Dan Szymborski FanGraphs Chat – 6/8/23
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: It is time. A time. For chats.
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: Or at least once!
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| 12:00 |
: EllyD… That is all.
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| 12:00 |
: I got a DM from someone really annoyed I referred to him as Ellraiser
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| 12:01 |
: Hey Dan! The Cards, and others, need to give Jordan Walker more time, right? Especially with them being in the cellar.
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: It was always iffy if this was the year he was going to contribute, he has huge upside, but the short-term was very uncertian
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| 12:01 |
: Since the Cardinals need to capture lightning in a bottle to erase the deficit, they need to be going for riskier upside players than they’re normally inclined to
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| 12:02 |
: What are your thoughts on Bobby Witt Jr and his future? Obviously, still a lot of time to be come the star people thought he would be, but the start to his career has been underwhelming.
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| 12:04 |
: I’m not super-worried for a few reasons. One, he’s just turning 23 soon. His defense has improved and his peripheral offensive stats suggest he ought to be hitting more like he was last year than this year
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| 12:04 |
: Now, his chances of being a major superstar have probably declined, I still think he’s a good player and could be a very good one
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| 12:04 |
: Dan, can you simulate a photo of a dugout-clearing brawl but with everyone running onto the field with torches and pitchforks?
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| 12:05 |
: We’ll see!
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| 12:06 |
: Do you believe mariners as currently constructed can join the WC race assuming a reasonable amount of their players start performing close to projected output
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| 12:07 |
: I think they can and will likely be in the WC race.
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| 12:07 |
: Not that they can’t improve
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| 12:07 |
: I think they really need to be in the market for a DH type
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| 12:08 |
: And Pollock’s stuff probably needs to be in a cardboard box at the curb
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| 12:08 |
: The rotation has actually moved *up* in our rankings from the start of the year!
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| 12:08 |
: Name the cutest thing your cats do
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| 12:09 |
: Probably the presents they give me. The catlets are fighting over a toy golf bag for a couple months now.
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| 12:09 |
: Justinian brings it to me and Constantine will come and take it away from me
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| 12:10 |
: And Cassiopeia will bring me her hedgehog when she’s hungry
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| 12:10 |
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| 12:11 |
: How vindicated do you feel with the diamondbacks hot start? ZIPS has been on this beat for a long time. Is anyone more set for regression than perdomo?
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| 12:12 |
: I feel pretty good as that was the only over/under I bet this year!
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: I was definitely talking a lot about them this offseason
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: and the thing is, they haven’t even gotten particularly fortunate with their young pitching
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| 12:13 |
: how often are the, I guess “priors” updated for the ROS projections on the site (or at least ZiPS)
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| 12:13 |
: RoS projections are recalculated every morning. I’m not sure what time
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| 12:14 |
: OH y eah, Perdomo’s going to come down a bit
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| 12:14 |
: But Gurriel probably will too of course
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| 12:14 |
: For a team with such a good record, Arizona’s had a surprising amount of things go wrong
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| 12:14 |
: Really, it’s just that their good players have been REALLY good
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| 12:15 |
: What kind of moves should the Giants make? A little bit of both selling and buying?
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| 12:15 |
: It’s really hard to say because right now, there are *so* many more buyers than sellers
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| 12:15 |
: I mean, you know where the Giants are weak, but it’s hard to really connect the lines until you see more teams fall into sell mode
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| 12:15 |
: Walk me off the Judge ledge. Anything there possibly with Jake Bauers? Doesn’t it seem a little odd they opted for Mckinney over Florial? Or do they just not want to subject Florial to waivers, ~hoping~ this is more a 2 week thing than 4?
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| 12:17 |
: I’d have called up Florial honestly
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| 12:17 |
: My tea-reading suggests they want to see more plate discipline improvement from him though
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| 12:17 |
: But given how well he’s hit, you have to expect him to be aggressive
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| 12:18 |
: I’ve Bauers-skeptical
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| 12:18 |
: Though it’s nice that he got the 99 turbo boost in MLB the Show!
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| 12:18 |
: How do you pronounce the word “Pecan”?
a) PEE-can |
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: None of these
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: I say puh-CON
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| 12:18 |
: Can you fix Alek Manoah?
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| 12:18 |
: Me personally? No
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| 12:19 |
: I like to think I’m a very good analyst, but I’m not a pitching coach
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| 12:19 |
: If he wants help playing Hearthstone or something I could help him
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| 12:19 |
: What’s up with Sandy Alcantra? Is he gonna bounce back to form?
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| 12:20 |
: He’ll be fine, but 2022 was not his baseline, which I keep trying to tell people!
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| 12:20 |
: I mean, his FIP is around where it typically is
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| 12:21 |
: Here’s what I wrote about him in March
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| 12:21 |
: Alcantara is still likely to be one of the better pitchers in the league, and ZiPS certainly likes him, placing him among the leaders in WAR. But ZiPS is explicitly not trying to take into account rule changes, and I think Alcantara is one of the pitchers with the most significant chances to be affected by them. That’s a common theme among several of my bust picks this year, simply because this year, it’s something that causes additional uncertainty. In this case, Alcantara, by far, had more groundballs hit into shifts than any pitcher in baseball in 2022, with 166; only seven other pitchers were above 100. I still think he’ll be a really good pitcher, but I expect his platoon splits will rise farther than ZiPS does, and before remaining confident he’s in ultra-elite territory, I want to make sure that the changeups that lefties facing Alcantara drive into the ground aren’t sneaking through at high rates. |
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: (in the pitcher busts piece)
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| 12:24 |
: How much better of a prospect is Elly than Oneil Cruz was when he was initially called up?
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| 12:24 |
: I’d say *slightly* better?
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| 12:24 |
: They’re both excellent prospects at callup
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| 12:28 |
: Which AL East team is built best for the playoffs (as currently constructed)?
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| 12:28 |
: Relative to their record, probably the Jays
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: their talent is quite concentrated in their frontline players
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| 12:29 |
: The Rays have the amazing depth, the Yankees have all sorts of injury questions, the Orioles would still likely go into most playoff games with the weaker starting pitcher
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| 12:31 |
: How does Kershaw get that much break on his curve with low spin?
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| 12:31 |
: Ah, you probably want more of a mechanics specialist for this!
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| 12:32 |
: For his 12-6, I’m sure his arm slot and release point have a lot to do with it
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| 12:32 |
: I’m not sure if he’s still doing it this way, but he at least used to use his middle finger on the *rim* of the seam rather than on the seam squarely
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| 12:33 |
: So the Astros rotation currently feautres JP France, Brandon Bielak and Ronel Blanco and they still lead the league in ERA. What is their secret?
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| 12:34 |
: I wouldn’t expect these guys to continue beating their peripherals by so much
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| 12:34 |
: First it was “on a heater”. Now it’s “celly”. The people DEMAND better.
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| 12:34 |
: Which left for dead players do you (and ZiPS) think still has a lot of life in them?
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| 12:34 |
: I still think there’s a chance Abreu turns it around!
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| 12:35 |
: Jack Suwinski is on a 500-AB pace for 34HR/18SB. Is he worth rostering in a H2H league or are the low avg, o-fers, and days off too much of a headache? Do you see him improving to the point of being a must-roster player or will the Pirates move on from him fairly soon?
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| 12:35 |
: I think he’ll fall off *that* pace a bit
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: But the Pirates aren’t likely to move on
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| 12:36 |
: I think in most leagues, he’s a useful second-tier talent
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| 12:36 |
: Really enjoy the chats. Would you rather bet on production from Correa, Perdomo, or Rosario ROS?
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| 12:36 |
: Still Correa
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| 12:37 |
: Marcell Ozuna can hit? Shocking that a player with thousands of plate appearances logged of good performance would all of the sudden be a good hitter /s
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| 12:37 |
: In fairness, he was pretty awful the last two years
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| 12:37 |
: Why are projections seemingly so much higher on Rowdy Tellez than he’s shown? He seems thoroughly replaceable this year
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| 12:37 |
: Hardly THAT much higher.
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| 12:38 |
: 105 wRC+ vs. the 123 depth chart projection at the start of the year is an underperformance, but hardly a shocking one
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| 12:38 |
: It’s not Bellinger a couple years ago!
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| 12:38 |
: and the depth chart’s down to only 9 points of wRC+ over season to date
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| 12:41 |
: A 105 wRC+ was his 30th percentile projection in ZiPS at the start of the season
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| 12:41 |
: Is Trea Turner back or was that just the Tigers bump?
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| 12:41 |
: Given his history and age, I think he’ll be fine
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| 12:41 |
: Imagine if the Reds would reconfig GABP to make the Outfield Coors sized and move Elly to CF… I’d love to see him covering massive amounts of ground and firing lasers to nab fools! To my ?… |
| 12:42 |
: It always depends on the number of PA *and* the magnitude
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| 12:43 |
: Now, if you’re asking when in-season a change becomes *as* predictive as the projection
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| 12:44 |
: for hitters, K/PA in 65 PA, 153 PA for HR, but 475 PA for singles per balls in play!
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| 12:44 |
: How long before we can consider the Dbacks a legit contender to the Dbacks?
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| 12:45 |
: They’re definitely legitimate contenders when playing themselves!
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| 12:45 |
: Where has my power gone?
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| 12:45 |
: Not worried. Still hitting the ball in the air, still hitting the ball hard
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| 12:46 |
: You ought to see some Vlad on Hitters zStast tomorrow mornign
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| 12:46 |
: Can I request a Boba Chette GIF viewing party this week? I think last week you were short on time but Bo is still mashing the ball.
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| 12:46 |
: I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do!
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: From earlier
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| 12:48 |
: Alejandro Kirk or Gary Sanchez ?
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: Still Kirk!
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| 12:48 |
: So which is worse: The A’s are losing games at an historic pace, but are trying to be bad. The Royals are also losing games at an historic pace, but thought they’d be better this year. At least one team is seeing things go according to plan.
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| 12:48 |
: See, if you’re going to be awful, be AMAZING at it. The A’s are
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: The A’s could lose 120 games
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: Nobody’s going to remember most of these Royals
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| 12:49 |
: And it’s too bad that Quatraro is probably the sacrificial lamb that gets blamed by the org
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| 12:49 |
: The Rangers effectively acquired Heim, Garcia, and Lowe for two 45ish prospects, Elvis Andrus, and cash considerations. Seems like a pretty good deal.
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| 12:49 |
: What team has been the worst underperformer relative to their ZiPS projected record, historically? Are the 2023 Cardinals at risk of taking that crown?
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| 12:49 |
: Oh, 2021 Giants
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: oih wait
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: other way around
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| 12:50 |
: hang on
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| 12:50 |
: People in Kansas City are so stockholm-syndromed to bad old school managers that some are saying they’d rather have Matheny than Quatrato
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| 12:52 |
: 2018 Orioles at -30, 2017 Giants at -24, 2005 Dodgers at -23, and then five teams at -21: 2019 Tigers, 2014 Rangers, 2012 Rockies, 2009 Mets, 2008 Padres
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| 12:53 |
: Thanks all for the Baltimore recommendations! We went to Faidley’s for crab cakes straight off the plane, hit up Attman’s Deli and the Mount Royal Tavern, and whacked a bunch of crabs with mallets. Didn’t get to try a Chaps pit beef so I’m making plans to go back. Cool city. Wish the O’s had been in town.
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| 12:53 |
: Glad you had fun
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| 12:53 |
: JFC you guys have asked a lot of questions
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| 12:54 |
: This is going to be one of my worst chats for answer rate
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| 12:54 |
: I’m going to have to stop answering ones that I have to check data on!
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| 12:54 |
: As an Astros fan how concerned should I be that the Rangers are on the pace they’re on? Is it sustainable? Should we be looking at the Wild Card race already?
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| 12:54 |
: Should be concerned. We’re going to be at the halfway point in a couple weeks
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| 12:54 |
: What do you think about the reaction feature in chat? I feel like it negatively affects the mobile experience
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| 12:55 |
: Oh, I always leave it on because I like to give you guys as much freedom as possible
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| 12:55 |
: How real is Jake Bauers? He’s got the best batted ball data of his career, but the sample is still quite small. The Yankees are going to need someone to step up while Judge is out.
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: Still skeptical
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| 12:55 |
: Dan, you got to move. It can’t be in the same state where you live now, any state where you lived previously, or any bordering state of where you live now or have lived. Where do you move?
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: New Hampshire
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: or Colorado
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| 12:55 |
: Is that trio OF in Miami of Soler, DLC and Sweet Jesus remotely reminiscent of the former of Stanton, Ozuna and Yelich?
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| 12:55 |
: Soler kind of odd man out long term
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| 12:56 |
: Can you help me understand 90th percentile EV a little better and its significance?
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| 12:56 |
: It’s like max EV but 90th percentile means you’re eliminating some outliers
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| 12:56 |
: Are the Cubs really this bad? Spending $300m to be just as bad as last year? And even “prospect” fans and cubs media tell me will be a guy isn’t even bench worthy. The org feels like its in disarray. Total dumpster fire.
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| 12:57 |
: They’re a 50ish team playing poorly now after playing very well in April
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| 12:57 |
: Has this season affected your outlook on Corbin Carroll?
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| 12:57 |
: No, I already thought he was often
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| 12:57 |
: My 14-year-old cat often walks through the house carrying a sock in her mouth and meowing loudly. What does it mean?
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| 12:57 |
: Doesn’t necessarily mean anything
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| 12:57 |
: but if it’s a change in behavior, that’s a good reason for checkup
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| 12:57 |
: Have badly have humidors messed up park factors, on a scale of 1 to blueberries.
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| 12:57 |
: bessemer process
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| 12:57 |
: I’m on a work call that’s totally distracting me from your chat…God help me!
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| 12:57 |
: Why are FOs still bad when there are analysts using publicly available data that could tell you why what a FO is doing is not a good idea?
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| 12:57 |
: Decision-making is complex and getting data from a computer screen to a plan of action isn’t always easy
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| 12:58 |
: Thoughts on the Hearthstone meta now that there’s been a little time since the mini-set?
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| 12:58 |
: haven’t played much constructed
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| 12:58 |
: agree it’s “puh-CON” except it is always “PEE-can” pie
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| 12:58 |
: Do you blame AJ Preller for the failure of the Padres? This isn’t the first time he’s constructed a roster that has performed well below expectations? Or is it on the players?
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| 12:58 |
: The thing was, the first go back in 2017/2018 range shouldn’t have worked
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| 12:58 |
: but this one works
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: it’s hard to blame him in this case for the players that have sucked
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| 12:58 |
: Which also makes it really frigging hard to fix
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| 12:59 |
: I am looking at ZIPS 24 and 25 projections on KeBrayan Hayes and they’re…underwhelming. Why do you think a guy who purportedly has a 60 hit tool is such a bad hitter?
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| 12:59 |
: ZiPS has always been skeptical about his offense
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| 12:59 |
: Dan, can you simulate a photo of a dugout-clearing brawl but with everyone running onto the field in tutus and with feathers?
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| 12:59 |
: Is Kevin Gausman the best FA pitcher signing in baseball?
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| 1:00 |
: Looking like it
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: Why do you hate my team?
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: My job is to crush joy
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: A baseball-sized radioactive meteor is headed to earth and will end civilization if it hits the ground in one piece but is harmless if it’s broken up before impact. The meteor is 475 feet from home plate and hovering right off the ground. Which three hitters would you pick to hit a baseball to it?
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: Judge, Soto, Alvarez
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: Why is the sandwich enthusiast being mean to rowdy he’s just a big fluffy boy who deserves the world
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| 1:01 |
: Do you think Encarnacion Strand is worth stashing even if he can’t be moved to minors slot and thus my team would be missing at bats?
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: Not a bench?
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: I think he’ll be up soon
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: if you’re behind int eh standings by a lot, I might take the risk because of the upside
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: The Jays can obviously afford both but if you had to choose to lock up Vlad or Bo long term which would you pick?
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: Boba Chette
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: “Corbin Carroll is often” – Dan Symborski
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: For some reason, I typed awesome as often
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: This kind of thing has increased in the last five or six years as I age
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: After roughly how many PAs do rate states like Chase%, Contact%, etc. tend to stabilize?
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: Fewer!
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: Under a hundred
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| 1:03 |
: Real men pronounce it ‘PUH-con’
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| 1:03 |
: I didn’t see the word “cat” in the sock meow question and thought somebody’s 14-year old kid was doing that. Definitely would have been a reason for a check up
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| 1:03 |
: Have to drop one of Freddy Peralta, Bibee, Paxton or Mitch Keller. Who would be your choice?
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| 1:03 |
: Paxton, though I think you can trade him
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| 1:04 |
: Let someone else need him to stay healthy!
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| 1:04 |
: Are you going to do another article about ZIPs breakouts from the Future’s Game again this year?!? Was really helpful last. Thank you!
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| 1:04 |
: I usually do, so I probably will again!
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| 1:04 |
: If you were a betting man, do you think Jacob deGrom comes back as a very good pitcher after TJ surgery? I know the unknowns are huge.
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| 1:04 |
: I’m a little squeamish for a TJ redux
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: are players with less experience more likely to reach 20th or 80th percentile projected performance, or is the range simply wider?
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| 1:05 |
: Remember, 20th/80th percentiles are already the popularity!
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: errr
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: probability
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| 1:05 |
: see what I mean? Szym approaching 45 substitutes way more wrong words than Szym approaching 25
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| 1:05 |
: Which really annoys me.
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| 1:06 |
: Dan, do you think Ohtani could play the field and just make his throws left handed? That seems less difficult to learn than other things he does successfully
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| 1:06 |
: That would be amusing
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| 1:06 |
: Astros secret: Having one fake team in their division + Mariners/Angels.
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| 1:07 |
: Is it bad that a keep having a dream where my Vlad Guerrero themed socks keep coming to life and Vlad softly nibbles on my ankle?
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| 1:08 |
: On that note, it is time for me to depart for another week!
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| 1:08 |
: Thanks for coming everyone!
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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Dan,
In comparison, how many innings pitched are projected for Cole, established “workhorse”, vs Abbott, “yearling” ?
Expected milestones.