Do Manager Firings Really Change Team Trajectories?

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“Throw the bums out!” is a rich American tradition. While most used in the context of the messiness of that whole democracy thing, it’s also applicable to sports. When you’re a fan, especially a passionate one, and things are going horribly wrong for your favorite team, there’s a real sense of wanting the perpetrators of these crimes against excellence to be figuratively carted out in tumbrels and to meet their makers like Danton or Robespierre. And heads do roll in baseball when things are going badly, because someone has to take responsibility for a team’s crapitude, and it’s not going to be the team’s owner. Most often, it’s someone public-facing, as fans will not be appeased by the firing of some relatively anonymous staffer in operations. Since general managers and team presidents get first priority to hold the axe (but not always), and individual coaches don’t usually have wide-enough authority to take responsibility for the whole team, that leaves managers as the common sin eaters.

The moment of catharsis happens, and lo and behold, teams play a lot better, vindicating the demise of the ex-manager. It certainly feels that way, and it’s not the craziest idea in the world to think that there’s something to it. While you would expect teams in the midst of a spate of sucking to be underplaying their talent level rather than overplaying it, when you drive by an accident with a car that’s been unfortunately integrated into a telephone pole, it’s also quite likely that the driver had something to do with it.

Two managers have already been fired this season, after their large-payroll teams with championship aspirations got off to awful starts. Surprisingly, Alex Cora was first to go, as Red Sox chief baseball officer Craig Breslow canned not just Cora, but also anyone on the coaching staff considered to be one of Cora’s guys, on Saturday night after the team started the season 10-17. Then, on Tuesday, the Phillies fired Rob Thomson after they began the year 9-19, a woeful start that included a 10-game losing streak. Four years ago, Thomson became one of the most successful midseason replacement managers ever, as he steered a sinking Phillies ship back from a 22-29 start all the way to the World Series. Mets manager Carlos Mendoza can’t be comfortable about his job security right now, despite the team’s insistence that his job is safe.

(Editor’s note from Matt: As I edit this piece on Thursday afternoon, I keep checking to make sure the Mets haven’t fired Mendoza after yet another brutal loss.)

The point is, the first step for a struggling team that was supposed to be a contender is to get rid of its manager. A fresh start with a new skipper, though, doesn’t automatically mean things are going to get better. So, what’s a realistic expectation for a team that replaces the manager in-season?

There have certainly been occasions when teams made stunning comebacks immediately after replacing their manager. I already mentioned how the Phillies won the NL pennant after firing Joe Girardi. But there’s also the 2004 Astros, who were 44-44 when they replaced Jimy Williams with Phil Garner; they went 48-26 from that point on, made the playoffs, and advanced to the NLCS, where they lost to the Cardinals in seven games. (The next year was the Brad LidgeAlbert Pujols home run year, and that was now more than 20 years ago and I feel really old.) But most of the time, things don’t turn out that well. We just have a tendency to remember the outliers.

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But how to measure the effect of a midseason firing, if one exists? I went through every midseason managerial firing/hiring going back to 2004 (so that there’s projection data, but we’ll get to that a little later). I intentionally excluded April and September firings in order to make sure both the incumbents and the replacements got more than a handful of games to influence their teams. After all, it wouldn’t be quite fair to expect, say, Freddie Benavides to meaningfully change the trajectory of the 2024 Reds after David Bell was gratuitously fired with just five games left. I also have not included the games for guys who only filled in for a game or two.

For each of the 40 managerial firing/hiring transactions that have come during the season since the start of 2004, I tallied up the team’s record under the fired skipper and its record under the replacement.

Midseason Managerial Firings, 2004-2025
Team Manager Fired W L WPct Manager Hired W L WPct
2025 Rockies Bud Black 7 33 .175 Warren Schaeffer 36 86 .295
2025 Pirates Derek Shelton 12 26 .316 Don Kelly 59 65 .476
2025 Orioles Brandon Hyde 15 28 .349 Tony Mansolino 60 59 .504
2025 Nationals Dave Martinez 37 53 .411 Miguel Cairo 29 43 .403
2024 White Sox Pedro Grifol 28 89 .239 Grady Sizemore 13 32 .289
2022 White Sox Tony La Russa 63 65 .492 Miguel Cairo 18 16 .529
2022 Rangers Chris Woodward 51 63 .447 Tony Beasley 17 31 .354
2022 Phillies Joe Girardi 22 29 .431 Rob Thomson 65 46 .586
2022 Blue Jays Charlie Montoyo 46 42 .523 John Schneider 46 28 .622
2022 Angels Joe Maddon 27 29 .482 Phil Nevin 46 60 .434
2018 Cardinals Mike Matheny 47 46 .505 Mike Shildt 41 28 .594
2016 Braves Fredi González 9 28 .243 Brian Snitker 59 65 .476
2015 Phillies Ryne Sandberg 26 48 .351 Pete Mackanin 37 51 .420
2015 Padres Bud Black 32 33 .492 Pat Murphy 42 54 .438
2015 Marlins Mike Redmond 16 22 .421 Dan Jennings 55 69 .444
2015 Brewers Ron Roenicke 7 18 .280 Craig Counsell 61 76 .445
2014 Astros Bo Porter 59 79 .428 Tom Lawless 11 13 .458
2013 Phillies Charlie Manuel 53 67 .442 Ryne Sandberg 20 22 .476
2012 Astros Brad Mills 39 82 .322 Tony DeFrancesco 16 25 .390
2011 Nationals Jim Riggleman 38 37 .507 Davey Johnson 40 43 .482
2011 Marlins Edwin Rodríguez 32 39 .451 Jack McKeon 40 50 .444
2011 Athletics Bob Geren 27 36 .429 Bob Melvin 47 52 .475
2010 Royals Trey Hillman 12 23 .343 Ned Yost 55 72 .433
2010 Orioles Juan Samuel 17 34 .333 Buck Showalter 34 23 .596
2010 Orioles Dave Trembley 15 39 .278 Juan Samuel 17 34 .333
2010 Marlins Fredi González 34 36 .486 Edwin Rodríguez 46 46 .500
2010 Mariners Don Wakamatsu 42 70 .375 Daren Brown 19 31 .380
2010 Cubs Lou Piniella 51 74 .408 Mike Quade 24 13 .649
2009 Rockies Clint Hurdle 18 28 .391 Jim Tracy 74 42 .638
2009 Nationals Manny Acta 26 61 .299 Jim Riggleman 33 42 .440
2009 Diamondbacks Bob Melvin 12 17 .414 A.J. Hinch 58 75 .436
2008 Mets Willie Randolph 34 35 .493 Jerry Manuel 55 38 .591
2008 Mariners John McLaren 25 47 .347 Jim Riggleman 36 54 .400
2007 Reds Jerry Narron 31 51 .378 Pete Mackanin 41 39 .513
2007 Orioles Sam Perlozzo 29 40 .420 Dave Trembley 40 53 .430
2007 Astros Phil Garner 58 73 .443 Cecil Cooper 15 16 .484
2005 Reds Dave Miley 27 43 .386 Jerry Narron 46 46 .500
2005 Orioles Lee Mazzilli 51 56 .477 Sam Perlozzo 23 32 .418
2004 Diamondbacks Bob Brenly 29 50 .367 Al Pedrique 22 61 .265
2004 Astros Jimy Williams 44 44 .500 Phil Garner 48 26 .649
Total 1248 1813 .414 1544 1757 .467

(There were two other midseason managerial moves that were not due to a firing. On July 1, 2007, Mike Hargrove unexpectedly resigned as Mariners manager; at the time, Seattle had won eight straight games and was in second place. He didn’t give a reason publicly, though according to his SABR bio, “almost immediately speculation arose that he was forced out because of his increasingly toxic relationship with the team’s star, Ichiro Suzuki.” It’s worth mentioning that his contract was up at the end of the season. Bench coach John McLaren took over for Hargrove. Then, last June, Ray Montgomery replaced Ron Washington as the manager of the Angels when Washington was placed on medical leave. Soon after, Washington underwent quadruple bypass heart surgery.)

On a fundamental level, the teams did play better ball after firing their manager. The teams had a .414 winning percentage when their managers were fired, and the replacements accumulated a .467 winning percentage the rest of the way. Thirty two of the 40 teams saw their record improve. The 2010 Orioles even did it twice, with their .278 winning percentage under Dave Trembley improving to .331 during Juan Samuel’s 51-game stint as skipper; they then played nearly .600 ball after Buck Showalter took over in August.

But how much of this is the manager’s doing, and how much of this is underperforming teams simply regressing toward the mean? After all, Thomson was fired with the Phillies on pace for a 52-110 season, and I don’t think anybody on this planet honestly believes they would have lost 110 games if he had kept his job. You could find a TaB-branded soda machine that hasn’t been plugged in since 1989 from an abandoned Amoco station in Dubuque, Iowa, make that the Phillies manager, and the team would improve on Thomson’s record — and it would have little to do with the magic of saccharin and caramel color.

To get an idea to an extent of the good vibes from new managers, I went back to the point of firing and got rest-of-season projections from the moment the new managers took over. While projections are no doubt going to have significant error bars, they also care little about the good feelings of a new manager, and if managers are changing something fundamental about the roster, you’d expect those teams to exceed their projections as a group. From 2014 on, I used the FanGraphs projected records, since FanGraphs is conveniently updated every morning. For 2004-2013, I ran a ZiPS projected standings for the date, certainly a more time-consuming task, but at least I have the projection data to do it!

Midseason Managerial Hirings, Results vs. Expectations, 2004-2025
Team Manager Hired Proj. W Proj. L RoS W RoS L WPct
2025 Rockies Warren Schaeffer 47.0 75.0 36 86 .295
2025 Pirates Don Kelly 59.0 65.0 59 65 .476
2025 Orioles Tony Mansolino 58.9 60.1 60 59 .504
2025 Nationals Miguel Cairo 32.9 39.1 29 43 .403
2024 White Sox Grady Sizemore 17.9 27.1 13 32 .289
2022 White Sox Miguel Cairo 18.3 15.7 18 16 .529
2022 Rangers Tony Beasley 21.3 26.7 17 31 .354
2022 Phillies Rob Thomson 59.2 51.8 65 46 .586
2022 Blue Jays John Schneider 41.9 32.1 46 28 .622
2022 Angels Phil Nevin 54.6 51.4 46 60 .434
2018 Cardinals Mike Shildt 35.5 33.5 41 28 .594
2016 Braves Brian Snitker 49.6 74.4 59 65 .476
2015 Phillies Pete Mackanin 35.7 52.3 37 51 .420
2015 Padres Pat Murphy 49.2 46.8 42 54 .438
2015 Marlins Dan Jennings 62.1 61.9 55 69 .444
2015 Brewers Craig Counsell 64.3 72.7 61 76 .445
2014 Astros Tom Lawless 10.2 13.8 11 13 .458
2013 Phillies Ryne Sandberg 20.1 21.9 20 22 .476
2012 Astros Tony DeFrancesco 14.4 26.6 16 25 .390
2011 Nationals Davey Johnson 40.5 42.5 40 43 .482
2011 Marlins Jack McKeon 42.8 47.2 40 50 .444
2011 Athletics Bob Melvin 47.6 51.4 47 52 .475
2010 Royals Ned Yost 49.9 77.1 55 72 .433
2010 Orioles Buck Showalter 22.9 34.1 34 23 .596
2010 Orioles Juan Samuel 21.0 30.0 17 34 .333
2010 Marlins Edwin Rodríguez 45.1 46.9 46 46 .500
2010 Mariners Daren Brown 23.3 26.7 19 31 .380
2010 Cubs Mike Quade 18.5 18.5 24 13 .649
2009 Rockies Jim Tracy 58.9 57.1 74 42 .638
2009 Nationals Jim Riggleman 30.9 44.1 33 42 .440
2009 Diamondbacks A.J. Hinch 68.0 65.0 58 75 .436
2008 Mets Jerry Manuel 52.3 40.7 55 38 .591
2008 Mariners Jim Riggleman 40.6 49.4 36 54 .400
2007 Reds Pete Mackanin 35.2 44.8 41 39 .513
2007 Orioles Dave Trembley 40.6 52.4 40 53 .430
2007 Astros Cecil Cooper 15.2 15.8 15 16 .484
2005 Reds Jerry Narron 39.7 52.3 46 46 .500
2005 Orioles Sam Perlozzo 27.3 27.7 23 32 .418
2004 Diamondbacks Al Pedrique 32.2 50.8 22 61 .265
2004 Astros Phil Garner 40.8 33.2 48 26 .649
Total 1545.5 1755.5 1544 1757 .467

Across 3,061 games managed, the new managers won 1.5 fewer games than expected. This is a statistically insignificant difference, of course. Incidentally, this can be taken as yet another data point in favor of the notion that projections aren’t too slow in lowering the projections for underperforming teams. But that’s a piece for another day!

Does this mean that new managers don’t matter? That would be a preposterous conclusion, one too heavily drawn from the information available. It’s certainly quite possible that if these managers had been doing an especially poor job, their teams would’ve continued to fall short of expectations. Taking a team that’s usually playing miserably and at least getting it back on track is a good thing.

But what this does mean is that, at least based on the last couple of decades, new managers shouldn’t fundamentally change how we look at a team’s performance. If the new managers, Don Mattingly and the Non-Diamondback Chad Tracy, get their teams playing like they should, they deserve credit for that. But for those of you expecting sorcery, I’m sorry we live in this thoroughly unmagical world.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 months ago

Team Null Hypothesis wins again!

tmthjdbMember since 2016
3 months ago

Holy cow that’s an amazing null result. It begs the ultimate question then, do *managers* even matter?

jgcrockeMember since 2024
3 months ago
Reply to  tmthjdb

I do think managers matter, but I think that in the ways that they impact the team, they tend to be conservative and do things mostly by the book, and that book is well-established enough that this is a good enough approach most of the time.

Basically, I think a manager could very negatively impact a team by either total mismanagement of the in-game decisions or by presiding over/causing a clubhouse culture so bad that the team becomes bad. I think the latter happens more often, but in either case bringing in a replacement-level manager who does things by the book will combine with regression to talent level to bring the team somewhat more success. I think a manager who is truly better than average over the long term is pretty rare.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
3 months ago
Reply to  tmthjdb

Without following Dan’s suggestion regarding the Tab machine, we’ll never really know.

My hunch here is that actual MLB-level available “replacement” managers are within a narrow-enough band that they don’t provide a large enough delta over a partial season to make the effect visible.

Make WAR Not LoveMember since 2022
3 months ago

Making a Tab machine manager is also a totally Mets thing that could happen, so we could finally get our data and find out!

DDMember since 2020
3 months ago

They would still give it a 3 year extension worth $5M/yr.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
3 months ago
Reply to  DD

And then it would catch on fire.

kingofdiamondsMember since 2025
3 months ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Kinda neat that AI’s improving to the point that it can come really close to getting the 1987 Mets’ lineup right (Backman and Dykstra should be flipped), but which Niekro (or “Nieskro”) brother does it think pitched for the Mets, and what is Gary Carter sitting on, because it sure doesn’t look comfortable!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  tmthjdb

They do because we can see what happens when things go horribly wrong, like with Matt Williams with the Nationals.

A manager’s role is often about mitigating bad things. It’s like wearing a bike helmet. There are a wide array of bike helmets. Some are much safer than others. But they are almost all tested to a certain standard, so they typically provide a minimum level of protection against concussions.

Almost all managers protect their teams to some base level amount, like the bike helmets. Some are better and some are worse. Like managers, bike helmets age after you use them for a long time / crash and you need to get a new one. Organizations know this and there is a certain orthodoxy to hiring a manager so that they meet that base requirement level.

But every so often an organization realizes belatedly that they haven’t actually gotten a manager that meets the minimum safety levels. This is where the metaphor departs. It is not like bicycle riders think they’re riding with a helmet when they really are not. The far more common risk is that they ride without them entirely. But every so often, a team will functionally be riding without a helmet when they have a guy like Matt Williams in charge. And when the crashes start happening the team is hurt.

bostonrobMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

A totally hilarious yet sensible analogy.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Matt Williams was Manager of the Year his first season with the Nats and was fired after his second season, which reinforces the notion that managerial performance is essentially impossible to measure or define.

warpath
3 months ago
Reply to  tmthjdb

I remember there was a study on NBA head coaches a decade or so ago, and the general sentiment was that most coaches were roughly equivalent, but there were an outlier few that seemed to be truly exceptional or absolutely catastrophic. I think the same might hold here.

I think we are also forgetting that managers do a lot of their work in the offseason assembling a staff and making plans for players, as well as in the spring helping develop players. If you get rid of the manager in-season, but the rest of the staff and general team philosophy is the same, I don’t think we’d expect to see much of a difference.

That’s what makes the Red Sox mass firing a little interesting to me because we might expect some more drastic changes to come out of that.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
3 months ago
Reply to  warpath

Agree on the Red (Wedding) Sox — that firing was partially record, partially philosophical, and mostly consolidation of power. From that, I’d expect the potential for big swings in how things are done.

MoMember since 2024
3 months ago

So the Red Sox are projected to finish 80-82 and the Phillies are projected to finish 83-79. I doubt either team will be happy if they hit their projections.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  Mo

I suspect both teams will be happy because that means the season is over.

Jeremy FoxMember since 2017
3 months ago

Another way to approach this would be to compare changes in performance pre- vs. post-firing with changes in performance of teams that didn’t fire their manager. That is, find a set of teams that performed roughly like the teams that fire their managers (i.e. pretty badly). Then check if those teams’ subsequent performance improved about as much as that of the teams that fired their managers.

This analysis has been done for European pro soccer, though I can’t find the link just now. The result is that firing the manager apparently makes no difference; it’s all just regression to the mean.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Fox

A diff-in-diff model?

Or some sort of explicit counterfactual model?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

To clarify, I am not asking for a full identification proof here. I don’t want that. I don’t think anybody wants that.

zekepMember since 2025
3 months ago

Historically, teams with a lead after the 1st inning win about 70% of the time (68-62% most years), and home team has a slight advantage. If the manager was responsible for either the roster or the lineup card, perhaps they can take a degree of credit. Teams with lead going into the 9th inning win at similar rates.

kingofdiamondsMember since 2025
3 months ago

Your list is missing Scott Servais and Dan Wilson on the 2024 Mariners, which was a late-August firing but not as late as the 2014 Astros firing Bo Porter. It wouldn’t really change the overall conclusion much, assuming that’s the only one missing (I didn’t check back more than a few years), but since Dan Wilson overperformed the FanGraphs’ projections by a few games it would flip the table at the end over to 1.6 games more than expected instead of 1.5 fewer.

dmbbmartinMember since 2022
3 months ago

just wonder if you could do one where you change the GM ala Stearns

beastmodeeMember since 2023
3 months ago

you need to check out the variance of these projections, etc. etc. perhaps some teams react very poorly, while some respond very well.