Breaking News: Strikeouts Are Bad

When I first learned about a mysterious cabal of smart nerds who were analyzing baseball, I took the words I got from them as though passed down from heaven. I read Moneyball, of course. But I also read about DIPS theory, wOBA, and whatever else I could get my hands on. I read The Book so many times I wore it out and had to buy a new copy. It felt like there were cheat codes just under the surface of the sport that someone was highlighting for me.

Many of those lessons from 15 years ago are still kicking around in my head. I’m skeptical of BABIP-driven hitters, perhaps more skeptical than I should be. I dismiss batters with anomalous platoon splits, even if there’s something about them that really does make them unique. And recently I realized that I might be misunderstanding the signaling value of strikeout rate.

Back in the early 2000s, batters who struck out more hit better. That sounds counterintuitive, because strikeouts are bad. It’s actually not that weird though. Barry Bonds struck out more than Ozzie Smith in his career, just to pick two illustrative examples. Bonds isn’t even a great example, because his batting eye was otherworldly. Alex Rodriguez struck out twice as often as Omar Vizquel.

The popular opinion was that strikeouts weren’t really a negative indicator. A strikeout was bad, sure, but it was often a hidden indicator of some positive process under the hood. No one would say that being sore is good for your health, and yet people in great shape are probably sore more often than sedentary types, what with all the exercising. Amount of time spent being sore very likely has a positive correlation with health.

Take a look at a few correlations from 2000 to 2010. These look at every batter with 300 or more plate appearances in a given year:

Various Correlations to wOBA By Year
Year Strikeouts Walks wOBACON
2000 0.054 0.568 0.899
2001 0.043 0.606 0.895
2002 0.066 0.685 0.872
2003 0.037 0.581 0.892
2004 0.026 0.646 0.851
2005 0.121 0.597 0.868
2006 0.074 0.575 0.858
2007 0.080 0.530 0.853
2008 0.081 0.514 0.837
2009 0.041 0.536 0.842
2010 0.177 0.537 0.863

Hey, more strikeouts mean more wOBA. Correlation, as you may have heard, doesn’t equal causation, and the slope was minimal (half a point of wOBA for every percentage point of strikeout rate), but it was there.

Let’s zoom that data out to every year since 2000:

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Various Correlations to wOBA By Year
Year Strikeouts Walks wOBACON
2000 0.054 0.568 0.899
2001 0.043 0.606 0.895
2002 0.066 0.685 0.872
2003 0.037 0.581 0.892
2004 0.026 0.646 0.851
2005 0.121 0.597 0.868
2006 0.074 0.575 0.858
2007 0.080 0.530 0.853
2008 0.081 0.514 0.837
2009 0.041 0.536 0.842
2010 0.177 0.537 0.863
2011 0.036 0.519 0.869
2012 -0.006 0.391 0.845
2013 0.007 0.447 0.838
2014 -0.098 0.373 0.800
2015 0.051 0.554 0.838
2016 -0.040 0.447 0.789
2017 -0.063 0.504 0.766
2018 -0.104 0.521 0.784
2019 -0.084 0.406 0.804

Wuh oh. Walks and production on contact are still correlated with positive outcomes, but higher strikeout rates are now associated with lower wOBA. That is unexpected.

Naturally, no one was ever saying that batters should strike out more to improve their outcomes. There was simply covariance (or correlation if you’re a normalizing sort) between striking out and doing good things like walking or smashing the ball. Maybe that’s the change. Did new training methods, or something else I can’t think of, somehow eliminate the link between strikeouts and positive outcomes?

K% Correlation to Positive Outcomes
Year Walks wOBACON
2000 0.278 0.427
2001 0.285 0.431
2002 0.198 0.501
2003 0.172 0.427
2004 0.147 0.498
2005 0.244 0.550
2006 0.248 0.522
2007 0.203 0.539
2008 0.283 0.558
2009 0.275 0.516
2010 0.270 0.602
2011 0.259 0.475
2012 0.256 0.478
2013 0.267 0.499
2014 0.184 0.467
2015 0.204 0.542
2016 0.204 0.534
2017 0.155 0.541
2018 0.123 0.478
2019 0.159 0.468

Nope! Those linkages are running strong, even if the correlation to walks has been a little bit wiggly of late. Again, this doesn’t say anything about causality, but it’s not hard to imagine that deeper counts lead to both more walks and more strikeouts, while swinging really, really, ridiculously hard produces more strikeouts and more damage when you do hit the ball. Neither of those fundamental relationships seems to have changed much in the last twenty years.

So what gives? I thought I’d approach the problem using an ad hoc method. I predicted each batter’s wOBA in each year using only their wOBA on contact (wOBACON if you’re hungry). From there, I took the “error,” the difference between the prediction and the batter’s actual wOBA, and compared that error term to a batter’s strikeout rate. This should, in theory, handle the covariance issue; a batter with a high strikeout rate but also high production on contact will have a higher predicted wOBA than one who strikes out less and dinks the ball more, which will get rid of that annoying cross-correlation.

When we look only at how strikeout rate contributes to this error term, we get a real relationship. Strikeout rate is strongly correlated to the gap between predicted and actual production:

K% Correlation to wOBA Error
Year Correlation wOBA Per 1% K
2000 -0.754 -.0030
2001 -0.769 -.0029
2002 -0.755 -.0029
2003 -0.762 -.0030
2004 -0.759 -.0029
2005 -0.717 -.0025
2006 -0.726 -.0027
2007 -0.728 -.0027
2008 -0.707 -.0024
2009 -0.729 -.0026
2010 -0.680 -.0023
2011 -0.761 -.0026
2012 -0.767 -.0026
2013 -0.752 -.0026
2014 -0.786 -.0028
2015 -0.739 -.0026
2016 -0.750 -.0027
2017 -0.743 -.0027
2018 -0.771 -.0029
2019 -0.775 -.0028

That correlation, and the slope, are strong and consistent over time. Once you know how well someone does when they put the ball in play, that’s not shocking. For every one point increase in strikeout rate, we’d expect to see a wOBA roughly three points lower on average (assuming contact quality stays constant).

But there’s something weird here. Look at that table again: Both the correlation and the slope are consistent over time. Adding strikeouts seems to hurt exactly as much, after accounting for loudness of contact, as it did in 2000. And yet we saw the evidence above: higher strikeout rates are now a sign of worse batters, not better.

Why is this? It’s because there’s a hidden factor we haven’t yet considered. A single point of strikeout rate might be tied to a similar decline in wOBA, but strikeout rates are far more dispersed now than they’ve ever been. It’s hardly a secret that strikeout rates have crept up over the years; non-pitchers struck out 15.9% of the time in 2000 and 22.4% of the time in 2019. That higher rate comes with wider variation:

K% Variation Over Time
Year K% StDev K% 3-Year Avg StDev
2000 15.9% 4.79%
2001 16.8% 5.08%
2002 16.3% 5.45% 5.11%
2003 15.9% 4.75% 5.10%
2004 16.3% 5.19% 5.13%
2005 16.0% 5.06% 5.00%
2006 16.3% 5.11% 5.12%
2007 16.6% 5.35% 5.17%
2008 17.0% 5.63% 5.36%
2009 17.5% 5.37% 5.45%
2010 18.0% 5.46% 5.49%
2011 18.1% 5.37% 5.40%
2012 19.2% 5.69% 5.51%
2013 19.3% 5.87% 5.64%
2014 19.9% 6.03% 5.86%
2015 19.9% 5.72% 5.87%
2016 20.6% 5.79% 5.85%
2017 21.2% 6.04% 5.85%
2018 21.7% 5.77% 5.87%
2019 22.4% 5.92% 5.91%

And that wider variation seems to be enough. It was never good to be a higher-strikeout batter; there simply wasn’t as much variation. Every batter was clumped in the middle, and production on contact was more important. But production on contact hasn’t changed much in magnitude, and it hasn’t changed at all in variance:

wOBACON Variation Over Time
Year wOBACON StDev 3-Year Avg StDev
2000 .383 0.061
2001 .371 .060
2002 .367 .057 .059
2003 .369 .053 .057
2004 .374 .052 .054
2005 .366 .051 .052
2006 .376 .052 .052
2007 .376 .055 .053
2008 .375 .053 .053
2009 .376 .052 .053
2010 .374 .057 .054
2011 .365 .052 .054
2012 .372 .055 .055
2013 .368 .055 .054
2014 .369 .052 .054
2015 .370 .055 .054
2016 .380 .050 .053
2017 .388 .055 .053
2018 .379 .052 .052
2019 .390 .056 .054

So now normal dispersion in strikeout rate is bigger, which means that a batter one standard deviation below the mean and a batter one standard deviation above the mean are much further apart in strikeout rate. It’s easier, in this day and age, to strike out enough that you just aren’t playable. Variance is wider, which means more players fit that bill. And correlation is a simple thing; it more or less looks at the data points and draws a line. A handful of batters striking out so much they torpedo their stats could flip the observed correlation of strikeout rate and wOBA, and now there’s an intuitive result where once there was a confusing one.

I’d like to point out, at this point, that this whole article has arguably been nonsense. There’s no real meaning in these relationships; as we saw, adding strikeouts is as costly as it ever was, and racking up value when you put the ball in play is still king. In fact, it’s always possible that I interpreted these correlations incorrectly; I’m no mathematician, and I’m merely spitballing based on my intuition of how these relationships have changed. The magnitude of everything is tiny, and there’s nothing causal. It’s just fun with numbers.

But the baseball season hasn’t started yet, and in an increasingly grim world, we could all use a little frivolous data entertainment. If, like me, you enjoy a little mathematical tomfoolery, I hope this fits the bill. Strikeouts have always been bad! They just show up that way now, even if you don’t take the time to control for other things.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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ballskwokMember since 2018
6 years ago

I’m not sure if this is part of what you are finding or not, but I’ve been speculating that in the juiced ball era (which goes back to what, 2015?), there should be greater value in making contact as opposed to striking out. People have usually framed this as “if you strike out, the defense can’t make an error or a ball can’t find a hole or you can’t move a runner over.” But the last few years it’s more like “you can’t make a routine fly ball leave the yard.”

Cave Dameron
6 years ago
Reply to  ballskwok

You also can’t hit into a double play if you strike out.

ballskwokMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

This is true and a counterpoint I make often. But I think the juiced ball might tip the scales a bit in terms of potential reward for making more contact.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

The reason why Ks are bad is not that they don’t move runners but that they are outs. A K isn’t worse than a groundout (or only marginally so) but the PA that became a K could also have become a single or a homer.

So you have to compare a K to the entire batted ball spectrum and not just outs.

Of course a high K hitter can still be good with great walk rates and power (adam dunn) but given the same bb and iso lower Ks is better. K rate is basically the difference between adam dunn and mike trout (and defense:)) as their iso and walk rate are rather similar in their primes.

But of course this doesn’t exist in a vacuum and sometimes higher K guys have more pop.

IraMember since 2019
6 years ago

I love this site, but this is a pretty tone deaf headline given current events.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Ira

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rosen380
6 years ago
Reply to  Ira

there are five articles on the front-page about COVID-19 and it’s baseball impact… how many would you like there to be?

AnonMember since 2025
6 years ago

I’m probably just going to display my misunderstanding of correlation but isn’t a correlation of 0.100 or less indicative of very little correlation? So the statement that more K’s means higher wOBA is wrong? I mean technically it’s true that more K’s did mean more wOBA back 15 years ago and the correlation has turned negative recently which has flipped it, but the numbers have been very, very , very weak throughout.

fjtorres
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

These are global takes, right?
Across all of MLB.
How about working by buckets? (Cause it would make a difference if the increased strikeouts are uniform across the board or concentrated among the high strikeout players.)
‘Cause to my amateur ears this screams “tipping point” .
Anecdotally we know being too passive at the plate is a negative, just as being too free a swinger. The extremes are where trouble lies because tbey signal the pitcher is in control.
How often do we hear about “controlled aggression”?
Wouldn’t finding tbe tipping point(s) if they exist and how they might vary by time correlate with the changing balance between pitching and hitting?

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Perhaps taking a look at those groups one dev above/below the mean to see what weird extremes they have…?

MikeSMember since 2020
6 years ago

I’ve always wondered how it could be that strikeouts are a great indicator of how good a pitcher is but are not a good indicator of how good or bad a hitter is. Obviously the extreme high end for hitters was always bad and there are some players who are able to buck statistical trends but with pitchers you hear “look at that K%!” and with hitters the feeling seemed to generally be “it’s just an out, like any other.” It seemed to me that it had to be a zero sum game – if it was good for pitchers to strike out hitters then it had to be bad for hitters to strike out.

This article actually helps to explain a lot about that. Thanks.

ballskwokMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

I don’t think anyone would say a strikeout was an indicator of a good hitter, even if some guys who struck out more often were more productive. A strikeout isn’t necessarily worse than any other out. But making outs is definitely always bad for hitters. What you want is hitters who make fewer outs, and when they don’t make an out they produce as much value with their at bats as possible. I think this article is just showing that if you strike out at too high of a rate, you are giving away too many opportunities for value. And as strikeouts rise in general, striking out becomes less of a positive indicator of someone who is willing to trade some contact for more power.

acemanMember since 2019
6 years ago

I think it just comes down to the player/situation
Player slashing 290/380/500 strikes out he’s got a better chance of canceling out that K with other production whereas someone slashing 245/305/430 isn’t as likely ,meaning it’s probably better they just put the ball in play and see what happens. If that makes any sense

averagejoe15Member since 2024
6 years ago

I think the variance aspect is the critical piece and can at least be partially explained by the idea that teams appear more willing to give opportunities to players who show bad contact skills in the minors with the hope that they Joey Gallo their way to enough production on contact (Joey Gallo is an extreme example of a player who is much more than just passable at his high K-rate).
Also teams may be giving a longer leash than they previously would have to guys like Odor who have performed in the past but are K’ing too much, without possessing other skills to compensate.
Maybe throw in the have or have nots attitude in MLB and bad teams giving run to high K-rate guys as well.

Basically I think teams have been testing the boundaries of K-rate and production and have finally gotten to the point where players who K too much without possessing sufficient other skills to compensate have finally gotten enough play time to push the relationship into the negative.

baubo
6 years ago

I know the banging scheme makes any kind of Astros analysis a bit suspect at this point until we have better knowledge of when the cheating stopped, but it was interesting that the Astros once had a very high strikeout lineup and then went a full 180 and became more K averse than any other team. This isnt just a cheating thing. They made conscious effort to find hitters who make contact like Gurriel, Redick, Brantley, etc.

And it’s not like they dont suffer from things people say are negative effects of more balls in play. They are always at the bottom of GIDP numbers for instance. And their babip is mediocre. Overall they just seem to hate strikeouts in an era when people are generally neutral on it

tbwhite67Member since 2020
6 years ago

I blame Chris Davis.

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  tbwhite67

Yes but Pedro Alvarez and Chris Carter were around in 2010.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago

Ks are definitely bad but it depends what the trade off is. Strictly speaking a k has almost the same linear weight value as a BB (which is why k-bb% works so well) but BB rate is correlated more to sucess than Ks because BBs tend to coicide w power (pitchers avoid zone) and Ks not really or even negatively.

In theory only K-BB% matters and 15/5% is the same as 25/15 but the latter will often have more power.

If you normalize for power then basically it is strict K-bb (and a bit of babip:)), I tried to do that in this article here and k-bb-iso (or better BB+iso-K) correlated very well with wRC+
https://community.fangraphs.com/introducing-k-bb-iso/

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago

I think one reason is the league is now closer together in power, there are very few sub 10 homer guys who play more than 400 PAs while 6 homer middle infielders were common 20 years ago.

Also the top guys didn’t really improve power increasing that effect i.e we have more 20 to 30 hr guys than 15 years ago but not more 45+ guys.

This means power is simply less of a separator and the negative effect of Ks comes through more.

Number of players w x homers w 400+ PAs

2019:
45+ 5
30+ 57!
20+120
<10 19

1999:
45+ 6
30+ 44
20+ 102
<10 45

So there is much less separation in power and less ability to compensate for Ks.