Everything Is Terrible, Noah Syndergaard Edition
Baseball, like the world around it, has been flooded with bad news for the last couple of weeks. Normally, losing one of the game’s most exciting 20-something pitchers to Tommy John would create a splash on the level of Dan-doing-a-cannonball-into-a-kiddie-pool. But in these times, the ripples created by the news of Noah Syndergaard’s surgery (along with Chris Sale’s) were relatively minor. What are UCLs compared to the concerns of COVID-19?
But it is bad news. Bad for the Mets and bad for Syndergaard himself. How bad? For a change of pace, let’s start off with the long-term projection rather than finish with it. The projection is notable in this case as there’s a key difference in the model. With no actual game-related news to distract me, I’ve been able to complete work on one of my ongoing data projects: better long-term playing time projections for players with injuries, especially serious ones that cause entire seasons to be missed.
While ZiPS has had a generalized model for injuries — both specific and, well, general — for some time, the focus was mainly on projecting how well the player would play upon returning and the long-term qualitative impact on their play. So long-term, pitchers with bum shoulders would fare worse than those taking a trip to Dr. Andrews’ Magic Elbow Factory, and speedy infielders with leg problems would see their aging curves accelerate. Less of the focus had been the long-term effect on playing time itself, something I’ve been able to work on a lot recently.
This is important for pitchers in Syndergaard’s situation. At this point, elbow surgeries of this type have a long history of success, but Thor is the awkward position of hitting free agency soon after his likely return from 12-to-16 months on the shelf. Tommy John surgery having a strong track record or not, there’s still a great deal of uncertainty for his next team. And uncertainty costs moolah. Not so much money that Thor will have to rely on his acting career to make ends meet, but he was likely headed for a ginormous deal after 2021 and now…not so much:
| Year | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2022 | 10 | 7 | 3.27 | 28 | 28 | 173.3 | 156 | 17 | 41 | 182 | 123 | 3.8 |
| 2023 | 9 | 6 | 3.27 | 26 | 26 | 159.7 | 144 | 16 | 38 | 167 | 123 | 3.5 |
| 2024 | 9 | 6 | 3.29 | 24 | 24 | 150.3 | 134 | 15 | 36 | 159 | 122 | 3.3 |
| 2025 | 8 | 5 | 3.32 | 23 | 23 | 141.0 | 127 | 15 | 34 | 151 | 121 | 3.0 |
| 2026 | 8 | 5 | 3.34 | 21 | 21 | 132.0 | 120 | 14 | 32 | 142 | 120 | 2.8 |
| 2027 | 7 | 5 | 3.42 | 20 | 20 | 123.7 | 113 | 14 | 31 | 133 | 118 | 2.5 |
| 2028 | 7 | 5 | 3.53 | 19 | 19 | 114.7 | 106 | 13 | 29 | 123 | 114 | 2.2 |
Before, the injury, ZiPS was projecting a seven-year, $204 million contract for Syndergaard after the 2021 season. That’s more impressive than it sounds; that’s what it projects for his contract if the Mets signed him right now, two years in advance of his free agency. Two years of risk for a pitcher amounts to a lot of dough. ZiPS already wasn’t pricing Syndergaard as a Cole-like workhorse, after two recent years marred by injury: 2018 and more seriously, 2017. Now, here’s the post-injury projection, assuming a July 2021 return:
| Year | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2022 | 7 | 5 | 3.61 | 22 | 22 | 132.0 | 126 | 15 | 32 | 128 | 111 | 2.4 |
| 2023 | 8 | 6 | 3.51 | 24 | 24 | 146.0 | 136 | 16 | 35 | 148 | 115 | 2.8 |
| 2024 | 8 | 5 | 3.52 | 22 | 22 | 135.7 | 127 | 15 | 33 | 137 | 114 | 2.6 |
| 2025 | 7 | 5 | 3.53 | 21 | 21 | 127.3 | 120 | 15 | 31 | 130 | 114 | 2.4 |
| 2026 | 7 | 5 | 3.62 | 20 | 20 | 119.3 | 113 | 14 | 29 | 122 | 111 | 2.1 |
| 2027 | 6 | 5 | 3.71 | 18 | 18 | 111.7 | 107 | 14 | 28 | 115 | 109 | 1.9 |
| 2028 | 6 | 4 | 3.73 | 17 | 17 | 103.7 | 100 | 13 | 27 | 106 | 108 | 1.7 |
ZiPS projects that seven-year contract taking a $60 million hit ($85 million using the old methodology for post-injury playing time). Now, it strikes me as unlikely that Syndergaard’s next team will sign him to a seven-year deal coming off this type of injury, but I wanted to express the financial hit he takes. Something like a one-year, $20 million extension right now might be beneficial to both the Mets and Thor.
The loss to the Mets is just as devastating, and not just because of the mean win projection for a pitcher like Syndergaard. In the first official run of ZiPS projections, back when it looked like we’d have a normal season, ZiPS projected the Mets to be an 87-win team on average. That was just four wins off of the Nationals’ 91 wins.
The Mets, like most teams in the National League, need to hit upside to make the playoffs. The league is very competitive and ZiPS projected the second Wild Card spot to require 88.3 wins, a number forecast for just one team in the NL not projected to win its division: the Atlanta Braves. The Mets are not filled with top prospects, and they’re likely already getting as much as they can from stars such as Jacob deGrom, Jeff McNeil, and Michael Conforto. Thor was one of the players with a foreseeable upside. Michael Wacha (or Rick Porcello or Steven Matz) may be an adequate fill-in for the innings that Syndergaard would have thrown, but he doesn’t have that upside sizzle that could push the Mets 90 wins with nothing else working out in their favor:
| Team | W | L | GB | PCT | Div % | WC% | Playoff % | WS Win% | No. 1 Pick | Avg Draft Pos. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Washington Nationals | 91 | 71 | — | .562 | 44.3% | 30.7% | 75.0% | 6.8% | 0.0% | 23.4 |
| Atlanta Braves | 91 | 71 | — | .562 | 41.6% | 31.7% | 73.3% | 6.4% | 0.0% | 23.1 |
| New York Mets | 84 | 78 | 7 | .519 | 8.3% | 20.2% | 28.6% | 1.6% | 0.0% | 17.3 |
| Philadelphia Phillies | 83 | 79 | 8 | .512 | 5.8% | 16.5% | 22.3% | 1.2% | 0.0% | 16.3 |
| Miami Marlins | 70 | 92 | 21 | .432 | 0.0% | 0.1% | 0.2% | 0.0% | 2.0% | 6.6 |
I’m still using 162 games here because at this point, the actual season length is an unknown number somewhere between 0 and maybe 110 games. The exact numbers are only illustrative and they demonstrate that losing Syndergaard, even with a legitimate major league option replacing him, is still enough to knock about a fifth of a playoff appearance off the Mets’ outlook. That’s…bad. I haven’t done a preseason Most Indispensable List since 2014 (I usually do it midseason), but a 20 percentage point loss would have been the fourth-largest loss from disappearance of a single player over that span, behind only Justin Verlander (-25 percentage points), Clayton Kershaw (-21), and Buster Posey (-21).
It gets even trickier in 2021. Three-fifths of the team’s post-Syndergaard rotation is unsigned. Assuming that half-season from Syndergaard in 2021, I ran the projections for the 2021 season with depth charts based on only the talent teams have under contract. Obviously, these aren’t final projections — I imagine that Mookie Betts and J.T. Realmuto will be employed in 2021 — but it’s a representation of where teams are right now:
| Team | W | L | GB | PCT | Div% | WC% | Playoff% | WS Win% | No. 1 Pick | Avg Draft Pos. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Washington Nationals | 91 | 71 | — | .562 | 48.9% | 28.3% | 77.1% | 6.9% | 0.0% | 23.2 |
| Atlanta Braves | 90 | 72 | 1 | .556 | 44.0% | 30.7% | 74.7% | 6.3% | 0.0% | 22.8 |
| Philadelphia Phillies | 81 | 81 | 10 | .500 | 4.8% | 13.2% | 18.0% | 0.9% | 0.0% | 15.0 |
| New York Mets | 78 | 84 | 13 | .481 | 1.9% | 6.3% | 8.2% | 0.4% | 0.0% | 12.4 |
| Miami Marlins | 74 | 88 | 17 | .457 | 0.4% | 1.9% | 2.3% | 0.1% | 0.3% | 9.4 |
The Nationals, for a change of pace, aren’t facing brutal free agent losses after the 2020 season, and ZiPS doesn’t have see anyone in the Mets farm system with an immediate chance to make good on what the team could lose in free agency. The team will have money to spend and will likely do something with the payroll room, but the Mets have a lot of work ahead of them and the loss of Syndergaard just makes that challenge tougher. If arbitration costs are identical to those for the 2020 roster, with player benefits, I guesstimate the Mets will start next offseason with a luxury tax payroll number of something around $150-160 million. And with Conforto a free agent after 2021, the Mets may have even less of a stomach for aggressive spending than they typically do.
For now, pretty much all of the questions in baseball revolve around the status of the 2020 season. But for the Mets, the 2021 questions have gotten a whole lot trickier.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
I guess they should have traded him. lolmets
I had the Mets at around 90-91 wins going into the season with Syndergaard but losing him is killer as their rotation takes a huge hit obviously. There’s a giant drop from Syndergaard to Wacha and I’m not sure that Wacha is even better than Peterson— who sports good fips in the minors along with excellent ground ball rates and added velocity this spring so I can see him being a nice asset here. If there’s no season all you got is eleven meh starts by Stroman while giving up a future top 100 prospect in Simeon Woods Richardson— who I really like and while I’m not that high on Kay he’d be ready to help now. There is also the disastrous Kelenic trade with Kay likely to be ready to contribute at least as a back end guy.
I believe in Nimmo and Conforto and think Conforto can get back to his 2017 level and if Nimmo stays relatively healthy he can put up a 130 wRC+ and be a four or so wat guy. McNeil and Alonso are stars and think McNeil can hit 30 homers in a full 162 game season whenever we have one. I think Davis should be solid just got to find him regular time if Ces comes back. You know Cano becomes all the more important with the offense needing to step up even more with a weakened rotation.
I am one of the few Mets fans that believes Lugo can be a very solid #3 starter as he has become a different pitcher in the bullpen tunneling his two fastballs and having a devastating curve that he’s paired well with his fastballs- I believe with the adjustments he’s made he can be a good starter.
I’m less optimistic about the Mets than I was especially without Syndergaard but I think the bullpen will be good question marks and all for once and led by the offense and deGrom gets them a wild card spot if there is a season.that all said, all the doubleheaders if there’s a season gets us lots of Walker Lockett starts and that could be a huge killer.
Hopefully the Mets get new owners by 2021 and bring in Betts and keeps the window open for the team.
the really bright side of this is that no tv or ops revenue means the Wilpons might have to move up the sale schedule. If Manfred were good at his job, they’d be tied with their feet to the fire right now.
Instead of giving them countless loans over the last decade plus we all know Selig and Manfred should have taken charge and forced them to sell.
Yeah I’m no Mets fan, but it’s crazy to me that they basically crowbarred the owner of the Dodgers out (and the Rangers) but let the Wilpons run one of their biggest market teams into the ground, let alone get deeply entangled in a ponzi scheme.
I think this serves as an important counter-argument to criticisms of players who exchange upside for security by signing early in their team control. The system in place is unfair, but we can’t fault players for operating within the system as it exists. The risk of injury or fall-off is very real, particularly for pitchers.
DeGrom seemingly lost out by signing an extension with the Mets in 2019, and Syndergaard clearly lost out by not signing one. But their situations could easily be reversed, and Syndergaard would be a big winner if he had cashed in before injury
A fair point that too many overlook. I still remember the Astros signing Jon Singleton to a $10M deal before he had ever put on a major league uni and that worked out great for him given that he completely flopped.
That said, the Albies deal is truly a bad deal for him.
Probably truer for pitchers than position players, but indeed worth considering!
ESPN is running a series of every team’s memorable one year wonders.
Names like Charboneau, Dilone, Plantier, Kevin Maas, etc.
Some were “surefire can’t miss” types that in today’s games might be get early deals but for a variety of reasons missed.
Long term deals always carry crash and burn potential, whether for young guys or free agents.
Stuff happens.
Wonder who the Braves will be. I think Evan Gattis was only there for a year, and he is super interesting.
It’s already been completed https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28941967/the-biggest-one-hit-wonders-every-national-league-team Buzz Capra
Of course it does and only fools refuse to accept the reality of this situation. Unless your name is Antoine Walker a paltry $60 million should be enough to tide you over when He Who Never Has Lost tells you it’s time to hang them up. Is there really any difference in a person’s quality of life if he has only $60 million instead of $204 million? I think not. Way back when basketballs were red, white and blue, the great David Thompson was being fought over by the NBA and the ABA. He signed with Denver for big money, but less than he could have received elsewhere. When asked why he said “You can only drive one Rolls-Royce at a time.” I find the people who refuse to accept the fact that lifetime security, locked in at an early age, is a sound reason for giving up the chance at even more money to be complete boors.
Why do we never see this logic applied to owners? They operate in billions not millions and do we see many of them splurging on payrolls? Are they dropping ticket prices so the cost to bring a family to a game is more affordable? How about drastically increasing the pay of minor leaguers so they can support themselves. It’s this one sided logic that undercuts players worker rights in every sport.
To start, the owners do not want that logic applied to them and are crazy good at getting what they want out of the masses. From there consider that many many pro athletes aren’t white, many are ESL speakers, are young (basically these first three make them the exact opposite of a pretty huge chunk of the US sports fanbase), we know at min their names and salaries, we can judge their performance with tons and tons of numbers built to help the owners make their case for why they should just keep the money maybe even be eligible for taxpayer money, employees don’t own the news or media, etc etc…They’ve ultra successfully divided the proles, who are too caught up in their own garbage to notice or care, and so we get the current state of labor in the world…I do not think this is isolated to sports
My comments read so sane
Why are the owners seen as bad guys in this debate? I am not a supporter of the owners. There are very few on this blog who have watched as many minor league games, in as many different ballparks, as I have and I can barely control my anger at the proposal to shrink the minor leagues. and there are other areas where they are completely wrong. I believe the way minor league players are compensated is a disgrace but that is comparing apples to this Clementine I am enjoying now. There is no debate that all long term contracts carry risk whether offered to Luis Robert, Jon Singleton or Chris Sale. Offering a young player an opportunity to gain lifetime security in exchange for possibly larger amounts of compensation later gives the player a fair and reasonable choice. This is simply a good business practice. No gun is being held to the players head and they know the situation. The well-known cliche “A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush” applies here. There only appears to be the deal struck by the Braves with Ozzie Albies that seems to be grossly out of line.
Because it makes absolutely no sense to apply it to the owners. We’re talking about risk for people who don’t already have vast amounts of money, not risks for people who do already have it
So it’s OK when you have tons of money already?
The way people twist their brains to defend these reptilians really is amazing
Luis Severino is now the poster child for that counter-argument. I’m shocked how many analytically-minded people don’t understand the business side of the long-term contract, whereby the player trades a relatively range-bound risk (actual annual value could be higher or lower depending on performance) for certainty (guaranteed dollars) while the team absorbs the totality of the injury risk and the performance variation. The team takes on the binary risk of injured/non-injured; the contract value has to be weighted for the severity of the impact of that binary risk.
Albies is a different story. That was highway robbery. Albies is an outlier for different reasons – a true outlier – a data point where either we don’t know the whole story, or he seemingly had 99th-percentile representation.
Indeed, everything is terrible
When I first heard the news, I couldn’t help but think about the timing and how it could affect his next contract.
This made me wonder if NY might be more inclined to work out a short-term extension, or even non-tender him.
Either way, a contract like Kikuchi’s might make sense for him and his respective club: Something with a respectable short-term guarantee and a team option for additional years at a value reflecting a successful return to form that defaults to a player option for a little more player protection.