Extending Juan Soto… All the Way to Cooperstown
With Fernando Tatis Jr. landing a massive, jaw-dropping contract extension last month, all eyes are now on the game’s other 22-year-old phenom and his next step. Juan Soto has hit at an historical level during his three seasons in the majors, landing himself on leaderboards among legends like Williams, Foxx, Hornsby, Cobb, and Trout. Reportedly, the Nationals intend to offer him a long-term extension, one that could in theory make him the game’s next $400 million man — a contract befitting a player who has already taken significant strides towards Cooperstown.
That may seem like hyperbole, but it’s not. Though Soto has played only one full 162-game season from among his three, the statistical history of players who have done what he’s done at such a young age overwhelmingly suggests a Hall of Fame-level career, and the projections based on his performance… well, we’ll get to those.
The Dominican-born Soto reached the majors on May 20, 2018, still more than five months shy of his 20th birthday. The next day, in his second major league plate appearance, he homered off the Padres’ Robbie Erlin, and he hasn’t stopped hitting, though he did his best to warp the space-time continuum by homering in the June 18 leg of a suspended game that began on May 15. Soto completed his rookie season with 22 homers and a .292/.406/.517 (146 wRC+) line, then followed up with a 34-homer, .282/.401/.548 (142 wRC+) full-season showing. In the pandemic-shortened season, he became not only the youngest player to win a batting title but also the youngest to win the slash-stat triple crown, hitting .351/.490/.695 (201 wRC+) with 13 homers.
Through his three seasons, Soto owns a 152 wRC+, the fifth-highest mark over that span behind Mike Trout (180), Christian Yelich (161), Alex Bregman (158), and Mookie Betts (157). That’s impressive enough, but what’s more impressive is the age-based comparison. Using OPS+ rather than wRC+ because I’m heading into the realm of my Hall of Fame work, here’s an updated version of the table I put together for my recent piece on Tatis:
| Rk | Player | Years | PA | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | PA After 21 | OPS+ After 21 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mike Trout* | 2011-2013 | 1490 | .314 | .404 | .544 | 166 | 4024 | 179 |
| 2 | Ted Williams+ | 1939-1940 | 1338 | .336 | .439 | .601 | 161 | 8454 | 196 |
| 3 | Albert Pujols* | 2001 | 676 | .329 | .403 | .610 | 157 | 11718 | 145 |
| 4 | Jimmie Foxx+ | 1925-1929 | 1302 | .342 | .436 | .579 | 157 | 8375 | 164 |
| 5 | Rogers Hornsby+ | 1915-1917 | 1200 | .316 | .372 | .455 | 155 | 8281 | 178 |
| 6 | Fernando Tatis Jr.* | 2019-2020 | 629 | .301 | .374 | .582 | 154 | ||
| 7 | Ty Cobb+ | 1905-1908 | 1836 | .324 | .362 | .440 | 153 | 11267 | 170 |
| 8 | Juan Soto* | 2018-2020 | 1349 | .295 | .415 | .557 | 151 | ||
| 9 | Hal Trosky Sr. | 1933-1934 | 732 | .327 | .385 | .590 | 148 | 5018 | 127 |
| 10 | Mel Ott+ | 1926-1930 | 2064 | .331 | .428 | .558 | 146 | 9284 | 157 |
| 11 | Mickey Mantle+ | 1951-1953 | 1552 | .295 | .384 | .497 | 145 | 8358 | 177 |
| 12 | Eddie Mathews+ | 1952-1953 | 1274 | .274 | .366 | .541 | 145 | 8827 | 143 |
| 13 | Frank Robinson+ | 1956-1957 | 1345 | .307 | .378 | .543 | 139 | 10399 | 156 |
| 14 | Ken Griffey Jr.+ | 1989-1991 | 1805 | .299 | .367 | .479 | 135 | 9499 | 136 |
| 15 | Tris Speaker+ | 1907-1909 | 755 | .290 | .341 | .406 | 134 | 11265 | 159 |
If you saw the earlier version of the table, you already know that’s some ridiculous company, with everybody besides Tatis and Soto already in the Hall of Fame or clearly on the way save for Trosky, a slugging first baseman whose career was derailed by persistent migraines. The part I added since the Tatis piece, the part that made me gasp and go, “holy ****!” over and over again while I assembled this, is what came after age 21. Ten of those 13 players who got off to outstanding starts actually improved from that point, and not by a little. The average member of the group jumped from a 149 OPS+ through his age-21 season to a 160 OPS+ over his next 8,828 plate appearances. The exceptions were Pujols, Trosky (for reasons already mentioned), and Mathews, the last of whom would have counted as moving in the right direction had I used wRC+ instead of OPS+.
(Note that if I raise the bar to 800 PA through the age-21 season, two of the three players who declined from 22 onward miss the cutoff and disappear from the subset of exceptions, while the next three guys who would appear in the table — Sherry Magee, Giancarlo Stanton, and Arky Vaughan — follow the pattern of improvement, climbing from a base of 131–133 OPS+ to greater heights. My reason for not going this route, however, is to capture the equivalent of a season worth of performance through age 21.)
All of which is to say that this Soto kid isn’t messing around, and the historical precedents suggest we haven’t even seen his peak. For what that might look like, I asked Dan Szymborski to provide a ZiPS projection for however many years it would take for him to descend to replacement level. Fasten your seatbelts and behold:
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | .305 | .420 | .595 | 528 | 122 | 161 | 37 | 141 | 105 | 107 | 19 | 160 | -2 | 6.3 |
| 2022 | .312 | .435 | .628 | 516 | 127 | 161 | 40 | 148 | 112 | 104 | 16 | 172 | -3 | 7.0 |
| 2023 | .311 | .441 | .647 | 515 | 131 | 160 | 43 | 153 | 120 | 108 | 17 | 178 | -3 | 7.5 |
| 2024 | .307 | .441 | .638 | 511 | 131 | 157 | 42 | 151 | 123 | 110 | 17 | 176 | -3 | 7.4 |
| 2025 | .306 | .446 | .645 | 504 | 132 | 154 | 43 | 152 | 128 | 111 | 17 | 179 | -4 | 7.5 |
| 2026 | .304 | .446 | .650 | 500 | 132 | 152 | 44 | 153 | 128 | 112 | 16 | 180 | -4 | 7.5 |
| 2027 | .300 | .443 | .648 | 486 | 128 | 146 | 43 | 148 | 125 | 110 | 16 | 179 | -4 | 7.1 |
| 2028 | .297 | .440 | .625 | 472 | 122 | 140 | 39 | 137 | 121 | 104 | 16 | 173 | -5 | 6.5 |
| 2029 | .297 | .439 | .620 | 455 | 116 | 135 | 37 | 131 | 115 | 95 | 14 | 172 | -5 | 6.1 |
| 2030 | .294 | .434 | .606 | 439 | 108 | 129 | 34 | 122 | 108 | 89 | 13 | 167 | -6 | 5.5 |
| 2031 | .294 | .425 | .568 | 405 | 84 | 119 | 26 | 92 | 93 | 74 | 12 | 156 | -6 | 4.6 |
| 2032 | .290 | .417 | .543 | 372 | 74 | 108 | 22 | 80 | 81 | 64 | 9 | 148 | -7 | 3.6 |
| 2033 | .286 | .406 | .507 | 343 | 64 | 98 | 18 | 67 | 69 | 56 | 7 | 136 | -7 | 2.5 |
| 2034 | .281 | .393 | .473 | 317 | 54 | 89 | 14 | 57 | 58 | 48 | 5 | 125 | -8 | 1.6 |
| 2035 | .274 | .378 | .442 | 292 | 46 | 80 | 11 | 47 | 48 | 41 | 4 | 113 | -9 | 0.7 |
| Ages 22-36 | .299 | .430 | .600 | 6655 | 1571 | 1989 | 493 | 1779 | 1534 | 1333 | 198 | 165 | -76 | 81.4 |
| Thru Age 21 | .295 | .415 | .557 | 1110 | 226 | 328 | 69 | 217 | 228 | 259 | 23 | 151 | -15 | 9.7 |
| Total Thru 36 | .298 | .428 | .593 | 7765 | 1797 | 2317 | 562 | 1996 | 1762 | 1592 | 221 | 163 | -91 | 91.1 |
That projection, which takes Soto from his age-22 through age-36 seasons, is so atmospheric that you can see the curvature of the earth, not to mention the point at which dollars-per-WAR projections break down. Soto projects to provide 28.2 WAR over his four remaining seasons prior to free agency (he’s a Super Two, entering 2021 with 2.134 years of service time), for which he won’t be paid full value, and then 53.2 WAR for the 11 years after that.
Taking an oversimplified approach to illustrate my point, if we assume Soto’s pre-arb salaries increase annually by $6.5 million from 2021 (he’s making $8.5 million) to 2024 ($28 million, $1 million more than the arb-period record set by Betts in 2018), he projects to make $73 million for the four-year period, or $2.59 million per win. Figure a flat $8 million per win thereafter, with no worrying about inflation, that’s $425.6 million, totaling $498.6 million for those two estimates — call it half a billion dollars worth of performance. Separately, the ZiPS model comes in at $488 million, using $7 million per win for his arbitration years and discounted heavily, and then $8 million per win.
Soto isn’t going to be guaranteed half a billion dollars in his next contract, because Trout, who averaged 9.1 WAR for seven years before getting his extension, didn’t get half a billion dollars. Trout was older, but he also had a higher established level of performance and projected to produce 67.7 WAR over the life of his 12-year, $426.5-million deal for ages 27–39. As Craig Edwards wrote in connection with that deal two years ago, he’ll cost something like $4–5 million per win over that span if he lives up to the projection.
(In an aside, Dan pointed out to me that after Trout’s earth-shaking 2012 rookie season, he projected to produce 63.1 WAR from 2013 to ’19, whereas he delivered 62.4. We at FanGraphs promise to crack the whip so he can reduce that one-run-per-year error to zero.)
In a partial answer to the question Kevin Goldstein recently posed, Soto should be the game’s first $400 million player on merit — or the next one, depending upon the semantics used in discussing Trout’s total $426.5 million package. He’s a Scott Boras client, however, which not only decreases the odds of his accepting a pre-free agency offer but also increases the likelihood of a more complicated contract offer that includes opt outs and (this being the Nationals) deferred money. When Stephen Strasburg, another Boras client, agreed to a seven-year $175 million extension in May 2016, that deal included $70 million of interest-free deferrals, lowering the present-day value to $162 million, as well as opt-outs after 2019 and ’20 that accelerated the payment schedule of the deferrals. He exercised the 2019 opt-out after banking $65 million for the first three years and then re-signed for seven years and $245 million, taking the 10-year haul to $310 million, unadjusted for deferrals.
I don’t want to dwell on dollars, deferrals, and discount rates, though. We’ll save the remainder of that discussion for when Soto either formally receives an extension offer or agrees to one. I want to return to the historic, Hall of Fame-related implications of his projection.
Though our projected Soto wouldn’t be anywhere close to 3,000 hits by the end of his age-36 season, he’d almost assuredly have clinched a spot in Cooperstown. Through 2035, he projects to hit 562 home runs (which would rank 15th today), to walk 1,762 times (seventh today), and to rank sixth all-time in slugging percentage, in a virtual tie for eighth in on-base percentage, and 11th in OPS+. He’d be fifth all-time among left fielders in career WAR (91.1), peak WAR (50.5), and JAWS (70.8), trailing only Barry Bonds, Ted Williams, Rickey Henderson, and Carl Yastrzemski.
Unless he had declined even more drastically than the projection above suggests, Soto would probably stick around even longer, perhaps to chase 600 home runs at the expense of his rate stats. But if he were to walk away at that point, his career would line up alarmingly well with that of Foxx (who played through his age-37 season after making just 15 appearances over the previous two years), with elements of Mantle (who limped away after his age-36 season) thrown in, but hopefully without the pair’s career-limiting combination of injuries and booze:
| Player | PA | H | HR | SB | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mantle | 9910 | 2415 | 536 | 153 | .298 | .421 | .557 | 172 | 110.2 |
| Foxx | 9677 | 2646 | 534 | 87 | .325 | .428 | .609 | 163 | 93.1 |
| Soto (Proj.) | 9527 | 2317 | 562 | 221 | .298 | .428 | .593 | 163 | 91.1 |
Admittedly, it’s more Jimmie than Mickey, whose batting average and stolen base totals bear a more superficial resemblance to Soto’s projections, but whose ability to stick in center field for 14 of his 18 seasons puts him miles ahead in value. If Soto is the second coming of Double X, then we are in for a treat.
The wild card here, beyond the possibility of injuries derailing Soto, is defense. Through 306 games and 2,646.2 defensive innings — two seasons worth of time — he’s 7.6 runs below average according to UZR, and 15 below average according to DRS. The ZiPS projection, which blends DRS and UZR, is far more forgiving than my own mental math, because the doom-and-gloom scenario I can’t chase away is that of a player who’s a few runs per year less valuable in the near term, and a full-time DH by the time he’s 30. Towards that end, I put this together:
| Year | Age | DR ZiPS | Pos Adj | dWAR | WAR ZiPS | DR Jay | Pos Adj | dWAR | WAR Jay |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 22 | -2 | -7 | -0.9 | 6.3 | -6 | -7 | -1.3 | 5.9 |
| 2022 | 23 | -3 | -7 | -1.0 | 7.0 | -7 | -7 | -1.4 | 6.6 |
| 2023 | 24 | -3 | -7 | -1.0 | 7.5 | -7 | -7 | -1.4 | 7.1 |
| 2024 | 25 | -3 | -7 | -1.0 | 7.4 | -8 | -7 | -1.5 | 6.9 |
| 2025 | 26 | -4 | -7 | -1.1 | 7.5 | -9 | -7 | -1.6 | 7.0 |
| 2026 | 27 | -4 | -7 | -1.1 | 7.5 | -9 | -7 | -1.6 | 7.0 |
| 2027 | 28 | -4 | -7 | -1.1 | 7.1 | -9 | -7 | -1.6 | 6.6 |
| 2028 | 29 | -5 | -7 | -1.2 | 6.5 | 0 | -15 | -1.5 | 6.2 |
| 2029 | 30 | -5 | -7 | -1.2 | 6.1 | 0 | -15 | -1.5 | 5.8 |
| 2030 | 31 | -6 | -7 | -1.3 | 5.5 | 0 | -15 | -1.5 | 5.3 |
| 2031 | 32 | -6 | -7 | -1.3 | 4.6 | 0 | -15 | -1.5 | 4.4 |
| 2032 | 33 | -7 | -7 | -1.4 | 3.6 | 0 | -15 | -1.5 | 3.5 |
| 2033 | 34 | -7 | -7 | -1.4 | 2.5 | 0 | -15 | -1.5 | 2.4 |
| 2034 | 35 | -8 | -7 | -1.5 | 1.6 | 0 | -15 | -1.5 | 1.6 |
| 2035 | 36 | -9 | -7 | -1.6 | 0.7 | 0 | -15 | -1.5 | 0.8 |
| ages 22-36 | -76 | -105 | -18.1 | 81.4 | -55 | -169 | -22.4 | 77.1 | |
| ages 19-21 | -15 | -12 | -2.9 | 9.7 | -15 | -12 | -2.9 | 9.7 | |
| Total thru 36 | -91 | -117 | -21 | 91.1 | -70 | -181 | -25.3 | 86.8 |
As the per-150-game midpoint of Soto’s DRS-UZR average is about six runs, I began by subtracting an additional four runs off of Soto’s next three seasons, accelerated the decline to five runs across the next four, and turned him into a DH thereafter, capping his defensive WAR (defensive runs plus B-Ref’s positional adjustments, either -7 runs for left field or -15 runs for DH) and then docking his forecasts accordingly. As illustrated, the cost here is about five wins over the course of his career through his age-36 season, which still yields 86.8 career WAR, 41.2 peak WAR and 64.0 JAWS — still fifth in the rankings but much closer to the fifth-ranked Pete Rose (62.3, and yes, this is the position where he slots based upon where he had top value) than Yaz (78.2). Obviously, that’s still a clear Hall of Famer unless Soto is dumb enough to bet on baseball.
It’s downright dizzying to consider a player at these heights, or to peer so far into the future that questions of one’s own mortality start to encroach (I’ll be 71 at our projected Soto’s induction in 2041, no doubt yelling at clouds). Yet based on the weight of the historical precedents, that’s where the 22-year-old slugger appears headed, and as I said in connection to Tatis, the fun of it is that we actually get to watch and enjoy his talents.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
Juan Soto has played two seasons, not three. He played 70% of a season in 2018 and played in 29% of a season last year.
Like Tatis, Jr., Soto has entered the game where there’s a juiced ball contributing to a spike in offensive production. I fear a lot of projection models aren’t quite taking this into account.
WAR and the + stats are relative to the performance of everyone in baseball, which is why the projections don’t have to account for factors like whether there’s a juiced ball.
Technically, a juiced ball doesn’t have to affect all players equally. Stanton doesn’t hit many wall-scraper home runs, so a juiced ball might not affect his totals much. Other players seem to have warning track power and a tiny bit extra turns fly ball outs into homeruns. Not arguing this is Soto at all, but it is at least a consideration.
That would also be true about park effects, which would be an interesting line of analysis, even if I’m skeptical that there is enough heterogeneity among plausible batted ball profiles for this to make a noticeable difference in a player’s overall performance/value.
Go back under the bridge you came from troll
SO weird there are so many downvotes. He said nothing rude, and guy below corrected. It isn’t a crazy thought to have. Jeezus
I think the comment seems trollish because the article is based on plate appearances, so the “seasons” comment is irrelevant. Indisputably, however, he has played in three seasons. Making the seasons comment more irrelevant, Soto had about 1400 plate appearances before age 21, exactly like the players he is being compared to.
Finally, Soto’s value is not as a pull crazy home run hitter. He hits to all fields and hits line drives. If anything, I would bet a juiced ball actually hurts his WRC+, because other hitting styles benefit more.
(… so, there’s this chat scheduled for @ an-hour-and-a-half from now; just sayin’; actually more curious about it rather than “!I deserve a CHAT!!”)
Actually, Pujols improved upon his age 21 OPS+ over his next 9,226 plate appearances (2002-2015 seasons). It’s when you include the 2,492 plate appearances from 2016 on that Pujols fall short.
Lou Gehrig had more WAR in his age 37+ seasons than Pujols.
Me too.
How much skepticism is there about Pujols’ age? If he wasn’t really 21 then he just comes off the list and the comparisons look a little different
I have some.
US State Department was pretty thorough, in the wake of 9/11, about going back and quadruple checking birth records and identities. A decent number of MLB and MiLB players did have their ages corrected. Pujols was not one of them.
I’ve never seen that point brought up in this discussion. Thanks for bringing it up- I was totally unaware that process had happened and impacted big leaguers
Great article! When doing the research, where can someone see long term future ZIPs projections? For instance, I would love to see the comparison between Juan Soto and Ronald Acuna through 2035.
Pujols is also two years older than listed, so… 😬
I know this is a bit troll-y, but I think this is a pretty important point. And we know it isnt just him. Based on career trajectory, it seems likely the same is true about Miggy. I know we have to take these guys at their word for now, but I have great difficulty getting too excited about Soto when its far more likely that instead of being one of the greatest young players of all time, he is mere an excellent player who is still possibly on a trajectory towards the HOF, without being one of the greatest ever.
I’m unsure. He certainly looks older. He certainly moved up incredibly quickly, almost like they know something other people didn’t. But this isn’t like Pujols where there is a lot of circumstantial evidence, including his own words that make you think he is older. Soto comes from an era where it was a lot harder to fake, and they have documents from him/school photos where he didn’t look older. I mean, who knows. But I’d say Pujols= near certainty. Miggy= probably not, but maybe? He didn’t look old when he came up. Soto= unlikely.
It’s hard to think Miggy was older coming up, he looked young for the age he’s listed at!
And looks are all that matters! LOL. Pujols was balding early, and that NEVER happens, and then that Marlins guy said so, so he’s 50 years old! Jeezus
Also after the Jim Bowden scandal the Nats in particular cracked down on Latin America player-signing shenanigans so one would imagine they are especially careful about that stuff.
wait…let me understand what you’re saying. you think its far more likely hes lying about his age than it is him just being this young and this good???
not saying youre wrong necessarily. its honestly something i hadn’t thought about til just now. is this the consensus opinion? i would have expected the converse to be true. that theres only a small chance his age is wrong. im interested to hear others thoughts on this.
A career OPS+ of 163 would tie for 11th of all time.
Median projection going into his age 22 season.
Wow. Just wow.
I’d hammer the under hard on 221 stolen bases…
Lol, that does seem very optimistic (even if Soto gets on base an awful lot). If you look at that other Nats prodigy, Bryce Harper has averaged about 12 steals per 600 PA through his age 28 season, and I wouldn’t say Soto has any leg up on Harper for either speed or base-stealing prowess.
Harper is not Soto in anyway! He is a about 2/3 Soto
While I agree that Soto is better, Harper tapped a new level last season and just got unlucky via batted ball. He cut his K rate massively and changed his swing plane which had caused him massive variance in his career. It wouldn’t shock me to see Harper outperform Soto. But yes, I still prefer Soto.
Eh, on speed, sure. Harper is the faster runner and the better athlete overall. But Soto is smarter and the more cerebral player. Harper – especially before he had his injuries – ran around like a kid with his hair on fire. Great player and super exciting to watch, but clearly playing entirely by instinct.
Soto, on the other hand, seems to be way more focussed on the decision-making aspects of the game. Stealing bases is about so much more than sprint speed. And I could see Soto becoming excellent at picking his spots, learning and exploiting pitchers’ and catchers’ tendencies, etc.
And just by the data he’s already a better base-stealer than Harper, with about an ~82% success rate compared to ~73% for Harper. (And it’s not just that Harper bulked up and slowed down in his mid-20s – he had a slightly lower success rate through his age 21 season.)
Whether that ever translates into Soto making a serious attempt at stealing bases, who knows, of course. I’d bet that Soto and the Nats would prioritize improving his defense over stealing 25 instead of 12 bases a season. But he’s adequately fast, and he’s exactly the kind of player who could think his way to a surprising SB total.
Agree with this but just to point that he only needs to steal 16 bases a year to get to the projection. The projection has him declining to low single digits by age 36 season. It just doesn’t seem like an outlandish projection. 16/year is like 25% less, on a rate basis, than even last year.
Trout’s at 200, with multiple 30+ seasons, and seems to have hit the breaks hard on it with only 12 steals in the last 840 PA. Trout stole a ton in the minors, stole a ton in his early years. Only 2 attempts in the short season. We’ll see if he jumps back to the 11/600 rate with a full season that he did in 2019.
Soto has been neither of those things. He might have a decent steady state he can keep into his 30s though.
I think we’re in a pretty passive era on it, so we’ll see if it returns.
It’s not exactly rocket science that big dudes slow down more as they traverse their 20s than skinny dudes. Look at the list of who has 200 stolen bases since 2000. Almost all skinnier dudes. I don’t even trust that Soto has it in him to regularly steal 20 bags for the next few years, and even if he did, I’d guess that like other larger guys who actually did steal bases early in their careers, that it slows down considerably. And that’s before talking about the injury risks and how it just isn’t worth it to steal bases when you have a top-3 bat in MLB. Too much risk of lost value at the plate.
Mark me down for significantly more downside on the defense too. He’s at -15 through his age 21 season, yet he’s only going to be -76 over the next 15 years? Okay.
Ignoring the defensive comparisons (hopefully), he could have a career that looks a lot like Frank Thomas.
Thomas, or Miggy 2.0.
Great piece (and series).
Jay, I did want to encourage you to think about the use of the phrase “crack the whip” given the historical context it may originate from in this country. I wouldn’t point it out if not for the fact that your past commentary makes me you think would be receptive to the feedback.
Fair point. However on an internet research level it seems that the phrase origins at least has to do with horse drawn wagons, and nothing more nepharious.
Great article, Jay Jaffe is a national treasure.
Projecting a player to hit 562 home runs….I mean, that is truly incredible. If Soto stays healthy, he is going to be an inner circle, first ballot HOFer. I know we live in an era of inflated home run totals, but holy crap, 562 is a CRAZY projection.
So yeah, I’d give him the 400 million over 12 years or whatever. I’d give him basically anything he wants.
1349 PA. Two full seasons, that’s it.
221 SB? Under, please.
562 HR? Depends as much on what they do/don’t do with the ball as it does on Soto.
Some poor bugger named George Ruth had 20 dingers in his first 789 PA. Once the ball was less of a soggy sponge of pitcher-spit, turns out George could hit a little.
No one is crowning Soto yet, but I do want to see your examples of baseball players, in any era, starting like Soto and not being exceptional. Given your skepticism, I would expect you to find many strong starters out of tens of thousands, that eventually sputtered out. Hint: they are in the table above.
Great article! One thing I wonder is whether improved training at the amateur level might not only have shifted the aging curve (as many have argued) but also made this kind of historical comparison less predictive? I hope Soto can keep up what he showed in 2020, though, he’s a treat and a half to watch.
I’m sure this is partially true, yet its also true that the only comparisons to Soto so far are a handful of inner inner circle hall of famers.
Let me be like the millionth person to say that there is no one in baseball I have more fun watching in the batter’s box than Juan Soto. Watching Soto take a four pitch walk is more exciting than watching most players hit a 400 foot home run.
100% this. And I’m a Mets fan who is temperamentally disposed to hate everything Washington Nationals. Soto is in my top three favorite players to watch, along with Jacob deGrom and Javier Baez.
Waking up to a Hal Trosky reference was delightful. His career arc was fascinating.