Five Things I Liked (Or Didn’t Like) This Week, April 19

Eric Canha-USA TODAY Sports

Welcome to another edition of Five Things, where I highlight some strange and amusing happenings from the last week. We’re getting into the rhythm of the season now; 20 games in, you start to get a feel for how watching your team will feel this year. Are they going to be exasperating? Do they look like a fun group? Have a few new players completely changed the vibe from last year? Are they hitting so many homers that they had to make a new dong bong homer hose?

That’s part of the fun of watching baseball, in my opinion. Playoff odds are one thing, but how you feel watching your guys get from point A to point B matters a lot more in the long run. If you’re reading this article, I’m willing to bet that you’re watching dozens of hours of baseball throughout the year – perhaps even hundreds. The playoffs for your team might last 15 hours of game time. The little things are the point, and there were some great little things this week. As always, I’d like to thank Zach Lowe, whose basketball column inspired this one in both name and content. Let’s get going.

1. A Tip of the Cap to John Sterling
Maybe I’m biased, but my favorite John Sterling call is the one that mentions our website:

That’s far from the only Sterling call I’ve enjoyed over the years, though. I lived in New York for more than a decade, and his bombastic home run calls were part of the fabric of the city. I can’t tell you how many times I heard “It is high, it is far, it is gone” from my cabbie’s radio, or echoing out of a sports bar that had the game on TV muted with the radio cranked.

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Sterling’s announcing style tends toward the theatrical, which is part of why his calls are such a delight. When he announced his retirement this week after three and half decades of Yankee radio broadcasts, I did what I’m sure a lot of New Yorkers did, whether they’re Yankees fans or not. I went to the tremendous @JSterlingCalls Twitter account and relived some of the delightful nonsense that he concocted for each player.

“Like a good Gleyber, Torres is there.” “Nobody beats the Rizz!” “I’ll give you the skinny on McKinney.” Every Yankee, no matter how peripheral, had his own home run call. He mixed that ever-changing whimsy in with the old standards. His drawn-out “Theeeeeee” in “the Yankees win” leaned into his unique style and became part of team lore. They don’t make calls like that anymore; no one is that sure of themselves or unafraid to be completely different from the rest of the world.

There will never be another announcer like John Sterling. I’m going to hear “You can’t predict baseball, Suzyn” in my head when something weird happens until the end of time. Happy retirement, John – I’m glad you went out on your own terms, and just know that even though you don’t know who FanGraph is, we absolutely know who you are, and we’re huge fans.

2. The Other Baby Birds
We get it, Orioles: You’ve got talent. Adley Rutschman, Gunnar Henderson, and Jackson Holliday are consensus top prospects from three consecutive years, which is ridiculous when you stop and think about it. They’re slam dunk great hitters, all of them. They even have the same flowing golden locks and questionable facial hair choices. (In Henderson’s defense, his mustache is allegedly only still around because he broke out when shaving it off.) The future of the Orioles is a great baseball club that looks like a prep school lacrosse team.

Plot twist: Those guys have been a mixed bag so far this year. Henderson is mashing, to the tune of a 171 wRC+, but Rutschman hasn’t found his power stroke yet; he checks in at a disappointing 106 wRC+. Holliday got a late start, and he’s still searching for his first extra-base hit. In aggregate, the three have put up a 110 wRC+, not what you’d hope for from a trio of franchise saviors.

Not to worry, though. The other prospects the Orioles have amassed in recent years are more than picking up the slack. Michael Baumann — our Michael Baumann, not Baltimore’s — already covered Colton Cowser’s hot start, with the 250 wRC+ and homers to parts of the stadium that no one was even sure existed. But that might undersell how outrageously fun his start has been.

The nicknames are coming in hot and heavy. Fans are already calling him “The Milkman.” The Camden Yards faithful moo every time he comes to the plate. “They’re not booing, they’re saying (word)” is a pretty common sports trope, but “They’re not booing, they’re mooing” is definitely a new one for me. Cow masks at the stadium are just par for the course now:

Cowser might be turning fans into cow people, but another O’s youngster is breaking out just as much at the same time. Jordan Westburg isn’t a rookie – he played half a season last year and looked like a steady contributor. He’s off to nearly as hot of a start as Cowser, though, and he’s doing it in huge spots. He keeps coming up with runners on base, and he keeps racking up extra bases and RBI.

Is his start sustainable? Probably not. It’s hard to run a .349 BABIP, hard to have as many extra-base hits as singles, hard to barrel 12.5% of your batted balls and make hard contact 62.5% of the time without huge raw power. But his approach looks legit, and it’s not like he’s hitting those doubles and home runs by accident. He has a solid approach and a fly ball swing. The stadium isn’t a plus for him given the bite out of the left field fence, but he looks like a nice everyday contributor at worst, and I’m willing to dream on a little more than that. He can also handle second and third defensively, which suits Baltimore’s roster quite well.

That doesn’t even mention Coby Mayo and Heston Kjerstad, who are absolutely annihilating Triple-A at the moment. Connor Norby and Kyle Stowers have started hot. Yes, the O’s are headlined by their flaxen-haired top trio, but there are more reinforcements waiting in the wings, and the other birds are helping to drive the offense right now.

3. A Tale of Three Outs
You know the saying “It’s a line drive in the box score”? That’s slightly less true now that some online box scores are extremely detailed, but the concept is still valid. A hit is a hit is a hit, and at the end of your career, what you produced matters, not how you did it.

I’ve never heard the inverse, but it’s also true. If you record an out, it’s an out. At the end of the year, the spectacular snag or beautifully played grounder count the same as the play where a first baseman stumbles and falls but gets up to step on the base in plenty of time anyway. It doesn’t matter how pretty the play is, as long as it’s an out. Routine outs are outs too, though I’m skipping those for today. This is a column about weird and fun stuff, after all.

Want a demonstration? I’ve got good news: The Mets got three wildly different categories of outs Tuesday night, all of which are just “outs” as we look back at it now. First, there’s the opponent misplay. If an opposing baserunner gets lost, falls down, or otherwise doesn’t attempt to advance, you can make a force play out of anything:

Wait, where’s the runner? Boy, that’s a bad look for Connor Joe, the guy who should have been standing safely on second base there. He had a week to forget in Queens; this baserunning blunder joins a fielding flub and a heaping helping of double plays. But this was objectively terrible. I truly have no idea what he was doing. Watching his baserunning close up doesn’t make it any clearer:

Ah, your classic 7-4 fielder’s choice. Still, that’s a force out in the box score. This next one is just a fly out. But oh my, what a fly out:

I love pretty much everything about this play. Andrew McCutchen hit that one 103 mph on a line, a clean double off the bat by all appearances. But Harrison Bader got on his horse right away and took a perfect line to where the ball ended up. He also played the warning track just right with that stylish slide. The raised glove and partial snow cone are just icing on the cake:

One more category: You goof up, but your teammate bails you out. Here’s one of the best defensive shortstops of the past decade having a shocking mental lapse but getting bailed out by Jeff McNeil:

I couldn’t tell you what Francisco Lindor was thinking there. The play at second wasn’t there, plain and simple. Not only that, but the play at first was extremely there. McNeil had time to make a double play style turn and get the out. A less aware second baseman might have missed that one, focusing on the force at second with two outs. But McNeil was on it and saved the day. Yep, just your classic 6-4-3 single play. Like they say, it’s a groundout in the box score tomorrow.

But wait! There’s more to this one. It turns out that it belongs in a rarer category: You goof up, but your teammate bails you out with help from a goofup by an opponent. Watch Jared Triolo running down the line:

4. Masyn Winn’s Quick Hands
Last week, I spent some time investigating stolen base rates and didn’t find a lot of answers for why their predicted rise never materialized. Then I sat down to watch Monday night’s Cardinals-A’s game, and now I have a new theory. Maybe the defenders just got better. Seriously, this is just ridiculous:

Give Willson Contreras his due: He got the ball out of there quickly despite a tough pitch in the dirt. He sacrificed throw speed in doing so, but that was unavoidable given where he was releasing the ball. A reverse angle makes it clear that the ball hung and tailed a bit:

That’s good work by Contreras – but it generally wouldn’t be good enough work to get Zack Gelof, who got a great jump on the pitch. Statcast has a model for stolen bases that breaks throws down into their constituent parts. From where Contreras received the ball, the average catcher would’ve had an 11% chance of catching Gelof. Contreras gained an impressive 14 percentage points on the transfer from glove to throwing hand; from this point, a catcher with an average arm would catch Gelof about 25% of the time. He lost five percentage points with his throw — but that’s a great tradeoff between exchange and throw, giving up far less on the velocity than you gain on the quickness. His accuracy neither helped nor hurt; it tailed toward right field a bit, which is better than tailing toward left but not quite as good as flying true.

Astute mathematicians will notice that I’ve summed up all the things that Contreras did, and we’re still only at 20%. The other 80% in Statcast’s model comes from “teamwork.” In other words, it comes from Masyn Winn being a wizard:

I mean, get the heck out of here with that. Normal major league shortstops don’t make that play. Good major league shortstops don’t make that play. Tags work in a predictable way. You catch the ball and then you tag the runner, hopefully before he touches the base. But that just wasn’t going to work here. Gelof was so close to the bag, and the ball was so far away from the bag, that the standard swipe tag had no chance of succeeding.

The only alternative was to let Contreras’ throw do the tagging. That’s easier said than done, though. Catching the ball is a lot easier when you pick a fixed point and grab the ball there. If you want to make a Winn-esque tag, you need to work out the ball’s path, then let your glove travel on that path using the ball’s momentum.

You also need to have a little trust. There’s no way to look at the runner while you attempt this type of tag. It’ll take all of your concentration and both eyes to track the ball with this kind of catch. The place your glove will end up is necessarily behind you thanks to the momentum of the catcher’s throw. Also, you better hold onto the ball tightly, because if you execute everything just right, the would-be base stealer is going to slam into your hand at full speed with no warning:

Remember when Javier Báez’s tags were an object of baseball fascination? Winn’s performance here would fit right in with those. It’s one thing to have the physical capability to make a play like this. It’s something else entirely to decide what tag to make on the fly, then execute it flawlessly with no margin for error. There’s no time to think here; the choice to go for a no-look has to be instinctual. The combination of that dexterity and subconscious decision-making is absolutely elite.

Winn is only 22. This is his rookie season. His best defensive tool is his cannon arm, one of the strongest in the majors. But if he’s going to keep doing magical things like this, the sky’s the limit for him defensively. I’m looking forward to watching him continue to develop in the big leagues. If this tag is any indication, he might already have things figured out.

5. Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Agile Like a Cat
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. has worked tirelessly on his defense throughout his career. When he came up with the Blue Jays, he was a poor enough defensive infielder that they moved him to left field, the least demanding position on the diamond. He even struggled there out of the gate. He stayed afloat thanks to a huge throwing arm (14 runs above average per DRS, 10 per Statcast), but getting to the ball was always an adventure. Over the past few years, he’s gotten far better at the range aspect, buoying his overall defensive value to comfortably above average.

It’s not always the most graceful defense, though. Even while he’s helping his team out, he runs around the outfield like a bull in a china shop. Gurriel is 6’4” and powerfully built. He looks like a power hitter overcoming his own body to make good plays rather than someone born to do it. Here’s an example:

That looks like something I would do, and I’m an uncoordinated 38-year-old. If you watch closely, you can see what happened. To maximize his throwing power, Gurriel planned on crow hopping into the throw. He lined up his footwork with that in mind: Field the ball, transfer while you set your feet together, and finally take a big step and unleash the cannon. Just one problem. His left cleat got stuck. Take a look at the toe as he tries to stride:

You could imagine this going much worse. If Gurriel released the ball while falling, the ball could have gone anywhere. If he lost the ball hitting the ground, the runners could have advanced. If he panicked and tried to do too much, there basically would’ve been no good outcomes for the Diamondbacks there. Honestly, he wasn’t getting Nolan Arenado at the plate even without the slip; after that happened, it was all about damage mitigation.

He mitigated that damage flawlessly. And honestly, I might be underselling his athleticism in this whole thing. Sure, that didn’t look balletic. It’s a man paid to play sports, tripping on his own feet during the game. But the strength, flexibility, and spatial awareness required to get back to his feet so naturally is no joke. The mental acuity to relax and make the best of a bad situation is great, too. A side angle reveals that he managed to react on the fly and use his left leg as a kickstand to smoothly get back up:

Honestly, this just makes me more in awe of what great athletes major leaguers are. This is someone at his worst, literally slipping and falling with everyone in the stadium watching. Even then, his actions look smooth in slow motion. This is one of the less graceful players in baseball doing one of the less graceful things he’s done on the field this year, and it would still make you stop and stare if you saw someone pulling off that roll in the gym. Baseball might be a sport predicated on making people look silly – but the people looking silly are still phenomenally strong and coordinated.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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lavarnway
2 years ago

Ben how are you liking National League Home Run Leader Marcell Ozuna?

MustBunique
2 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

Quality human.

lavarnway
2 years ago
Reply to  MustBunique

According to people that know him (teammates and coaches), he is.

Anon21Member since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

What about according to his wife?

howieloader
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

His wife who was also arrested for domestic violence in 2020?

lavarnway
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

She’s the domestic abuser

whatmonsterMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

You’re right – I don’t think his wife liked him very much, since she was hitting him.

jb1205Member since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Everyone makes mistakes, man. Being arrested for domestic battery and then later for DUI does not mean he’s a bad guy; the fact that charges were reduced in both cases suggests that he must be pretty likeable, right? The important thing is that the only thing he’s hitting these days is, hopefully, baseballs.

bg7316
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

They’re still together?! AND she’s been charged with domestic battery against him as well. Hit him in the head with a soap dish.

I’m not an Ozuna sympathizer. But it’s clear enough to me that they have a crazy relationship. I don’t know how to weigh that kinda stuff when we talk about Ozuna who is generally liked by his teammates.

wokegraphs3
2 years ago
Reply to  bg7316

Some folks just want to MEN BAD and reduce everything to slogans and ideology like that. The internet is no place for nuance and-many times-the sort of person who loves stats enough to be here has no capacity for understanding anything nearing “humans are complicated”.

Idli Amin, The Last King of SambarMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs3

I don’t know enough about the Ozuna situation to opine on it, but someone who sarcastically uses the handle “wokegraphs” is lecturing others about understanding nuance. OK then.

wokegraphs3
2 years ago

Selecting the name was a reaction to several years of observed herd behavior! Anecdata so I know it’ll be rejected by stat nerds, that’s ok.

wokegraphs3
2 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs3

The downvotes prove the point!

Sam Schuth
2 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs3

“See? I TOLD you you’d think I was dumb!”

Ashburn Alley
2 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

Can’t expect anything else from fans who support a team with a racist name and enjoy doing the racist chop. Must be a heritage thing.

jb1205Member since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  Ashburn Alley

They will defend the chop as zealously as their forbears defended the right to own other people.

lavarnway
2 years ago
Reply to  jb1205

*forebears. You tried to break out a fancy word and botched it.

Last edited 2 years ago by lavarnway
jb1205Member since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

You got me, I misspelled it. It’s important for one to recognize when they’re wrong, or at least be open to the possibility.

The Ghost of Johnny Dickshot
2 years ago
Reply to  jb1205

WTH is “forbears”?

jb1205Member since 2022
2 years ago

Ancestors, if you spell the word right. If you screw it up like I did, then it’s the answer to, “WhodotheymakeCharminfor?”

wokegraphs3
2 years ago
Reply to  Ashburn Alley

I bet you’re someone folks run away from at parties.

lavarnway
2 years ago
Reply to  Ashburn Alley

Knowing it triggers Phillies fans just makes it even better 😉

didaceMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

Braves fans are so weird. “What do you mean we have a really great team? Can’t you see we have a really, really great team?”

lavarnway
2 years ago
Reply to  didace

Ben Clemens loves Ozuna, I was just reminding him lol

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
2 years ago

The Javy Baez tag obsession was weird. It was if the whole baseball world for whatever reason decided to collectively believe that (a) tagging someone could be some incredible skill, and more puzzling, that (b) Javy Baez was the only player that was excelling at this skill.

At the time Andrelton Simmons was playing for the Braves and I remember some very slick tags he performed, and he was at the time regarded as a great defensive player, but they would never garner any attention outside of the game broadcast. I’m fairly sure other infielders around MLB also were doing their best to tag out baserunners and I sincerely doubt Baez was actually somehow way better at it.

And this has been way too long of a rant about something that really bothered me 10 years ago that I surely should have gotten over by now.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Baez was making 80-grade tags at a time when 90% of the league was settling for 50-grade tags.

And you gotta admit, the point-then-tag play was legendary.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
2 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I’ll admit that like Ken Griffey Jr.’s bat lay down after a home run, the style was special, I just don’t think he was really doing a better job of actually converting tags than everyone else.

EstebanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Style can make baseball more fun though. Doesn’t mean you have to like it more, but I appreciated Baez’s tags more than Simmons’s tags as a baseball fan but not a fan of their of the teams they played for. Obviously I love stats (I’m commenting on FG after all) but can’t deny the appeal of cool and flashy (while also being effective) players.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
2 years ago
Reply to  Esteban

Sure, I’m all for it and I love baseball players having fun, but style doesn’t make your contributions more valuable. Everyone was saying Baez was better at this skill than everyone else and I just didn’t see it. I don’t think Acuña is the best home run hitter because he is the best at celebrating them.

slicedfriedgoldMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

You do realize this column is about things Ben likes, not Ben thinks is most valuable, right? Style is fun! Let baseball be fun!

AzizalMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

you just didn’t *see* it?

Well, the rest of us did so maybe your take isn’t worth much given the only data we have is from the eye test. People who have *seen* baseball their whole lives think/thought Baez was special with his tags.

I watched Simmons his entire career too and I think his tags didn’t get mentioned as much because he regularly did even more impressive things. And he’s a SS. They don’t tag as often as 2B’s, which is where Baez got most of his notice for tagging.

You’re arguing against the data (anecdotal data ain’t great but when it’s all we have, it reigns).

That is why you are getting downvoted.

Last edited 2 years ago by Azizal
TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
2 years ago
Reply to  Azizal

Your comment is stupid nonsense. That is why you are getting downvoted.

Shirtless George Brett
2 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who thought the “Baez is the best tagger!” thing was stupid.

Fun to watch? Absolutely. But an actual, valuable skill? Stop it.

Last edited 2 years ago by Shirtless George Brett
Seuss2004Member since 2018
2 years ago

As a Yankee fan since who was 6 when John Sterling started calling games, I will miss his voice, and his ridiculously cheesy home run calls, which were somehow endearing.

What i won’t miss at all is his incredible arrogance. The game changed, the way people evaluate games and players changed, and he was having none of it. Everyone else? They were the ones who were wrong. Proudly deriding any stat other than RBI or batting average, never deigning to learn about the metrics the teams actually use to evaluate players and triumphantly announcing so — you know, refusing to do his job, which is to inform the listener.

Even that clip about not knowing who ‘fangraph’ is; funny, yes, but rather than turning the fact that the Mets lost a game they had a 99.8% chance of winning into a story about how incredible or exciting baseball is, or why we watch to the end, just in case, it became, as it always does, a tut-tut about how dumb the ‘stats’ people are and how They Just Don’t Understand Baseball.

The MLB app lets you listen to home or away feeds. I’d still listen occasionally to John and Suzyn, but most of the time i’d quickly switch over to the other broadcast’s feed, because it just wasn’t enjoyable to listen to the man beat the game to death. If I heard Justin Shackil or Emmanuel Berbari calling the game, I’d stay. They would simply call the game and add some context about what it is, rather than what they wanted to bend it to be.

I’m never happy about health issues affecting anyone, John Sterling included. But the truth is I’m going to enjoy listening to Yankees games so much more from now on, and as a passionate fan of baseball, that makes me feel very excited.

Last edited 2 years ago by Seuss2004
Sliver57Member since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Seuss2004

The Yankees radio broadcast regularly finished at the bottom of the crowdsourced ratings here, and Sterling was doing play by play. After a fashion.

dl80Member since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Seuss2004

I’ve always hated Sterling’s calls, and I think most non-Yankee fans would agree. The over-the-top theatricality, the extreme homerism, the disdain for anyone younger than 50. Ugh. I won’t miss him.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Yeah. I really don’t understand the note of valedictory gaslighting that everyone has decided to send him out on — the guy has been one of the worst announcers in baseball for decades. He is bad at literally every facet of the job, from careful observation of the game to quick verbal description of it, and on top of that he is a pig-headed anti-intellectual and a massive homer. What is there to miss?

EstebanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  dl80

I’ve heard he was a homer before, but having listened to him since I can remember, I always thought he would praise the other team when they were winning and would give more excited calls for opposing teams than most other announcers I’ve happened to hear over the years.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  dl80

To be fair, any team’s broadcasters are supposed to be “homers” and biased for their own team. Only on national broadcasts do they need to remain neutral.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 years ago

I play second base, and I look to make tags like Masyn’s whenever possible. The best of my career came a couple years ago. The throw was a tad off line just like Contreras’s. I slapped my open glove on the runner’s face as he initiated his slide a moment before the ball arrived. We got him by a hair, and he had to take a minute to recover from getting hit directly in the face by a thrown ball, padded by a quarter-inch of 20-year-old leather.

I desperately wish I had a replay.

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__AL
2 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Sounds like obstruction. I wish you had replay, too.

Brad JohnsonMember
2 years ago
Reply to  __AL

It all happened in the flash of a moment. No obstruction.

Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
2 years ago

The Orioles fans in cow heads make me recall the Baby Shark outfits people wore at Nationals Park in the magical 2019 season.

I recall scores of Orioles’ fans, including some of my good friends, making fun of those fans and saying it was all silly and stupid and would look even more dumb when the Nats inevitably missed the playoffs or bowed out in the first round….except it never happened – like the Met’s black cat and the Angels Rally Monkey it was magic all the way to a World Series victory.

I will not make fun of the O’s fans for their cow heads – I think it is silly and fun and incredibly awesome – and I hope the result for them in 2024 is the same as it was for us Nats fans in 2019.

My friends and loyal Baltimore fans have waited long enough, have a great young team and a new, hopefully better and more fan-friendly ownership.

I say don the cow heads to your hearts content and wish ‘em well!! Moo!!!

wokegraphs3
2 years ago

Who would downvote this?

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs3

I didn’t do it.

Spahn_and_Sain
2 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs3

I was saying “moo-urns.”

David Klein
2 years ago

I wish John well but I have always seen him as the worst pbp man I’ve ever heard he’s always been over the top, rarely has his calls been accurate and he comes across as such a cornball and blowhard. He does have a great voice but otherwise he is so bad at calling games and always has been. The only guys on John’s level of badness are Chip Caray and Hawk Harrelson was brutal as well.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

I don’t know what it’s like to despise my team’s radio announcer but I have to think it would suck

Last edited 2 years ago by Ivan_Grushenko
AzizalMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

All Braves fans know! We went from Chip Caray (terrible) to Brandon Gaudin (amazing, won broadcaster of the year) in one season and man did that ever show the difference.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Azizal

Love when Brandon and Jeff are in the booth! CJ was a nice addition too.

Shirtless George Brett
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I listen to the other teams feed to avoid Rex Hudler.

wokegraphs3
2 years ago

Paul Skenes in first go at AAA: 12.2 IP, 5 hits with 2 of them xbhs, 2 walks, 27 strikeouts. 0 runs surrendered. 19.18 k/9. Downside is he’s only maxed out at 65 pitches thus far (in yesterday’s 3.2 IP, 8k, 2 walk game)

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  wokegraphs3

Sounds like he should be a bulk guy in Pittsburgh and build up there. He’s a big asset at 3 IP per game

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Most definitely. Every pitch he wastes in the minors is one less pitch he throws for the Pirates before his arm falls off and you don’t know how much it hurts me to write this. I am truly sorry and sad that the thought even entered my mind but, equally sadly, I don’t think I am the only person thinking this.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Possible that it’s one less pitch he throws for the team he signs with after the Pirates.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago

I hope he makes it through 6 years before the inevitable, unless he is a clone of Nolan Ryan, happens.

Barney Coolio
2 years ago

7-4 putout:

I don’t know, Connor Joe was clearly unsure if the outfielder would have caught that ball. His baserunning looks sub-MLB there, but I am unsure how many runners would be “safely standing on second base there.”

7-4 putouts happen all the time in my slow pitch softball league.

What happens if there is a runner on first base, and the batter hits a clean no-doubt-about-it single to the outfield, but the baserunner weirdly jogs to second base and is thrown out? Is that a forceout and the batter is not credited with a hit?

Anon21Member since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

What happens if there is a runner on first base, and the batter hits a clean no-doubt-about-it single to the outfield, but the baserunner weirdly jogs to second base and is thrown out? Is that a forceout and the batter is not credited with a hit?

Correct, that’s not a hit. Same as if he hits it to the shortstop and the man on 1st is forced out at second.

Barney Coolio
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Yeah, I guess there is no other way to score it. Just like if an outfielder barely moves and makes the weakest effort ever to get to a ball and throw it back, the hitter is still credited with a hit and the pitcher has to deal with it.

WARonEverything
2 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

It seems like they should come up with a better way to score. When a batter would obvioulsy get a single off the hit it should be H/FC or something. if the runner was stealing second on the play and decided to try going to third and was thrown out the batter gets a hit. so just because it is a force out they don’t, I get that is the case, but it seems like when a player gets a hit, he should get credit for it no matter what happens in front of him.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

But then it gets messy in some situations like when a speedy runner hits a ball to deep short for an easy force out at 2B or 3B, yet the runner may or may not have been able to beat out a long throw to 1B if the bases had been empty.

Also, I don’t think it’s only on force outs but anytime a runner gets thrown out attempting to advance just a single base. For example, if a runner on third gets thrown out at home (that’s not the 3rd out) on a squeeze play attempt, I don’t think the batter gets credit for a hit there.

There’s an exception if the baserunner gets hit by the ball in fair territory, though, in which case the runner is out, but the batter does get credited with a single.

Barney Coolio
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

This is an interesting topic, but I don’t think it is that “messy.”

Ichiro Suzuki’s Baltimore Chops would very often be outs with a runner being forced to try for 3b.

When I play 3b at softball, I do like it when there is a force at 3b as my job just got a lot easier. When batting, I have the opposite feeling.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

The official scoring rules have this in the glossary:

FIELDER’S CHOICE is the act of a fielder who handles a fair grounder and, instead of throwing to first base to put out the batter-runner, throws to another base in an attempt to put out a preceding runner.

While the definition of base hit has a clause for:

“a fielder unsuccessfully attempts to put out a preceding runner and, in the Official Scorer’s judgment, the batterrunner would not have been put out at first base by ordinary effort”

Basically, if the ball is still in the infield, but a runner was put out, there’s no way to credit that as a base hit.

EDIT: I missed the fact that that play is explicitly to be scored as no hit by “pitcher, the catcher or any infielder handles a batted ball and puts out a preceding runner who is attempting to advance one base or to return to his original base, or would have put out such runner with ordinary effort except for a fielding error. The Official Scorer shall charge the batter with a time at bat but no hit;”

Last edited 2 years ago by Fun-Hating Dork
LenFuegoMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

Seems to me Joe simply thought the ball was caught cleanly, I.e., not on a bounce. He saw the LF dive and the ball end up in his glove … and just missed the bounce. In that case, yeah, he needed to get on his horse and get back to first to avoid the double play.

Barney Coolio
2 years ago
Reply to  LenFuego

Yeah, I am not sure if Connor Joe can really be blamed on that one, it seemed like he was put into a difficult situation.

Barney Coolio
2 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

There are good youtube videos of outfielders throwing guys out at first base. This was more common when pitchers hit.

LenFuegoMember since 2025
2 years ago

One other aspect of the McNeil bailout: the runner overran second base because he did not expect the throw to go to there either, so McNeil had another expedient option to record that out … simply put his glove down and tag the runner out.

Beeks17
2 years ago
Reply to  LenFuego

Then the runner from third might have scored depending on if he crossed home before the tag. Very interesting play all around!

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago

I knew that Connor Joe baserunning disaster wasn’t going to escape notice here! I’ve been watching baseball my entire life and don’t think I have ever seen a play end with two guys attempting to occupy first base before. A truly impressive mental lapse. In terms of forgetting the most basic rules of baseball I can only analogize it to the infamous 2021 Javy Baez “rundown” between home and first.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

There have been a number of times when runners on first have mistaken a trapped ball for a catch. Most of them don’t run as awkwardly as Joe did, but the situation still happens on some occasions. It’s by no means “forgetting the basic rules of baseball.”

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

He literally tried to occupy first base while the batter-runner was standing on it!

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Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
2 years ago

If he thought it was a fly ball, Joe would have to occupy the base to not be put out, regardless of what the batter-runner did.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago

Yes, on reflection I guess there is a defensible argument here that he didn’t forget the rules of baseball — instead, he simply believed that both umpires who’d already made the call, and every other player on the field, was wrong.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

Obviously, he missed the call. That also happens sometimes.

themorningbiscuitMember since 2018
2 years ago

Mooooo(re) of these columns! Love it. Thanks Ben. Think I’ve watched the Winn tag 1000 times now.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago

Besides the awful baserunning, there was another thing not to like for the Pirates in that game. Jared Jones was dealing, with one hit, no walks, and seven K’s, and Derek Shelton pulled him after five innings and 59 pitches. 59 pitches! The Pirates led 1-0 at the time, and lost 3-1.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago

As I have said many times on this forum nothing raises my blood pressure more than this type of pitcher usage. At approximately the same time the Red Sox were allowing Tanner Houck to throw a brilliant Maddux Game. I hate to admit that my cynicism gets a little nudge when horrible managing results in a lost game that should have been played out differently. I am not going to infer that the Pirates would have won if Jones (WOW) had been allowed the couple of more innings he certainly had left in him but nothing can make me accept yanking him after 59 pitches when it is clear to anybody with an open mind, and maybe they need a brain also, that this idea of limiting pitches is going to keep their arms attached has been eviscerated. It is time to let starters who are cruising to continue until they show that they are spent, and I don’t mean a walk with 2 outs in the 7th. As a professional athlete I can tell you that even on a 95 degree day in July you do not get tired walking up the 18th fairway when you are in the hunt.

achidesterMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Shelton and Jones were on the same page going into the game that he was pitching 5 innings that game.

I think it’s fair to debate why an innings limit is in place instead of pitches or times through the order, but there was no variability or feel for how he was performing. The expectation was clearly communicated and understood.

There’s a possibility that Jones pitched as well as he did because he knew he was only going 5.

WARonEverything
2 years ago

On the single out double play turn from McNeil, the unmentioned thing is how Reynolds, the runner from first doesn’t slide and overruns the base, McNeil could have just tagged him out – not saying he should have but it was a horrible play by 3 players, Lindor, Reynolds and Triola. If would have made the play if McNeil were to admit he forgot there were two outs – too funny if the guy who looks to be the hero of the play actually did it because he didn’t know how many outs there were.

WARonEverything
2 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

btw, I tuned in to the Mets call of the game on your recommendation and you were spot on, announcers seeing Jones for the first time get wowed by him. darling I think had 3 or 4 comments about how good he was.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

59 pitches, nine taken for a ball.

wokegraphs3
2 years ago

It was 50 of 59 for strikes btw

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Disagree — you can see, even in the clip above that Reynolds is actively trying to keep his foot on the base. To me, it looks like a clear unintentional overrun.

Reynolds probably slowed down going into second to try to, you know, stay on the base since he clearly didn’t have to slide.

WARonEverything
2 years ago

He is clearly trying to stay on the bag once he realizes the ball is going to McNeil, which he didn’t seem to think was going to happen. And if he slowed going into second to stay on the base, it’s just as bad on his part because he didn’t slow enough. A bad running play all around.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

At least he didn’t try to make a late slide when he already too close to the bag.

fred
2 years ago

“ They don’t make calls like that anymore; no one is that sure of themselves or unafraid to be completely different from the rest of the world.”

i think yours was the best tribute of the dozens i’ve read since the great John Sterling made his retirement known, it was a joy to read, thank you Ben.. i live up in Canada and i’ve always felt the the greatest thing about the internet is being able to have an MLB audio subscription just so i can hear John and Suzyn ,,they both have given me years of pleasure and John will be missed beyond words..

thanks also for your appearances on the Blake Murphy show, your insights are always anticipated and appreciated..

(btw, baseball ref. is the second greatest thing on the internet, with fangraphs not a distant 3rd 🙂

ismailadiemeMember since 2020
2 years ago

This column is one thing I liked this week