FanGraphs Readers Weren’t So Keen on Those 2020 Rules Changes

The polls are closed, the results are in, and with no need for a recount after being certified by the firm of Fwar, Dips, Winshares, Gritt, Babip, Pecota, Vorp & Eckstein, they can now be considered official if not actually binding. On Wednesday, I invited FanGraphs readers to weigh in on half a dozen rules that were introduced for 2020 as part of the COVID-19 health and safety protocols but whose status for next year is up in the air and must be negotiated between the players’ union and the owners. The most prominent of those are the universal designated hitter and the expanded playoffs — a pair that might prove to be a bottleneck, since commissioner Rob Manfred and the owners want the players to agree to some form of the latter in exchange for the former — but some of the other ones were an even more radical break from baseball tradition, and they drew very mixed reviews.

Stealing a page from the great Jeff Sullivan, for each of the six rules I asked voters not only whether they were in favor of keeping the rule, but also how much they cared about the issue, on a scale from 1 (very little) to 5 (very much) — call this the passion rating. One purpose in soliciting these answers was to provide some points of comparison with the responses Sullivan received to his February 11th, 2019 poll with respect to the universal DH, the three-batter minimum for pitchers, and the runner-on-second extra innings rule, none of which had been used in MLB at that point and all of which received an audition in 2020. Do people approve of the rules more or less than before? And do they care about those changes more or less than before?

While I’m sure what I’ve done here falls short of actual science — particularly given the fact that for most of the questions, I presented some data that might have an impact upon voters’ choices — I do think the results are interesting enough to share and compare.

1. The universal designated hitter

Question: “Do you think the National League should retain the designated hitter for 2021 and beyond?”

  • Yes: 75.2%
  • No: 24.8%
  • Passion Rating: 3.45

By roughly a three-to-one margin, our readers were in favor of keeping the DH in the NL, the most definitive affirmative result on the entire slate. Not only does the retention of the DH in the NL seem likely to happen once the dust settles — this rule has been in the works for a long time and appeared likely to be adopted as part of the post-2021 Collective Bargaining Agreement — but that approval also represents a 13-point increase from Sullivan’s 2019 poll.

That said, this year’s crowd was far less passionate about the NL DH issue than the previous poll, where the matter averaged a 3.97 rating, the highest of the 10 subjects in question; this time around, it had the third-highest rating out of six. Again, I won’t claim this to be hard science; it could be that we’re comparing the views of very different pools of readers. But I wonder if seeing the DH implemented in the Senior Circuit made people realize it’s less of a big deal than it had long been made out to be (and after yet another season made clear that pitchers weren’t about to suddenly get any better as hitters).

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2. The extra-innings rule

Question: “Do you think MLB should retain the extra-innings rule, where every half-inning after the 9th begins with a runner on second base?”

  • Yes: 23.6%
  • No: 76.4%
  • Passion Rating: 3.87

This rule, which has been used in the minor leagues and the World Baseball Classic, among other places, gained a surprising amount of acceptance within the game once people saw it in action. I expected to hate it, but will concede I was entertained, even if I found myself simultaneously annoyed by the imbalance it created in baseball’s eternally reliable system of accounting. How can you charge that reliever with a run allowed, even an unearned one? How does that guy, who didn’t reach base on his own accord, get a run scored? This aggression will not stand!

Despite my reservations, this rule may actually stick around. Via Sportico’s Barry Bloom:

Perhaps surprisingly, the players are interested in continuing this rule because of the stress that’s attributed to playing lengthy extra-inning games “on pitchers’ arms and position players’ legs,” [MLBPA executive director Tony] Clark said.

“…The extra-inning rule had a lot of traction with players, fans and clubs,” Manfred said. “There was a lot of strategy associated with it. It was obviously adopted as a health and safety rule so games wouldn’t go on too long. But I just think it had appeal even to some traditional members of the media.”

Despite such sentiments, our voters stood firm about showing this rule the door. In fact, they rejected it by a much wider margin than in 2019 (64% to 36%). In both cases they were similarly passionate; this time around, moreso about this rule than all but one other.

3. Seven-inning games in doubleheaders

Question: “Do you think MLB should retain the rule allowing for seven-inning games in doubleheaders?”

  • Yes: 32.9%
  • No: 67.1%
  • Passion Rating: 3.29

As with the extra-innings rule, this one is used in the minors, and it’s the rare rule that was adopted in-season, having been put into place on August 1st as a means for helping teams make up COVID-19-related postponements in expeditious fashion. It ended up being used for over 12% of all games, including 22 of the Cardinals’ 58 contests (38%) and 16 of the Phillies’ 60 (27%). Our voters were much less engaged on this one than the extra-innings rule, but they still rejected it by about a two-to-one ratio.

4. A lifting of the restrictions on position players pitching

Question: “Do you think MLB should limit the situations in which position players can pitch?”

  • Yes, they should only be allowed in very lopsided games (leads of 6+ runs) and extra innings: 13.0%
  • Yes, they should only be allowed in very lopsided games (leads of 6+ runs): 4.2%
  • Yes, they should only be allowed in extra innings: 3.3%
  • No: 79.5%
  • Passion Rating: 2.95

On no question were our voters more united than this one, which, to be fair, was enacted in February but then scrapped by Opening Day, which separates it from the other rules here. By a nearly four-to-one ratio, they did not care for MLB sticking its nose into teams’ business when it came to position players pitching, even given the reduced novelty of the tactic via a record total of such instances in 2019 (85) and an even greater frequency in ’20 despite larger rosters (0.57% of all relief appearances, compared to 0.51% in ’19). At the same time, our voters cared less about this rule than any of the others, with nearly 40% recording a 1 or 2 on the passion scale; for no other rule did that combination break 30%.

5. The three-batter minimum rule

Question: “Do you think MLB should retain the three-batter minimum rule for pitchers?”

  • Yes: 53.2%
  • No: 46.8%
  • Passion Rating: 3.15

Adopted in February, apart from the health and safety protocols, this rule did not have its intended effect, in that more relievers per game were used (3.43, compared to 3.41 in 2019) and the average time for nine-inning games grew from 3:05 to 3:07, a record. “If the commissioner is listening, it’s the dumbest rule that we’ve ever put in,” said Phillies manager Joe Girardi last week.

Girardi may be disappointed. Via Bloom, Manfred said, “I see the three-batter rule in a different category… We had planned to adopt that rule and I think about it as part of the status quo landscape. That’s going to stay.”

The rule produced the most even split from among our voters, with results that were almost a reversal of the 2019 voting, when 48% were in favor and 52% opposed. Despite the narrow divide, voters — unlike Girardi — didn’t have particularly strong feelings about it. Just 16.4% scored it as a 5, the lowest of any rule here.

6. The expanded playoff format

Question: “Do you think MLB should retain an expanded playoff format? ”

  • Yes, at a level of 8 teams per league, as in 2020: 5.3%
  • Yes, but at a level of 7 teams per league (best team gets 1st-round bye, other teams play Wild Card Series): 6.0%
  • Yes, but at a level of 6 teams per league (top two teams get 1st-round byes, other teams play Wild Card Series): 27.1%
  • Yes, but leave it at a level of 5 teams per league, with a best-of-three Wild Card Series: 22.8%
  • No, leave it at 5 teams, with a Wild Card Game: 38.8%
  • Passion Rating: 4.19

The expanded playoff format, which wasn’t even introduced until Opening Day, was probably the most controversial of all of the rules changes for 2020, and it certainly generated the most passion among our voters, by a wide margin. A honking 53.2% of the electorate scored this as a 5, and a total of 77.3% as a 4 or 5; just 2.7% had this as a 1.

Unlike the other questions, for this one I offered so many choices that none got a majority, though returning to the five-team format in each league, with a single Wild Card Game, did get a plurality. Combine that response with the one calling for a five-team format and a best-of-three Wild Card Series, and that covers 61.6%. Only about 11% of our voters liked the idea of seven- or eight-team playoff slates from each league — both Manfred and Clark conceded eight was a bridge too far, thank Jesus Alou — but there was considerable support for a six-team format, where the top two teams receive first-round byes and the other four play Wild Card Series.

Here’s how the two elements of the poll look in graphical form. First, the percentage of respondents in favor of maintaining the rule:

I’ve aggregated the responses for the position players pitching and expanded playoff questions, which admittedly in the latter case may be a questionable interpretation of the results; should I read them as a majority of the voters being in favor of expanding playoffs beyond the 2012-19 format, or as a majority being in favor of keeping them at five teams per league, possibly with the tweak of expanding the Wild Card process to a best-of-three? The good news is that either faction comes out to about 61%, so the scale on the graph is the right one. Interpret the Rorschach blot as you will, and remind me to tighten things up if I do another poll.

Here’s the passion rating graph:

The expanded playoff one really does stand out, likely because it has a whole lot more to do with determining a champion than the rest of these. MLB and the players ought to think long and hard about messing with the previous system, as the opportunity to reward mediocrity — and to shift the focus away from the best teams — increases with every additional club joining the Octoberfest.

Thanks to everybody who participated in the poll. Having done this once, I may think about the possibility of putting some potential rule changes in front of our readers, though perhaps not before we get to the crowdsource Hall of Fame balloting, which is just around the corner.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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defiancyMember since 2024
5 years ago

I was one of the biggest NL purist regarding the DH so I was shocked by how much I liked having it in the NL this year. I definitely hope the DH stays in the NL, it really improved the quality of NL games.

blueboy714
5 years ago
Reply to  defiancy

I am the same way. It was the change that I was most against at the beginning of the year, but it is the change that I don’t mind carrying forward to 2021.

Johnnie TMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  blueboy714

Kudos to you two for being open-minded enough to be willing to consider the other side and change your position. Too many of us get so stubbornly married to one position it becomes rather stupid.

DBRunsMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  defiancy

If you think about it, letting pitchers hit is a lose-lose. Either A) you have the equivalent of an undrafted college hitter stepping to the plate, or B) you remove the pitcher from the game when otherwise he should be out there doing what he does best (that is, pitch). All in the name of “strategy”. Let hitters hit and let pitchers pitch. If you enjoy strategy, enjoy the pitcher-hitter battle. Match up the best vs. the best, and it’s a thrilling game of chess.

PhilMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  DBRuns

I quite like the idea of the 3 batter rule as a way to increase strategy – if you’re putting a leftie in against a run of left handed hitters, how have to consider that they could be pinch hit for, and you’re stuck with your reliever. If you’re the other manager, is that the optimal time to use your pinch hitters? As a side effect, it encourages pinch hitting, which encourages a deeper bench, which encourages having fewer pitchers on the roster. Granted, all of these effects might be small, and outweighed by the benefits of rostering those extra relievers.

RMD4
5 years ago
Reply to  defiancy

For me, I was skeptical of the extra inning baserunner rule. It didn’t take me too long to realize I was actually excited to see extra innings when I was watching games. It actually adds urgency and intrigue, which is what overtime should do. In the before times, I always expected a slog and batters’ approaches more often than not got a lot worse.

MikeSMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  defiancy

I get why people like it, but watching guys who are really bad at hitting try to hit just isn’t fun. Watching the 8 hitter get walked regularly is almost equally un-fun.

Da Bear
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

The same could be said of the prospect of watching weak offensive teams in general: it’s probably more fun to watch the Dodgers’ offense than it is the Rangers’ bats flailing. That doesn’t mean we take only the 30 best sluggers in the league and ship one off to represent every team as the only player who takes all the at-bats for them, just because that might be the “most fun” player to watch.

themightyjobu
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

On the other hand, watching lousy fielders is a gas, and we wouldn’get get to nearly as much. What would baseball history be without Dick Stuart and Babe Herman stories?

DangerZonePctMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  defiancy

I was against it until Jimmy Nelson got hurt. Lost potentially multiple years of a 4+ WAR pitcher to a dive to 1B. For a guy that had a whopping 19 hits in 4 years. Every time I think about the 2018 NLCS I just have to assume the Brewers would have won with Nelson taking 2 starts.

DDD
5 years ago

Regarding the expanded playoffs, first add two expansion teams. Add one new team to each league and split each league into four divisions like the NFL. Also use the NFL’s playoff system as a model (6 teams/league, 2 WC teams/league – the two best division-winning teams in each league get byes the first round). Maybe have 5-game series for the first two rounds (no breaks?) and 7-game series for the final two rounds.

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  DDD

I like most of this, but I want two 8-team divisions instead of four 4-team divisions.

AshnodsCouponMember since 2018
5 years ago

Trump wants expanded playoffs so that losers can get in, too!

Cave Dameron
5 years ago
Reply to  AshnodsCoupon

Good one.

DDD
5 years ago

Regarding extra innings, if they insist on changing the rule, it seems giving them a tie after 11 or 12 innings would be a much more accurate reflection of the game than the gimmick of putting a man on second base. Also, adding ties to the records would not be problematic in the overall standings (assuming post-season extra-inning rules won’t change). The magnitude of this issue is really high on my personal Richter Scale of MLB rule changes. 😉

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  DDD

I will keep saying this forever, because this dumb rule is going to be with us forever so I will constantly be reminded to say it:

There is nothing wrong with ending a game after 9 innings and calling it a tie in the regular season.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d be fine with a tie (and maybe giving each team some credit, as in hockey, etc.); I’d also be fine with waiting to put the runner on until the 11th, but a runner on 2nd in the 9th, as with the current playoff structure, feels like a rough draft with obvious revisions to be made

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Someone also suggested that instead of a runner on 2nd, that in extra innings you just always got the runners on base that ended the last inning. That would also be good, although in an entirely different way. If you stranded runners in scoring position in the 9th, don’t panic! You’ll get them back in the 10th!

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

This could easily result in a player’s turn at bat coming up while he is on base.

Jon
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

I actually don’t see how. Every scenario I tried comes up “one batter short” – but I could definitely be missing something. How do you see it happening?

Da Bear
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Not necessarily the same runners, but the same configuration on base, using the “trail runner is the guy immediately before the inning’s leadoff hitter in the batting order” rule just like 2020’s runner-on-2nd.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Some of us like the chaos, and extra innings. Personally, the more the merrier. Chance to see weird stuff happening, etc. Love it.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

I’m in this camp. Ties simply aren’t fun, and they never will be

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I’d say the subset of people who read fangraphs and like chaos is small. Most people here like predictability, math, analysis, etc. I like those things too! But my favorite thing is outliers, things that cannot be explained. Random breakouts, etc. I don’t feel so strongly about a lot of these changes honestly. I do wonder why everyone is so passionately against the expanded playoffs though. They say “Then why play 162 games?” And to that I answer, why not? The season shows who is the best team. To me, the playoffs are the reward. The anything can happen tournament! 8 teams feels a little high, but maybe 6 or 7 per league would satisfy the traditionalists, while also allowing more teams to get the playoff money .Like it or not, expanded playoffs aren’t going away.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

I can only speak for myself, but in answer to your points about extra innings and expanded playoffs, I would say that I have a high degree of tolerance for ambiguity and a much lower tolerance for things that don’t seem to end.

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

I am coming around on it, actually. I think it seems silly on paper, but it’s not something I feel strongly about anymore.

If we really want chaos, we should implement my plan of removing a fielder from each team for each extra inning. By the 12th, when you are down to 6 fielders (C, 1B, 2B, SS, LF, CF?), runs are going to score.

paul ehrlich
5 years ago

I doubt the support for the universal DH is anywhere near that high among the broad range of baseball fans who primarily follow an NL team.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  paul ehrlich

As a middle aged Dodger fan, I’ve long wanted a DH because I get no joy out of hoping Kershaw doesn’t hurt his back swinging whereas I would get much joy out of extending Justin Turner’s career and seeing a more diverse and adaptable roster. Thanks for coming out.

mgwalker
5 years ago

One unique highlight in Kershaw’s storied career is his 13-pitch at-bat against Bumgarner. It ended with a 4-3 groundout, with Kershaw hauling ass down the line. It effectively knocked Bumgarner, who had been screaming into his mitt after every foul ball, out of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X3jbdp8WVI

paul ehrlich
5 years ago

We can now say that less than 100% of NL fans are against implementing the DH. Thanks for that.

Also, I accept the argument that many don’t like watching the ineptitude that is most pitchers hitting, but if running or swinging a bat is such an injury risk, the guy probably has other physical issues that are bound to materialize, whether it’s pitching, fielding, sneezing, etc .

Philip ChristyMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  paul ehrlich

paul erlich That may be so, but why increase the odds of that happening?

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  paul ehrlich

I don’t buy that conclusion. Swinging a bat uses a very different combination of muscles, ligaments, and tendons than any of the other things a pitcher normally does. Same thing for running 90 feet to first base at top speed or sliding into second.

Daniel Hunt
5 years ago
Reply to  paul ehrlich

Not a popular opinion among Fangraphs readers but almost certainly correct.

JoelAT
5 years ago

A query. If the NL adopts the permanent DH, what is the defining difference between the leagues? With inter-league play and universal umpires already in place, why have 2 leagues at all once this occurs?

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  JoelAT

Playoff structure (see also: NFL, NHL, NBA, etc.)

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  JoelAT

I agree, and I would love to just have four 8-team divisions after expansion, but I guess you still need some sort of playoff bracketing.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

“more relievers per game were used (3.43, compared to 3.41 in 2019)”

Pretty sure that’s just the 28 player roster.

Philip ChristyMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Also, starting pitchers were not fully stretched out to begin the season as a result of the funky “spring training” in the summer.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And without the seven inning games and extra innings rule, the usage would have been higher. It makes no sense to conclude that the three batter rule in isolation does not reduce pitching changes. My question would be if and to what extent it reduces in-inning pitching changes? Those are the time sucks.

r24j
5 years ago

So, I think I agree with the consensus on most of these.

My general opinion is what happens in the 9-innings of standard baseball game should be left to the manager/front office/etc. For instance, the 3-batter minimum rule is stupid. The teams should have the freedom to adjust and adapt however much they want. And if they want to use their position players to pitch, so be it. They should have the freedom to strategize as much as they’d like.

Further, the universal DH should be adopted. It’s 2020, we know more now about player health and sustainability than ever before. It’s odd to ask 50% of the teams in the league force their pitchers to have to worry about it. Yeah…we don’t get Bartolo Colon home run moments, but those are once a year events maximum…if that.

I also tend to agree that the playoff format should revert to what it was. That was killing the game. We don’t need 3-5 teams under .500 all competing in the playoffs. It’s an insult to the teams that truly earned it. And sans Houston, all of those teams were exposed pretty quickly in the playoffs.

Where I start to skew from the polls is the rules outside 9 innings. If a 9 inning game takes 6 hours, so be it. It’s not ideal, but baseball games have 9 innings and the beauty of baseball is that those games can vary greatly in length and excitement. But, I’m sorry – I don’t want more than 9 innings of baseball. After working in baseball for four years, “free baseball” has become a term that makes me nauseous.

Preferably, I’d like a tie to be declared after 12 innings. That’s more than fair and should only accrue maybe an additional hour. But, enough with the marathons. Again, it could be that my passion for the game is eroding, but those slogs make no sense. It’s exhausting to have a game end 2-3 hours later than expected and then you’re off on the bus trying to get some sleep before the 11am Sunday game.

The extra inning rule adds some excitement and stakes. Yes, they didn’t *earn* that baserunner, but everyone is on an equal playing field. Things speed up and if you want to avoid those circumstances, than you should make sure you win by the 9th. Shootouts in hockey are the same way. What good do 7 hour marathons do for anyone outside of being a novelty you read about the next day?

Same for doubleheaders for the same reason. They’re exhausting. And again, I know the beauty of baseball is the grind. But, they take a toll. Two full games in one day can limit a manager’s options for the next week, depending on how things go. In these special circumstances, I think the changes are warranted.

Anyway, that went on much longer than expected. In short, the 9 inning game and playoff format need to remain traditional in a sense. But outside of that, we need to speed things up for fans and alleviate a lot of added stress for players and staff. Manfred abused things a bit too much this year and I hope he doesn’t continue to radically change things….but man, nothing feels better than an extra inning game that ends 20 minutes after the fact versus going another 2 hours.

Spahn_and_Sain
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

The 7inning double headers made sense this year when they were going to have an inordinate number of them and there was already a lack of off-days for non DH make-up s but I just couldn’t get into the rhythm of watching a 7inning game. Mentally, I just know there are two more chances after the 7th. I’d almost prefer they just play one 14inning game and count it double.

Kevbot034
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

Marlins beat Cubs, that was fun and good for baseball.

bluerum29
5 years ago

Still can’t stand the DH. Unfortunately so many younger viewers nowadays just want to see more offense. I’d much rather a 3-1 game than 10-8. Growing up watching 3 hall of famers in my favorite teams starting rotation, that is what i expect. I get annoyed any time my team gives up more than 4 runs in a game; even if they win. I want low pitching stats. Manufacture a few runs in the game and don’t let your opponent score, thats my kind of baseball.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

They, like whoever decided we needed a juiced ball, mistake offense for action. We want to see people moving, athletic plays, blunders, etc. Way too little of that going on, whether it’s a 3-1 game or a 10-8 game.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Agreed. I want to see some hit and runs, bunt for single, stolen bases, advance the run. When you mostly get home runs, strike outs, and walks; it gets very boring to watch.

Johnnie TMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

True that! I have always been a fan of making ballfields larger and baseballs more spongy so that homeruns are far less likely. Balls in play are the fun plays and by making it harder to hit HRs, you will get a lot more of them.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

Johnnie T, that is all fine but the only real answer is to get the number of strikeouts back to a reasonable level. Without that then all of your ideas only lead to an other 1968 and nothing but 1-0 games.

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
5 years ago

So, 75% of folks don’t want to watch pitchers hit, but 79% do want to watch position players pitch. I don’t get it.

r24j
5 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

I think 79% of people wanting position players to be able to pitch speaks more to people wanting teams to have freedom to strategize and have control over their gameplan more than anything else.

But mandating that pitchers have hit is different – that isn’t a choice. It forces you to lose a spot in your lineup for essentially what is an automatic out. A pitcher’s job isn’t to hit, so why put him there? It doesn’t make sense.

If a team specifically chose to send a pitcher to the plate or field them in a different position, I think that’s another story. Just seems to be that forcing that dated concept is what’s unpopular.

Da Bear
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

In a DH-less league, saying that a pitcher’s job is “not to hit” becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: if a team’s own internal decision-making tells them that having their pitchers practice their hitting more isn’t as productive toward their overall value as baseball players, compared to honing their craft solely at their defensive contributions to the game, then the “near-automatic out” follows as a corollary. But that decision should be a calculated risk, representing a real cost in some aspect of the game compared to another team’s approach that might value trying to make their pitchers better at hitting so they don’t have so much of a useless spot in the batting order.

The different practice allocation could mean those well-rounded pitchers may have worse command, or may not add an extra pitch type to their arsenal where the football-style “defense-only” pitchers would be working on such a thing, but that means more levers for each team (and, for that matter, each player) to tweak around and put their own personal styles on, in pursuit of which result turns out best.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

Position players should pitch more. Whether it is guys who are minor league quality pitchers (Walsh, Cronenworth) eating up low leverage innings, or more teams using position players in blowouts as well (think both ways). I have never understood why teams do not use their position players when they are up by a lot late in the game as well. 9th inning, 11-2…what are the odds of a position player blowing it? Basically zero. I read a stat a few days ago, position players pitching basically turn every hitter into Mike Trout. But even a team of Mike Trouts is unlikely to come back down 9 in the 9th.

Also in the last few years more teams have been trying to develop two way players. For the life of me I cannot think why anyone would think to have any sort of rules about this, it is just, weird.

BryzMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

Position players pitching is a novelty that occurs rarely and usually in blowouts, making the blowout more entertaining.

Pitchers hit regardless of situation and score, unless the manager pulls him for a pinch-hitter. Watching them hit is usually not entertaining, except for the once-in-a-blue-moon Bartolo Colon home run. (yes, my favorite team is in the AL)

To me, there’s a significant difference between the two.

paul ehrlich
5 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

I think this might have something to do with the fact that one is guaranteed under the old system, whereas the other is an occasional curiosity in an otherwise already decided games.

timprov
5 years ago

Byes are stupid in baseball. You set the teams up to play practically every day in the regular season and then when the postseason comes along you just give some of them a week off and expect them to play on an even level with a team that kept playing during that week? This makes a certain amount of sense in football, where teams get random weeks off during the season anyway, but it’s nuts in a sport that’s mostly about what happens when you play a lot. You can get away with a wild-card playoff game because it’s only one day, though those are pretty bad for other reasons.

I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally wrong with eight playoff teams per league. Hockey and basketball manage this with similar league sizes. It maybe devalues the regular season a bit, but it’s not nearly as bad as trying to somehow manage six playoff teams per league. If you’re a purist, why not pick the answer that didn’t make it to the poll: go back to four?

Johnnie TMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  timprov

For those of us who think that only the top teams should have a chance to be World Champions, 8 teams per league is appalling. .500 ballclubs that got a little lucky should not have a chance to be the champs over teams that had put together strong teams. And to be honest, I WOULD prefer 4 teams to the 5 we have now. But a REAL purist would want the team with the best record in the league to be the pennant winner!

Adam C
5 years ago

The one change I really hate are the expanded playoffs. IMO this is one of the reasons baseball has fewer fan interest today. The postseason should be about great teams and not 86 win teams that get hot for a month. Unlike other sports baseball has a strong tie to it’s past. This is important. People still talk about about the great teams of the past and all the great players who were in the postseason. For example in the 1970’s teams like the Pirates, Reds. A’s, and Royals were all great teams and were very popular. And none of these teams were in big markets. And with so many teams in the postseason now there are no more real pennant races. This is also a huge part of baseball history. The narrative, the daily drama of an exciting pennant race is what makes baseball fun to watch. Watching two .500 teams fight for the second wildcard spot just doesn’t have the same excitement as the Giants vs Dodgers in 1951/1962, or Yankees vs Red Sox in 1978, or Giants vs Braves in 1993.

I prefer to have just four playoff teams. Winning an eight team division would be akin to winning a pennant in the old days. But I know that will never happen so I can put up with eight playoff teams and no more. 🙂

IHATEBALONEY
5 years ago

The three-batter minimum is a serious problem, and if Manfred actually cares about “player safety,” he will get rid of it. Yes, I understand the frustration of pitching changes for every batter in an inning. But there’s a number between 1 and 3, Manfred.

How many times does a reliever come into the game, throw two pitches (one into the dirt and the other over the catcher’s head) and everyone in the stadium knows the reliever just doesn’t have it that day? In the old days, you could remove this pitcher after he walks the first batter. But more often than not, the reliever would get a second batter to try again, and then likely get yanked if he walks both. If he walks both batters, or God forbid hits both of them, why on Earth do we have a rule mandating he stays in the game for yet another plate appearance?

A two-batter minimum will allow Manfred to “save face” with the intent of the rule to cut down on LOOGYs and 3+ pitching changes per inning. This would also maintain the integrity of relief pitchers (some of whom hide injuries until after a poor outing), so you’re not forcing them to walk the bases loaded to start the 6th inning of a tie game. If my favorite team walks the first 2 batters of the inning, and then makes a pitching change, I still have hope they can get out unscathed. But bases loaded, zero outs, and a new pitcher comes in? That’s an impossible situation to force upon the new pitcher. The new rule just screwed both the original relief pitcher and his replacement.

And if 2-batter minimum isn’t enough for Manfred, please consider at least an exception to the 3-batter minimum: if the first two batters reach base against a reliever, you can remove him before the third batter. That rule would harm nobody, and it would prevent cheap multi-run innings just because a reliever couldn’t throw strikes on a given day.

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  IHATEBALONEY

The problem with this idea is that it leaves open the very real possibility of a reliever starting an inning and getting two quick outs and then being subbed out for another reliever, who gets the third out.

With the 3-batter minimum that (wholly unnecessary) mid-inning pitching change doesn’t happen.

Jason BMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  IHATEBALONEY

You seem to REALLY dislike baloney.

(Bologna? Balboni? Steve Balboni.)

Do you have thoughts on Meryl Streep? She’s such a phoney baloney…

paul ehrlich
5 years ago

Rob Manfred is not doing a good job from the standpoint of what’s good for baseball. He is apparently doing what the owners want him to, but this is not growing the game among younger viewers and by making multiple drastic changes to the game, he also risks alienating some proportion of the existing fan base who value baseball as they knew it growing up. Cutting so many minor league affiliates is a perfect example of the short-sighted, corner-cutting, immediate gratification, corporate-style approach they are taking.

MikeD
5 years ago

The issue with the Universal DH is getting an agreement in place. The owners view it as something the players want, so in return they expect a concession elsewhere. The players, on the other hand, know the owners also want the DH, so they don’t want to give a concession. It’s makes it difficult to negotiate when both sides actually want the same thing but one side is still expecting a concession.