2024 Trade Value: Nos. 41-50

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As is tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the lead-up to the trade deadline to take stock of the top 50 players in baseball by trade value. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at the players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.

For those of you who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2025-2029, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money, if any, the year through which their team has contractual control of them, last year’s rank (if applicable), and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2029 (assuming the player is under contract or team control for those seasons). Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2023 post. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for his technical wizardry. At the bottom of the page, there is a grid showing all of the players who have been ranked up to this point.

One note on the rankings: Particularly at the bottom of the list, there isn’t a lot of room between the players. The ordinal rankings clearly matter, and we put them there for a reason, but there isn’t much of a gap between, say, the 38th-ranked player and the 60th. The magnitude of the differences in this part of the list is quite small. Several of the folks I talked to might prefer a player in the honorable mentions section to one on the back end of the list, or vice versa. I think the broad strokes are correct, and this is my opinion of the best order, but with so many players carrying roughly equivalent value, disagreements abounded. I’ll note places where I disagreed meaningfully with people I spoke with in calibrating this list, and I’ll also note players whose value was the subject of disagreement among my contacts. As I mentioned in the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, I’ll also indicate tier breaks between players where appropriate, both in their capsules and in the table at the end of the piece.

With that out of the way, let’s get to the first batch of players.

Five-Year WAR 10.2
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2027
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 26 2.1 Arb 1
2026 27 2.1 Arb 2
2027 28 2.0 Arb 3
Arb

The first six players on the list belong in a tier together, and some of the Honorable Mention pitchers could credibly fit here as well. Call it “playoff starters with team control” if you’re looking for a label. Gore fits that bill. His talent has never been in question. Watch him for an inning, and you’ll come away impressed by his upper-90s fastball and wait-where-did-it-go curveball. He even throws a credible slider and changeup to support his two primary offerings. Gore’s strikeout and swinging strike rates have increased every year, and his walk rate has consistently declined. The further removed he gets from his disastrous 2021 control implosion, the more confident I get about his medium-term trajectory. The numbers are starting to back me up; Gore’s 3.14 FIP and 3.78 xFIP sound closer to his true talent level than his 4.20 ERA on the year (a .361 BABIP allowed isn’t helping there).

At this point, I think Gore’s reasonable upside is excellent second banana in a playoff rotation. He’s not quite there yet; even though it’s better than before, his command still abandons him frequently enough that I’d be uncomfortable trying to get bulk innings out of him against dialed-in opponents. He’d be a great fit on a team with two inning-eating starters and a deep bullpen; when he’s on, he can be dominant, but he still has stretches where he can’t find the zone.

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There’s always injury risk with pitchers, but Gore is at least under team control for quite a while. He’ll reach free agency after the 2027 season, so a team that traded for him would get three years of production at arbitration salaries. That cushions the blow if he has to miss time; two salary-controlled years of Gore is still a nice prize. As you’ll see in a lot of today’s players, pitching is so unpredictable and yet so necessary that a live arm with three-plus years left under contract makes for a hot commodity.

Five-Year WAR 13.1
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2027
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 29 3.2 Arb 2
2026 30 2.9 Arb 3
2027 31 2.7 Arb 4
Arb

Like Gore, Steele has three years of team control left after 2024. Unlike Gore, he’s peaking right now; he’s 29 and in the midst of the best stretch of his career. His cutter/slider approach has always felt fragile to me, but at this point that assessment strains credulity. He’s working on his third straight year of ERAs and ERA estimators in the low-to-mid-3.00s, with future projections in the same general vicinity. If he’s the third-best pitcher in your rotation, you’re ecstatic. If he’s the ace, you’re probably feeling a little bit undermanned.

Steele tends to miss a few starts with injury every year, but he’s thus far avoided any major setbacks. I gave him the nod over Gore for that reason; Steele succeeds without a ton of velocity, which makes me marginally less worried about his elbow exploding. He’s starting from a higher salary thanks to his Super-2 status, but he’s still a bargain, and team control matters far more than the exact cost of that control at these levels of salary.

No one is going to trade for Steele thinking that they’ll unlock another level of dominance. He’s already maxing out his talent level, and more power to him for it. I often find myself thinking “How did he manage that?” when I watch a Steele start. That puts a cap on his perceived value, but it’s hard to argue with the results. Every team needs more pitching, after all, and you don’t get extra points for looking nice in GIFs.

Five-Year WAR 12.0
Guaranteed Dollars $46.3 M
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank #41
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 25 2.5 $6.3 M
2026 26 2.5 $8.3 M
2027 27 2.5 $15.3 M
2028 28 2.3 $16.3 M
2029 29 2.3 $21.0 M
Team Option

Get ready to hear a lot of variations on this statement: I like Greene more than Gore and Steele because he’ll be around for longer. Results-wise, there isn’t a lot of daylight between these three. They go about it differently, but a mid-3.00s ERA in a neutral park feels like a median expectation for each of them. Greene does it while touching 100 with his fastball, but he mostly uses that fastball as a setup pitch and goes to his slider when he needs to do heavy lifting.

The “how” certainly matters, but what I’m focusing on for this ranking is the “how long.” Greene signed an early-career extension that pays him roughly $10 million a year through 2028. There’s even a team option for 2029, which will be his age-29 season. If he’s still healthy and effective, that’s a nice bonus, and if he’s not, hey, it was risk-free anyway.

There’s very little separating Greene and the names above and below him, a fact you can clearly see in the ZiPS forecasts. A tiny bit of projectability here, a smidgen of injury risk there, a few extra strikeouts or grounders. When that’s the case, I go to my Sesame Street model to make distinctions. One of these things is not like the other, and it’s Greene’s years of team control remaining. Alternately, how many years of team control do I count? One, two, three, four, (option for) five, ah ha ha! Jim Henson would have been a great talent evaluator, is what I’m saying. Oh, and Hunter Greene is good.

Five-Year WAR 13.0
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 26 2.9 Pre-Arb
2026 27 2.8 Arb 1
2027 28 2.7 Arb 2
2028 29 2.5 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

The Guardians apparently have a velocity augmentation factory hidden somewhere in their minor league system, and Bibee has used it to great effect. He’s added a ton of velo as a professional, which is how a fifth round pick from 2021 broke into the majors in 2023 and looked like an impact starter right away. His command and secondaries were always strong points; staple that to a league average fastball, and you’re cooking with gas.

I don’t think there’s a lot more in the tank here; like Steele, Bibee seems to be maxing out his strikeout potential, and his command is already excellent, so it’s not exactly easy for it to improve even further. I do think that Bibee is a good bet to churn out 150-175 innings of good pitching every year, though; I love a well-rounded skill set that doesn’t rely too much on a single pitch, and I particularly love pitchers who pair that with good command.

Bibee has another pre-arbitration year and then three years of arb, so he’s going to be both cheap and effective for quite a while. That comes out to one fewer year of control than Greene, but I’d prefer Bibee’s contract to Greene’s nevertheless; having all the years be contingent gives the team more protection in case of injury or underperformance. You can plow the next four years of savings into upgrading elsewhere, which is worth taking into account when you’re looking at players who are nice but hardly franchise cornerstones.

Five-Year WAR 10.6
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 25 2.2 Pre-Arb
2026 26 2.2 Pre-Arb
2027 27 2.2 Arb 1
2028 28 2.1 Arb 2
2029 29 2.0 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Let’s bring back special pitching correspondent Count von Count for this one. Five! Five years of cost-controlled pitching! Ah ha ha! That’s the elevator pitch for Rodriguez; he’s pretty similar to the guys behind him on the list, only you get him for more years. He has some Gore to him – he pairs a big fastball with multiple wipeout secondary pitches. He also has some Greene to him – he’s using that fastball a little bit less despite its enviable velocity because his other pitches are just better. He doesn’t quite have Bibee’s command, but he’s still above average there.

If there’s one thing to be worried about in his profile, it’s that he’s had a couple of non-elbow-related IL stints in the past three years. Rodriguez was out for months with a lat strain in 2022, then missed a few turns in the rotation this year with shoulder inflammation. Even as TJ has become commonplace, shoulder injuries remain scary and unpredictable, and every 30-year-old knows how backs can act up on you.

I think that risk is manageable, because you’re getting plenty of upside. If Rodriguez never improves from here, he can still be a playoff team’s third option. His changeup is hellacious, and on any given day, one of his two breaking balls is often cooking; you can dream on improvement very easily. I can imagine a world where everything clicks and he’s suddenly a 2.75-3.25 ERA guy instead of 3.50-4.00, which is where we’re projecting him. High floor and achievable ceiling? Sounds good to me.

Five-Year WAR 11.8
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank #-
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 23 2.2 Pre-Arb
2026 24 2.4 Pre-Arb
2027 25 2.4 Arb 1
2028 26 2.4 Arb 2
2029 27 2.4 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Jones was the most controversial pitcher of this group in my cross-checking process, but not in any consistent direction. The anti-Jones case is easy enough to make: He’s a littler dude, listed at 6-foot-1 and 180 pounds, with outrageous velocity and (until this year) scattershot command. Pitchers of his general stature and style have excelled (Spencer Strider and Tim Lincecum come to mind), but durability has always been a concern. Jones has only made two starts on regular rest this year, and he’s currently on the IL with a lat strain. Scary!

The pro-Jones case is even more straightforward: The only starter in all of baseball with a better fastball is Paul Skenes. With beautiful shape and newly pinpoint command, Jones comes after hitters early and often. He’s missing bats at an elite rate as a rookie with only two pitches, and his curveball and changeup are both promising. He could excel as a two-pitch guy with good command or as one who improves either of those options just slightly. Getting 150 innings a year of a Strider starter kit makes for a tremendous pitcher, even before you consider how much he might improve with a little more experience.

I put Jones at the head of this group because I think he’s the most likely to end up as a true ace, but I’m sympathetic to the argument that he’s also the riskiest of this tier. He won’t reach free agency until after the 2029 season, and still has two more years at the league minimum, so we’re talking bargain-basement costs here. Even if Jones spends the next half-decade as a streaky and sometimes-injured rotation option, he’ll be a tremendous value to whichever team rosters him. The chance of spectacular success puts him over the edge for me.

Five-Year WAR 20.1
Guaranteed Dollars $238.7 M
Team Control Through 2031
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 31 5.4 $34.1 M
2026 32 4.9 $34.1 M
2027 33 4.2 $34.1 M
2028 34 3.2 $34.1 M
2029 35 2.4 $34.1 M

Believe it or not, I didn’t get a ton of pushback to this tier, which extends for the next four players. None of the contracts are backbreaking in either years or average annual value, though obviously they’re not going to be amazing five years down the road. Not everyone agreed with the placement – I think that several team sources would have preferred to see this group at the top of the honorable mentions instead of on the list proper – but I don’t think anyone was completely aghast about it or anything.

Lindor was a less universal inclusion in this group than the next names you’ll see, more or less because of concerns about how his defense will age. He’s a good rather than great hitter; he racks up MVP-candidate value because he’s also a great defender and baserunner. A move down the defensive spectrum would really sting given that context.

I’m of the “let’s find out later” contingent on that front, though. In his age-30 season, he’s about as fast as ever, and Statcast thinks his defense is still elite. He’s also working on his third straight season of a 120 or better wRC+; that would play at first base, never mind shortstop.

Trading for Lindor would mean assuming some future years of pain, no doubt. He’s just not going to be the same player seven years down the road. Half the teams in baseball, maybe more, wouldn’t even consider rostering him. I just think the numbers speak for themselves; the only way you’re getting a better shortstop for the next few years is by going hilariously higher up on this list (or going two slots higher, hashtag foreshadowing).

Five-Year WAR 15.4
Guaranteed Dollars $47.8 M
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 31 4.5 $16.6 M
2026 32 3.8 $16.6 M
2027 33 3.0 $14.6 M
2028 34 2.4 $13.0 M
Team Option

Marte isn’t exactly paid like a superstar; his contract treats him more like a low-end All-Star. In the past two years, he’s been more than that; since the start of 2023, he’s racked up a gaudy 8.4 WAR, a rounding error away from a top 10 line among all hitters. He’s not doing anything new; he’s just put together all the skills he showed in the past at once. He has a plus batting eye, makes a ton of contact, and hits for bruising power from the right side of the plate.

Marte has shown flashes of this form before, notably in 2019 when he put up a .329/.389/.592 batting line in the year of the rabbit ball. He’s doing it in much tougher conditions this time, and he’s going to flirt with a career high in homers despite the miserable offensive environment. He’s also playing excellent defense, once one of the biggest sticking points in his profile; as it turns out, a permanent move to second base has served him well.

Why isn’t Marte higher given all that praise? Essentially, I think his upside is capped. When he’s firing on all cylinders, he’s 40-50% better than average offensively, and he’s never going to be a huge defensive asset. He’s also 30, so it’s probably not getting better than this, and this isn’t a Lindor situation where the status quo is an unending string of six-win seasons. If Marte is the best player on your team, your team probably isn’t good enough.

I like the contract. I like the talent. I like that Marte is playing better than ever, and in a way that looks sustainable to me. I’m just pumping the brakes a little bit because I think the most likely outcome is a 3-4 WAR guy in future years, not a 5-6 WAR one. Consider it a hedge.

Five-Year WAR 16.3
Guaranteed Dollars $190 M
Team Control Through 2031
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 31 4.7 $32.5 M
2026 32 4.1 $31.5 M
2027 33 3.3 $31.5 M
2028 34 2.5 $31.5 M
2029 35 1.7 $31.5 M

Let’s continue the contract discussion from the Lindor section. Seager is owed a lot of money, over a lot of years. He’ll earn that money, though. We’re talking about a career 134 wRC+ hitter coming off of an MVP-caliber season that was cut short by injury. He’s mashing again this year, walking more than ever and still striking out much less than average. You don’t get a hitting metric named after you if you don’t rake.

Most of what I said about Lindor applies here too. Six years down the road, Seager’s compensation will be higher than his skill merits. That’s unavoidable. Today, though, he’s a crazy bargain. He’s one of the best handful of players in the game, and he’s making what two mid-tier starters make combined. The reason his deal looks so onerous in the far future is because he’s sacrificing value today. Every single team in baseball, even the ones that habitually cry poverty, would trip over themselves to sign Seager to a one-year, $32.5 million deal. They’d trip over themselves to do two or even three years at that rate. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t hit like an All-Star for the next three years.

It’s not like there are no risks. I don’t know how long Seager will stick at shortstop, for one thing, though his bat would be comfortably above average at DH, never mind third base, his most likely landing spot. He’s definitely injury prone, though I think that’s overblown: He’s 57th in plate appearances since signing in Texas, right in line with a lot of players who don’t have a reputation as being brittle. And if you’re wrong, you’re going to be really wrong, in a way that hurts the franchise a bit in the future. But for this kind of talent – a top 10 player when healthy – the juice is worth the squeeze.

Five-Year WAR 12.6
Guaranteed Dollars $192.7 M
Team Control Through 2031
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 32 3.8 $27.5 M
2026 33 3.2 $27.5 M
2027 34 2.5 $27.5 M
2028 35 1.9 $27.5 M
2029 36 1.3 $23.5 M

It was always going to happen this way. When Harper signed with the Phillies after the 2018 season, his deal felt like a high-water mark. I mean, $330 million! Those are A-Rod numbers. But Harper has been more than worth the deal so far, and with the inflation that’s gone on since then, his $25.4 million average annual value looks downright affordable these days. Harper has been awesome the entire time he’s been in Philadelphia – he has an aggregate 147 wRC+ as a Phil, better than his time as a National – and there are no signs that he’s slowing down.

There are better hitters in baseball – but there aren’t a lot of better hitters. I’m not sure I’d put an 80 on his raw power, but his game power definitely deserves that mark. No one strikes fear into pitchers quite like Harper, with his sell-out, uppercut swing and thirsty, let’s-go-mash approach. We’re talking about a guy with a premium batting eye – he just happens to use it in anger. Harper walks 15% of the time despite hating to walk. He’s trying to hit everything to the right field stands, and he’s doing it more often than not. He also rips line drives and has a league-average contact rate despite that huge swing. He’s a spectacular talent, and his skill set feels like it will age well to me.

Sure, he plays first base, but that just doesn’t bother me much given his spectacular offensive production. I think that positional adjustments are too harsh to transcendent hitters who happen to play first base or DH. The guys who are 10% above league average? Sure, they’re properly penalized; a lot of minor leaguers could do a similar job. But true top-of-the-line hitters like Harper are so rare that teams will happily plug them in anywhere; he’s a massive improvement over an average first base hitter, just like Seager is a massive improvement over average shortstop hitters. Oh, and he might be a really good defensive first baseman, too.

I’m quite confident that Harper should be the leading name in this tier. I thought about sliding this group up the list into the 30’s, even; it’s really hard to get hitters like this, and none of these contracts are even particularly underwater from a pure surplus value standpoint. No one’s going to trade you Bryce Harper – or Seager, Marte, or Lindor. But if they were available, there’d be robust bidding. It’s all well and good to protest about contract size, but when the rubber hits the road, teams want Bryce Harper, and they’d give up good prospects to get him.

2024 Trade Value, 41-50
Rk Pv Player Age 2025 2026 2027 2028 2029
41 Bryce Harper 31 3.8
$27.5 M
3.2
$27.5 M
2.5
$27.5 M
1.9
$27.5 M
1.3
$23.5 M
42 HM Corey Seager 30 4.7
$32.5 M
4.1
$31.5 M
3.3
$31.5 M
2.5
$31.5 M
1.7
$31.5 M
43 HM Ketel Marte 30 4.5
$16.6 M
3.8
$16.6 M
3.0
$14.6 M
2.4
$13.0 M
44 HM Francisco Lindor 30 5.4
$34.1 M
4.9
$34.1 M
4.2
$34.1 M
3.2
$34.1 M
2.4
$34.1 M
45 Jared Jones 22 2.2
Pre-Arb
2.4
Pre-Arb
2.4
Arb 1
2.4
Arb 2
2.4
Arb 3
46 Grayson Rodriguez 24 2.2
Pre-Arb
2.2
Pre-Arb
2.2
Arb 1
2.1
Arb 2
2.0
Arb 3
47 Tanner Bibee 25 2.9
Pre-Arb
2.8
Arb 1
2.7
Arb 2
2.5
Arb 3
48 41 Hunter Greene 24 2.5
$6.3 M
2.5
$8.3 M
2.5
$15.3 M
2.3
$16.3 M
2.3
$21.0 M
49 HM Justin Steele 28 3.2
Arb 2
2.9
Arb 3
2.7
Arb 4
50 MacKenzie Gore 25 2.1
Arb 1
2.1
Arb 2
2.0
Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb
Team Option





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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I’m pretty sure I would have put all of those cheap starters plus Houck and Joe Ryan ahead of Lindor and Seager. I like them all, but that’s a lot of money and teams are desperate for playoff-caliber starters right now.

I would put Harper in a different category than Seager and Lindor though, he and Yordan Alvarez are probably the best at hitting in MLB outside of the Soto-Ohtani-Judge trio. Hard to find anyone who hits like that.

Jimmy DuganMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Trout, Mookie, Probably Acuna, Freeman, Altuve…

Kyle Tucker, Gunnar, Seager, and Jose Ramirez might want invitations to the party.

Yandy Diaz is justifiably angry I didn’t even consider him for inclusion.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Jimmy Dugan

I thought about Betts and Freeman and Acuna. The other ones are great but I don’t really buy that they’re in the same tier at the plate.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Acuna is injured too much imo. He’s amazing when he’s healthy (and fantastic even when he’s not), but he’s been fully there 2 out of 7 seasons in his career. Every other year, he’s missed a decent chunk due to injury, twice has missed half a season or more. Last year also looks like an outlier save home run power and walk rate.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
alexpMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

I’ve seen this sentiment on here before and it is just not correct. He played most of his rookie year, all of his second year, then it’s the short 2020 season, then torn ACL, missed the beginning of 22 recovering and now this season. He’s had 2 major injuries yes, but only fully there 2 seasons is bending facts to make your point.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  alexp

He missed one out of every five games pre-postseason in 2020, and while the only two injuries is valid, it doesn’t change the amount and layout of the time missed. Maybe three seasons he’s been fully available. But that’s still not great.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
Jimmy DuganMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think Judge is a pretty clearcut #1 right now.

Ohtani, Soto, and Yordan (on a per plate appearance basis) are in the next tier.

And Harper slots into the tier below, with Altuve, Acuna, Freeman, Trout, Mookie, and some others knocking at the door.

This is based on a retrospective look at the last 2,3, and 4 years of data, and trying to estimate the “right now”.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jimmy Dugan
je5Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Jimmy Dugan

im going

ohtani
harper
soto
judge
altuve
seager
betts
freeman
trout
acuna

JI98Member since 2021
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think hes in the right spot. He’s older and more injury prone than either of them, and the move to 1B means he’s giving you pretty much nothing defensively. The bat and the AAV do make him more valuable regardless, but not enough to move him into a different tier.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JI98

I think I would move the other ones down rather than moving Harper up much.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  JI98

Ironically, given some of the discussion about positional adjustment here (and Ben’s comments in the article), Harper’s situation shows why there should be a hefty adjustment for first base. Harper’s bat plays absolutely anywhere and his glove helps at first too. But him being limited to first, given the way the Phillies’ roster is constructed, means they have one fewer place to hide Schwarber and Castellanos, and that means they wind up running Castellanos out in right. And that hurts them.

(OK, an easy solution to this is “don’t insist on jamming Castellanos in the lineup” and “don’t have signed Castellanos in the first place” and “definitely don’t sign both Castellanos and Schwarber,” but it’s the kind of thing that could also happen with a more adequate hitter who still shouldn’t be in an outfield corner.)

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I agree with this in general but also I’m starting to believe that the positional adjustments might be a bit hard on first basemen.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

A bit hard you say, downright ridiculous is a better assessment of the positional adjustment of a first baseman. In almost every game they are called on to make an important play, and I don’t want to hear that scooping isn’t a skill. Sharply hit batted balls also come that way quite frequently and range carries nearly the same degree of importance as any other position. I will admit to being completely turned off by defensive metrics. How does one measure what part of the complex structure that makes up the totality of defense is more important? Is it range or perhaps the arm and did I mention whether steadiness or brilliance, but prone to crucial lapses, is your cup of tea. Did you happen to see Jose Siri’s comic performance on a deep drive yesterday? Of course all this pales in comparison with any penalty whatsoever being hung on a DH who isn’t even given an opportunity to defend himself. Will someone please tell me how he hurts his team in any way when they are in the field.

Last edited 1 year ago by bosoxforlife
formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agreed, even if what I said is true it doesn’t tell us anything about the right magnitude for the adjustment.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

I prefer fWAR for position players on like 99% of things…but B-Ref are right to continuously adjust the positional adjustments based on team behavior.

Most positions are within .5 of FG’s number, put 1Bs are currently at -9.5 and Cs are at +9.

(Does my HoF spreadsheet swap in BR positional values and include a RE24-wRAA adjustment? Maybe.)

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago

The problem is not with whether there should be a positional adjustment for first. The reason is that the Phillies could have done a better job in their roster construction. This idea that anyone can play first base so therefore the defensive value of the player who mans the position is of minimal importance is foolish.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JI98

I mean…he’s on track for his best defensive season in years, even in a system that bases its defensive adjustments on 20 year old napkin math rather than on how much offense teams are willing to sacrifice for average defense on each position.

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lacslyer
1 year ago

That says more about his ability to play, or not play, the outfield since 2019. If anything it shows he probably should’ve been moved to 1b a few years ago.

mike sixelMember since 2016
1 year ago

Awesome. Love this series

JI98Member since 2021
1 year ago

I understand that they’re technically in the same tier, but man, having Gore over Houck just doesn’t sit right with me. We’re talking about a top 10 starter in the league this year vs a guy who’s never posted a sub-4 ERA. What happened to the emphasis on current-day production?

Joe Brady
1 year ago
Reply to  JI98

It doesn’t make sense to me either (RS fan). I’m not sold on Houck as a star, but he is where Gore ‘hopes’ to be. And I’d be pretty happy trading for Gore, but quite frankly, he belongs in AAA right now.

JI98Member since 2021
1 year ago
Reply to  Joe Brady

I wouldn’t go that far, but I’m having a hard time figuring out what exactly Gore has over Houck. Age? Prospect pedigree? Fastball velocity? All nice to have in a vacuum, but that hardly trumps 3+ seasons of vastly superior on-field production. They have the exact same amount of team control, so that’s not a differentiator either. Really really odd choice all around honestly.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JI98

”Ever having pitched 120 innings” might make the list.

Especially given how bad Houck was last year.

broeygallo
1 year ago

I suspect Gore’s inclusion will be divisive. At what point do you separate potential value from actual value? I don’t have an answer, but “halfway through team control” seems really close to needing to see potential manifest into sustained reality.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  broeygallo

I am guessing that Gore looked a whole lot better when Ben started this piece than when it got published. He has gotten rocked in four out of his last five starts. There’s always going to be a lot of danger putting
anyone without a long track record on a trade value list for this reason. If he had broken out last year instead of now I would feel a lot more confident in him than this.

68FCMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah 17 days ago Gore was sitting on a 3.47 ERA and a 2.99 FIP, a month ago it was 3.26 and 2.84. That probably felt like he had put it together and the potential was manifesting.

Sammy Sooser
1 year ago

Just some Francisco Lindor appreciation: he is at 50.8 career fWAR, and this season, he moved into 6th place in fWAR among shortstops 30 and under, passing Robin Yount, Alan Trammell, Honus Wagner, and Ernie Banks in the last few months. He is putting together a remarkable career.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Sammy Sooser

He’s very good and very fun.

David Klein
1 year ago
Reply to  Sammy Sooser

He’s a joy to watch and so freaking under appreciated by the fan base its like Beltran all over again in fans lack of recognition of greatness. There are real living and breathing people that think a one dimensional player like Alonso is better than Lindor those fans are embarrassing.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

It was even worse last year imo. Practically the only one pulling his weight on the team was Lindor and people were calling for him to be traded.

Astromets
1 year ago
Reply to  Sammy Sooser

I was looking at Lindor’s career during the ASB, comparing him to other shortstops to play since they lowered the pitching mound. There are a lot of ‘two-way’ shortstops who are really ‘offense-first’ players who can stick at shortstop, some feven offering a few years of above average offense. Lindor is one of the few players in history who is truly both a ‘defense-first’ shortstop and a ‘two-way’ player, offering 10-years of above-average to elite defense, while also producing offense that would be above average for any position during that time.

My argument in some bullets:
-By the end of July, Lindor will be top-15 in Defensive value among primary shortstops since 1969.
-He’s been the #1 overall defensive player in the Majors per Statcast since they started tracking in 2016, and it’s not really close (some players would be better on a rate basis).

-Among shortstops with at least 100 defensive runs saved since 1969, the only shortstops with a wRC+ greater than 100 are: John Valentin, Tony Fernandez, Barry Larkin, Lindor, Alan Trammell, and Iron Man Cal Ripken Jr.
-From that group, Lindor’s combination of offensive and defensive value through Age 30 fits between Trammell and Ripken:
–Trammell: 121.4 OFF, 134.6 DEF, 48.4 WAR
–Lindor: 143 OFF, 155 DEF, 50.8 WAR
–Ripken: 200.7 OFF, 201.3 DEF, 65.8 WAR

-Lindor plays almost every game, and even accounting for the difference in playing time Lindor lost due to COVID and injuries, his pace more than half-way through his age-30 season is below Ripken’s through age 30 (Lindor’s career extrapolated to Ripken’s playing time through age 30: 173 OFF, 188 DEF), but it’s as close as any player has come in the given time frame.

For what it’s worth, Trammell and Ripken didn’t maintain their offensive pace after age-30, but they continued to provide defensive value into their late 30’s, and neither tanked at the plate until their final season. That’s a good sign for Lindor, but it will be on him to leverage the better technology and training methods to stay at the top of his game in the second half of his career.

There are no guarantees about what will happen moving forward in this game, but Lindor has been playing at a HoF pace since he came in the league, and it’s crazy how he seems to get even less recognition than ever now that he plays in NY.

I <3 Lindor

David Klein
1 year ago
Reply to  Astromets

Great post

dodgerbleu
1 year ago
Reply to  Astromets

Ripken also had the streak working against him in his 30s. I’ve heard it argued many times, including from Ripken himself, that a few days off in his 30s would’ve done his bat wonders. Not that he was bad, as you say, but I think that’s another consideration you can put in the pro bucket.

dkdc
1 year ago

Interesting to see a some established superstars with big contracts ( Seager, Lindor, and Harper) as new entrants, despite none of them signing new contracts. They’ve all performed well in the last year, but is this more of a re-evaluation of the value of those type of players? They rarely get traded so it’s very difficult to actually verify their trade value.

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MikeSMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  dkdc

I think their trade value is artificially low (probably outside of the top 50) just because there are a bunch of teams that would never take on those contracts so there aren’t as many teams bidding. The intersection of “who wants Francisco Lindor or Corey Seager” and “who is willing to pay any player $30M/year for several years” is definitely not a circle.

Although it only takes two or three bidders to drive up the price, so I could be wrong.

Joe Brady
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeS

I agree. I just don’t think there are enough teams out there willing to pay those prices for the advancing years. It’s a modestly good contract for 3-4 years, and then probably a poor contract for 3-4 years.

sj1357Member since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Joe Brady

If Lindor hits those projections, it’s a great contract for 4 years ($174 million in value for $128 millon in cost at AAV, an average of 1.5 free wins per year). Most or all of that surplus would be “regifted” over the final three years, but for a team in a position to field a championship-caliber squad over the next several years, the value is high. How many players are there in MLB that are as good a bet as Lindor to deliver more than four wins a year over the next four years?

JimMember since 2016
1 year ago

It takes a lot of guts for you to do this, Ben.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
1 year ago

One of my favorite series of the year. To quibble is to love!

Kenneth KitchinMember since 2020
1 year ago

Gunnar Henderson #1?

garpachi
1 year ago

The Pirates homer in me says that Skenes will be #1.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  garpachi

No pitcher will ever be number one. Maybe if Skenes signed a 10 year contract for like $2m per season. Unless something dramatically changes with injury risk, it’s just basically impossible.

scotth855Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  garpachi

Skenes will definitely be up there but this is a guy with 66 IP under his belt and is averaging 99 MPH on a his fastball. If there is increased risk with pitchers due to injury, no way he doesn’t have at least average if not higher risk due to the velo.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

He’s on pace for something like a 9 win season and he’s playing on a pre-arbitration deal so he is definitely at least in the conversation for #1. Witt will be up there too, he’s having a similar year. His deal runs for longer but is more expensive. If Acuna wasn’t hurt I’d say he would be in that grouping as well.

I’m most curious to see where Skenes lands. What is the highest you can rank a pitcher in an exercise like this? That’s probably where he goes.

I think that’s the list of contenders. And Elly, because Ben loves Elly, but there’s plenty of time to fight over him and his placement so I don’t want to do that now.

JI98Member since 2021
1 year ago

Gunnar, Witt, and DLC are the pretty clear cut top 3. I’m more interested to see what happens in the rest of the top 10. Lots of moving parts compared to last year’s list.

Joe Brady
1 year ago

Going forward, you have 4 years 2 months of Gunnar, and 6 years 2 months of Skenes. And ace pitchers I think carry a premium. Nice problem to have.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Joe Brady

Decent chance that Skenes finishes top-two in ROY voting and gets to free agency a year earlier.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago

Come on. We all know it’s going to be Ke’Bryan Hayes.

OkraMember since 2016
1 year ago

Love this series. Always fun to debate. Also, happy to see the Ke’Bryan Hayes love affair has finally ended.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Okra

Yan Gomes once made this list, so you know…

scotth855Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Okra

We’ll see a young Cardinal on this list (Winn) for which that love affair has been transferred. (see Carlson, Edman, Nootbar, and Walker in previous years for other examples of this)

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  scotth855

Well, those 4 players all deserved it at the time. Now, Carlson hasn’t hit RHP since his rookie year, Edman is only a year and change away from free agency and has yet to play this year due to injury, Nootbaar has become too injury prone, and who knows what happened to Walker’s bat this year.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago

If the Braves traded Strider for any of those pitchers, I would be apoplectic. Bibee and Greene less so, but the others might cause a serious medical issue for me.

synco
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

They’re ranked higher, so Strider alone wouldn’t do it. You’d have to throw in a prospect or two!

Dan B
1 year ago
Reply to  synco

Do the Braves even have any prospects?

synco
1 year ago
Reply to  Dan B

They can trade Ozzie Albies, an honorable mention 3-4 WAR guy you have for 3/21 (with the two last of those years being team options!) for a 40 and a 35+ and put them in.

fangraphsreaderbutwokeMember since 2025
1 year ago

I wonder if Bryan Reynolds, Mitch Keller and Oneil Cruz make this list alongside Skenes and Jones. If so, definitely the first time I can recall the Pirates having so many representatives. I could see cases for Reynolds, Keller and Cruz either making it or not making it, though.

steveohuncho
1 year ago

Cruz was listed as an honorable mention in a previous article, IMO justifiably so due to his age being ‘young’ more so than ‘kid’ at this point.
Don’t think I saw Reynolds or Keller on the HM group and to me, they don’t seem like top 40 assets in all of MLB despite the affordability. Keller is much more like a playoff 3 than an ace and Reynolds is a defensive blackhole which hurts more when he’s hitting like in 2023 instead of his production this year. Still, the Pirates having so many guys on medium to long-term contracts with notably positive value is certainly exciting!

jaysfan39Member
1 year ago
Reply to  steveohuncho

The Pirates don’t really have anyone to replace him in the OF but I wonder if they should start transitioning Reynolds to first base, his OF defense has been awful for 3 years and he hasn’t turned 30 yet it is likely to only get worse from here and this year he is already one of the worst ranked OF defenders in MLB

fangraphsreaderbutwokeMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  jaysfan39

I watch a lot of games and Reynolds feels like a guy statcast is just wrong about. I know, I know. The guy makes a lot of tough plays out there though. As a fan watching the game, it doesn’t ever “feel like” his defense is costing the team.

fangraphsreaderbutwokeMember since 2025
1 year ago

Oh whoops, Cruz a HM. I’m guessing it’s just Skenes and Jones after all.

bubblesMember since 2024
1 year ago

I’m not sure what magic Cleveland has in their sleeve on pitching development, but it is working. Bibee somehow flew under my radar and I had to look at him closer. I hope the velo bump doesn’t lead to future arm problems, but he looks to be a solid #2/3 hybrid that you feel more than comfortable with taking into the playoffs.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
1 year ago

If Corey Seager were a FA this off season, what kind of contract does he get?

Does it exceed $220M for his age 31-37 years?

Same question for Lindor I guess, but $238M.

slz
1 year ago

I would bet almost certainly both get 300m+ signed through age 40 (just to spread out the cap hit if anything)

sj1357Member since 2019
1 year ago

It is a good question. I am high on both players, but $250M to $275M for Lindor and $225M to $250M for Seager feels more realistic.

dangledangleMember since 2024
1 year ago

Positional adjustments are a bit harsh and 1st base seems to lack the hitting quality it used to pack. Corner bats might be a market inefficiency. Harper appears to be an above average 1st base fielder, where before his OF defense was a flip of a coin.

felangMember since 2026
1 year ago

Find it hard to understand how a pre-arb high ceiling pitcher can have less trade value then a guy making 30 million a year with a third of those likely being moot value (Lindor). I doubt in reality that is the case.

tung_twista
1 year ago
Reply to  felang

If I were a Mets fan, I would be very unhappy if the Mets traded Lindor for any of the pitchers on today’s list (with Jones being the possible exception). Pretty good chance Lindor goes in the Hall of Fame with the Mets hat.

sugarberg
1 year ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Hell, I’d be unhappy if the Mets traded him for Harper. Those ZIPs projections make the case pretty well. Give me the younger five tool guy with the better injury history any day.

sj1357Member since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  felang

It’s known as a bird in the hand.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  felang

Probably because while the ceiling may be high the floor is unknown for a pitcher whose position has a higher injury rate. That over a proven 5+ WAR/year player in his career so far?

The Ghost of Johnny Dickshot
1 year ago

How is Harper not 80 power?

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

As Ben said, he’s obviously an 80 for game power. If he’s not 80 raw, it’s because his pure bat speed isn’t as high as a Stanton or Judge or Cruz. Or Ohtani, Yordan, Vlad Jr., Gunnar, or even Jo Adell. But he more than makes up for that by finding the pitches to drive and driving them at an uppercut.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago

Explain to me the difference between game power and raw power. If the power doesn’t show up in games, why are we even talking about it

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Raw power is how hard you can hit the ball. Something like 99th percentile EV tells you this. Game power is how hard you do hit the ball (and to a lesser extent, what is the angle they’re hitting at) when they’re facing live pitching. This can be measured with ISO or homers. Raw power is only interesting as an indicator of what is “untapped” and therefore is a lot more useful for prospect evaluation than for established major leaguers. I think Vlad Jr is great but another 40-homer season would probably be a bonus at this point rather than something a team would think they can unlock.

Jewish PacheMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Acknowledging that Harper’s raw power manages to play up even further in game, which I believe was Ben’s point… how does Bryce Harper not have 80 raw power?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Jewish Pache

Yeah, he’s got 90th percentile MaxEV in a “down” year, haha.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Okay, so saying a player has 40/80 game power is the same as saying the player has 80 raw power.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Deferring to a much more authoritative source (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-to-use-the-board-a-tutorial/):

While raw power is “How far/hard can they hit the ball?”, game power is “What is their power production like in actual games?” These two are often different for any number of reasons (often augmented by swing plane, approach, or hit tool quality).

So (as Eric explains there) how far they hit the ball in BP vs. how far they hit it in the game. When you’re thinking about a prospect, raw power is probably important because of the chance it can turn into game power. When you’re talking about an established player like Harper, obviously game power is what’s important, but talking about how his game power can exceed his raw power is important for understanding how Harper such a great power hitter without the sheer raw power of those other guys.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago

Great. So instead of having two metrics, why not just say “40/80 raw power”?

If a player is consistently exceeding their “game power”, then there is something wrong with their “raw power” metric.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Not necessarily because there are other factors at play in “game” situations than simply power for how well a ball is hit.

For example, Schwarber has a 97th percentile EV, but a 12th percentile Sweet Spot.

Harper only has a 79th percentile EV, but has an 80th percentile Sweet Spot, which compensates for his lack of power because he’s far better at having his bat where it needs to be for an optimal hit.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Raw power is batting practice.

Game power is hitting when the pitchers are trying to get you out.

FunFella13Member since 2016
1 year ago

Where’s Dylan Carlson?

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago

Why do so many young starters (Gore, Steele, Bibee, Grayson Rodriguez, Greene), have ZIPS projections that trend downward in their mid/late 20s?

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Joseph MeyerMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one
airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  Joseph Meyer

That article shows that pitchers lose 1MPH by the age of 29. The drop in WAR for the young pitchers above is coming much, much sooner than 29.

jaysfan39Member
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Pretty sure it is because any projection system for pitchers is going to have injury risk baked into the calculations and the more innings a pitcher throws the more likely the injuries become so as a pitcher ages and accumulates innings their total projected innings pitched will shrink over time which will lead to a decrease in FWAR

The GuruMember since 2026
1 year ago

Where can i find 5 year war totals for players?

Original Greaser Bob
1 year ago

So what teams are going to take on $200 million salary for over 30 players and give up their top prospects?

sj1357Member since 2019
1 year ago

For Seager/Harper/Lindor? Teams with money that have both the means and the desire to win now.

WARonEverything
1 year ago

I always enjoy this series, so thanks! and maybe somewhere along the way I missed (admit to not reading the full intro any more) the reason why you show 5 year WAR for players with less than 5 years of control and why you don’t show full contracts when they go out more than 5 years. I feel like seeing what the total contract values (row for each year with WAR and contract $) are and what the total expected WAR over the contract/team control (vs always 5 year WAR), is what I would like to see and compare when thinking about.

Brock244
1 year ago

If we’re being completely objective, how many teams would actually prefer paying 30+ aav for Harper/Seager/Linder’s decline over having a goodplayer making league min (Duran, Crochett, Houck, etc), or even a very good prospects (Caminero, Basillo, Anthony, Jobe, etc)

i don’t think the Redsox would trade Duran for the pleasure of paying one of those guys 200+ mil. Certainly no small market would. I don’t think the Tigers would trade Jobe for Lindors contract.

If that’s the case, how are those big contracts on the list? Maybe 1-2 teams would prefer having the big salary player, but I’d imagine most teams would take the cheaper player or prospect. Wouldn’t that make them (aging, big contract stars) less valuable to just about every team in the league, minus a few?

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PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Brock244

If you read the into, he pretty clearly states the value is not the average across all 30 teams, but, what they would get in a trade..even if only 4-5 teams would be interested. You don’t need 15 teams interested, just 3-4 & what would it take for the Mets to pull the triffer.

If Lindor was available, might the Dodgers throw a bunch at the Mets for him? Boston? Atlanta if they had the prospects?

Hell, I can see a world where Detroit would. Say they were 55-46/54-47 instead of 50-51. Been bad for 8-9 years, but, finally on the verge. Good young pitching, improving lineup with more coming..but, a Javier Baez sized blackhole at SS (& no in house answers above A Ball).. with Baez being the only contract over 2 years long. In that scenario they MAY trade Jobe for Lindor to push themselves over the top & think Lindor would provide a star SS for the next 3-4 year window.

PascalMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Brock244

Detroit may not be willing to trade Jobe for Lindor, but I’m pretty sure they would deal Reese Olson (HM) for him, who fit the ‘good player making league min’ criteria before getting hurt in his last start.

In general, teams place quite a bit of value in stars with established track records, and most players making league min just don’t have that. And this list is based on the value a theoretical highest bidder would pay rather than the average bid.

slz
1 year ago

I dont think a team who has Jarren Duran trades him for any of these players but I also dont think if youre a team who has Corey Seager or Francisco Lindor or even a young pitcher you would trade your guy for Jarren Duran and be super pumped about it

OliverWMember since 2018
1 year ago

Always my favorite series of the year, thanks as always Ben! Can’t wait to see the top 40 spots on the list.

E L
1 year ago

The section on Steele leaves much to be desired.

First off, he doesn’t throw a cutter… it’s a four-seam that moves very weirdly compared to everyone else’s four-seam, but also has barely any horizontal movement.

Second, his xERA is half a run lower and his WHIP .15 better this season than in ’23, so it’s hard to say he has plateaued.

Third, it’s not all that difficult to envision him improving further: he used to throw more pitches as a swingman and very weirdly became more successful as a starter mainly throwing two, but is actively experimenting with using his change and curve in certain outings. If one of those offerings breaks through, he becomes even better.

bcschroeder24Member since 2023
1 year ago

If Marte is the best player on your team, your team probably isn’t good enough”

Marte would be the best player on about 25 teams, including the team with the best record in baseball, about 4 of the 6 division leaders, and the two teams that played in the World Series last year.

dodgerbleu
1 year ago
Reply to  bcschroeder24

Yeah his Marte hate is crazy here. He says that he’s paid like a low-end all star, which isn’t true. Then the very next player, he says is paid like two mid-range starters – which is the same rate that Marte is getting. Actually, Marte a smidge under, even if that option isn’t exercised.

Then the comment about your team not being good enough? The Diamondbacks were in the WS last year, and that team was all Carroll and Marte, and Marte basically carried them to the WS.

To top it off, he contradicts himself on Marte’s defense, saying that he’s playing “excellent” defense and in his next breath saying that he’ll never offer much defensive value, which doesn’t jive with excellent defense from an up the middle player.

But for me, it was the mental gymnastics to try and paint Marte as being paid close to market rate, and then the mental gymnastics to try and paint Seager as a value considering it was the same damn rate.

Xerostomia
1 year ago
Reply to  dodgerbleu

I think hate might be a strong word, but I think the underlying premise is that people think his success is a fluke.

‘It is impossible for a 29 (last year) year old to get better defensively, he will only get worse’.

‘It is impossible that he is perhaps the best RHH player in the league’ etc.

The bottom line is that if not by the end of this year, next year for sure he will pass Gonzo and become the second best Dback position player in history, and likely in 2026, he will pass Goldschmidt as well.

Age matched, and PA/AB matched, Ketel Marte is a similar/better hitter than Marcus Semien. If Marte would stop switch hitting he quite likely can get even better than he is now. He has a 1.093 OPS against LHP and 0.763 OPS against RHP this year as a switch hitter.

chewbaccaMember since 2025
1 year ago

Great stuff, Ben. I’m afraid the Cardinals need more than any of those dudes to do anything more than barely making the offseason – which is a GREAT improvement from last year. So are we not the most improved team from last year to date, except Cleveland?

chewbaccaMember since 2025
1 year ago

The bummer is that so many teams seem to be in the market for starting pitchers:-(

chewbaccaMember since 2025
1 year ago

Be cool to add a column of positions for lazy dudes like me…

Adam SMember since 2016
1 year ago

Strong disagreement on Harper.

Maybe the potential to add a star to your lineup for 2024 playoffs and potential star in 2025 and 2026 would get some team to pull the trigger. But looking at the data you provided he’s going to get paid $133M for 12.6 over the next 5 years or 10.5M/win. That hardly seems like it has trade value. Then you still owe him $60M for next to no production.

If you think he’s going to be a 5 WAR player the next 3 years, then sure. But almost any player has huge trade value if you’re convinced they won’t decline. Lindor and Marte would be top 10 is you believed they’d repeat their 2023-24 performance in 2025-2027.