Checking In On the Padres’ Defense

You shouldn’t need very much of an introduction. Beginning a few months ago, the Padres became one of the most interesting teams in baseball, totally out of the blue. The new front office completely overhauled a bad roster, and as a part of their maneuvering, they pretty clearly prioritized offensive punch over defensive capability. For a few weeks, now, the Padres have been playing games. It’s easy to see how they’ve done as a team. It’s easy to see how well they’ve been able to hit. Defensive performance is a little more hidden. So, let’s quickly check in on the Padres’ team defense.

Where to begin? I suppose we’ll start behind the plate.

Running Game

The tricky part of this is that, while a lot of people still think the running game is about the catcher, it’s really mostly about the pitchers. Catchers can do only so much about a pitcher who’s slow to the plate, and even Yadier Molina gets stolen on occasionally. That said, catchers are clearly involved to some extent. What do we see? The Padres have allowed 20 stolen bases, tied for third-most in baseball. Derek Norris has been the catcher for 17 of those. However, Norris and the Padres also have nine caught steals. That ranks tied for second, so it hasn’t been all bad news. According to Defensive Runs Saved, the Padres are at +2 runs on steal attempts, which means they’ve been better than average. Runners haven’t been afraid to challenge them, but to this point the runners haven’t benefited.

Pitch-Receiving

I don’t think it’s fair to say the Padres should’ve been bracing for bad pitch-receiving. Just, things were going to be worse. In the past, their pitchers have been able to work with Rene Rivera and Yasmani Grandal, who have graded out as terrific receivers. Norris, not so much. Though he has never been disastrous, he’s got nothing on Rivera. So anyway, this year, by Matthew Carruth’s numbers, Norris has been a below-average receiver. By the Baseball Prospectus numbers, Norris right now ranks as the second-worst receiver in the majors, although there’s a bit of a gap between him and Carlos Ruiz below. Norris has done the bulk of the catching, as expected. Wil Nieves hasn’t been good or great in the backup role. Everything fits, here — Norris has never been an outstanding defender, and he’s getting accustomed to a new team, a new staff, and a new league.

The Rest

Here’s the thing. The Padres have a team -8 DRS, and a team -10 UZR. The Padres’ outfield, alone, has a -8 DRS, and a -10 UZR. The former is tied for the worst mark in baseball. The latter is alone as the worst mark in baseball. So this post is just going to skip over the infield, because it’s been totally average and boring. The outfield was always going to be the more interesting bit. The outfield was the risk.

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The Outfield, then

As noted, the Padres have had the worst defensive outfield in baseball by the two primary metrics. Nearly all the innings have been handled by Justin Upton, Wil Myers, and Matt Kemp, and while it’s too early to say the numbers are where the numbers are going to end up, the numbers haven’t just been pulled out of thin air. People always say not to pay attention to small-sample defensive numbers, and though that’s good advice, it doesn’t mean there haven’t been plays that were or weren’t made. The Padres’ numbers are coming from somewhere. For example, here’s Upton falling down.

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Here’s Kemp electing not to try for a catchable drive.

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But, we have a pretty good idea of what Upton is as an outfielder. He’s fine, and nothing more than that. We also have a pretty good idea of what Kemp is as an outfielder. He’s below-average, and he’s probably not going to put himself at too much risk, given his injury history. The unknown was Myers, transitioning to center. He talked a confident game in spring training, and he’s young enough to handle a shift. From time to time, Myers has kind of looked the part:

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That’s a good catch! Myers covered a lot of ground, and he wound up on the track and headed for the wall. Not easy. None of us would’ve been able to do that without looking stupid or getting hurt. Unfortunately, those plays have been few and far between. Below, a selection of relative Wil Myers defensive low-lights, beginning with a mistake he made Tuesday.

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Home run!

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Double!

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Double!

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Triple!

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Triple!

Early on, the numbers call Myers the worst defensive center fielder in the majors, and while it is very early, and while Myers is probably still getting used to the reads and the routes, you can understand where the numbers came from. It seemed like he might be a -10 center fielder, and he’s already more than halfway there. Additionally, what I’ve shown you above is only about the ball’s initial trajectory. There are also throwing matters to keep in mind. Matt Kemp, for example, has held just a third of would-be advancers, against a right-field average of 48%. It’s worse for Myers. Myers has zero assists. He’s prevented just three out of 18 potential advances. The league average is 44%. Perhaps Myers hasn’t faced exactly average opportunities, but the way the numbers make it look is that opponents have been willing to take advantage of his arm. Encouragingly, his arm wasn’t a problem as a right fielder, but that’s a different position. Myers is trying to find a new comfort zone, in a big part of the park.

It makes sense that, early on in a position switch, a player would under-perform expectations. It takes a while to get comfortable, presumably longer than one spring training. So in theory, Myers should keep getting better, albeit only to a point. We’ll see how long the Padres can tolerate bad defense, if it’s what they continue to get.

Then there’s the fact that, as of this writing, the Padres have the second-highest wRC+ in the National League. They have the sixth-highest outfield wRC+ in the majors. They put this team together to hit, and it is hitting. Overall? The Padres are around the middle of the pack in position-player WAR, and they’re exactly in the middle of the pack in outfielder WAR. But boy are they ever more interesting than prior editions. That much cannot possibly be argued.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Matthew
11 years ago

This could have provided more laughs than any article so far. Bravo.

Shortstop Adam Dunn
11 years ago
Reply to  Matthew

Thanks for making me look good Myers!!!

Wildcard09
11 years ago

Don’t you mean Gold Glove winning CF Adam Dunn?

http://www.fangraphs.com/not/dangerous-experiment-a-roster-of-25-adam-dunns/

Pike
11 years ago
Reply to  Matthew

It’s almost like NotGraphs is back…

Well-Beered Englishman
11 years ago
Reply to  Matthew

Does that home run ball bounce of Wil Myers’s head?

Jamesy
11 years ago

No, not a Jose Canseco repeat but I believe it hit off his glove. He misjudged it and jumped too early.

tz
11 years ago
Reply to  Jamesy

And got a Cholula Hot Sauce enema for his troubles.

Dan GreerMember since 2018
11 years ago

Glove, then head, then gone.

Captain Tenneal
11 years ago

It ticks off his glove and then bounces off the top of the wall and over. Because the top part of the wall is transparent it looks exactly like it bounces off his head though. They showed a side view on MLB Network but before that I was convinced he’d pulled off a Canseco.

Roger
11 years ago

The part about Myers is a pretty good illustration, to me at least, of the weaknesses of the subjective eye test. I’ve watched a few Padres games this year, maybe half a dozen, and would’ve guesstimated Myers as an around-average CF based on the plays I saw him make (which included the “good” GIF, I think that play was literally the one where I said out loud “wow, I guess Myers actually can play center field”) and just sort of shrugged off the couple of these “bad” GIFfed plays that I saw, thinking of them as growing pains or whatever.

David of unknown robot status
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

That’s actually a negative reflection on YOUR eyes. It’s been pretty patently obvious in watching him play that his routes are bad, his technique is horrible, and his ability to trust his instincts is (predictably) nonexistent.

Neil
11 years ago

Then the Astros came into town and made this defense look foolish.

Jamesy
11 years ago
Reply to  Neil

And the pitching, and the hitting. ‘Stros were beasts no doubt about it.

Tommy
11 years ago

Was waiting for this post. Didn’t see it after 10-12 games when the Padres defense was ranked at the top of MLB. Not surprised that it appears at the 23 game mark, just after Myers’ anti-Web gem of the year.

You told us so Fangraphs.

Tommy
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

Fair enough. I’m likely in a salty mood due in large part to the Padres recent slide. That said, the Padre defense was a topic of discussion on local SD message boards after the 10 game mark, but many of us said that 10 games was a SSS and we really need 1/4 to 1/2 a season to see true trends.

Always enjoy your work Jeff.

Jeff
11 years ago
Reply to  Tommy

So are you saying the stats after 10 games are somehow more accurate than the stats after 23? Jeff clearly stated that he wasn’t trying to draw any conclusions about the Padres defense after 23 games, he would be an idiot to write an article about the Padres defense after 10 games. I think if you read the article it’s pretty clear that Jeff wasn’t saying definitively whether the Padres outfield defense was terrible. He was just examining whether or not the actual plays matched up with what the stats were telling us. And from the gifs I think it’s fairly clear that they are. The dude’s only had 11 non-routine plays and 5 of them look like that. He obviously hasn’t been good so what exactly is your issue here?

kevin
11 years ago
Reply to  Tommy

Thank you for illustrating why we don’t put much stock in SSS. Or arbitrary cut off points. (Why DID you choose the 10-12 game mark? Could it be because that was the last time the numbers told the story you wanted them to?)

Jim S.
11 years ago

Jeff, I know you love GIFs, but several of those on Myers were plays that few centerfielders make.

Kevin
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

Sorry, are you saying that those plays were considered routine or something by inside edge? How were they classified?

Bryz
11 years ago
Reply to  Jim S.

I don’t know where you’re from, but in my country Wil Myers isn’t regarded as an average center fielder.

Obsessivegiantscompulsive
11 years ago

Wow, just looked at Myers projected advanced defensive metrics. Ranges in seasonal rate from minus three wins to minus FIVE wins. He could be one of the better hitters around, plus five wins, but with that defense, he is a zero to two WAR player.

Was Kemp THAT bad in CF? Or was it to keep him healthy? Either way, the experiment cannot last much longer if they wish to contend with defense that bad.

Paul
11 years ago

You understand that it’s April, right? As in, projecting players with one month of outlier numbers over a full season is basically meaningless? I’ll try to put it in words you can understand:

Right now, Giants’ infielder Joaquin Arias has a UZR/150 of -158 over his 15 innings at shortstop. We don’t expect him to continue this rate of unfathomably abysmal defense, though, because we know what a small sample size is. Get it now? Wil Myers is not a good defensive centerfielder, but that doesn’t mean we extrapolate 22 games worth of data over a full season.

cs3
11 years ago

“Wow, just looked at Myers projected advanced defensive metrics. Ranges in seasonal rate from minus three wins to minus FIVE wins”

Where are you getting this from/ On his player page Zips, Steamer, and FANS all project him to be worth between -9 and -12 runs for the rest of the season. Thats nowhere close to 5 wins.

vivalajeter
11 years ago

Look at it a different way though. Juan Lagares seems to be the consensus best defensive CF in baseball. If I told you that Myers would have double the DRS of Lagares, and more than triple the UZR, would you take it? Well, that’s exactly what’s happened so far!

DRS: Myers has -6, Lagares has -3
UZR: Myers has -5.7, Lagares has -1.8

raul
11 years ago

To me, the most impressive part of this is that it was completely expected. This isn’t some fluky week of data. I thought that they would actually outperform expectations… and they have, but not as I envisioned. No MLB team, or MiLB team for that matter, can afford to send Myers out in CF – especially one with putrid corner outfielders.

This really can be a useful WAR experiment. Defense is wildly overvalued these days (thanks a lot WAR) at relatively unimportant positions (like OF). Can the Padres play winning baseball with a community college-level defensive outfield? Having a poor C is the real nail in the coffin…

jeremy
11 years ago

Does any of what you have seen so far actively deter you from trading for Padres pitching (for fantasy purposes)? I would think not as guys like Shields, Ross and Cashner have been striking guys out at a pretty good rate so far this season.

randplaty
11 years ago

Where do you get access to inside edge play-by-play data?

BasementDwellingVirginNerd
11 years ago

Boston sucks blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I’m so clever

Randy Jones
11 years ago

Where’s the corresponding article on how great the Padres offense has been so far?