FanGraphs 2021 Staff Predictions
Well, after a winter spent fretting over the pandemic and the free agent market’s glacial pace (and what both might mean for baseball), the 2021 season is upon us. We made it. And on this, the morning of Opening Day, we engage in our annual tradition of asking our staff to open themselves up to public ridicule and predict the year in baseball. Some of these predictions will prove to be prescient; others will make their forecaster feel a little silly. Despite the 11th-hour format switcheroo, the FanGraphs staff ended up doing pretty well when it came to last year’s playoff field, though with eight teams in each league advancing to the postseason, the odds were in our favor. Still, with the exception of the Marlins (we thought the Nationals would do a better job defending their World Series title) and the Blue Jays (whither the Angels we picked instead?), we had October pretty well pegged. The 2020 individual awards? A big goose egg! Such is the prognostication business.
Folks from FanGraphs and RotoGraphs weighed in; here are the results.
American League
The American League once again appears to be stratified into the haves and the yet-to-arrives, though our writers see two of the three divisions as competitive at the top. Twenty of our voters submitted ballots with Houston and New York as division winners; their Central votes were split between the Minnesota (12 votes) and Chicago (eight). Meanwhile, four teams received no playoff votes (the Mariners, Rangers, Tigers, and Orioles), while two more (Royals and Red Sox) received just one. I expected Kansas City to be a more popular sleeper pick. I’m don’t think they’re ready to compete in earnest with the AL’s other Wild Card contenders, but they certainly seem to think they are, and it’s always good to have a little zag in a ballot full of zig. Better luck next year, Royals.
The Yankees were the AL’s only unanimous selection and dominated the East divisional vote. But the Blue Jays, who only received Wild Card consideration in last year’s version of this exercise, got four division-winning votes and did well further down the ballot, a recognition of their offseason additions and promising core. There are two ways we might think about the staff’s view of the Rays. On the one hand, we’re clear skeptics, with only three of us picking the reigning AL pennant winner to win their division; losing Blake Snell and Charlie Morton can have that effect. On the other hand, our playoff odds project Tampa Bay to finish fourth in the division, and our crowd’s wisdom puts them ahead of the Red Sox (whose postseason chances are better) by quite a bit, suggesting confidence in the Rays’ vaunted depth and skepticism of a Sox squad still finding its footing after the Mookie Betts trade.
The Astros lost George Springer to free agency and have seen attrition in both their bullpen and rotation this spring (though they did sign Jake Odorizzi to help pick up the slack), which probably explains why the Angels were such popular picks in the West. Their rebuilt rotation no doubt helps, as does having been able to replace Andrelton Simmons with José Iglesias, but if I had to guess, it was the trio of Mike Trout, Anthony Rendon, and Shohei Ohtani that moved voters. Here it is probably worth remarking on the relative scarcity of the A’s. That isn’t necessarily surprising; despite winning the division in 2020, Liam Hendriks and Marcus Semien both departed for more lucrative climes this winter, and their playoff odds sit at just 33.1%. Still, that’s better than the Rays’ showing (25.5%) and Tampa received 12 more votes.
Cleveland, which had appeared on 100% of ballots in one form or another since 2016, received just two votes this year. Supplanting them are the White Sox and Twins. We peg Chicago to take the division here (just barely), while in our projections, it is flipped, with Minnesota enjoying a 2.4 win margin and doing even better by the playoff odds (48.8% to win the division verses Chicago’s 31.4%).
| Team | Division | Wild Card 1 | Wild Card 2 | Playoffs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Houston | 22 | 5 | 1 | 28 |
| Los Angeles | 15 | 3 | 5 | 23 |
| Oakland | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| Seattle | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Texas | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Team | Division | Wild Card 1 | Wild Card 2 | Playoffs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chicago | 19 | 1 | 11 | 31 |
| Minnesota | 18 | 8 | 7 | 33 |
| Cleveland | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| Kansas City | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Detroit | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Team | Division | Wild Card 1 | Wild Card 2 | Playoffs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| New York | 31 | 6 | 1 | 38 |
| Toronto | 4 | 8 | 5 | 17 |
| Tampa Bay | 3 | 6 | 5 | 14 |
| Boston | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Baltimore | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
National League
Well this is going to be fun. Two National League teams received unanimous support from our voters… and they’re in the same division. It isn’t just that the Dodgers and Padres are deep and talented and set to face off 19 times; it’s that between them, they also netted 37 of votes for the first Wild Card. The Braves and Mets have a similar relationship with the second Wild Card, with the two teams claiming 33 of the votes for the last playoff spot. Indeed, of all the teams to receive a Wild Card vote, only one went to a team — the Marlins — that hadn’t also gotten at least one division vote.
Things are less rosy at the bottom of the NL West, where all three of the remaining teams failed to secure a single playoff vote; the same is true of the Pirates in the Central. Speaking of the Central, the concentration of votes in the Brewers and Cardinals might suggest a race like that in the East, but a quick glance at Wild Card columns speaks to the difference. Someone has to win the division, of course, and it isn’t as if Central is devoid of talented players, or lacked for the acquisition of a star player this offseason (hello, Nolan Arenado!). But the division didn’t receive a single Wild Card vote, suggesting our staff was aware of the top teams’ projected win totals (82.8 for the Brewers, 80.7 for the Cardinals) and the mediocrity of the others and saw more deserving squads elsewhere.
The super team phenomena is even stronger here than in the NL, but something about it sits a little differently, perhaps due to the spirit behind the division rivalries.
| Team | Division | Wild Card 1 | Wild Card 2 | Playoffs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles | 31 | 7 | 0 | 38 |
| San Diego | 7 | 30 | 1 | 38 |
| Arizona | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Colorado | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| San Francisco | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Team | Division | Wild Card 1 | Wild Card 2 | Playoffs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Milwaukee | 19 | 0 | 0 | 19 |
| St. Louis | 15 | 0 | 0 | 15 |
| Cincinnati | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Chicago | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Pittsburgh | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Team | Division | Wild Card 1 | Wild Card 2 | Playoffs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Atlanta | 17 | 1 | 16 | 34 |
| New York | 15 | 0 | 17 | 32 |
| Washington | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 |
| Philadelphia | 2 | 0 | 1 | 3 |
| Miami | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Individual Awards
It isn’t terribly surprising to see Mike Trout occupy the top spot here; he boasts baseball’s best projection, whether by ZiPS or Steamer. It is a little surprising to see Ohtani in second place, but then if he’s able to pull off a healthy, productive season as a two-way player, seven votes might seem light. After all, those home runs went awfully far and that splitter looked awfully good this spring.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Mike Trout | 22 |
| Shohei Ohtani | 7 |
| Giancarlo Stanton | 2 |
| Anthony Rendon | 2 |
| Randy Arozarena | 1 |
| Alex Bregman | 1 |
| Rafael Devers | 1 |
| José Ramírez | 1 |
| George Springer | 1 |
Cole struggled with the long ball last season (his 1.73 HR/9 was a career worst) and his peripherals were less sterling than usual, but I’m willing to chalk that up to the vagaries of the short season. Lucas Giolito actually projects better by ZiPS than Cole, though they’re separating by a 10th of a win, just as they’re separated by just one vote here.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Gerrit Cole | 11 |
| Lucas Giolito | 10 |
| Shane Bieber | 7 |
| Kenta Maeda | 3 |
| Tyler Glasnow | 2 |
| Hyun Jin Ryu | 2 |
| Zack Greinke | 1 |
| Jesús Luzardo | 1 |
| Lance Lynn | 1 |
Randy Arozarena posted a .281/.382/.641, 176 wRC+ line in 76 PA last year, then followed it up with a .377/.442/.831, 239 wRC+ postseason showing that was actually 10 PA longer. It probably won’t look quite like that again this season, but Arozarena plus regression is still a hell of a player. I should note that there was one ballot with Arozarena as both the MVP and ROY, a feat achieved only twice in MLB history: Fred Lynn in 1975 and Ichiro Suzuki in 2001.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Randy Arozarena | 18 |
| Jarred Kelenic | 6 |
| Andrew Vaughn | 5 |
| Bobby Dalbec | 3 |
| Alex Kirilloff | 2 |
| Wander Franco | 1 |
| Nick Madrigal | 1 |
| Tarik Skubal | 1 |
| Taylor Trammell | 1 |
In his brief major league career, Juan Soto has posted a .295/.415/.557, 152 wRC+ line and accrued 11 WAR; he’s 22. Jay Jaffe recently wrote about his Cooperstown trajectory, and some MVP hardware would surely help the cause. Behind him is a murderer’s row of the game’s best young talent. We’re so lucky to be watching baseball right now.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Juan Soto | 15 |
| Fernando Tatis Jr. | 7 |
| Ronald Acuña Jr. | 7 |
| Mookie Betts | 4 |
| Nolan Arenado | 1 |
| Cody Bellinger | 1 |
| Bryce Harper | 1 |
| Corey Seager | 1 |
| Trea Turner | 1 |
This is starting to feel as automatic as Clayton Kershaw used to. Not that deGrom always wins the Cy Young — he doesn’t. But he very often feels like he should, or at least could. And he’s throwing harder now.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Jacob deGrom | 27 |
| Yu Darvish | 3 |
| Trevor Bauer | 2 |
| Walker Buehler | 1 |
| Jack Flaherty | 1 |
| Kyle Hendricks | 1 |
| Aaron Nola | 1 |
| Marcus Stroman | 1 |
| Brandon Woodruff | 1 |
Much like Arozarena, there are elements of Hayes’ game that seem unsustainable. He almost certainly won’t slug .682 or run a .450 BABIP again. But the seventh ranked prospect on Eric Longenhagen’s pre-season Top 100 is, “a potential Gold Glove defender who continues to progress offensively with an improved approach and more power.” Sounds pretty award-worthy.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Ke’Bryan Hayes | 20 |
| Sixto Sánchez | 6 |
| Ian Anderson | 6 |
| Dylan Carlson | 3 |
| Ha-seong Kim | 1 |
| Cristian Pache | 1 |
| Tyler Stephenson | 1 |
That’s the whole shebang. Each voter’s full ballot for each league is below. These tables, like the ones above, are sortable. We’ll check in on how close to right we were when the season wraps up, and look forward to writing about all of the ways we end up being surprised in the meantime. We hope you’ll tag along. Happy Opening Day, everyone!
| Author Name | West | Central | East | WC1 | WC2 | MVP | Cy Young | ROY |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alex Chamberlain | HOU | MIN | NYY | CHW | TOR | Trout | Ryu | Arozarena |
| Alex Sonty | LAA | CHW | NYY | HOU | MIN | Trout | Bieber | Vaughn |
| Ariel Cohen | HOU | CHW | NYY | MIN | TOR | Devers | Glasnow | Dalbec |
| Ashley MacLennan | LAA | CHW | TBR | NYY | MIN | Trout | Giolito | Arozarena |
| Ben Clemens | HOU | CHW | NYY | BOS | MIN | Bregman | Giolito | Vaughn |
| Brendan Gawlowski | LAA | CLE | NYY | TOR | CHW | J Ramírez | Cole | Arozarena |
| Carmen Ciardiello | HOU | MIN | NYY | LAA | CLE | Trout | Cole | Vaughn |
| Chad Young | HOU | MIN | NYY | LAA | TBR | Stanton | Maeda | Trammell |
| Chet Gutwein | LAA | CHW | NYY | HOU | MIN | Ohtani | Ryu | Skubal |
| Dan Szymborski | HOU | MIN | NYY | TBR | CHW | Trout | Giolito | Arozarena |
| Dave McDonald | HOU | CHW | NYY | TBR | MIN | Arozarena | Bieber | Arozarena |
| David Laurila | LAA | CHW | NYY | MIN | TBR | Ohtani | Maeda | Dalbec |
| Devan Fink | LAA | CHW | NYY | MIN | HOU | Ohtani | Giolito | Kelenic |
| Dylan Higgins | LAA | MIN | TOR | NYY | CHW | Ohtani | Bieber | Vaughn |
| Eric Longenhagen | OAK | CHW | TBR | NYY | LAA | Trout | Luzardo | Arozarena |
| Jake Mailhot | LAA | MIN | NYY | HOU | CHW | Trout | Cole | Kelenic |
| Jason Martinez | LAA | MIN | TOR | NYY | CHW | Rendon | Cole | Arozarena |
| Jay Jaffe | LAA | CHW | NYY | TOR | MIN | Trout | Cole | Arozarena |
| Jeff Zimmerman | HOU | CHW | TBR | MIN | NYY | Stanton | Greinke | Kirilloff |
| Jeffrey Bellone | LAA | CHW | NYY | HOU | TOR | Trout | Cole | Kelenic |
| Jon Becker | HOU | MIN | NYY | TOR | LAA | Trout | Giolito | Dalbec |
| Jon Tayler | HOU | MIN | NYY | TBR | CHW | Trout | Cole | Arozarena |
| Justin Choi | HOU | MIN | NYY | TBR | LAA | Rendon | Bieber | Vaughn |
| Justin Mason | LAA | CHW | NYY | MIN | TBR | Trout | Cole | Kelenic |
| Justin Vibber | LAA | CHW | NYY | HOU | MIN | Trout | Bieber | Kirilloff |
| Kevin Goldstein | HOU | CHW | NYY | MIN | TOR | Trout | Cole | Arozarena |
| Lucas Kelly | HOU | CHW | NYY | TOR | TBR | Ohtani | Giolito | Arozarena |
| Luke Hooper | HOU | MIN | NYY | LAA | CHW | Trout | Giolito | Kelenic |
| Matthew Roberson | HOU | CHW | NYY | MIN | KCR | Trout | Glasnow | Madrigal |
| Meg Rowley | LAA | MIN | NYY | TOR | CHW | Trout | Giolito | Arozarena |
| Mike Podhorzer | HOU | MIN | NYY | TOR | LAA | Trout | Bieber | Arozarena |
| Nicklaus Gaut | LAA | MIN | TOR | NYY | CHW | Trout | Bieber | Arozarena |
| Owen McGrattan | HOU | CHW | NYY | TBR | OAK | Trout | Cole | Arozarena |
| Paul Sporer | HOU | MIN | NYY | TOR | LAA | Ohtani | Lynn | Arozarena |
| RJ McDaniel | HOU | CHW | NYY | MIN | TOR | Ohtani | Giolito | Arozarena |
| Sara Sanchez | HOU | MIN | TOR | NYY | CHW | Trout | Giolito | Franco |
| Tess Taruskin | HOU | MIN | NYY | TBR | CHW | Trout | Cole | Kelenic |
| Tony Wolfe | HOU | MIN | NYY | TOR | TBR | Springer | Maeda | Arozarena |
| Author Name | West | Central | East | WC1 | WC2 | MVP | Cy Young | ROY |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alex Chamberlain | LAD | MIL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Soto | deGrom | Kim |
| Alex Sonty | LAD | MIL | ATL | SDP | WSN | Betts | deGrom | S. Sánchez |
| Ariel Cohen | LAD | MIL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Soto | deGrom | Hayes |
| Ashley MacLennan | LAD | STL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Tatis | deGrom | Hayes |
| Ben Clemens | LAD | STL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Betts | Darvish | Carlson |
| Brendan Gawlowski | LAD | CIN | ATL | SDP | PHI | Tatis | Darvish | Stephenson |
| Carmen Ciardiello | LAD | STL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Soto | Flaherty | Hayes |
| Chad Young | LAD | STL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Bellinger | deGrom | Anderson |
| Chet Gutwein | LAD | MIL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Acuña | deGrom | Hayes |
| Dan Szymborski | LAD | STL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Soto | deGrom | S. Sánchez |
| Dave McDonald | LAD | MIL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Soto | Bauer | Hayes |
| David Laurila | SDP | STL | ATL | LAD | MIA | Acuña | deGrom | Hayes |
| Devan Fink | LAD | MIL | PHI | SDP | NYM | Harper | deGrom | S. Sánchez |
| Dylan Higgins | SDP | MIL | NYM | LAD | ATL | Betts | deGrom | Hayes |
| Eric Longenhagen | LAD | STL | ATL | SDP | NYM | T. Turner | Stroman | Hayes |
| Jake Mailhot | LAD | STL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Acuña | Darvish | Hayes |
| Jason Martinez | SDP | STL | NYM | LAD | ATL | Arenado | deGrom | Hayes |
| Jay Jaffe | LAD | MIL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Acuña | deGrom | Anderson |
| Jeff Zimmerman | LAD | CHC | PHI | ATL | SDP | Seager | deGrom | Anderson |
| Jeffrey Bellone | LAD | STL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Acuña | deGrom | S. Sánchez |
| Jon Becker | LAD | MIL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Soto | deGrom | Hayes |
| Jon Tayler | LAD | STL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Acuña | deGrom | Hayes |
| Justin Choi | LAD | MIL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Tatis | Nola | Anderson |
| Justin Mason | LAD | MIL | WSN | SDP | ATL | Soto | deGrom | Hayes |
| Justin Vibber | SDP | MIL | NYM | LAD | WSN | Soto | Bauer | Anderson |
| Kevin Goldstein | LAD | MIL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Soto | deGrom | Anderson |
| Lucas Kelly | LAD | STL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Tatis | deGrom | Pache |
| Luke Hooper | LAD | MIL | WSN | SDP | ATL | Soto | Woodruff | Hayes |
| Matthew Roberson | SDP | STL | NYM | LAD | ATL | Tatis | deGrom | S. Sánchez |
| Meg Rowley | LAD | MIL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Tatis | deGrom | Hayes |
| Mike Podhorzer | LAD | MIL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Soto | deGrom | Hayes |
| Nicklaus Gaut | LAD | CIN | WSN | SDP | NYM | Soto | deGrom | Hayes |
| Owen McGrattan | LAD | MIL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Betts | deGrom | Carlson |
| Paul Sporer | LAD | MIL | WSN | SDP | NYM | Soto | Buehler | Carlson |
| RJ McDaniel | LAD | STL | NYM | SDP | ATL | Tatis | deGrom | Hayes |
| Sara Sanchez | SDP | CHC | ATL | LAD | NYM | Soto | Hendricks | S. Sánchez |
| Tess Taruskin | LAD | MIL | ATL | SDP | NYM | Acuña | deGrom | Hayes |
| Tony Wolfe | SDP | STL | ATL | LAD | NYM | Soto | deGrom | Hayes |
Meg is the editor-in-chief of FanGraphs and the co-host of Effectively Wild. Prior to joining FanGraphs, her work appeared at Baseball Prospectus, Lookout Landing, and Just A Bit Outside. You can follow her on Bluesky @megrowler.fangraphs.com.
Ben I appreciate you carrying the hopes of Red Sox Nation on your shoulders
I don’t know who will be “right” or “wrong,” I just want to live in the world David Laurila envisions.
In hindsight, it is kind of crazy that no one at FanGraphs predicted Freeman, Abreu, Bieber, Bauer, Lewis, or Williams last year for the big awards. I guess most of those aren’t too surprising, but it wouldn’t have been weird for one person to at least guess Freeman or Bieber.
That is crazy, at least partially because ZiPs predicted Bieber’s continued ascent. You would have thought one person would have picked them.
The others make sense; many of them were either out of the blue. Even when people try to make their predictions edgy and unexpected they really get the actual unexpected picks.
I didn’t work here yet 😉
Any predictions on how quickly we will know who on the teams is being quarantined and how long they will be out. Gotta know how to adjust our lineups.
No fair for Sara to pick herself to win ROY. #bias
There is a lot of love for Nick Madrigal and Andrew Vaughn these days but I think both of them are going to be more okay than awesome. I think Kopech, even out of the bullpen, is a stronger RoY candidate. Not that it matters since even if Arozarena regresses dramatically he’s still probably the best rookie this year.
I do think Giolito has to be the favorite for AL Cy Young, though. I can’t believe this, but he has hit his ceiling–a league ace at 26.
I am telling you, this is Bryce Harper’s year. Juan Soto is going to be awesome, but Harper is going to put up video-game numbers. Devan Fink is wise beyond his years.
Ohtani is a bold pick to win the MVP and perhaps not defensible, but you can see how a two-way guy would capture the imagination of voters. It seems unlikely, but if you’re into picking something really out of the box, I buy it. I’m a little worried about the people who picked Stanton to win MVP, though. Maybe someone can go check on those guys?
I like Sixto but he’s starting the year in minors and he’s had a ton of health problems in his short career. I think Ian Anderson is the real deal and is probably at least as good a pick as Hayes. Given that he plays in the same league as deGrom, Bauer, and Darvish I don’t think he’s winning the Cy Young but if he puts up a 3 win season I think he’s in the conversation for NL MVP, and a 4-win season gets him there unless Hayes goes full Matt Chapman earlier than Matt Chapman did.
*in conversation for NL RoY (not MVP). whoops.
Ohtani was literally and unarguably the best player in baseball in 2018 before being sidelined by UCL sprain (3.10 ERA on the mound and .907 OPS at the plate through June 6).
Through June 6 of 2018, Ohtani had 0.9 batting WAR and 1.2 pitching WAR, for a combined 2.1 WAR.
The top position players were Trout (4.8), Betts (4.4), Jose Ramirez (3.9), Lindor (3.4), and Simmons/Judge (3.0). There were 18 position players in total who had more than Ohtani’s combined 2.1.
The top pitchers were Scherzer (4.0), Verlander (3.2), deGrom (3.1) Severino (2.9), and Cole (2.6). There were 8 pitchers total who had more than Ohtani’s combined 2.1.
As impressive as it was for Ohtani to be great on both sides, he wasn’t the best player in baseball by a long shot. Ohtani was the 3rd best player on his own team.
Is this a joke or something? Do you really not know that WAR, which actually penalizes Ohtani for being a two-way player, literally means nothing, and also that deGrom has accumulated 2.2 batting WAR with a 27 career WRC+? Ohtani is neither a DH nor a Pitcher. He is a two-way player (a position player who is allowed to pitch without any limit or restriction).
If you’re using ERA as a better measure of a player’s worth versus WAR (over a defined period of time, such as we are here) I don’t think you’re understanding the joke.
You’re mad because deGrom is getting positive WAR from his position adjustment? Let’s dig into this. I’m not sure whether Ohtani’s position adjustment as a pitcher is added in or not, or even whether it makes sense to do it that way. But let’s assume that it is correct to do it that way and it is not done that way. Just for the sake of argument.
The pitching positional adjustment translates to roughly 0.8 wins per 42 innings pitched. You wonder how I got that number? That’s Steven Brault’s number in 2020. Pitched 42 innings, hit 50 times, had a league-average batting line. As it turns out, Ohtani pitched ~49 innings during the window you specified. If Fangraphs did not include the position adjustment for when he was pitching (I’m not sure) AND it’s appropriate to do so (still not sure) that would add about 0.9 wins to his total. That would put him at 3 wins, which would make him the 8th best player in MLB at that point.
WAR didn’t penalize Ohtani for being a two-way player. He was evaluated appropriately and separately, which was based on the position he was playing each game. And in that time yes he was an elite hitting DH, but also only had half the plate appearances hitting that most of the other hitters did.
Then he had 49 innings pitched (of great but not elite pitching) whereas other elite pitchers had around 80 innings.
Over a full season he was on a 6 Win pace, which is still an elite player when you combine everything. But other players were still better.
This is true, but the DH defensive penalty is still completely unfair when you consider what WAR is supposed to mean and should be eliminated. That’s the area where Ohtani is being unfairly penalized. It still wouldn’t make him the best player through that point in 2018, but it would better help to properly explain his value.
I mean, “best” and “value” are not the same thing, to be fair.
Personally I dont think its too much of a stretch to call him “the best” considering how unique his talent is. his skillset is basically unheard of in MLB history. That doesnt mean he is going to out WAR everybody though.
When it comes to the game of baseball, its hard to say any person is “better” than Ohtani. There might be better hitters, or better pitchers, or better runners. But no one does all those things at a pretty elite level.
Inarguably?! Are you new here? It’s almost inarguable to say something is inarguable here!
One of the plus sides of having the exact dates thing on FG is you can check this sort of assertion pretty easily. Ohtani put up roughly 2.1 wins from the beginning of 2018 through the first week of June. That’s very good. It’s also less than half of what Mike Trout or Mookie Betts did, about half of what Max Scherzer did. It would have made him roughly the 30-35th best baseball player during that stretch.
Are you sure your statement is inarguably true?
Let me give you a sense of how far off Ohtani was from that mark. Let’s do something really bad to the data–let’s take his rate stats prorate them out to if he was full-time on both sides of the ball. I shouldn’t have to explain to you why this is bad; the reason why Ohtani had fewer PAs than guys like Trout and fewer innings pitched than guys like Scherzer is because he was splitting time on both sides of the ball. So this is really super-bad, but let’s do it anyway just to show how far away this is. So Ohtani only had about 50 innings, while a lot of guys had 60 innings by that point; he had batted only 130 times, and full time players had regularly 260. So that would equal out to about 3.3 wins. That’s well over a win off Trout’s pace, about a win behind Betts, and 2/3rds of a win behind Scherzer. Even if you do this clearly inappropriate thing to the data, you can’t get into the Top 5 players during this stretch (I think he’d be #7). So even in a fictional world where Ohtani never needed to rest (like, ever), he still wasn’t the best player in baseball during that stretch.
A few thoughts on the division races:
If Ohtani is a serious MVP candidate the Angels win the division. That means he’s probably pitching at least as good as he was in 2018 and hitting at least as good as he was in 2019, and would stabilize both the rotation and the batting order. About half of the people who Ohtani seemed to get this, and the others picked Houston. I think the writers who picked Ohtani for the MVP but picked Houston are hedging their bets a wee bit too much. If you believe in Ohtani but not the Angels you have to believe in a pretty remarkable string of bad luck for them.
As much as the A’s lost this offseason, do we really think the Astros without Valdez for much of the season and Springer for all of it are going to be better? Yordan Alvarez is good but the pitching looks real scary. I think it’s an even three-way race for the AL West.
I think there’s a 25% chance the Blue Jays win the AL East and a 25% chance they finish last. I think there’s probably a 50% chance the Rays finish 2nd and a 40% chance they finish third. I think the Orioles have a shot to stay out of the basement, since the Blue Jays, Red Sox, and Yankees rotations are scary and could completely implode. You only need one of them to have a total implosion of the pitching staff and the offense to underperform for it to completely fall apart, and the Orioles have more talent than in past years. I think the O’s win 70 games.
What, exactly, does anyone like about the Reds right now? You lose one of the Top 5 pitchers in the league, your closer, and are playing third basemen everywhere except the corner outfield, where you’re playing 1B / DH types, and this is the team you pick as a dark horse? The division isn’t that bad! Brendan Gawlowski, I demand you explain yourself. Or at least, I want you to draw the assignment of writing about the comedy of errors that will inevitably consume the Reds’ season.
The Reds certainly did not improve their roster in the offseason, but an argument could be made is that the group they still have grossly underperformed in a shortened 2020. Cincy furiously rallied in September to finish two games over .500 after an atrocious start, but prior to the season after all of their hot-shit hot stove hype, many prognosticators had them pegged as a potential 90-win team. Given more time to offset their rough beginning, it’s not far-fetched to think the Reds may have approached that potential.
So they roll it back, get much much luckier in 2021, and win 88 games to take a weak NL Central. It’s not much to like, granted, but it is something if you squint hard enough.
Even with no really strong teams in the division, just with having a 4-way race there should still be someone who wins 90+ games. 88 wins is highly unlikely to be enough to take the division, and that’s like a 90%+ expectation for the Reds.
Besides, losing Bauer and Iglesias on the mound while also weakening their defense is likely to cost more than 2 wins.
Oh, I agree that the Reds most likely finish 4th in Central. Just saying that they are not an insane pick in a division populated with flawed rosters.
Why do you think someone will win 90? If they all play ~.500 against each other, then get beaten up by the good NL teams, I can see 85 taking the division.
As it relates to the Astros pitching, here are their projected top 5 pitchers this season with their previous full season FIP/Career FIP
Lance McCullers 3.70/3.29
Zach Greinke 2.80/3.37
Framber Valdez 2.85/4.07
Jake Odorizzi 3.36/4.12
Jose Urquidy 4.71/4.11
Now, who knows how many innings they get from McCullers/Valdez, but Javier looks like a quality back-end rotation piece and Verlander is potentially looming as a playoff piece if he demonstrates his typical superhuman resilience. I would say there is a much better chance the Astros pitching ends up being the best in the AL than there is it ends up being the worst in the AL. Now, I happen to be higher on the Angels starting pitching than most (but and much more pessimistic on their BP projection), so I wouldn’t be surprised if both teams win 93 games and the division goes down to the wire. But the Astros rotation looks quite strong from my view.
Eric Logenhagen correctly picking the Rays and As to win their divisions is going to be the “Carson Cistulli Picking Mike Trout in 2011” of this competition.
I was wondering if the vote for Kim for NL ROY was from Dan but it appears he and ZIPs are not seeing eye to eye of this one.
As long as we’re at it, is Jake Cronenworth not rookie eligible anymore? Because I’ll take him over Hayes and Anderson (although only slightly), and definitely over Kim and Sanchez.
Five people think the Twins won’t make the playoffs, but man that looks like a surefire >90-win roster to me. Unlike some, they can dip into the farm for pitching depth and have available payroll to make a big midseason acquisition if needed. Even if they lose the division, I don’t foresee two teams in the East or one team in the West outpacing them for a wild card.
AL West to me is the division with the highest degree of variance. If you told me the A’s won the division with 87 wins I wouldn’t be shocked, and if you told me the Astros won 99 games and had the best record in the AL I wouldn’t be surprised by that either. The talent in the lineups of the Angels and Astros especially is truly top end, and the A’s just win, baby. Definitely the most intrigued by that division this year although the variance the Nationals bring to the NL East makes that division a close second.
NL Central also, as I could see any of the top four finishing anywhere from 1-4 and not be overly surprised by any of it. But I wouldn’t confuse “high variance” with “actually good” in the NL Central’s case.
How did Lindor not get a single MVP vote? ZiPS has him the #5 position player in the NL, less than a win behind Betts—is it so hard to imagine him having one of the 2-3 best seasons in the NL while leading the Mets to the division?
Or did the voters just forget he was now in the NL?
I would be very interested in seeing this world where Giancarlo Stanton wins MVP to just barely power the Yankees to the last playoff spot.
Angels with 3 of the top 4 MVP predictors, but still not a playoff slam dunk.