By George, They’ve Done It

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The Toronto Blue Jays are headed to their first World Series since 1993 after defeating the Seattle Mariners 4-3 in a tense seventh game, thanks largely to yet another seismic postseason moment forged by the bat of George Springer. Three nights after he was laying in a heap at home plate, having been kneecapped by an errant mid-90s fastball, Springer added to his already legendary postseason résumé with a three-run home run against, ironically, another fastball tailing in the direction of his knees. The blast was a microcosm not only of Springer’s season (by wRC+ he posted the lone below-average offensive season of his career in 2024, and then set a career-best in 2025) but also of Toronto’s as a group, as the Jays led the majors in comeback wins during the year.

Julio Rodríguez cut the ribbon on Game 7 with a leadoff double, and came around to score a few batters later when Josh Naylor ripped a single just beyond the outstretched glove of a diving Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Thereafter, Seattle’s first-inning rally was stemmed by one of the weirder double plays you’ll ever see, as Naylor did a 180 leap into Ernie Clement’s throw to first base and, after discussion, the umpires decided to rule both runners out, Naylor on the force and batter Jorge Polanco via Naylor’s interference.

Toronto responded with a run of its own in the bottom of the first. A Springer leadoff walk and a Guerrero single (it was fortunate for the Mariners that Guerrero’s 110-mph hit was only a base hit) set the table for an eventual Daulton Varsho RBI knock, but after that, Seattle controlled most of the game.

The Mariners threatened again in the second inning. Back-to-back singles by Randy Arozarena and Eugenio Suárez (another fat one down the middle that only yielded a base hit) and a well-placed sac bunt by J.P. Crawford set up Seattle for more, but its eight- and nine-hole hitters (Leo Rivas and Victor Robles) couldn’t complete their part of the manufacturing process.

The gap between the quality of each team’s bottom three hitters was meaningfully evident throughout this series. Crawford had his best individual performance of the postseason in this decisive game, with a well-executed bunt, an oppo double, a 109-mph groundout in the sixth, and an acrobatic play to turn a double play on his own.

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But in seven games, Crawford, Rivas, Robles and Dominic Canzone (who essentially platooned with Robles) combined for just seven hits, while the bottom third of Toronto’s order (in Game 7, that was Addison Barger, Andrés Giménez, and Isiah Kiner-Falefa) managed 17, including seven for extra bases.

Rodríguez and AL MVP candidate Cal Raleigh launched leadoff homers in the third and fifth innings, respectively, which gave Seattle a two-run lead that felt fairly comfortable as starter George Kirby (who pitched four one-run innings) gave way to Bryan Woo in the fifth. After initially struggling to find the zone, Woo looked healthy and effective working against the top of the Toronto lineup across the fifth and sixth innings, including an epic nine-pitch, fastball-heavy battle with Guerrero, which Woo punctuated with a strikeout on a sweeper well off the plate away.

Then came the seventh inning. Woo had thrown 28 pitches when the inning began. A leadoff walk to Barger and a Kiner-Falefa single put two runners on to start the frame, and Giménez bunted them over for the top of the order. Mariners manager Dan Wilson then decided to replace Woo with middle reliever Eduard Bazardo, rather than one of Seattle’s more seasoned high-leverage arms. Springer tore the roof off the place:

The Blue Jays didn’t have all that many juicy opportunities to score for most of the game. They had taken just three combined plate appearances with runners in scoring position when Springer batted in the seventh. Two of those were way back in the first inning, and one was the Giménez sac bunt preceding Springer’s bomb. Moments of tension before Springer’s at-bat were fleeting, several Blue Jays torched balls in play throughout the game, but most of them were right at Mariners fielders. As soon as Toronto was able to sustain a real threat to Seattle’s two-run lead, Springer capitalized as he’s done time and time again throughout his career in the playoffs. He’s now tied with Kyle Schwarber for third all time with 23 postseason home runs, and he joins Joe Carter and José Bautista as an author of the most important single moments in the history of the Blue Jays franchise.

The aftershocks of Springer’s homer shook awake discontent with Wilson’s bullpen management. As the bottom third of the Toronto lineup teed things up for the team’s best hitters, it was only Bazardo warming in the Mariners bullpen and not their closer, Andrés Muñoz. Muñoz had been unhittable this postseason, quite literally; he entered Game 7 without having allowed a hit or run in 7 1/3 October innings. Unlike fellow late-inning arm, Matt Brash (who threw 21 pitches in Game 6), Muñoz was also fresh, having pitched just total two innings in the first six ALCS games. There was no guarantee that the top of the lineup would come up again in the eighth or ninth innings for Muñoz to face later. On the fringe of last year’s Mariners roster, Bazardo’s late-2025 performances clearly elevated him into a different, more important role within the Seattle bullpen, but he certainly isn’t Muñoz, who at his best looks like a force of nature.

After the game, Wilson told reporters he went with Bazardo in this spot because, “Bazardo has been handling those pivot-type moments all season.” To refer to this situation — the seventh inning of ALCS Game 7 with the tying run in scoring position and one of the most decorated postseason hitters, ever, at the plate — as a “pivot-type situation” is underselling its stakes. And that’s before considering the context of the team he was managing — the Mariners were just eight outs away from their first World Series appearance in the 49-year history of the franchise. It’s also not intellectually consistent to point to something like role familiarity as a means of justification when you had literally just taken the ball from your best regular-season starter, who had not pitched out of the bullpen since college but was suddenly asked to do so twice in this series.

While Wilson’s questionable decision creates a singular moment at which one might direct their ire, it’s hardly the sole reason the Mariners lost the series. For one, the Blue Jays are a worthy AL champion from a talent standpoint, and they played particularly well throughout the ALCS. They slashed a combined .271/.345/.475 and hit 11 home runs in seven games off a good Seattle pitching staff. Though several of the Mariners stars hit well throughout the series (namely Raleigh, Rodríguez, Suárez, and Naylor), the lineup squandered several key opportunities, including the three consecutive innings in Game 6 that ended in double plays.

Toronto reaches its first World Series since winning back-to-back titles in 1992-93 under Cito Gaston, the second of which concluded with Carter’s walk-off three-run homer. Thursday marks the 32nd anniversary of that iconic blast. The next night, against a Dodgers team that is seeking back-to-back titles of its own, the Blue Jays will host Game 1 of the World Series, having gotten there on a signature three-run shot for a new generation of Toronto fans.





Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.

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Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
9 months ago

There really isn’t any reason not to use Muñoz for the most important AB in the season.

ChrisMember since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Reminds me of the Orioles losing a WC game without using Britton years ago. Not using Munoz in the highest leverage moment of the game (and playoff and probably franchise history) against the top of the order was insane.

PC1970Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

That was one of those moves where as soon as you saw Bazardo coming out, it was like “Why wouldn’t you use Minoz here? This feels like it’s going to backfire”

& sure enough it did in the worst way possible.

Jason BMember since 2017
9 months ago
Reply to  PC1970

& sure enough it did in the worst best way possible.

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Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
9 months ago
Reply to  PC1970

I think the announcer for toronto radio said that word for word during the game….

Peter BonneyMember since 2023
9 months ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

BuT tHeN wHo WiLl CoMe In FoR tHe SaVe?????

jaysfan39Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

As a Jays fan going into last night’s game one of my biggest concerns was how rested Munoz was so I was expecting him to be a major factor in the game.

Getting to within 8 outs and having the lead without Munoz coming into the game until the lead was gone is a terrible use of the best BP arm available in this series.

Jason ScottMember since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I was “ok” with it – or at least giving Wilson some slack – until he brought out Munoz in the 8th. Proverbial horse and barn door situation. Jays played well – good luck in the series.

raregokusMember since 2022
9 months ago

It’ll justifiably be forgotten amid everything else, but Naylor’s 180 leap to break up the double play was equal parts utterly majestic and hilariously stupid. It would’ve been the best idea ever if it weren’t the worst.

tarvisMember since 2019
9 months ago
Reply to  raregokus

The “WTF why not?” shrug he gave after the conference of umpires deemed it interference suggests he agreed with you, ha.

jaysfan39Member
9 months ago
Reply to  raregokus

I couldn’t believe how many Mariners fans were arguing last night that the interference call was a bad call.

I know fandom can lead to some bias but that was a very easy call

ichiro262Member since 2024
8 months ago
Reply to  jaysfan39

I think this is a case of “if an opinion would annoy you, the internet gods will flood your feed with people who have that opinion”.

I haven’t heard of any Mariners fans who thought that was a bad call.

ChrisMember since 2024
9 months ago

It was hard to watch this series and not wonder what things would have looked like with a bit more commitment from Seattle ownership. Very talented team, but it felt incomplete – Rivas and Robles/Canzone were black holes all series and really had no business on a CS roster. The bench provided nothing either. And this lack of depth made all the difference in a 7-game series that ended in a 1-run game 7.

PC1970Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  Chris

Canzone ran a 141wRC+ this year. Granted, he’s a platoon guy(strong side), but, I have a hard time blaming Seattle that he went into a massive slump during the postseason.

Robles turning back into a pumpkin this year was unfortunate & yeah, they probably should have eaten his salary & improved at the deadline, all they needed was a short-side platoon for Canzone.

As for Rivas- I’m sure the thought was Cole Young was going to be the guy, when he turned out to not be ready, they had to look for replacements. Should they been more aggressive at the deadline? Yeah, probably, somehow found a short-term solution. Rivas is a AAAA type guy.

Also, didn’t help that Raley fell apart this year.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 months ago
Reply to  PC1970

Raley is a bit redundant with Naylor at 1B and Canzone in an outfield corner and Polanco DHing. They aren’t going to bench Arozarena for Raley.

Guys like Canzone and Raley aren’t really consistent enough to count on but they are nice when they come through. Something tells me Raley isn’t going to get tendered this offseason because he will cost real money in arbitration and Canzone won’t. But it’s totally believable that he and Canzone are the same guy.

Naylor should probably be the priority either way.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 months ago
Reply to  Chris

For the first time I don’t think they had too many holes, thanks to the acquisitions of Naylor and Suarez and Polanco suddenly hitting after a couple years of mostly being hurt. It obviously would have been better if they had solved second base in the offseason or the deadline but the options were very slim. Outfield corner would have made more sense but Raley is usually pretty good against right handed pitching, I understand why they didn’t try to upgrade that spot in the offseason.

tarvisMember since 2019
9 months ago
Reply to  Chris

I just cannot agree with this sentiment. Seattle went out and snagged two of the most outstanding players available at the deadline (Naylor and Suarez) … who both were incredibly valuable this postseason (errors and “inspired axels” not withstanding. As commenters note below, Canzone was anything but a black hole this season and EVERY team has players who are replacement level (or worse) including Toronto.

I think there are reasons to be unhappy if you are a Seattle fan this morning (the “gut” of Wilson bringing in Bazardo compared to Munoz, for example) but grumbling about ownership not doing enough THIS season … just is off.

We should all want owners who smell a playoff spot midsummer to go out and grab as many players as they can! Come on!

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
9 months ago
Reply to  tarvis

I don’t think the trade deadline specifically was the concern here — to me at least the viable argument is more like: the roster had such significant holes that even a fairly inspired all-in trade deadline wasn’t able to patch them all. The Mariners definitely suffered from a short bench and some nearly automatic outs at the bottom of the lineup. Robles in particular was hard to watch.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 months ago

I do have some questions about Robles getting 16 PAs when as far as I can tell every Blue Jays starter is right handed and the Blue Jays only had a left handed pitcher for about four innings in the ALCS.

There is really no reason for Jorge Polanco to be playing the field at this point.

But I find it hard to second-guess them for not upgrading their right-handed corner outfield platoon guy, or for not upgrading second base. The first one shouldn’t have even been playing in this series except as a defensive replacement. For the second one, the most viable options were Josh Rojas and Luis Urias, both of whom the Mariners let walk and were pretty bad (Leo Rivas outplayed both of them pretty decisively).

PC1970Member since 2024
9 months ago

While true, remember Robles was great in 2024 (in a limited sample size, to be sure)..to the point where they gave him a 2 year contract.

Raley had 2 straight years with a 129wRC+ & was over 3 wins/600 PA both years.

Cole Young was a Top 50 prospect.

The fact all 3 of those guys busted is why the bottom of the lineup was so bad..that & Canzone (who basically replaced Raley) having a bad series.

I’m not sure how Seattle was supposed to know that in the offseason.

Maybe they could have added a little more at the deadline when the 3 items above were known, but, you could just have easily argued that Robles would be back (he was hurt from April til mid-August) & that Young would improve with time & that would ALSO solve the issue.

ichiro262Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  PC1970

I think Seattle’s biggest offseason mistake was allowing 1B and 3B to be gaping holes. And they fixed both at the deadline.

The miserable performance of the bottom part of the order in the postseason wasn’t in line with how they played in the regular season (other than the short side RF platoon in Robles). In the regular season, this was the best bottom of the order I’ve seen from the Mariners in two decades.

It just came down to underperformance.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 months ago
Reply to  ichiro262

I keep trying to think of what they could have done better that would specifically help them in this series and would have seemed plausible moves at the time. And the only things I can think of are things that might not have been available to them–like trading for Jake Cronenworth to play 2B, or topping the deal for Willy Adames and moving Crawford to second base. This is all with the benefit of hindsight too, and the Polanco signing worked out great for them.

cashgod27Member since 2024
9 months ago

The Mariners just needed to win 2 out of 5 games, with 3 of them being at home. They couldn’t do it.

The Mariners just needed to win 1 out of 2 games after an absolutely euphoric thriller of a win. They couldn’t do it.

The Mariners just needed to get nine more outs with a two-run lead. They couldn’t do it.

The future is still bright, and they’ll have plenty of chances yet. But it’s hard to get much closer than they did, and they still couldn’t do it. If not now, when?

Anon21Member since 2018
9 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

Honestly, when you least expect it. Baseball is random and the postseason is not a very accurate method of ranking good teams!

angtughpak46Member since 2025
8 months ago
Reply to  Anon21

Baseball is a harsh mistress.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

This was a successful season for the Mariners by most standards but it really feels like a huge missed opportunity. Taking two games on the road in the ALCS puts you in a spot you almost never get to.

I think they could challenge again if they bring back Naylor, find a DH, and turn Cole Young and Colt Emerson turn into a solid if unspectacular regulars, but they’ll have to go through 162 games, and at least one round of the playoffs to get back to the same place.

cashgod27Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Apparently this was the first time a team ever won the first two games of the LCS on the road and lost the series. Brutal.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

This isn’t the biggest collapse / comeback in playoff history (hello 2004 Yankees!) but it’s definitely noteworthy.

Last edited 9 months ago by sadtrombone
Dave TMember since 2025
9 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

It happened back-to-back years in the World Series, specifically 1985 and 1986.

The respective Game 6’s of those World Series featured two infamous late game moments: the Don Denkinger call in 1985, and the Buckner error in 1986.

Last edited 9 months ago by Dave T
bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

IIRC, 39 years ago a team won the first two games of the World Series on the road only to lose in seven. Can it really be 39 years, I remember Stanley’s wild pitch and the ensuing play as vividly as if it happened yesterday?

Thebdore
9 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

The Mariners are the Mets of the AL

David Klein
9 months ago
Reply to  Thebdore

The Mets have two championship not that it’s impressive, and as crappy as the Mets history is they’ve never gone 21 years between playoff appearances.

ichiro262Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

Haha I don’t see anything similar between these two teams other than that they first start with “M”. Look at payroll, regular season history, postseason history… Not sure what’s supposed to be similar.

Thebdore
9 months ago
Reply to  ichiro262

Just in the sense that you feel like they’re always going to fumble things while they’re ahead.

King CMLMember since 2025
9 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

How can the future possibly be bright if the manager is a complete moron?

No Pe
9 months ago

Despite being an Astros fan, so happy for the Blue Jays and Springer. Cannot help liking these particular Blue Jays, Mariners, and Phillies teams — they all have fun vibes in different ways – and glad one of them made it to WS. For the Mariners, when you lose a series like this despite getting strong performances from your biggest stars, one can’t help but think the team needs stronger role players…

ichiro262Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  No Pe

What sucks is that our role players (or at least our 7-9 hitters) hit better than the Jays’ 7-9 in the regular season. Crawford-Canzone-Rivas should be hugely better than Barger-IKF-Gimenez. They just didn’t perform that way when it mattered most.

King CMLMember since 2025
9 months ago
Reply to  No Pe

Keep banging that trash can, you smarmy moron

Last edited 9 months ago by King CML
booondMember since 2019
9 months ago

Was there justification for pulling Kirby or was Woo penciled in to start the fifth no matter what was going on?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
9 months ago
Reply to  booond

It seemed like the usual 3rd time through the order reasoning. For some reason teams think that’s more important than letting middle relievers face the same hitters over and over

fanofthemanMember since 2020
9 months ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

At least this time they had a plan, hand the ball to Woo, rather than just middle relievers

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 months ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The Blue Jays had already seen Kirby very recently. His stuff was well-known to all their hitters and it might as well have been a first time penalty. He appeared to be going well and there was no reason to pull him after 65 pitches. It makes sense to leave him in to face hitters until a couple get on base. The fewer middle relievers that a team uses the better.

tarvisMember since 2019
9 months ago
Reply to  booond

I was surprised when Wilson pulled Kirby too, as he was absolutely dealing and seemingly in control at this point, but Woo was fine so it becomes harder to criticize this move than the glaring Bazardo not-Munoz move later in the game.

I suppose if Kirby lasted an inning or two longer and then it was Woo out of the pen, not Bazardo? But that just feels like a lot of butterflies.

In the end, Woo was fine. I still can’t figure the Bazardo move, though.

ichiro262Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  tarvis

I thought pulling Kirby was the right move. He’d been looking good, but he’s so prone to leaving fastballs over the heart of the plate. IMO Kirby hasn’t shown ace stuff all year and so I wouldn’t wait until he’s lost his stuff to pull him, because that might be too late.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 months ago
Reply to  ichiro262

Two baserunners is the absolute maximum but I thought it was a better option unless Wilson planned on Woo going three which I doubt given that he was just returning from injury.

Dave TMember since 2025
9 months ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Woo did come out for a 3rd inning – the 7th – so 3 innings was presumably Wilson’s plan when Woo came into the game, if Woo pitched well.

Only wanting to bring in Woo for the start of an inning was almost certainly a factor in Wilson’s decision.

If Kirby had gotten into a jam in the 5th – with Gimenez followed by the top of the order due up for the Blue Jays – then it’s going to be a middle reliever, not Woo, coming into the game in the middle of that inning.

So I can’t criticize Wilson for the Kirby/Woo decision-making.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 months ago
Reply to  tarvis

As I said above, one more inning from Kirby, then two from Woo gets the Mariners to Munoz for a six out save opportunity and we never see a middle reliever so Wilson avoids being tarred and feathered

ichiro262Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I mostly disagree with the characterization that Kirby was looking that good. He was getting outs and that’s awesome. But he also was hanging balls right over the middle of the plate (including his last pitch to IKF in the fourth) and had a ball hit over 102 in every inning.

I think Kirby did great, but he wasn’t looking great. And given how many times Springer and Guerrero (and frankly everyone else) clobbered Kirby, I didn’t think it was worth continuing to role the dice that those heart-of-the-plate hard hit balls would continue to find a glove.

Last edited 9 months ago by ichiro262
Dave TMember since 2025
9 months ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Eh, Wilson would also be tarred and feathered in hindsight if Kirby had stayed in for the 5th inning and things had gone poorly.

I don’t think either Kirby or Woo for the 5th was a clear-cut bad decision, but ichiro262 covers well the rationale for not counting on Kirby to get into 3rd time through the order in the 5th inning.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
9 months ago

Just ugh. UGH.

I said it before the postseason, if the Yanks got eliminated, all I wanted was a Mariners-Brewers WS so we could guarantee a first time winner. So, of course, it’s Blue Jays-Dodgers.

Fire Dan Wilson into the sun. That might be one of the single worst managerial decisions in modern baseball history. Newsflash: you can’t have your closer save a lead that doesn’t exist anymore.

Rollie's MustacheMember since 2017
9 months ago

It’s not going to make you feel any better, but Jays fans were apoplectic after John Schneider used Brandon Little in Game with a 1-run lead against the top of Seattle’s lineup instead of better relievers. Cal predictably went yard and Jays fans wanted the manager fired on the spot even before Geno’s grand slam.

I don’t know what my point is other than you’re right, and I’m sorry the season had to end in large part due to such a controversial decision. Sometimes managers make the wrong call. It sucks when the stakes are so high.

Last edited 9 months ago by Rollie's Mustache
Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
8 months ago

Pre-game, Seattle’s radio broadcasters said that the Mariners plan was to get to the 8th with a lead to use Munoz to close it out….I’m not sure why he could only go 6 outs….they didn’t say.

He did get hit hard when he came in, but that was after the gigantic letdown of Springer’s HR.

It’s hard to say what would have happened – no one knows – but I think with the hitters coming up and the go-ahead run at the plate, that was the high leverage moment for Munoz. He would’ve needed to get 8 outs not 6.

Maybe he would’ve failed, but I think Wilson should have had Munoz, at minimum, warming up at the start of the 7th…..just in case.

We can could have, should have, would have this all off-season. If it drives you crazy, buy a baseball board game and re-create the moment 10,000 times…

I’m happy Toronto made it, but very gutted for Seattle’s fans, still awaiting that unforgettable moment when your team makes it to the World Series.

Like Keith Jackson used to say, “it’s a shame one of these two teams has to lose this game.”

Good luck to the Blue Jays! It’s the classic David vs. Goliath match-up. I hope it goes at least 6 games.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
9 months ago

Also, on the Naylor play, it was incredibly stupid by Naylor as there was a decent chance it might have hit him if he just continues running straight — it looks like it might have grazed his shoulder in that case.

Nice shoes, though.

Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
8 months ago

On that play, the runner needs to slide or get out of the way.

Matt K
9 months ago

Dan Wilson’s explanation is almost as embarrassing as his field management decisions. He is flat out saying “I used Bazardo in the 7th because I wanted Bazardo to get the hold and Munoz to get the save”.

It’s absolutely insane that I had to wait 25 years for the Mariners to get back to the ALCS only for them to blow it because they hired a manager who is laser focused on bullpen roles and can’t comprehend really basic game theory. And it’s not like they can Grady Little him because of the franchise’s obsession with 95-01 nostalgia.

Not good times today for Mariners fans. Congratulations Toronto.

booondMember since 2019
9 months ago
Reply to  Matt K

Johnny Mac wanted Bill Buckner on the field for the celebration.

crackbaldoMember since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  Matt K

When I saw the call to the pen, I was sure Munoz was coming in. That’s literally the only move. Well, I guess not literally, because that’s not what Wilson did. It’s so rare that a manager makes a decision so consequential and so obviously incorrect.

David Klein
9 months ago

So Ohtani is finally on a plane to Toronto so Jon Morosi is finally vindicated! But seriously it is ridiculous how many great postseason moments Springer has had in his career. He looked done the previous couple of years but he was a monster this year actually having his best year of his career. Everyone mentioned Wilson not bringing in Munoz but how bout getting two runners on to start an inning off and having Crawford sac bunt? So stupid and they didn’t score in that inning.

jaysfan39Member
9 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

Sac bunting with runners on 1st and 2nd to get to your 8 and 9 hitters always seems like letting a struggling pitcher off the hook to me

rho180
9 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

At the time, I assumed this was directly related to being gun shy about the possibility of another rally-killing double play ball (and no, I’m not suggesting that’s a good reason for it, just a reason).

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

The two “strategic?” moves that I have a tough, tough time with are yanking a starter prematurely and the sacrifice bunt by anybody with a batting average above .000 and Wilson managed to pull them both off last night. Of course Schneider called for a sacrifice as well. in a crucial situation, but Springer didn’t need any help scoring the runners.

hudsukkaMember since 2024
9 months ago

For me the second Woo threw his first pitch of that 7th inning it was obvious he shouldn’t have gone back out there.

Bazardo (or Munoz)’s first batter should have been Barger or at worst Kiner-Falefa, not Springer.

david hMember since 2025
9 months ago
Reply to  hudsukka

Yes. I thought after Woo got through the 5th and 6th, they should’ve gone to Speier for the 7 through 9 spots in the order, with two lefties. Sure, Toronto probably would have pinch hit for Barger, but Speier was good against righties this year, too, and I don’t think the could pinch for Giminez at SS in the 9 spot. Then have a righty ready if they turn the lineup over to Springer.

jason shureMember since 2017
9 months ago
Reply to  hudsukka

I also noted how badly he missed on that and had the same reaction. But then he got to 0-2 on IKF before giving up a single that easily could have been a double play. If that had broken a little differently we might have different hindsight

Peter BonneyMember since 2023
9 months ago

I don’t know what questions teams actually ask during manager interviews, but if I was a GM, one of the most important would be “your team has a slim lead in the 7th inning of game 7 of a playoff series; the winning run is at the plate with {zero or 1} out; it’s the top of the order; who are you bringing in from the bullpen?”

And if the answer was anything other than “my best available arm”, but I really liked everything else about them, then FFS I would hire someone to sit in the dugout and advise them on how to manage and use the bullpen in-game!

Football teams do this for clock management. It’s well past time that baseball teams think about doing it for bullpen management.

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kleborpMember since 2025
9 months ago
Reply to  Peter Bonney

that’s the pitching coaches job. john schneider and pete walker are in heavy consultation whenever the bullpen starts getting active

Peter BonneyMember since 2023
9 months ago
Reply to  kleborp

Yeah but OTOH the pitching coaches are primarily there to coach the pitchers.

I’m not in baseball, so maybe I’m an idiot, but it seems to me that coaching players to perform at their best is a different and separate skill from managing in-game decisions.

Rollie's MustacheMember since 2017
9 months ago
Reply to  kleborp

It was fun to watch the bullpen game the Jays ran out against the Yankees in the DS and see Schneider and Walker attached at the hip for 9 innings. A constant back-and-forth of observations and thoughts. Some alignment, maybe some disagreements, who knows. But what I would give to be a fly on the wall there hearing two baseball lifers talk shop in an incredibly meaningful game. Baseball is so damn cool.

ichiro262Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  Peter Bonney

I think this is a great take. Not to let Dan off the hook, but he should have had someone else in the dugout fighting him on that decision.

AlexTheGreat
9 months ago

Munoz wasn’t any good when he came in anyways. He got hit hard and got a lucky double play.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
9 months ago

Dan Wilson gave perhaps the worst managerial performance I’ve ever seen. It wasn’t just the Bazardo decision.

Kirby started the game by getting shelled. That first inning felt inches away from the Jays putting up 5 runs, and the second wasn’t much better. It’s game 7. All hands on deck. After the second inning, go to Woo for the 3rd.

He didn’t. That’s fine. And you know what? It worked. Kirby actually settled in and improved in the 3rd and 4th, and removing him for the 5th despite that to avoid the third time through was perfectly reasonable. But the lack of urgency to have anyone up and ready to go, even in the first inning, portended bad things to come, and they did.

I have no idea what the plan was for Woo in this series, and particularly in this game. Is he taking an Andrew Miller/Josh Hader role, coming in for two key innings? Then great, pull him to start the 7th. At least pull him after walking IKF on five pitches. Or is he supposed to be Madison Bumgarner, the True Starter and Hero all along, meant to finish the game? Then trust him in the 7th. Walk Springer and pitch to Lukes, fishing for weak contact against Woo’s sinker for a DP. He got Vlad swinging earlier, a feat which has for weeks seemed impossible. There is no chance you should be trusting even a well-rested Bazardo over him at that point.

Bazardo was the end of a long line of poor managerial decisions rather than a one-off abberation. And this isn’t even getting into Crawford bunting with no outs against an underperforming Shane Bieber. The guys in your lineup hitting 8th and 9th are there for a reason. If Wilson called it, it’s as inexcusable as the Bazardo decision; if Crawford did it own his own–I’ve seen theories he forgot he was batting 7th, not 9th–it’s mostly on him, but I’d still throw the manager some shade for not telling his guys to swing the bat and stack a bunch of runs against an offense that seemed impossible to stop.

I’m not even a Mariners fan. I was rooting for them, sure, but I can only imagine the agony that fanbase is going through right now. And I can’t imagine any of them could stand to see Dan Wilson in the dugout again.

ichiro262Member since 2024
9 months ago

Go Dodgers!

stieb
9 months ago

Jays winning division and ALDS without Bichette (for last month of season+PS) and a healthy Santander for 85% of the year, GG CF Varsho played 71 games.

Even without those two, they’re the better overall team. Elite defence, highest contact rate, some slug and deepest roster by far.

Seattleʼs top four hitters and pitching v scary though.

ichiro262Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  stieb

I get how you’d think that based on this series. Regular season stats don’t bear that out at all. Seattle’s lineup 1-9 was just about as potent as the Blue Jays after the trade deadline acquisitions.

The Blue Jays got huge overperformance from the bottom end of their lineup in this series, and the Mariners had a similar degree of underperformance from the bottom of their lineup.

And the M’s starting rotation and bullpen were both clearly better in the regular season.

Fangraphs had the M’s as a pretty significant favorite at the start of the series, and I didn’t see any other models that had the Blue Jays more than a very slight favorite.

This series came down to which team executed better, not which team had more depth or talent.

sureshotMember since 2025
9 months ago
Reply to  ichiro262

Classic steib vs ichiro debate

jaysfan39Member
9 months ago
Reply to  ichiro262

From August 1st on

Jays position players 11.7 FWAR
Jays pitchers 3.7 FWAR
Total 15.4

Ms position players 9.9
Ms pitchers 5.7
Total 15.6

The Jays numbers only include 3 starts from Yesavage and he was obviously more of a wild card than a sure thing but I think he boosts their pitching over what they were getting from Berrios.

I also don’t think a lot of people give the Jays lineup enough credit for the season they just had.

From May 1st on the Jays position players produced 4.7 more FWAR than any other team which is bigger than the gap between the 2nd place team and 8th place team over that stretch of 130ish games.

Over that stretch the Jays were

1st in runs scored
1st in batting AVG by a lot
1st in OBP
2nd in SLG
1st in WRC+
1st in Def
1st in BB/K

The Jays had 9 hitters with at least 200 PAs after May 1st with an above average WRC+

170, 145, 142, 135, 126, 121, 111, 105 and 104.

For most of the season they had 4 or 5 great bats surrounded by above average bats in the lineup which lead to a lot of runs.

ichiro262Member since 2024
9 months ago
Reply to  jaysfan39

From August 1 on, the Blue Jays and the Mariners both had 117 WRC+.

The difference in position player WAR was driven largely by defense.

So both teams were about equal in hitting, Mariners had better pitching, Blue Jays had better defense. And it all amounts to them being pretty equally matches teams.

To be clear, I think the Blue Jays are great. The Mariners are great too. But the Jays found a way to get it done and just barely win a close-as-it-gets series.

Rollie's MustacheMember since 2017
9 months ago

I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that this ALCS was a classic. It had so many elements of what you want as a fan of playoff baseball – swings in momentum, unlikely contributors, controversial managerial decisions, late game heroics, tremendous performances by each team’s stars – right down to a dramatic moment late in a Game 7. Man, what a treat.

Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
9 months ago

I’m happy for Blue Jays fans and for Canada….crushed for Seattle’s long suffering fans….that was a gut punch….it’s not by the book, but I think you have to ask Munoz to get 8 outs for you….he was fresh and it was the most important game in Mariners’ history….very odd Wilson didn’t go there (unless Munoz couldn’t go that long – something we’ll never know most likely).

King CMLMember since 2025
9 months ago

The M’s lost an extremely winnable game and series to an inferior team because their manager is an imbecile. Why isn’t this blindingly obvious truth the main story here?

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King CMLMember since 2025
9 months ago
Reply to  King CML

Everyone in Seattle is taking refuge in the bizarre delusion that “the BJs were a better team” (they weren’t) or that this was some kind of foregone conclusion. This mentality logically grows out of a quarter century of failure, and now, it will cause another one