FanGraphs Power Rankings: Spring Training Edition

The beginning of spring training is just a week away, and the majority of the big moves this offseason have already happened. There are a few free agents left looking for a new home, but for the most part, teams have set their spring rosters and are looking forward to sifting through their guys as they work toward Opening Day. Now that the ZiPS projections have been plugged into the site and the hot stove is set to a preseason simmer, I thought it would be a good time to revisit these power rankings to check in on how teams did over the offseason. You could think of the Delta column as a rough grade, since it reflects the change in ranking from the last time these ran in mid-November.
A reminder for how these rankings are calculated: first, we take the three most important components of a team — their offense (wRC+), their pitching (a 50/50 blend of FIP- and RA9-, weighted by starter and reliever IP share), and their defense (RAA) — and combine them to create an overall team quality metric. For these offseason power rankings, I’ve used each team’s projected stats based on their Depth Charts projections which are now powered by our blend of ZiPS and Steamer projections. I’ve also used the projected fielding component of WAR that appears on our Depth Charts projections as the defensive component for each team in lieu of RAA.
| Team | Projected Record | wRC+ | SP- | RP- | Fld | Team Quality | Δ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Braves | 93-69 | 106 | 89 | 83 | 10.9 | 173 | 0 |
| Yankees | 91-71 | 104 | 89 | 95 | 43.6 | 169 | 4 |
| Mets | 90-72 | 107 | 94 | 92 | 5.1 | 160 | 10 |
| Padres | 92-70 | 110 | 99 | 95 | 0.6 | 140 | -1 |
The Braves entered the offseason as the top team in these rankings, and all they did was bring in a long-term upgrade at catcher and add to their already great bullpen with a handful of smaller trades. They appear to be the best team in the majors by a decent margin heading into spring training and are projected to win a major league-best 93 games — and that’s their 50th-percentile projection, mind you. If there’s one lingering question on their roster, it’s whether or not Vaughn Grissom can follow his impressive big league debut in a full season as the starting shortstop. The options behind him on the depth chart are not very appealing, but the strength of the roster means Atlanta should be able to weather a slump.
The Yankees made the one move they absolutely had to make this winter: re-signing Aaron Judge. On top of that, they added Carlos Rodón to an already strong starting rotation. With Judge anchoring the lineup again and a run prevention unit that should be among the best in the game, they’re slightly ahead of their division rivals in the conversation for the best team in the American League. If there’s one thing to worry about, it’s the lack of depth at a few key positions around the diamond. The Yankees are banking on excellent health for a lot of their aging veterans without much of a safety net behind them.
If nothing else, the Mets’ offseason was endlessly entertaining. Beyond the Carlos Correa will-they-won’t-they drama, they were one of the most active clubs in free agency, spending nearly half a billion dollars on new acquisitions and re-signing key players. They had a huge exodus of talent off their roster after last season but did well to replace a large portion of those players. When these rankings last ran in November, they ranked 13th; they’ve now pushed themselves up to third. Even without Correa on the roster, they project to be one of the stronger clubs in the majors and should give the Braves a run for their money in the NL East again.
While the Padres did the majority of their offseason shopping in August last year with the Juan Soto trade, that didn’t stop them from signing Xander Bogaerts to a huge contract to be their shortstop of the future. That move pushes Fernando Tatis Jr. off his natural position (once he returns in late April), but that’s a small problem to tackle when you’re adding a player of Bogaerts’ quality to your roster. Beyond that big splash, San Diego spent the rest of the offseason patching over some of the smaller holes on the roster. All the work that the Padres have done to upgrade their roster over the last year and half has put them in position to dethrone the Dodgers from their perch atop the NL West; San Diego is projected to win 92 games, five more than Los Angeles.
| Team | Projected Record | wRC+ | SP- | RP- | Fld | Team Quality | Δ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Blue Jays | 88-74 | 105 | 95 | 96 | 20.0 | 152 | 2 |
| Rays | 89-73 | 105 | 94 | 97 | 8.6 | 146 | -4 |
| Dodgers | 87-75 | 108 | 97 | 98 | 10.8 | 152 | 3 |
| Astros | 90-72 | 112 | 99 | 98 | -2.0 | 138 | -4 |
For the Blue Jays, this offseason could have been all about tinkering with an already strong roster. Instead, they made a bold trade with the Diamondbacks, bringing in Daulton Varsho to help patrol their outfield alongside George Springer and fellow newcomer Kevin Kiermaier. That gives them one of the best defensive outfields in the game and helps balance out their right-handed heavy lineup. They also signed Chris Bassitt to lengthen their starting rotation, giving their pitching staff a bit more depth. All in all, it’s an incredibly balanced roster that should be among the best in the league again.
The Rays didn’t need to make many upgrades to a strong roster, instead completing a number of small trades to alleviate some roster crunch and restock their development pipeline and signing Zach Eflin to the largest free-agent contract in franchise history. They’ll compete with the Yankees and Blue Jays in a three-way battle for the AL East crown, with all three teams projected to finish within four wins of each other.
Years of splashing cash on their roster finally caught up with the Dodgers this offseason, as they limited their spending to smaller one-year deals with a few key veterans. That effort to curtail their luxury tax burden ended up for naught, though, as Trevor Bauer’s reduced suspension added his salary back to the books for 2023. Financial maneuvering aside, Los Angeles still has a strong roster built to compete, but the ceiling of this collection of players is a little lower than it’s been in the past.
The Astros have weathered losing superstars to free agency a number of times over the last few decades and simply continued to win despite the potential setbacks. The latest version of that will play out in 2023 after Justin Verlander left town to join the Mets. Houston has a ready-made replacement in Hunter Brown waiting in the wings. He’s still unproven at the major league level, but showed plenty of promise in his brief debut last year. The rest of the teams in the AL West are quickly closing the gap between them and Houston, but for now, the Astros should continue to be the class of that division.
| Team | Projected Record | wRC+ | SP- | RP- | Fld | Team Quality | Δ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cardinals | 86-76 | 107 | 102 | 96 | 4.6 | 125 | -1 |
| Mariners | 84-78 | 103 | 102 | 94 | 4.4 | 113 | -5 |
| Guardians | 83-79 | 100 | 102 | 93 | 26.0 | 127 | -2 |
| Twins | 83-79 | 101 | 101 | 100 | 24.8 | 127 | 3 |
| Phillies | 85-77 | 99 | 93 | 98 | -4.6 | 110 | -2 |
The model of consistency in baseball, the Cardinals have posted a single season below .500 in the last two decades and have collected nine division titles, 13 postseason appearances, and two championships during that stretch of success. Unfortunately, they’ve been bounced out of the playoffs during the first round the last three seasons in a row. With the majority of their roster carrying over from last year, the one big addition they made was to sign Willson Contreras to replace Yadier Molina. That’s a pretty significant upgrade to their lineup, though it still might not be enough to get them past the other juggernauts in the NL.
The Mariners finally broke their infamous postseason drought in 2022 and rode that wave of momentum into a fairly quiet offseason. They traded for Teoscar Hernández and Kolten Wong to cover over the holes left by a couple of departing free agents, brought in a couple of veterans to provide a bit of depth, and are largely banking on a repeat of their success last year with some continued growth from their young core. It’s not a bad plan, but it lacks the kind of follow-up excitement you might expect from a team who reached the playoffs for the first time in two decades.
The Guardians didn’t have much work to do this offseason with a young roster that made a surprising appearance in the playoffs last season. They bolstered their lineup with the addition of Josh Bell and replaced Austin Hedges’ defensive prowess with an equally capable backstop in Mike Zunino, who comes with the added bonus of lots of dingers. It’s probably a stronger roster on paper than the one that won the division last year, though they’re projected to battle it out with the reloaded Twins.
That Minnesota is projected to be even with Cleveland feels like a happy bit of happenstance. The Twins were the surprise winners of the Correa sweepstakes, which altered the trajectory of their offseason considerably; if they hadn’t re-signed their starting shortstop, it’s unlikely they would have traded Luis Arraez for Pablo López. Alongside some of their smaller additions, those two big names have seriously raised the ceiling for this club, now poised to challenge the Guardians for the AL Central crown.
The Phillies addressed all big questions on their roster this offseason, bringing in Trea Turner to man shortstop for years to come and patching up their pitching staff with a bunch of smaller moves. They’ll still have to figure out how to survive in the competitive NL East without Bryce Harper for at least half the season. The projections still like their chances, though they’ll likely have to fight off a number of clubs in the Wild Card race and can’t afford to slip too far down the standings before Harper returns in the second half.
| Team | Projected Record | wRC+ | SP- | RP- | Fld | Team Quality | Δ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Red Sox | 82-80 | 101 | 96 | 94 | 10.9 | 133 | 0 |
| Angels | 83-79 | 106 | 97 | 109 | -6.2 | 110 | 1 |
| Rangers | 82-80 | 98 | 93 | 107 | 16.1 | 112 | 5 |
| Brewers | 84-78 | 97 | 91 | 100 | -5.0 | 95 | -5 |
| Giants | 83-79 | 98 | 94 | 94 | -15.9 | 99 | 2 |
No team’s roster feels as volatile as Boston’s. If everything works out right, the Red Sox could give the Rays and Blue Jays a serious fight behind the Yankees. Maybe all their health question marks turn out to be fine, Masataka Yoshida makes a seamless transition stateside, their veterans fight off decline for another year, and their youngsters take a major step forward. But there are so many ways that things could fall apart, and too many of those scenarios would have disastrous cascading effects across their roster. Threading the needle should be compelling to watch for outsiders and completely heartrending for fans in Boston.
I’ll give credit where credit is due: the Angels really tried to patch up all the holes on their roster this offseason. Adding Brandon Drury, Carlos Estévez, Hunter Renfroe, Gio Urshela, and Tyler Anderson should raise the floor around Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani. Facing the departure of the latter after the season, barring a surprise contract extension, it felt like they needed to do more to maximize their opportunity with him on their roster. As it stands, they’re entering spring training with more of the same questions about whether or not it was enough to finally get them into the playoffs.
Right on the heels of the Angels are the Rangers, who have spent oodles of money to try to break out of their rebuilding cycle. Adding Jacob deGrom, Nathan Eovaldi, and Andrew Heaney to their starting rotation is certainly an improvement on last year, though their bullpen still needs a lot of help. A lot is riding on the health of those three new starters, too, as the options behind them are either unproven or lackluster. Texas feels like it’s about a year away from challenging the Astros or Mariners in the AL West, but the team might hit .500 this year, which would be a real sign of progress.
It’s hard to fault the Brewers for the moves they made this offseason. They upgraded at catcher by trading for William Contreras, took a chance on Jesse Winker bouncing back after a rough 2022, and made room for some of their young prospects to start making an impact at the major league level. It just might not be enough to keep up with the Cardinals or any of the other NL Wild Card hopefuls. Their pitching staff will carry the team like it has in the recent past, but the relatively low ceiling of their offense will likely hold the club back from taking a step forward. There’s a path to the playoffs if enough things break right, but Milwaukee is more likely to fall just short again.
It’s easy to play “what if” with the Giants’ offseason, though that wouldn’t allay any of the disappointment hanging over the club. To be fair, after missing out on all the big free agents they were pursuing, they did manage to improve the club with a handful of smaller deals. Will it be enough to chase down the Dodgers or Padres? Probably not, but it does move them into the Wild Card conversation. They have solid depth across their roster; the only thing that’s missing is a superstar to anchor their lineup… oh, right.
| Team | Projected Record | wRC+ | SP- | RP- | Fld | Team Quality | Δ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Orioles | 78-84 | 99 | 105 | 100 | 16.1 | 100 | 0 |
| White Sox | 80-82 | 99 | 102 | 100 | 1.7 | 84 | -3 |
| Marlins | 79-83 | 96 | 100 | 100 | 5.2 | 77 | -3 |
| Diamondbacks | 76-86 | 96 | 104 | 98 | 10.3 | 84 | 0 |
| Cubs | 74-88 | 95 | 105 | 105 | 8.4 | 61 | 2 |
The Orioles will certainly be fun to watch this year as they graduate a number of their top prospects into everyday roles in the majors. Is there enough of a supporting cast surrounding those youngsters to get them into the Wild Card conversation? The projections say probably not, though big breakouts from their young core would certainly change the calculus. There’s a universe out there where all these prospects play up to their lofty expectations and the team sneaks into the playoffs ahead of schedule. But Baltimore is more likely a year or two away from challenging the best teams in the AL East.
After peaking at 93 wins in 2021, the White Sox stumbled through a disappointing season last year. The core of the roster is still intact, though the ceiling feels a bit lower now. The problem is Chicago has done very little to build around its young players, instead hoping for improvement from those already on the roster. And while the Sox have been sitting passive, their chief rivals in the AL Central have all made significant upgrades to widen the gap even further. Maybe it’ll all work out, but if anything goes wrong again, the depth is so shallow that they’ll face the same problems that sank their season last year.
The problems facing the Marlins aren’t anything new — a strong pitching staff that can’t carry the weight of a weak offense — but their solutions to that perennial problem are at least different. They’ve seemingly gone all-in on a high-contact offense, trading for the reigning AL batting champion in Arraez and signing Jean Segura to play third base. They’re also experimenting with moving Jazz Chisholm Jr. to center field, though you’d be right to ask why they feel the need to do that in the first place. Will it all be enough? Maybe with some good health, some bounce-back seasons from Jorge Soler and Avisaíl García, and a whole lot of luck.
The Diamondbacks are no stranger to making challenge trades and went back to that well this offseason by swapping Daulton Varsho for Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and Gabriel Moreno. The rest of the moves they made this offseason addressed the depth of their lineup and bullpen, but they’re clearly not ready to go all-in yet. Banking on another year of growth from their prospects is likely in the cards for 2023.
The Cubs were certainly busy this offseason, adding to every part of their roster in an effort to compete with the Cardinals and Brewers in their division. More than half of their projected starting lineup is new to the organization, they brought in Jameson Taillon to reinforce the rotation, and the bullpen has been bolstered with a handful of new additions. Despite all that work to improve their roster, they’re now projected to win one fewer game than when these rankings last ran in November. You can squint and see good seasons from guys like Cody Bellinger, Trey Mancini, and company to get them into the NL Wild Card conversation, but that’s a real long shot.
| Team | Projected Record | wRC+ | SP- | RP- | Fld | Team Quality | Δ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pirates | 73-89 | 95 | 107 | 111 | 5.6 | 41 | 0 |
| Athletics | 71-91 | 90 | 109 | 106 | 9.3 | 45 | 1 |
| Royals | 74-88 | 95 | 108 | 102 | -17.5 | 30 | -3 |
| Tigers | 72-90 | 92 | 107 | 110 | -6.6 | 28 | 0 |
| Rockies | 65-97 | 90 | 104 | 106 | -7.3 | 35 | 0 |
| Reds | 68-94 | 87 | 103 | 107 | -14.0 | 25 | 0 |
| Nationals | 67-95 | 89 | 110 | 109 | -14.7 | 8 | 0 |
The Pirates were surprisingly active in free agency this offseason, signing six players to one-year deals totaling more than $30 million in spending. Nevermind that the average age of those new acquisitions is nearly 35. Someone needs to take the field everyday, and I guess they got tired of cycling through their depth in the high minors every year. The return of Andrew McCutchen is sure to be the feel good story in Pittsburgh this year, though all eyes should be on the development of Oneil Cruz and his outrageous tools.
The A’s finally moved one of their last big trade pieces in December, sending Sean Murphy to the Braves for a collection of prospects from Atlanta and Milwaukee. They also traded Cole Irvin to the Orioles to open up some space in their rotation for the young pitching prospects they’ve accumulated. The battle over a potential new stadium continues to drag on, and the question of whether or not they’ll be uprooted from Oakland in the coming years is still unsettled. Until it’s resolved, it seems like they’ll just tread water as they accumulate prospects and hope that some of them develop into some semblance of a future core.
The Royals have a handful of very interesting youngsters on offense to build around, but years of squandering the pitching talent in the organization has left this team a bit lost. New general manager J.J. Picollo has a tough task ahead of him, and he essentially admitted that few of the young pitchers already in the organization are ready to contribute in the majors. To that end, Kansas City brought in a couple of veteran starters to round out the starting rotation and re-signed Zack Greinke for one last season.
If nothing else, the Tigers simply can’t be as bad as they were last year. There is talent on this roster even if it never seemed like it in 2022. Barring another hugely disappointing season, a return to average after career-worst seasons from guys like Javier Báez, Austin Meadows, and Jonathan Schoop would ensure a few more wins this year, and growth from their young prospects could add a few more. That’s a small consolation and could be taken as a sign of growth, but there’s a ton of work left to do to get this team out of its extended rebuilding cycle.
The comments that owner Dick Monfort made about the difference between his club and the Padres with regards to spending really puts into perspective the bizarro world that the Rockies operate in. The difference between San Deigo’s projection and Colorado’s is not “three, maybe four starters.” That’s the type of thinking that leads to running back nearly the same roster that lost 94 games last season and hoping to get back to .500 this year. They do have a couple of fascinating prospects coming up through their system, beginning with Ezequiel Tovar, who should get a long leash as their Opening day shortstop, and a healthy Kris Bryant should help, but this team isn’t anywhere close to sniffing 81 wins in 2023.
Wil Myers is the perfect kind of veteran free agent for the Reds at this point in their rebuild. He’s a hitter that should be able to take advantage of the bandbox in Cincinnati, and the team should be able to flip him at the trade deadline. Beyond that, the Reds have a wave of prospects who are a year or two away from debuting, which means they’re in a bit of a holding pattern this season. They’ll be looking for continued growth from their young starters who have already made their debuts, and maybe a surprise breakout or two.
The Nationals are still for sale, and that will continue to cast a shadow of their season until a deal is finalized. On the field, they’ve got a few interesting guys starting to prove themselves in the majors, and Jeimer Candelario and Dominic Smith are the right kind of additions to make in the hopes that they can finally figure it out in Washington. The real meat of their rebuild is a few years away, so they’ll continue to dwell in the cellar for a while longer.
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| Rank | Team | Projected Record | wRC+ | SP- | RP- | Fld | Team Quality | Δ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Braves | 93-69 | 106 | 89 | 83 | 10.9 | 173 | 0 |
| 2 | Yankees | 91-71 | 104 | 89 | 95 | 43.6 | 169 | 4 |
| 3 | Mets | 90-72 | 107 | 94 | 92 | 5.1 | 160 | 10 |
| 4 | Padres | 92-70 | 110 | 99 | 95 | 0.6 | 140 | -1 |
| 5 | Blue Jays | 88-74 | 105 | 95 | 96 | 20.0 | 152 | 2 |
| 6 | Rays | 89-73 | 105 | 94 | 97 | 8.6 | 146 | -4 |
| 7 | Dodgers | 87-75 | 108 | 97 | 98 | 10.8 | 152 | 3 |
| 8 | Astros | 90-72 | 112 | 99 | 98 | -2.0 | 138 | -4 |
| 9 | Cardinals | 86-76 | 107 | 102 | 96 | 4.6 | 125 | -1 |
| 10 | Mariners | 84-78 | 103 | 102 | 94 | 4.4 | 113 | -5 |
| 11 | Guardians | 83-79 | 100 | 102 | 93 | 26.0 | 127 | -2 |
| 12 | Twins | 83-79 | 101 | 101 | 100 | 24.8 | 127 | 3 |
| 13 | Phillies | 85-77 | 99 | 93 | 98 | -4.6 | 110 | -2 |
| 14 | Red Sox | 82-80 | 101 | 96 | 94 | 10.9 | 133 | 0 |
| 15 | Angels | 83-79 | 106 | 97 | 109 | -6.2 | 110 | 1 |
| 16 | Rangers | 82-80 | 98 | 93 | 107 | 16.1 | 112 | 5 |
| 17 | Brewers | 84-78 | 97 | 91 | 100 | -5.0 | 95 | -5 |
| 18 | Giants | 83-79 | 98 | 94 | 94 | -15.9 | 99 | 2 |
| 19 | Orioles | 78-84 | 99 | 105 | 100 | 16.1 | 100 | 0 |
| 20 | White Sox | 80-82 | 99 | 102 | 100 | 1.7 | 84 | -3 |
| 21 | Marlins | 79-83 | 96 | 100 | 100 | 5.2 | 77 | -3 |
| 22 | Diamondbacks | 76-86 | 96 | 104 | 98 | 10.3 | 84 | 0 |
| 23 | Cubs | 74-88 | 95 | 105 | 105 | 8.4 | 61 | 2 |
| 24 | Pirates | 73-89 | 95 | 107 | 111 | 5.6 | 41 | 0 |
| 25 | Athletics | 71-91 | 90 | 109 | 106 | 9.3 | 45 | 1 |
| 26 | Royals | 74-88 | 95 | 108 | 102 | -17.5 | 30 | -3 |
| 27 | Tigers | 72-90 | 92 | 107 | 110 | -6.6 | 28 | 0 |
| 28 | Rockies | 65-97 | 90 | 104 | 106 | -7.3 | 35 | 0 |
| 29 | Reds | 68-94 | 87 | 103 | 107 | -14.0 | 25 | 0 |
| 30 | Nationals | 67-95 | 89 | 110 | 109 | -14.7 | 8 | 0 |
Jake Mailhot is a contributor to FanGraphs. A long-suffering Mariners fan, he also writes about them for Lookout Landing. Follow him on BlueSky @jakemailhot.
imagine if the braves seriously addressed LF or SS, lol
Hot take: they’ll be fine at both.
SS yeah i could see it being average. i think rosario and ozuna will have too long of a leash for luplow or pillar to make up when they finally resort to them
Really don’t like that there are seven straight-up crap teams this season. And only Pittsburgh looks capable of being anything but crap. There are always weak teams, but this is egregious at this point.
That’s hardly unique to baseball and isn’t far off from most seasons…..
The Tigers are at least theoretically trying to compete. They’ll almost certainly be better than they were last year! Royals could also surprise. In fact I’d bet these projections are more tightly bunched overall than they have been in recent seasons!
I am surprised to see the Astros pitching staff being considered just slightly above average, and in fact considered worse than the Padres of all teams, despite looking untouchable last regular and postseason.
Most of the pitching staff must be projected to regress more than typical for this to make sense.
To be fair, Houston’s best pitcher last year isn’t on the team this year. Pitching staffs tend to get worse when they lose a HOF ace.
Also, Houston’s pitching staff last year was very good: Since 2000, the 2022 Astros ranked 2nd in teamwide ERA (2.90; 1st place is 2022 LAD at 2.80), 5th in FIP (3.28; 1st place is 2014 WAS at 3.18), and 7th in WAR (27; 1st place is 2017 CLE at 30.4).
Last year’s Astros were comfortably one of the 10 best pitching staffs this century, maybe even the top 5. That does make them more susceptible to regression than most teams, because it’s pretty hard to follow up one historic season with another. The thing about outliers is that they tend to be, you know, outliers.
On top of that, Houston’s HR/9 rate last year was the best of any team since 2015, and their HR/FB rate was the best since 2014. They led the league in WAR and FIP and were second in ERA, yet were only (“only”) 4th in K/9, 10th in BB/9, 16th in GB%, and 5th in hard hit %. That’s not to say last year was a fluke or anything; they were legitimately among the league’s best at inducing soft contact, which is definitely a skill. But it does suggest certain obvious areas that are ripe for regression.
So, yes, Houston probably is due for more regression than the typical team. Last year was pretty much a best case scenario, and those don’t often happen two seasons in a row. They had some of the best top-line numbers in the past 20 years despite being “merely” among the season’s top 5 or so in most underlying categories–except HRs allowed, where they put up some of the best marks in years. And they lost their future first-ballot HOF ace. Add it all up and it seems pretty reasonable to expect them to come back to earth this year.
Yes, I agree. I think it might related to how young this rotation is. In my case, I was surprised with the Mariners having a below average rotation with a 102 SP, ranked at number 18 (Houston is sitting at 14) below teams like the Angels, Boston, Giants, Marlins. I guess aces are also weighting a bit on the list and depth is to that valued.
I would be quite surprised if Houston and Seattle rotations are out of the top ten by seasons end.
Young is a part of it, but projections take a long time to believe in FIP beaters (i.e., offseason projections are much more slanted towards FIP than the in season power rankings which will take a blend of RA9 and fWAR). If the Astros quartet of Javier, Valdez, Urquidy, and Garcia aren’t FIP beaters, the regression of 2.3 wins by fWAR is probably reasonable. However, game results and fans likely feel RA9-WAR more than fWAR. The WAR by these projections is a 6.1 win drop over what these 4 Astros did in RA9-WAR last season.
Javier has about 8 professional seasons showing he’s a FIP beater, and I would expect he’ll continue to beat FIP unless he just is striking everyone out minimizing his ability to suppress BABIP. I think Urquidy is one too, but to a lesser extent. Valdez is a GB pitcher in front of a generally good defense (more SS and 3B than 2B and 1B). Garcia doesn’t control LAs as well as the other three and his fWAR probably represents his true talent.
If Javier and Urquidy continue to get pop ups/weak flies at a high rate, and the shift being minimized doesn’t mess up the Astros defense with Valdez on the mound, I’d expect those three to have much lower combined ERA than the projected FIP for which the FGDC WAR is derived. If those skills regress, the projections are probably accurate.
Sorry if my question wasn’t clearer. I meant regression as being more than typical. Models regress every player. So it theoretically should also regress great performances from other players. For instance the Braves look to have the best staff. Why aren’t their pitchers being regressed despite such outstanding performance like Spencer Strider.
Mind you I’m not saying the model is wrong to do this for the Astros pitchers in particular. It’s as you say they are most definitely not going to repeat last year results. Just that they are all determined to go from nearly the best to be basically average. That’s a steep decline
One of the best pitching staffs “of the century” should be able to weather the loss of Verlander and still be more than above average.
Fangraphs ranked the astros 5-8th every year. It is almost expected at this point. They lost in the world series before and the astros were ranked 9th i think.
Even if the pitching regressed a little without Verlander, they gained LMJ for a full season and Hunter Brown will be their annual ROTY finalist for 2023. The offense significantly improved with Abreu and Brantley. They were only top 10 in offense last year, i can see them back to top 3 or even number 1.
It really feels like the Nationals’ rebuild has miserable timing. They opted for two tranches of good prospects, one ready now and the other ready in 4-5 years, neither enough to contend by themselves.
As they continue accumulating playing time on 95-loss teams, the next ownership group’s front office will have to ask themselves whether Keibert Ruiz, Mackenzie Gore, CJ Abrams, and Josiah Gray will really be part of the next contending team. If that next contending team is in 2028, should they be traded now?
Ideally the next contending team is 25 with good outcomes overall from their current collection or org young core pieces…
The timing was terrible in relation to the new draft rules.. they actually lucked out this year only dropping from picking 1 overall to 2… but next draft cycle they likely will finish bottom 5 and get booted out of the top 10.
They may still end up with better players anyway.. but being booted from 1 overall and likely another top 4 pick in a hit in theory…
The top 10 draft picks have been pretty hit or miss the past 5-6 drafts IMO
MLB draft will always have its crapshooty moments.. but losing a 1 overall and a likely top 5 pick is still a disadvantage from what would’ve been the case the entirety of draft history prior to 2022..
And higher picks definitively equal more draft pool money… It still might work out for them either way.. but it can’t be questioned it was unlucky timing on the draft front to be staring at 2 potential MLB worst seasons…
I’d bet the over on losses for the A’s, Nats and Royals. I don’t see how the A’s win 71 games with their position players. The Braves were originally supposed to move to the nl central in 94 and the Pirates were supposed to stay in the nl east if only as it would have saved us Mets fans from years of misery.
I’d bet the over in wins for the Mets and Braves btw.
All contending teams look like they should hit the over on these projections easily in the preseason.
It’s when injuries and players looking regressing from their previous breakout season start happening when people realize why Vegas always make so much money from people betting the over start of the season.
Agreed on A’s and Nats. But the Royals have Bobby Witt, MJ Melendez, Vinnie Pasquantino and maybe Oliveras and Drew Waters. They are moving up in offence but with only Brady Singer in the rotation they won’t shoot up right away.
Yeah I should have mentioned the rotation is why I have them losing more than the projections say. I do love me some Vinny P and Witt nice start of a position player core.
I’ve never heard that with regards to the Pirates’ and Braves’ division alignment. Do you have a source for that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_Central
2nd paragraph
The Diamondbacks Depth Chart projections do not add up to 96 wRC+. I just down loaded and prorated by projected PA and it comes out to 106. Of their top 12 PA getters, only two are projected under 100 wRC+. I wonder why such a large discrepancy between the table above and the depth charts showing on the site.
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Your calculations are correct. I scale my wRC+ calculations based on the projected league average wOBA, not on the 2022 league wOBA.
Ah, I just missed your response here when I posted other my second comment above inquiring what you are using for projected league averages. So in this case are you saying that the Depth Chart projections for wRC+ are not correct? I’m still not clear what is happening here, and how they could be 10 wRC+ points off.
The team projections shown on the Depth Charts collectively project that the league wOBA will be around .324 which is 14 points higher than the league wOBA was in 2022. If I used the 2022 league wOBA to calculate these team projections, nearly every team would have a wRC+ over 100 which is obviously not going to happen. So I scale my calculations to this projected league average.
Its a weird artifact of using the Depth Charts since the playing time estimates skew the league average wOBA higher than what’s actually projected by the systems themselves.
Are they projecting such a huge jump in MLB wOBA due to the banning of the overshift and pitchers adjusting to the pitch clock?
I suppose the pick-off limit will also increase offense, but that won’t actually affect hitters’ wOBAs. You don’t get a boost to your wOBA for stealing bases and then scoring more runs or for getting extra RBIs with the guys ahead of you stealing more bases. Maybe there will be a slight tick caused by more intentional walks after those additional stolen bases?
Wow…just downloaded all the Depth Chart projections
All players totaled, 194,977 PA, the league avg wOBA is showing at .323 but the league avg wRC+ is 109.8. So I see what happened. Depth Charts used only 2022 averages to establish wRC+ but the projections themselves are actually based on multi year averages, so Depth Charts wRC+ figures are simply incorrectly applied. I hope that gets fixed somehow.
MLB Position Player wOBA since 2015 (pitchers removed)
2015-.318
2016-.323
2017-.326
2018-.319
2019-.324
2020-.320
2021-.319
2022-.310
I think having the Dodgers and Astros listed as second tier here is going to look pretty silly come September.
Will it? Maybe the Astros since their biggest loss (SP) shouldn’t be a problem, but the dodgers lost their 3rd best player and their two best players are now 30 and 33 so its not unusual to expect their best days behind them(they are still going to be very good, just not MVP level good)
Yes
Astros should be Tier 1, I’m agnostic on where within that tier they should be. Dodgers being Tier 2 is rational based on how many question marks they have up and down the roster, even though everyone knows they could outperform that.
I would bet the house on the Rays and Blue Jays finishing with a worse record than both
Something seems askew, when the best six defensive clubs by a wide margin all reside in one league (A.L.). I say “wide margin” because the runs saved gap between team #6 and #7 is more than double the gap from #7 to #13. It feels like some algorithm was applied incorrectly. Or something.
(Warning: whiney gripe coming.) It’s difficult to see how St. Louis could win each of the past two N.L. Gold Glove Team Awards, and yet be the majors’ 17th-best defensive club in 2023.
Re that team award, it doesn’t appear that there’s a ton of room for bias, according to the Rawlings website:
“The Rawlings Gold Glove Team Awards utilize a sabermetric model formulated by the Society of American Baseball Research (SABR) known as the SABR Defensive Index™ (SDI). The SDI draws on and aggregates two types of existing defensive metrics: those derived from batted ball location-based data and those collected from play-by-play accounts. SDI utilizes MLBAM’s Statcast, Sports Information Solutions data, and STATS, LLC data as well as traditional statistics with advanced analysis.”
Agreed, and I don’t foresee the Yankees being the best defensive team in MLB, let alone 17.6 “points” ahead of the 2nd best team.
Bader and Trevino are elite defensively up the middle, Hicks and Judge overqualified in the corner OF spots, IFK brings a glove if not much of a bat.
No doubt the Yankees will be good defensively, but… better than the Cardinals? Much better than the Cardinals?
Now that I look, the Cardinals aren’t really even projected above average, so I have to question the whole fielding component.
Indeed. The Yankees are rated 68% better than the number two team. No way.
Outs above average isn’t much of a fan of IKF, and we know how weak his bat is.
I do think STL could have volatile defense. Carlson had a nice 2022 in center, but he was never considered a great defender in center before 2022, so there could be a big drop coming in 2023. At the very least, not having Bader for four months is going to drop the team numbers in center.
Goldschmidt ranked pretty bad by OAA, so if that holds, it’ll affect the numbers (I don’t know of the these rankings are using OAA or not). Gorman is likely the worst second baseman in MLB and will see plenty of time there. When he isn’t playing, Donovan is average at best at second base. It’s fair to wonder what a full season of Edman at shortstop will look like, too, though his time there looked pretty great in 2022. Contreras is a mediocre catcher though probably not a huge drop from a 40 year-old Molina.
Outside of Dejong, the bench will likely be the worst defensive grouping in MLB — Gorman, Yepez, and Knizner are atrocious fielders, Burleson got a 30 value in his prospect evaluations with a below-average 45 as his likely finished ability, and Donovan is average or below-average at most positions.
Carlson was considered a very good defender in RF. He just didn’t get much playing time in CF until Bader was injured and then traded, and when he did, he showed he was very good there as well. Meanwhile, Nootbaar picks up the slack defensively in RF, and if Walker makes the team, he’s also a good fielder. A healthier O’Neill would also help the OF defense.
Goldschmidt has always been a great defender. I don’t know why OAA didn’t like him last year, but that’s clearly a fluke.
Gorman will *NOT* be seeing much time at 2B. Donovan is the starter there for now and plays OK defense, while Gorman will be seeing most of his playing time at DH.
There’s no reason not to expect Edman to be just as great as SS as he was last season.
Yes, Contreras at catcher is a defesive dropoff, but like you said it’s not as bad of one as you’d think, since Molina was past his prime and was injured half of last season anyway with poor fielding Knizner in his place.
As you said, those are the bench players and DH options, so they’re not going to have that much of an effect on the team’s fielding numbers. Plus, they do have one great fielder on the bench with DeJong.
Another question I have is what are the league averages you are using. What is your league avg wOBA, ERA & FIP. I love that you are using the + & – stats because the biggest error bar for projections always seems to be the inability to project league run environment, as the league so often messes with the ball. For 2023 not only do we not know what’s going to happen with the ball, as it seems to have big changes every year, but of course the rule changes are going to impact the run and rate stat environments as well.
When one goes to the depth chart projections on the site we can see wRC+, but we don’t get ERA- (or RA-9-) and FIP-. I really wish FG could show the park adjusted pitching metrics.
I’m not sure I remember a higher variance team than this Texas roster. I legitimately wouldn’t be surprised with any outcome between 65 and 95 games.
Upvote for reminding us these numbers are averages and that there is a variance to all of them.
I love and pay for Fangraphs, but there are two failings in nearly all articles posted that I would like them to address.
1) All graphs lack captions. Hence even though I read the article, I’m not always sure what is being plotted. Sometimes, I have no idea of the labels on the axes.
2) A lack of error bars. I don’t care if they stated the standard deviation, standard error of the mean, or 95% confidence levels. Too often, data is presented as A is greater than B, but when one includes the size of the error bars, one cannot confidently say the difference is systemic or simply due to randomness.
Occasionally, Dan addresses the issue of variance. He does a bang-up job when he does. I just wish the presentation of variance in articles was more common.
FYI, simply due to randomness, the standard deviation of W/L in a 162-game season is approximately six games. Consequently, even if Fangraphs has nailed the true mean (infinite number of seasons played) of the win-loss records of all the teams, we should expect 1/3 of the teams to end up beyond +/- 6 wins of the predicted record.
It strains credulity to rate the Yankees defense (Fld) 68% better than the next best team. And their offense will be better than tenth best.
And their offense will be better than tenth best.
Only if Judge stays healthy.
Yeah the Braves are the best team LOL they are really good but I believe they DEFINITELY got worse over the off-season. They “upgraded” their Catcher spot with a guy who grades out as a worse hitter & defender than the guy they traded for him, they had the best Catcher duo in MLB last year…then changed it just to change it. They have a huge ? at SS having no clue what to expect, and their LF & DH slots are both still black holes. They have one of the worst DH’s in all MLB. Now that’s not to piss on the Braves as I do have them as the #3 team in my personal rankings, but to also say the rest of the AL West is QUICKLY closing in on the Astros is crazy, the closest team to them last year got beat by 16 games in the division then swept by them in the playoffs, Seattle DID some upgrade as a like the Teoscar move plus trading Winker for Wong to upgrade 2B. But even though Wong is an upgrade he still is just an average player overall & the bullpen got a little worse trading for Teoscar. The Astros meanwhile never get respect. Every year they are 5th, 6th, 7th in projections while every year the Yankees are projected as #1 or #2 team…maybe the system is broken if it keeps giving you the same false Narrative. The Astros lost Verlander but get a theoretically full season from McCullers to offset that with Javier starting from the get go instead of beginning the year in the bullpen, as well as Hunter Brown he of the 0.89 ERA ready & waiting. I LOVE Verlander but let’s all be super real here….he was carried threw the entire playoffs by Valdez, Javier, & the bullpen because he was bad. The same exact bullpen that was the best in MLB last year & set a post season record for lowest ERA by a bullpen ever is complete 100% coming back & yet they are like middle of pack ranked. Lastly a huge upgrade at 1B with Abreu over Gurriel, a huge upgrade at DH with Brantley over Mancini, year 2 for Pena, no shift for Bregman, Tucker, & Alvarez 3 of the most hurt Hitters by it according to all the articles here & MLB.com & I’d say the Astros took a SLIGHT step back in rotation, bullpen comes back same strength, with a noticeable step up for the line-up to end up with a slight upgrade to a team that won 106 games went 11-2 in playoffs, & won the WS
Wow looks like the Astros fell off a cliff here. Wonder why they’re ranked eighth?
The algorithm says they have a mid-tier rotation (Top 3: Braves, Yankees, Brewers) and pen (Top 3: Braves, Mets, Guardians) and are below average defensively.
IMO V Dubious. I would easily place their starters top 5 and pen top 3.
Booooooooooo Kyle Tucker losing his arb case. Disgusting and egregious even, dude is the best non-Trout/Judge OF in the league with one of the best offensive approaches in the game
$5 million! This for a former tippy top amateur turned tippy top prospect turned perennial AS and dark horse MVP candidate…I can’t imagine what the guy behind him in this great Future being built for our overlords has to accomplish to ask for the same or more…21st century ‘Merica blows, where should I move? Every place wants to be this (granted “wants” it with a gun to their head)
What are you talking about?
Head’s up, plainly stated in the first sentence
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
Seriously, not trying to be a jerk..but, Gato has a similar nothing to do with the topic “corporate overlords” rant about 1x a week. Tiresome.
Ehhh, you’re not a jerk. I’d love to be in the massive group that can la la la through all this. Pretty sure *that’s* the dream we heard so much about
Granted, if every “if” broke right then the Red Sox do have upside to their roster, but I have no idea why the prediction models give that team any kind of favor in 2023. They seem much closer to “high-variance could be” than true contender as an old, injury-prone team with massive weakness up the middle.
What’s the high variance in the Cubs roster?