Here Come the Mets

Making fun of the Mets’ peripatetic approach to roster construction has become a cottage industry. This offseason was a bonanza. Look! A wild Edwin Díaz has appeared, and he brought Robinson Canó with him. Look! Dominic Smith is somehow playing the outfield in the major leagues on a team with Michael Conforto and Brandon Nimmo on the roster. Look! The team added Jed Lowrie to fully bury Jeff McNeil on the depth chart.

Over the last week before the trade deadline, it felt like more of the same. The Mets were going to ship out Noah Syndergaard, one of the most electric pitchers in baseball. They were trading Díaz, only half a season after paying a king’s ransom for him. They were buyers! They acquired Marcus Stroman, after all. Maybe that was just a tactic, though — Syndergaard rumors continued to pop up, and there was enough smoke around Díaz to the Red Sox that it was easy to assume there was a fire somewhere.

When the dust settled on the trading deadline, the unthinkable had happened. The Mets held on to their most obvious trade chip, Zack Wheeler. Only two months from free agency, Wheeler won’t be helping the Mets in 2020 without a new contract. He’s also in fine form this year, and might bring back some prospects to replenish a farm system depleted by trades and graduations. When the deadline buzzer sounded and Wheeler was still wearing blue and orange, the take mills started up. What was Brodie Van Wagenen doing, and how could it best be played for comedy?

It might be time to put away your LOLMets kazoos and pom-poms. The Mets are surging, winners of 15 of their last 20 games, and they’ve run their playoff odds up from 3.9% to 32.7%. A team that earlier this summer felt like a punchline now has better odds of making the playoffs than offseason darlings like the Brewers and Phillies.

It’s easy to forget that the 2019 Mets were supposed to be good — not the class of the NL East, but a competitive team. Four FanGraphs writers picked them to reach the postseason, nine picked a Mets pitcher to win NL Cy Young, and three picked Pete Alonso as Rookie of the Year. Like your data points more analytical? Our Depth Charts projections predicted 83.8 wins and gave them a 39.6% chance of making the playoffs, better odds than the Braves, Brewers, Twins, or Rays.

The good vibes didn’t end in the preseason. The Mets began the season like a house on fire, 9-4 in their first 13 games. Our playoff odds gave them a 57.3% chance of making the postseason. Jacob deGrom was indomitable, Alonso was firing on all cylinders, and all looked right in the world.

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The reason it’s hard to remember the gangbusters start is because of what came next. They became the baseball equivalent of a burning dumpster, disintegrating to the tune of a 30-45 record over their next 75 games. On July 5, they were 39-49 and had a 5.6% chance to make the playoffs. This isn’t a case of picking a convenient endpoint, either: over the next three weeks, they went 7-6, and their playoff odds bottomed out at 3.9% a week before the trade deadline.

Most teams, faced with 1-in-20 odds of making the postseason and in possession of valuable players like Syndergaard and Wheeler, would pack it up. The Mets had other plans. The first domino was the Marcus Stroman trade, a monumental upgrade. Stroman pushed Jason Vargas out of the rotation; our Depth Charts projected the upgrade to amount to around 10 runs over the 11 rotation turns left in 2019. Stroman will be on the Mets in 2020, but he also represented a serious improvement for the rest of this season.

Adding Stroman gives the Mets a superlative set of starting pitchers. It was far from a weakness beforehand — they had accumulated the fourth-most WAR (and 12th-most RA9-WAR) among rotations this year on the day they traded for the right-hander. Now, though, it’s projects to be the best rotation in baseball for the remainder of the season per our Depth Charts projections:

Starting Rotation Projections (Rest of Season)
Team IP ERA FIP WAR
Mets 296 3.68 3.68 6.1
Nationals 299 3.97 3.85 5.8
Astros 295 3.91 3.97 5.6
Reds 296 4.01 4.06 5.5
Dodgers 277 3.65 3.74 5.5
Yankees 288 4.37 4.41 5.0
Cubs 292 4.08 4.15 4.7
Twins 291 4.43 4.38 4.7
Red Sox 273 4.22 4.09 4.5
Rays 279 4.04 4.14 4.5

Adding a single player isn’t enough, on its own, to bump a team’s playoff odds from laughably low to eminently reasonable. Truth be told, even before adding Stroman, the Mets had started to right the ship. A four-game winning streak had them within five games of .500. Our ever-indispensable playoff odds gave them an 11.2% chance of making the postseason before adding Stroman.

Still, plenty of GM’s with an 11% chance of playing in October would have throw in the towel and built for the future. With Stroman on board, the team climbed to a 14.5% shot, and a win on July 30 raised those odds to 16.5%. At this point, Van Wagenen made a decision I absolutely love. A 1-in-6 shot at making the playoffs isn’t nothing, but the safe move would have been dealing Wheeler for a marginal return. Flip Wheeler for half of what you paid for Stroman, play out the string with marginally lower odds of making the playoffs, and laud yourself for building for today and tomorrow simultaneously.

That might be the best move from a publicity standpoint, but it ignores the specific spot the Mets find themselves in. Adding Simeon Woods Richardson or Anthony Kay to the current incarnation of the Mets isn’t quite pointless, but it’s close. The Mets, this year, are a good team. We project them as the 10th-best team by unadjusted winning percentage for the balance of the year, in a group of six teams (Cubs, Twins, Indians, Rays, Mets, and Braves) just below the true heavyweights. The Braves have enough games in hand that the NL East crown isn’t in question, but the Mets are no joke.

The Mets are also incredibly well-constructed for the playoffs. If they end up with a Wild Card spot, they’ll deploy one of the absolute best starting pitchers in the game and back him up with a bullpen that will add whichever of Wheeler or Steven Matz the Mets prefer in short stints. Their lineup looks formidable, especially with Robinson Canó and Michael Conforto hitting better over the past month. Absolutely no one wants to play the Mets in a short series.

Taking Wheeler out of the equation changes things. It not only makes the team less likely to make the postseason this year (by roughly 3%, if you think his value to the team roughly mirrors Stroman’s), but it makes them less formidable in the playoffs. Trade Wheeler, and you don’t get either him or Matz in the bullpen. Your high-leverage relievers are spread thinner, the underbelly of your bullpen comes up more in key situations — you get the idea.

The return for trading Wheeler wouldn’t fit the Mets’ timeline. The team has its key contributors under contract for next year, but their window starts to close after that. Stroman will be gone. Jacob deGrom is already 31 — he might age well, but he also might not, and it’s never a great idea to bet on the continued health of a pitcher with Tommy John surgery in his rearview mirror.

Robinson Canó is on the books until 2023; ZiPS already thought he’d be a sub-1 WAR player by 2021 before his disappointing 2019. The young core of the Mets have reasonably similar free agency timelines: Conforto, Syndergaard, and Matz will all be in their last year of arbitration in 2021 and gone after that. The next rung down of Mets players aren’t as young as you think — Jeff McNeil is 27, Brandon Nimmo and J.D. Davis are 26, and Seth Lugo is 29. Adding talent you expect to help you in 2022 and 2023 doesn’t make that much sense if your core will be gone.

Given that backdrop, the Mets’ approach around the deadline makes much more sense. They were rumored to want Harrison Bader in return for Wheeler, the kind of move that helps for 2019 while building for the future. The Cardinals rightly turned that deal down, but that style of trade, a need-filling swap that doesn’t ding 2019 postseason odds much, is the only way I would have been willing to deal Wheeler without an overwhelming return.

It’s hard to zig when the world thinks you should zag. It’s not just the fact that you open yourself to criticism, though that certainly matters. Going against conventional wisdom is also difficult because conventional wisdom is often right. Teams with middling shots at the postseason turning expiring contracts into prospects isn’t popular because it’s dumb — it’s popular because it’s often a good decision.

Still, the Mets aren’t every team. They’re built to win in the next few years. Zack Wheeler does a better job of accomplishing that goal than a far-away prospect would, and if the team extends him a qualifying offer, they’ll either get a compensatory pick or the pleasure of employing Zack Wheeler, a great starting pitcher, in 2020.

Of course, the decision to acquire and then hold wouldn’t have been possible without the team getting white-hot at exactly the right time. Since July 24, the day when the Mets’ postseason odds hit their low, they’ve been the best team in baseball, 11-1 with a +34 run differential. It’s been an easy patch of the schedule — one against the Padres, six against the Pirates, three against the White Sox, two against the Marlins — but wins are wins, and the team is firing on all cylinders right now. Their playoff odds, so low mere weeks ago, have surged past Philadelphia’s:

It feels strange to say, but the Mets’ lineup doesn’t have many holes. Amed Rosario’s defense has regressed this year, but his offense has never been better — he’s made improvements to his plate discipline and power (from a very low baseline) on his way to a 102 wRC+. The team still doesn’t have a true center fielder, but Michael Conforto has done a shockingly good job faking it while providing his customary offense.

If and when Nimmo returns from a neck injury, he might find it hard to get on the field despite being a career 128 wRC+ hitter who had a 4.5 win season last year. Todd Frazier and Canó are playing well enough to push McNeil to the outfield, and J.D. Davis has more than earned everyday playing time. With Nimmo and the injured Dominic Smith in the fold, the Mets would be in the enviable position of deploying five above-average lefties against right-handed starters, which lines up well against the other teams they might meet in the wild card game — Max Scherzer, Jack Flaherty, Aaron Nola, and Brandon Woodruff are right-handed, and the Cubs have no clear ace.

The team’s biggest hole on the hitting side is probably catcher, where letting Travis d’Arnaud leave has stung more than expected. Wilson Ramos has been bad this year, with much of the ugliness coming on the framing and defense side. If he can return to his previous form (admittedly a sketchy proposition), the Mets could combine an offense with no true holes with the best starting rotation in baseball.

The team’s greatest overall weakness seems to be the bullpen, but even there, we project them to be the eighth-best bullpen in baseball the remainder of the year, and they’ll get to add a starting pitcher to the mix if they make the playoffs. Turning replacement-level innings from Chris Mazza and the exquisitely named Brooks Pounders into relief-juiced Steven Matz outings is a recipe for improvement, and Edwin Díaz remains tremendous despite his shaky 2019.

The Mets didn’t have to end up in their current position. They could have bowed out of the bidding for Stroman, shipped Wheeler off for prospects, and tried their luck in 2020 after giving up on 2019. Instead, they’ve turned two pitching prospects and a conveniently-placed hot streak into a new lease on the 2019 season. Right now, no one wants the Mets as a postseason opponent. Hats off to the team for maneuvering from the comedy of errors that seemed destined to define this season to their current position.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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bullfinch
6 years ago

Good Ben got this article out of his system now, because within two weeks we will be seeing the opposite article- oh, look, the Met’s unsustainable pace really was unsustainable and they have lost 10 of their last 13. Met’s in the playoffs? Ha Ha Ha. This seems like a publicity piece written by the Mets.

JimmyMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  bullfinch

Uh this article isn’t predicated on the Mets keeping up an unsustainable pace. The point is mainly that their hot streak has already put them into contention. They may make the playoffs by just playing a bit better than .500.

OddBall Herrera
6 years ago
Reply to  Jimmy

How do they have an easy schedule left? It’s Nationals, Braves, Royals, Indians, Braves, Cubs, Phillies, Nationals, Phillies, Diamondbacks, Dodgers. Then an easier stretch for the last week and a half.

That’s a bunch of playoff contenders and the Royals.

JimmyMember since 2019
6 years ago

I edited my comment right after submitting – you must have opened the page in that interval. I was going based on the SoS I had seen a couple weeks ago but that was clearly frontloaded.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
6 years ago

That’s not an easy schedule, but outside of the Dodgers none of those other teams are terrifying. If the Mets are going to make the playoffs they’ll need to beat those teams anyway, and I think they’re probably better than the Phillies and Diamondbacks. Nationals and Cubs are close to a push, and depending on how the rotation falls, they have as much a shot as anyone against the Dodgers. Plus, something like 60% of their games are at home. That’s not as important as SoS, but it matters.

EonADSMember since 2024
6 years ago
Reply to  bullfinch

Someone left their reading comprehension glasses at home.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
6 years ago
Reply to  bullfinch

obviously they aren’t going to keep up this current pace, and they are still unlikely to make the playoffs, the point is that they are surging and putting themselves back in the conversation despite being left for dead a month ago

OddBall Herrera
6 years ago

Their big winning streak has coincided with series against:

Padres, Pirates, White Sox, Pirates, Marlins

Except a series against the Royals, their next month looks absolutely brutal. I love the Mets and I’d be happy to see them make it, but color me skeptical.

awferrer
6 years ago

I agree with this stance and comment. I wonder if there is any advanced value (aside from obviously the W) on sweeping a series. It’s like a Madden-ism: Its good to win the games you are supposed to win, better to sweep those series. If they split the upcoming tough series down the middle and dominate these opportunities, making the Playoffs is a reasonable outcome.

LenFuegoMember since 2025
6 years ago

Sure that’s an easy stretch … and if they went 7-5 or 8-4 you could make a case for them being fooled by the results … but they went like 11-1 against that stretch. Those are major league teams and they are not just succeeding, they’re clobbering them all.
When you clobber the easy teams, you can make up some ground, and they sure have.

cavebirdMember since 2018
6 years ago

I give a hat tip to you for acknowledging the schedule that the Mets have played on their run to get back to .500. However, the rest of the article pretty much ignores it, and there is absolutely no mention of the brutal schedule that the Mets have coming up. After finishing the Marlins’ series, until September 16th, when the schedule lightens significantly, the Mets have 3 games against the Royals, 4 against the D-Backs (who just went under .500) and 27 games against teams currently six games or more over .500. If they are still contenders after that stretch, they probably make the playoffs. Otherwise, we’ll get bullfinch’s opposite article in two weeks, lol.

3cardmontyMember since 2025
6 years ago

Man you can’t advertise memes in the summary and then include none in the post. Where are the memes??

BennyandTheMets
6 years ago

Great Article Ben. As a Mets fan, you did a great job echoing my sentiments on this season as a whole. I think they are as deadly as any team in a one game playoff…DeGrom for 6 or 7 followed by Syndegaard and Lugo…that’s a tough 9 innings for any offense.

oozyalbies1
6 years ago

Not a given Jake or even Noah will be available to start that game. If they make it, it’s quite possible they’ll have needed to pitch games 161-162 to even get there.

Connor Grey
6 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

Okay then they’ll start Wheeler or Stroman, who are both perfectly capable. Their rotation is among the deepest in MLB rn.

Richie
6 years ago

No reason at all to fear the Mets in the playoffs any more than any other team. So much research has buried the ‘Pitching Wins Playoffs!’ belief, yet Fangraphs appears to have started a campaign to resurrect THAT!

Oh, and if the Mets have to win their way into the Wild Card game, definite chance DeGrom (or Syndergaard) won’t actually be available for it.

cavebirdMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Richie

Very good point on the second one. As chaotic as the wild card race is this year in the NL, it seems unlike that anyone will be able to set their rotation for the wild card game. It will be whoever’s turn to pitch it is.

Tiago
6 years ago
Reply to  cavebird

The season ends Sunday and the wild card game is Tuesday, so there’s a good chance at least one of DeGrom or Syndergaard would be available.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  cavebird

This is true, but the Mets are fortunate enough to have three (and maybe four, depending on how you look at Stroman with the Mets defense) pitchers they’d be glad to have stat the Wild Card game. The Nats are in a similar position, but if you look at any of the NL Central teams, the Giants and the Diamondbacks, they have a very strong divide between their number one starter and everyone else. If the Mets get deGrom, but they have to faced Woodruff, Scherzer, Ray, Bumgarner, Flaherty or Hamels, well… I’d still take the Mets against anyone but Scherzer, though it’s not ideal. But if both teams end up using their #2 or 3 guys, and the Mets have Syndergaard or Wheeler going against… Chacin? Wainwright? Lester? I’ll take the Mets, thanks.

cavebirdMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  JupiterBrando

The problem with that theory (that the Mets could likely face Chacin, Wainwright, or Lester in a wild card game) is that it assumes that a team with a #2 or #3 starter of that level will make the wild card game. The Nats definitely look like the best of the bunch competing for the wild card.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  cavebird

I agree! But there’s really no matchup that’s insurmountable unless it somehow lands on Stroman or Matz. And in that case, I think they’d get creative.

Moltar
6 years ago

What kills me most about this latest Mets run is that now with Cano down and Diaz being pushed aside for Lugo, we are seeing what the Mets would have looked like without the disastrous trade. And they look pretty good! Imagine seeing this same exciting team, but also have some serious prospect firepower on the way. Just makes me think that Alderson really was a damn good GM.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Moltar

Alderson also signed Jay Bruce and Jason Vargas in the first place. The Cano/Diaz trade looks pretty poor, but BWV also made a great move in picking up JD Davis, who is emerging as a monster hitter even if he is the ultimate poster boy for Dear God, Bring the DH to the National League

TulkasMember since 2024
6 years ago
Reply to  JupiterBrando

Vargas wasn’t a bad buy low candidate for a 5th starter. He was great for a half a season two years ago, was pretty good for half a season this year, and last year was sufficient to finish the season after a dreadful first half. I don’t hate his signing, I just hate the expectation this season that we didn’t need anyone decent behind him.

Jay Bruce I think is a perfect example of why I think we’ll never know about Alderson. He was obviously a bad player that didn’t fit on the team, and I guarantee Alderson knew that. But he had a history on the team and the Wilpons liked him, so how much of that decision was them putting pressure on him? Same thing with the Adrian Gonzales move. I am certain Alderson didn’t look at him and say “yeah, I’ll be he’s gonna be just fine.” I’d bet that it was a matter of him not having the freedom of action to upgrade, that’s all.

Moltar
6 years ago
Reply to  JupiterBrando

Sure, Alderson made a slew of bad short-term signings (multiple years for DJ Carrasco? Frank Francisco? Egads), but I’m never gonna lose that much sleep over a 3/$40m deal or shorter gone bad. They don’t set back a franchise like the Diaz/Cano deal does.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Moltar

I’m not sure I agree. The Diaz/Cano part, sure. But under Alderson’s tenure, the Mets got an allowance of one mid-level free agent per year, albeit with some exception (like if it’s to re-sign a player who was the NL second half MVP in 2015). Giving Jay Bruce 3/39 when they already had Nimmo waiting at AAA is still managerial malpractice. And of the signings they did make in the wake of the World Series, only the Cespedes ones really were justifiable. Alderson had a propensity for taking on aging, slow, power-focused veterans, which was an awful process in the fly ball era, and doubly so because Terry Collins would always play them regardless. Conforto, Nimmo and Dom Smith all lost significant developmental reps under Collins and Alderson.

The idea that the Mets don’t have any money to spend isn’t true. They do have money, and they do spend it, it’s just not as much as they should for a team in New York. Alderson’s issue wasn’t that he didn’t have any money to spend is inflated. It’s just that he was spending $3,600 a month on candles. Time with tell if BVW will be the same way, but something like the J.D. Davis trade — using fringe minor league players to poach a high-upside depth piece from a team that had him blocked — is the kind of trade Alderson would never make. And those, just as much as free agent signings, are the kind of decisions that make a team that’s successful and sustainable.

Adenzeno
6 years ago
Reply to  JupiterBrando

I think those were little jeffy moves. Alderson doesn’t seem kike a guy who would be swayed by Vargas’ 18 wins and putrid second half of 17..

TulkasMember since 2024
6 years ago
Reply to  Moltar

Most certainly. Alderson was an architect of moneyball, one of the premier minds that has driven baseball to where it is today. The shame is that we never saw that because he was hamstrung constantly by the Wilpons and mismanagement. But the Mets have done a sneaky good job in acquiring top talent, especially from their farm system. It’s just been masked by all the other things they’ve done poorly.

mookie28Member since 2016
6 years ago

Surprised about the multiple mentions of Cano playing better as he tore his hamstring and isn’t coming back any time soon. I’m a huge Met fan but we’ll see what happens when the schedule gets tougher. Mets own lineup in the second game of the doubleheader last night was underwhelming to be polite. Realizing it was 2nd game of DH.

BaseballBreaksYourHeart
6 years ago

I am pretty disappointed that so many seem to not understand how Fangraphs playoff odds work. They simulate the season based on projected team strength, i.e they take into account the strength of the rest of the schedule.

cavebirdMember since 2018
6 years ago

Which is why the Mets are still only at 37.3% to make the playoffs.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
6 years ago

To quote the Szym “My favorite thing about the Mets is that they essentially had a terrific deadline (picking up Stroman and NOT trading Thor or Wheeler) because they failed their second part of that plan.”

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Did they fail or was BvW just seeing if they could get Tucker or Whitley from the Astros for Thor and Bader from the Cards for Wheeler? I think BvW did a good job: buy and sell if you can win every deal.

stakhanovitamix
6 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I like Dan, but he clearly takes some level of childish glee in poking fun at the Mets- for a smart person, he seems to barf out a surprising amount of gut-reaction nonsense about the Mets that he defends in the weakest, most general way possible- if at all. (He does engage, at least, even if he’s not willing to question his beliefs! So there’s that.) Regarding the Mets trade deadline, he seems to have created a narrative in which- since he doesn’t hate what the Mets ultimately did- it was an accident and they deserve no credit. I don’t know what their actual strategy was, but I have the same question as Shalesh’s- does the fact that they were listening on offers mean that they really did want to trade away Wheeler/Diaz/Syndergaard– or just that they were open to Godfather offers that could make them better immediately and in the near future?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

I think that generally speaking, when a team invests that much time in shopping a guy, that means that they want to trade them away. I don’t know how much any of that applies to BVW, who clearly operates by a different school of thought in a number of areas. So I think it makes total sense that we all thought that he wanted to to trade Syndergaard and Wheeler, and it also makes sense that we all might have been wrong.
Or, maybe we were right, he wanted to trade them, but the offers were terrible; given what he got Stroman for, that wouldn’t have surprised me either.

coldbagel12Member since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Indians did something similar this year with shopping Trevor Bauer. The difference is that we all assumed the Indians would try to thread the needle with competing now and later, but we all assumed the Mets were idiots. Maybe they weren’t.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  coldbagel12

Except if they were trying to trade for Stroman and trade away Syndergaard they would be shortening their competitive window instead of lengthening it. So it would have been the reverse of what Cleveland was doing, and it would have been idiotic. But as I mentioned before, it’s entirely possible the rumors that they were going to trade Syndergaard were overblown. The smartest play under that scenario would have been trade for Stroman, trade away Wheeler, keep Syndergaard.

vivalajeter
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

“Except if they were trying to trade for Stroman and trade away Syndergaard they would be shortening their competitive window instead of lengthening it.”

How could you possibly know that, without knowing what they were asking for in exchange for Syndergaard? They didn’t seem to come particularly close to trading him, despite every team in baseball wanting to have him. That indicates that they asked for way more than he’s worth. It’s entirely possible that they would have been better now, and in the future, if a team was willing to overpay.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

Also, I’m not sure if that’s true about Dan and the Mets. I don’t remember him being particularly negative on any of their offseason moves. He picks on a lot of teams for a lot of reasons…the Rockies and Royals being his most frequent targets, but also the Pirates. I remember he picked on the Mets for failing to sign Gio Gonzalez but that’s the only thing I remember.

toddball
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Sorry, but gvanlue is dead on about this one – Dan made that very argument in his chat today, along with a sprinkling of backhanded comments about the Mets throughout. Just google his name and “Mets”, and you’ll see. He seems to like the Mets about as much as grilled cheese sandwiches or Maduro.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  toddball

and much like both of those other things, he has his head completely up his ass and has no idea what he’s talking about

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  toddball

Have you seen him talk about other teams though? I mean, half of the fanbases are convinced that Dan hates their team. They might be right, but I don’t think the Mets are even close to his biggest target.

stakhanovitamix
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I follow him on Twitter- because I’m interested in a lot of what he has to say that doesn’t involve the Mets- and he totally has a handful of pictures, etc. that he recycles any time he thinks the Mets are doing something stupid- a doctored version of the “Mindset” board, for example. I haven’t noticed him doing this with any other team, though it’s true that he does pick on plenty of other teams. I feel like the difference, though, is that with a team like the Royals he will actually provide a reasoned argument– whereas, with the Mets, it’s a lot of low-hanging fruit and memes. It feels lazy and infantile. The more frustrating thing is what feels like a complete inability to acknowledge that the Mets make plenty of good decisions alongside the questionable ones. There’s a tendency that is pretty widespread to blame any decisions that don’t work out on incompetence, stupidity, and greed; and decisions that do work out are either ascribed to serendipity or just ignored. It’s a simplistic, narrative-driven approach that doesn’t come close to doing justice to the complexity of reality.

TulkasMember since 2024
6 years ago

The Mets really don’t get enough credit for the things they do well. This is a team that went to the world series only 4 seasons ago, and despite terribly crippling injuries to some of their best players (Harvey, Cespedes, Wright) have managed to consistently put together a team with a ton of talent. They do have a problem with underperformance, largely on the back of the mismanagement that is their ownership, but this is not a team deserving of the level of ridicule they often receive.

I especially like how Ben is looking at their window–he’s right that there really isn’t a better time to go for it than right now. It will be a hard crash if it fails, certainly. There won’t be a Braves-style quick turnover period. And when they do hit the bottom, I doubt the Wilpons have the ability to guide an Astros-style ascension. But I really like this. I like that the Mets have an outside shot and are going for it. This is the kind of thing writers have written elegies about. It’s the kind of old school thought we remember so fondly and wish more teams did, as long as it isn’t our team that has to do it. This team won’t build a perennial contender, but it will give us one hell of a run. And if it works, well, that’s all that will matter.

LenFuegoMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

Yeah, I am a Mets fan who was down on their trade deadline transactions and non-transactions, but this article and Ben’s take on their window definitely made me see how they almost have to go for it in this window, because there is a catastrophic crash coming in the 2021-22 time frame regardless of what they do now.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  LenFuego

Yup. Now’s the time to go for it and put a looooooot of time and resources into international scouting and player dev.

jmMetsMember since 2021
6 years ago

I’m curious if FanGraphs is considering adjusting their postseason win probability formula? If your playoff probability can increase ten-fold in the span of two weeks in July/August when the team in question is playing the weakest part of their schedule, clearly there’s something wrong with the formula/projections. I understand noise plays a role in any statistical projection algorithm, but this sort of jump doesn’t seem like it can come just from noise. Either the current projections are too optimistic, or the old projections underestimated the Mets’ performance drastically during the last 20 days.

As a side note, Robinson Cano might be out for the remainder of the season (or at least it will be a few weeks). Unfortunate that an article published today didn’t mention it (the article makes it seem like the writer wasn’t aware of it) despite the news coming out yesterday (and the injury happening two days ago).

apforman1Member since 2024
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Plus every team in front of the Mets went 6-6 or worse over the same span.. so not a huge surprise given the amount of ground they made up, that their playoff odds have swelled so tremendously.

LenFuegoMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Terrific response, Ben. For some reason, quite a few commenters do not see how it is one thing to go 7-5 or maybe 8-4 against weak competition … and quite another thing altogether to go 11-1.

TulkasMember since 2024
6 years ago
Reply to  jmMets

It’s worth pointing out that the Mets were projected to be a good team. Fangraphs relies heavily on their preseason projections. Because the Mets were so heavily underperforming, a big run like this would be more favorable for them because it’s confirming what the algorithm originally thought about them. It’s not completely crazy how much they changed.

TomahawkChopperMember since 2020
6 years ago

I’m looking forward to a DeGromm – Scherzer Wild Card, with the winning team getting to face Ryu, Kershaw and Buehler in the Divisional Series.

mike54t4
6 years ago

“Most teams, faced with 1-in-20 odds of making the postseason and in possession of valuable players like Syndergaard and Wheeler, would pack it up. The Mets had other plans.”

I would not say they “had other plans”. Brodie clearly wasn’t planning this. Why would he trade Vargas to Philly for nothing if he planned on chasing the wild card down. He got stuck with Wheeler, the Mets got hot and now looks good… Lets hope this continues #L*GM

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  mike54t4

Because Vargas wasn’t so good they couldn’t give him up, and I don’t think his marginal skill was worth keeping around after he threatened a reporter. They also seem to be reasonably confident in Walker Lockett for, uh, some reason.

frankMember since 2025
6 years ago

Please now write the article titled “Here Come the Giants”

Adenzeno
6 years ago

“Amed Rosario’s defense has regressed…” It has never been good, but lately he has played better…I still think this is a 76 win team…Management is poor, FO is poor, Ownership is bad, defense better without Cano, but still not great