 2023.)

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Or pessimistic in cases where one player is the best option and still gets only partial playing time like Jeimer Candelario whose ZiPS DC is less than ZiPS/600. Or Christopher Morel who would be better off as full time DH. Really anyone suboptimally used either due to poor team fit or manager underestimation

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sogoodlooking
2 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

My whims are science, damn it!

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Keep in mind that the projected playing time is significantly split for some of the teams. 29 projected 3B situations with 1.9+ WAR isn’t even close to saying that there are actually 29 3rd basemen projected for 1.9+ WAR.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago

45.0 WAR for Jose Ramirez 2016-2023

That’s a pretty sexy peak. What’s the consensus on his HOF odds?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

I’ve no idea on consensus but I’d vote for him if he had 3 more 5 WAR seasons and I had a vote. 3 4 WAR seasons and postseason heroics would do it too. Below that he’s fighting at the bottom of a ballot for me at best.

fjtorres
2 years ago

Two more good years and a graceful decline and he makes it.
Not necessarilly first ballot but early in his ballot time.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Sounds reasonable. He’s been great on a rate basis, but I wonder if he’ll have the volume counting stats wise for the voters. He’s already 31 and he’s only at 1327H/216HR.

The “well above average at everything, eye-poppingly great at nothing” candidates have struggled to get support in the past. I’ll be curious to see what narrative develops around his eventual candidacy.

catmanwayne
2 years ago

I think as time has gone on voters have cared a little bit less about counting stats. They still like the big round numbers (3k hits, 500 homers, etc.), but I think going forward they’ll be more lenient on those than in years past. We’ve already seen Joe Mauer, Todd Helton, Edgar Martinez, Scott Rolen, and Larry Walker get elected in recent years. They were great players who did a bit of everything except compile traditional counting stats. Also, I bet a lot of us would storm the BBWAA lair if Joey Votto doesn’t get elected in 2030.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

He should at least get to the important (for Hall of Fame voting) 2,000 hit milestone.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

That would be my preference but HOF hasn’t elected Darrell Evans, Sal Bando, Robin Ventura, Buddy Bell or Graig Nettles. He’d be somewhat similar to them with that future performance. It would be a positive sign for him if Machado got a bunch of support. Ramirez alone isn’t really famous enough nor George Brett good.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The only one of those whose WAR total is really close to Ramirez through age 30 is Bell, who had 17 WAR afterward. Bando was effectively done after four more seasons. Ventura needed a monster age 31 season to reach Ramirez’s current WAR total and never hit 4 WAR again. Nettles had monster seasons at 31 and 32 which again brought him close to Ramirez’s total, then another 6 win season and no more above 3.0. Evans didn’t have a full season till age 25, but if we go through age 32 to get him near Ramirez’s current PA total, he’s twelve wins behind Ramirez, with four 4 WAR seasons and a bunch of decent seasons in his future.

Also Nettles and Bell and Evans are Hall-worthy, just because the voters messed up before doesn’t mean we should do it again.

Looking at the 3B leaderboard through age 30, the trajectory you’re describing is more like Scott Rolen–2 WAR ahead of Ramirez through 30, afterward had one 5 WAR season and 2 4s but no 3s, had one good World Series but his overall postseason numbers are bad. Ramirez is very close to where Longoria was and would probably have to fall off that hard not to make it, for me. (He’s a shade ahead of Chipper but Chipper went off in his 30s.)

fjtorres
2 years ago

Rolen is a good target for HRs, runs and rbi’s. With Ramirez way better on baserunning and steals. He doesn’t have to exactly match or exceed Rolen to be in the conversation.

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Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago

Have to think he’s a virtual 100% barring catastrophic injury or precipitous decline. If he ages anything like “normally,” he’s a lock.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

Yeah, if he sticks around long enough to reach 2000 hits, he’ll also be in the 300/300 range…and he looks to be a lock for the “single team” bonus, too.

fjtorres
2 years ago

There are only 8 members of the 300/300 club:
Mays, Bonds and Bonds, Dawson, Beltran, ARod, Steve Finley, and Reggie Sanders.

All outfielders except for ARod.
Finley shined on counting stats (and he got 2500 hits) but both he and Sanders topped out at 40 WAR over 18 and 15 years.

Peak RBIs is Finley at 1167, Peak runs at 1443.

In 10 years Ramirez stands at 784, 746. In 2 good years he should be in Finley territory and beyond Bobby Bonds in both stats.

I would offer up Scott Rolen with 70 WAR over 16 years, with 316 hrs, 118 steals, and 2077 hits, 1211 runs and 1287 rbi.

Ramirez stands a chance at being in Rolen range in 6 years with his speed and baserunning as his differentiator. He might not even need to get to 2000 hits though he only needs to average 100.

So: two good years and 3-5 years graceful decline for 25 war over 7 years.

No guarantee, but doable.

Last edited 2 years ago by fjtorres
soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

There are only 8 members of the 300/300 club:

Mays, Bonds and Bonds, Dawson, Beltran, ARod, Steve Finley, and Reggie Sanders.

This sort of narrative is perfect – the sort a thing a “traditional” voter can hang their hat on and say, “you see that – he’s one of the best ever and deserving.”

(I have no doubts he’ll be properly appreciated by the more analytically inclined voters.)

baseballfan115Member since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I think Jose Altuve has a good chance to get there as well as an infielder. Interestingly, his candidacy might help Ramirez’ as he will be seen as a lock but will likely have a lower career WAR than Ramirez.

Them both being part of a relatively elite group like 300-300 infielders will bond them together and invite comparisons that will be good for Ramirez.

PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago

I agree. He really has to just not collapse.

1 more 5+ rWAR season would really help. He has a 3.1rWAR season on his JAWs peak score. Another big season will double count toward hs peak & total & would get him over 50 career & 42 peak rWAR.

After that, slow decline from 2025-28 (age 35 & the length of his contract) where he accumulates 10-12 rWAR in those 4 years, gets him over 60. That gets him to 36 years old. Play a few more years after that to build some counting stats, & he’ll be good.

One difference between him & guys like Buddy Bell, Nettles, Ventura, Bando, etc. is Ramirez is a much more significant figure in today’s game (I.E. Fame portion of Hall of Fame). He has 4 top 4 MVP votes & a 6th place. Bando had 3 top 4 votes, but, those other guys aren’t anywhere close to that.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Nettles in particular had the misfortune of being a Top 5 defensive 3B of all time…whose defensive prime took place in the AL from 1970-79.

Shift him to the NL and he retires with 7-10 Gold Gloves, rather than the 2 he won between Brooks and Buddy.

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PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago

Agreed. No one was getting out of Brooks shadow by that point. Add in Nettles being a low BA, mid OBP power guy & he just wasn’t going to get the credit he deserved.

The other thing is while he was probably the best or 2nd best player on those Bronx Zoo Yankee teams that made 4 WS (winning 2), he was overshadowed by all the big personalities around those teams- Reggie, Thurman Munson, Goose Gossage, Sparky Lyle, Billy Martin & Steinbrenner..those guys sucked up a lot of oxygen.

sogoodlooking
2 years ago

Interesting, that Andres Giminez beats JR by bWAR in both 2022 and 2023. AG has to be on the HOF board, even if it’s at 1 or 2 percent.

As for Jose, a phase of moderate decline should carry him nicely over the finish line, no? 31 is a dangerous age, though, and four 3 WAR seasons don’t really get him there, though Cleveland will give him every chance to make it, and he is well liked. No indicators of serious decline that I can see…

…my black box algo tells me 55%.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sogoodlooking

Four 3 WAR seasons get him there if he follows them with a couple 2 WAR seasons to dot the i’s and cross the t’s on his counting stats.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  sogoodlooking

Too early.
Gimenez’ 2024 and 2025 need to be closer to 2022 and not worse than 2023. He needs to define what his offense is so we can tell what kind of player he is. Is he a multitool talent or a glove first defensive whiz? Even Ozzie Smith had to show his bat to be Ozzie.

His defense is brilliant but defense alone won’t buy him even 2% at his age.

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John WickMember since 2018
2 years ago

SD’s playing time assumptions need updating … looks like Pauley will be playing 3B until Machado is ready

catmanwayne
2 years ago

Going from Suarez to a Urias/Rojas looks like a wash for the Mariners. Hoping Urias at least bounces back to something close to his 2021-22 stats, and that Rojas isn’t a total bust. Still, not necessarily inspiring considering that Seattle needs to squeeze as many wins as possible out of guys to get back into the playoffs.

Jorge FabregasMember since 2016
2 years ago

I’m thinking that Colson Montgomery and Bryan Ramos will each get more than 21 PAs at third–not that this would change the rankings!

Edit: Well, I guess it could lower the White Sox ranking if it was because of a Moncada trade or injury.

Last edited 2 years ago by Jorge Fabregas
bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago

I certainly enjoy Dan’s witty comments but about the only thing that I recall from many of these comments is the never ending gross differences between the various defensive metric systems. Nothing has changed since I first found Fangraphs about 10 years ago. One system ranks one player highly while another one bashes him but then, at another position, the systems reverse themselves completely. It is fruitless to attempt to decipher the variables that seem to infect each of the methodologies. Range is important to one let us say at SS but doesn’t appear to carry the same importance at 1st. I said it here years ago and since nothing is any closer to showing any consistency between the varying systems I will continue to use my eyes that last year showed me, with tremendous clarity, that Enrique Hernandez should never have been the regular SS on a major league team or that 1st basemen are grotesquely underappreciated when their defensive contributio0ns are measured.

sogoodlooking
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

My own grievance is team projections that project and sum players’ WAR, add that to 48, 48.5, 49… or wherever we are that year, and never factor in the INEVITABLE contributors of negative WAR. Even the superb teams routinely have various players cough up negative 4 WAR, and the bad teams get as high as negative 10 WAR. You can’t project teams properly without estimating these ‘contributions’ from the Jonathan Arauz’s of the world.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sogoodlooking

Even the superb teams routinely have various players cough up negative 4 WAR, and the bad teams get as high as negative 10 WAR. 

Huh? I’ve never seen a player with -4 WAR, much less -10…

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

B-Ref agrees that traditional positional adjustments underrate 1Bs!

In terms of empirical team behavior, FG’s SS and cOF adjustments are about right, but C should be +9/10, 1B should be -9/10, 2B/3B/CF should be be +3-5, runs too low, and DH should be -12/13

jrothMember since 2026
2 years ago

I’m just going to keep beating this drum: Hayes transformed his swing in the middle of last season, converting a career of elite EV aimed straight into the ground into 300 PAs of elite EV aimed where you want the ball to go.

From June 1, he was the 7th-most valuable 3B in MLB. However, because of an injury that cost him a month, every player above him had at least 25% more PAs during that time. On a rate basis, he was the best 3B in baseball, and it wasn’t close. He would’ve needed just 430 PAs to have the most WAR, ahead of what Riley did in 471, Henderson did in 438, Ramirez did in 461, or Bregman did in 481. In other words, it wasn’t close. His wRC+ was 127, and I don’t have to talk about the glove.

Sure, sure, SSS and arbitrary endpoints (although June 1 doesn’t correlate to anything in his season). But the EV has always been there (better HardHit% than Elly De La Cruz, frex), as have solid plate discipline and approach. Launch angle changes come and go, so it’s possible he’ll regress, of course. But this isn’t a guy who’s never figured it out: it’s a guy who spent half a season as one of the best hitting 3Bs in baseball, and has a chance to pick up gold and silver hardware next season.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  jroth

Yeah, I’m a Pirates homer, but even without carving up the season at all he put up a 101 wRC+ after an 85 and 87 the two seasons before. It seems a little odd to say “he’s rapidly running out of time to take that big step forward” after a 14-point wRC+ jump. ZiPS is obviously forecasting him to give most of that back, though it’s also the low system on his bat, projecting him for his career ISO and a career-low BABIP. (But the other systems are low on his defense for some reason.)

As for launch angle changes, his launch angle has gone up every year since 2021, by a lot! From 2.6 to 5.2 to 13.2. There was an article early last season about how his increased launch angle wasn’t helping because he was hitting grounders hard and fly balls less so, and maybe his fixing that issue later in the season wasn’t permanent, but the talk in some quarters that he hasn’t increased his angle is just not borne out.

catmanwayne
2 years ago

I think the free swinging approach is what holds Cruz and De La Cruz back a bit. They’re not swinging at literally everything like Javy Baez seems to, but they’re not very selective either. If they can dial it back just a bit and learn to track for their pitch a little more frequently rather than chasing it down, they could break out in a big way.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

[btw, the comments above were about Ke’Bryan Hayes, not the de la/Cruzes]

The issue with Cruz and de la Cruz isn’t really free swinging. They swing less than league average–’23 league average Swing% is 47.4, EDLC career 45.2, OC career 41.1 which is almost Mookie Betts’ Swing% for 22-23. As opposed to Javy Baez who is at 55.3 for 22-23.

The issue is pitch recognition. EDLC and OC both get to below-average swing rates by having above-average O-swing and well below-average Z-swing. Cruz has the third-lowest Z-swing from 22-23 (min. 300 PA), behind Vogelbach and LeMahieu who just don’t swing at all. That’s probably harder to fix with just a change in approach–but guys with that kind of power and good pitch recognition as well would be like easy 8-win players.

1956 PiratesMember since 2021
2 years ago

I wonder what Zips would have projected for Jose Bautista in 2011. He had a career OPS+ of 91 over 2000 PA at the end of 2009, and, of course, hit 54 HRs with a 164 OPS+ in 2010. From 2011-2015 he had an OPS+ of 154. It’s a more extreme, but analogous example of how it’s failing to take all relevant information into account when projecting Hayes.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

While I know the projections have to take it into account, Arenado’s first half defensive slump last year was the weirdest thing and really shouldn’t be held against his 2024 expectations. He snapped out of the slump to play his usual Gold Glove level defense in the second half of the season, and there’s no reason not to expect his usual level of elite defense to also continue this season.

As for who plays 3B if Arenado were to be injured, I’d expect most of the playing time would simply go to Nolan Gorman with Donovan taking over at 2B against righties, with Edman at 2B against lefties when Carlson would then start in CF.

tdouglas
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I don’t think STL wants Gorman at third. It seems like they’d like him to stick at second base and let the utility guys move around and fill in when needed. A long-term injury (multiple months) might change the equation, since Edman and Donovan are clearly better second basemen. Of course, if Saggese or Prieto is called up in this scenario, their defensive fits might matter, too.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  tdouglas

Edman is certainly a much better defensive 2B, but Donovan is only about as good as Gorman is there. Donovan only won that Gold Glove due to a quirk in the voting for the new Utility position, whereas either Edman or Varsho should’ve won that award had their votes not been split with another position. However, Gorman is probably a better defender at 3B than Donovan is.

sogoodlooking
2 years ago

The Mets had a combined 22 years to teach ONE of Baty, Vientos, Mauricio, and JD Davis to field 3B competently enough for it not to be a problem. They couldn’t do it.

It’ll be very interesting to see what changes Stearns makes.

David Klein
2 years ago
Reply to  sogoodlooking

We don’t know that Maurico can’t unfortunately we won’t find out this year.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  sogoodlooking

I mean Davis actually could do it and they basically just wouldn’t let him, but the rest of your point stands. It’s an odd assortment of guys who don’t seem to have stuck at any position.

wokegraphs3
2 years ago

Can’t wait to discus Shohei Rose-tani when we get to DH’s

jacksonv123
2 years ago

Brewers drafting a whole bunch of guys who get their value from playing premium CF defense and then moving them to non-premium positions… Make it make sense

GammaDraconisMember since 2020
2 years ago

And like that Espinal is gone from the Blue Jays, so we’re already out of date here.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  GammaDraconis

I mean, transactions happen. All the time. You have to pinpoint a date and go with it, y’know?