JAWS and the 2024 Hall of Fame Ballot: Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez

The following article is part of Jay Jaffe’s ongoing look at the candidates on the BBWAA 2024 Hall of Fame ballot. For a detailed introduction to this year’s ballot, and other candidates in the series, use the tool above; an introduction to JAWS can be found here. For a tentative schedule and a chance to fill out a Hall of Fame ballot for our crowdsourcing project, see here. All WAR figures refer to the Baseball-Reference version unless otherwise indicated.
In my previous multi-candidate roundup, I paired two lefties who haven’t gotten much traction on Hall of Fame ballots thus far in Andy Pettitte and Mark Buehrle. As a means of completing my coverage of the major candidates before the December 31 voting deadline, it made sense to group them into a single overview and invite readers wishing to (re)familiarize themselves with the specifics of their cases to check out last year’s profiles. Today, I’m doing the same for a pair of elite hitters who would already be enshrined if not for their links to performance-enhancing drugs: Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez.
Like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, both sluggers have transgressions that predate the introduction of drug testing and penalties in 2004. Via The New York Times (Ramirez) and Sports Illustrated (Rodriguez), both reportedly failed the supposedly anonymous 2003 survey test that determined whether such testing would be introduced. Had they not pressed their luck further, both might already be in Cooperstown alongside 2022 honoree David Ortiz, who reportedly failed the survey test, too. Alas, Ramirez was actually suspended twice, in 2009 and ’11; the latter ended his major league career, though he traveled the globe making comeback attempts. Rodriguez was suspended only once, but it was for the entire 2014 season due to his involvement in the Biogenesis scandal and his scorched-earth attempt to evade punishment.
Ramirez debuted with 23.8% on the 2017 ballot and only last year topped 30%. Rodriguez debuted with 34.3% in 2022 but barely inched up in ’23. Given that Bonds and Clemens topped out in the 65–66% range in 2022 and then were passed over by the Contemporary Baseball Era Committee the following year, nobody should be holding their breaths for these two to get elected anytime soon.
Manny Ramirez (33.2% on 2023 ballot)
| Player | Career WAR | Peak WAR | JAWS |
|---|---|---|---|
| Manny Ramirez | 69.3 | 39.9 | 54.6 |
| Avg. HOF LF | 65.1 | 41.6 | 53.4 |
| H | HR | AVG/OBP/SLG | OPS+ |
| 2,574 | 555 | .312/.411/.585 | 154 |
From the 2023 profile intro:
A savant in the batter’s box, Manny Ramirez could be an idiot just about everywhere else — sometimes amusingly, sometimes much less so. The Dominican-born slugger, who grew up in the Washington Heights neighborhood of upper Manhattan, stands as one of the greatest hitters of all time, a power-hitting right-handed slugger who spent the better part of his 19 seasons (1993–2011) terrorizing pitchers. A 12-time All-Star, Ramirez bashed 555 home runs and helped the Indians and the Red Sox reach two World Series apiece, adding a record 29 postseason homers along the way. He was the World Series MVP for Boston in 2004, when the club won its first championship in 86 years.
For all of his prowess with the bat, Ramirez’s lapses — Manny Being Manny — both on and off the field are legendary. There was the time in 1997 that he “stole” first base, returning to the bag after a successful steal of second because he thought Jim Thome had fouled off a pitch… the time in 2004 that he inexplicably cut off center fielder Johnny Damon’s relay throw from about 30 feet away, leading to an inside-the-park home run… the time in 2005 when he disappeared mid-inning to relieve himself inside Fenway Park’s Green Monster… the time in 2008 that he high-fived a fan mid-play between catching a fly ball and doubling a runner off first… and so much more.
Beneath those often comic lapses was an intense work ethic, apparent as far back as his high school days, that allowed Ramirez’s talent to flourish. But there was also a darker side, one that, particularly after he left the Indians, went beyond the litany of late arrivals to spring training, questionable absences due to injury (particularly for the All-Star Game), and near-annual trade requests. Most notably, there was his shoving match with 64-year-old Red Sox traveling secretary Jack McCormick in 2008, which prefigured Ramirez’s trade to the Dodgers that summer, and a charge of misdemeanor domestic violence/battery in 2011 after his wife told an emergency operator that her husband had slapped her face, causing her to hit her head against the headboard of the bed. (That domestic violence charge was later dropped after his wife refused to testify.) Interspersed with those two incidents were a pair of suspensions for performance-enhancing drug use, the second of which ran him out of the majors.
For all of the handwringing about PED-tinged candidates on the Hall of Fame ballot over the past decade, Ramirez was the first star with actual suspensions on his record to gain eligibility since Rafael Palmeiro in 2011. Like Palmeiro, he has numbers that would otherwise make his enshrinement a lock, and he’s fared better than his predecessor, not that it’s saying much.
More here.
Alex Rodriguez (35.7% on 2023 ballot)
| Player | Career WAR | Peak WAR | JAWS |
|---|---|---|---|
| Alex Rodriguez | 117.5 | 64.3 | 90.9 |
| Avg. HOF SS | 67.7 | 43.2 | 55.5 |
| H | HR | AVG/OBP/SLG | OPS+ |
| 3,115 | 696 | .295/.380/.550 | 140 |
From the 2023 profile intro:
More so than Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, or Roger Clemens, Alex Rodriguez is the poster child for the era of performance-enhancing drugs within baseball. Considered “an almost perfect prospect” given his combination of power, speed, defense, and work ethic, the 6-foot-3 shortstop was chosen by the Mariners with the first pick of the 1993 draft and reached the majors before his 19th birthday. In short order, he went on to produce unprecedented power for the position via six straight seasons of at least 40 homers, two with at least 50, and three league leads. Along the way, he signed a 10-year, $252 million deal with the Texas Rangers in January 2001, at that point the largest guaranteed contract in professional sports history.
In a major league career that spanned from 1994 to 2016, Rodriguez made 14 All-Star teams, won three MVP awards and two Gold Gloves, and became just the fifth player to reach the twin plateaus of 3,000 hits and 500 home runs, after Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Eddie Murray, and Rafael Palmeiro. Along the way, he helped his teams to 12 postseason appearances, but only one championship. Though he sparkled at times in the postseason, he also went into some notorious slumps that only furthered the drama that surrounded him.
Always with the drama! Rodriguez’s combination of youthful charisma, success, and money magnified his every move, and his insecurities and inability to read the room guaranteed further tumult the more intense things got. Because of his proximity to Derek Jeter, first as a friendly rival within a trinity of great young shortstops that also included Nomar Garciaparra and then as a teammate once the Yankees became the only club that could afford his contract, Rodriguez became an easy target for tabloid-style sensationalism long before he dated Madonna and Jennifer Lopez. His inability to get out of his own way only intensified once he got to New York, even before his PED-related misdeeds put him in the crosshairs.
Indeed, Rodriguez could have been a contender for the title of the greatest ballplayer of all time, but how much of his success, particularly his power, owed to PEDs is a question that will forever dog him, and us. In the wake of a 2009 report by Sports Illustrated’s Selena Roberts and David Epstein that he was among the 104 players who failed the supposedly anonymous ’03 survey test, Rodriguez admitted that he began using anabolic steroids not as an aging ballplayer looking to hold onto an edge but as a 25-year-old in his physical prime, one under self-imposed pressure to live up to his mega-contract. Later reporting revealed that he received a therapeutic use exemption allowing him to use testosterone during his MVP-winning 2007 season. Most damningly, from 2010 to ’12, he reportedly purchased and used PEDs from Biogenesis, a Miami anti-aging clinic, which — after much wrangling, including lawsuits against the league, the players union, and the Yankees’ team doctors — led to a 211-game suspension, later reduced to 162 games, covering the entire 2014 season.
Improbably, Rodriguez managed an impressive comeback from all of that, with an unexpectedly strong 2015 season accompanied by welcome doses of humility, humor, and candor. Injuries and age prevented him from sustaining the physical aspect of that comeback, but his August 2016 retirement was something of a lovefest.
Whatever feel-good sentiments arose at that point aren’t likely to carry over enough to elevate Rodriguez to Cooperstown…
More here.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
Rodriguez’ ineptitude as an announcer would almost be enough for me to exclude him from the Hall if I didn’t already due to the way he handled 2014. God, he’s so bad. It’s the level of bad I imagine Ted Williams was as a manager.
“Just hit .350. What, are you stupid?”
I remember watching Ranger games back in the day. Tom Grieve was the color announcer, and back when he was a player Williams was his manager. He said Williams would get so frustrated with them he’d take the bat out of their hands and proceed to hit perfect line drives every time.
Two of the best players I’ve ever seen. Manny as a hitter only, but A-Rod was right up there with Griffey, Trout, or any no -Bonds guy as the best overall players I’ve ever seen. Too bad I can’t tell how much of it was real.
Yes for A-Rod no for Manny. I like to apply a discount to steroid guys, if you credit A-Rod with his full Seattle production (when any thought of him using steroids is just speculation) and credit him with 50% of his remaining career WAR knowing that he was on steroids for at least some of the time, he’s still easily a Hall of Famer. For Manny, the discount plus multiple suspensions just knocks him out of the Hall completely. Not the cleanest solution (these are messy cases after all) but it feels like a fair way to still give the great steroid users a chance at the Hall while punishing them to some degree.
A-Rod was one of my favorite players dating back to Backyard Baseball 2001…but I really don’t think there’s a justification to give his Seattle days any benefit of the doubt, given the relentless lying before, during, and after he got caught.
that’s fair, but to me we can only operate based on what we know, and we have no knowledge of steroid use in Seattle. Even if you want to say he used steroids his entire career and dock half his career WAR he’s still borderline HOF. I 100% understand people who don’t vote for him because of his steroids, lying, narcissism, etc. but I personally would vote for him (I am admittedly biased because he once gave a thumbs up to my “We support A-Rod” sign at a game in 2013, lol).
Moreover, there are endless rumors (which Jaffe tackles in the linked piece) about A-Rod’s steroid use beginning in high school.
Given the era, it’s far from inconceivable that an elite high school athlete in the 90s would have gotten his hands on and experimented with steroids.
I still remember my outrage at the MUCKRAKER claiming that A-Rod wasn’t clean, and never had been, in 2008.
I personally don’t buy those rumors. It seems the only basis for them is that A-Rod added a bunch of muscle and strength one year, which really is not that uncommon for an elite young athlete with a good work ethic going through puberty while following a good diet and training program. Even average Joes who have never trained before can add a lot of strength in a short time naturally if they follow a good program.
I agree that generally it’s far from crazy for an elite athlete to make incredible progress once they start training properly.
However, the basis for these rumors is that Selena Roberts is a good reporter who tracked down sources who made those claims: https://www.nydailynews.com/2009/04/30/a-rod-took-steroids-while-with-yankees-and-as-teen-claims-new-book
Additionally and unfortunately with A-Rod, it’s completely fair to assume the worse about PED usage given his track record.
Also, for what it’s worth (and obviously, that’s in the eye of the beholder), Jose Canseco believes A-Rod was using in high school.
From the above link:
Seems to me your views on this are just a reflection of your views on A-Rod. If you hate A-Rod, why wouldn’t you believe he used steroids in high school? If you have a slightly more charitable view of A-Rod, the sources of these claims (Jose Canseco and two unnamed former high school classmates) don’t exactly elevate them to the level of gospel truth (also worth noting that Roberts doesn’t have a flawless record herself).
Basically, if you can’t stand A-Rod and think he’s a cheater unworthy of the Hall, I don’t blame you. He certainly has not earned the benefit of the doubt, but to me he was so superior compared to his contemporaries (many of whom also used steroids) that he merits enshrinement despite cheating.
A-Rod’s 2009 denials about using in HS are worth EXACTLY as much as his 2009 and 2014 denials about using in the MLB.
Shit man, there were steroid users on my high school team years before that, and none of them were anywhere near A-Rod’s stature.
Funny that Manny is below the peak standard, given the comic book numbers he put up at the height of the steroid/silly ball era. Those terrible defensive numbers really take a toll (though there may be some Fenway effect). Crazy times.
ARod should be in.
Two of the all-time greats. Both should be in the Hall of Fame. ARod is a slam dunk—he was in the top 1% since he was 19. Manny could rake in both the regular season and was clutch in the playoffs. Stop moralizing, folks!
It’s less “moralizing” than “marveling at their idiocy.”
Both Manny and A-Rod got massive contracts during the Wild West, based on performances that had their tickets punched to the Hall of Fame.
They both had legions of fans willing to excuse any indiscretions from that era, as long as they kept clean.
And yet…despite every financial and social incentive…they kept. fucking. cheating.
Should Curt Schilling be in?
Ramirez tested positive for human chorionic gonadotropin, a women’s fertility drug.
It’s an outrage/continued sign of the dominance of the Evil Patriarchy that this would be held against Ramirez. Sure, we live and breathe baseball on this site, but these athletes are people first and foremost. If Ramirez decided it was time to start a family, that shouldn’t negatively affect HOF consideration.
I give Arod a huge demerit for his 2014 PED fiasco, but weighing that against his inner-circle hall of fame accomplishments, I still come out as a yes. Manny’s just not nearly the player and his transgressions to me are even a little worse. So he’s a no for me.
A-Rod is too good to not be a HOF. Outside of steroids, there’s no valid reason to vote for Utley > A-rod.
Unfortunately for A-Rod, we are inside of steroids.
Well, steroids are inside of him.
Everyone has their own lines. I tend to think ARod should be enshrined because his greatnesses was SO great. Manny has felt like a borderline case to me for years but that’s more the defense than anything else and—as someone who is a yes for Sheffield—I may be changing my mind on him.
I also just really liked watching Manny hit and ARod do everything.
At the same time it’s totally understandable why they don’t get any support and I doubt either ever makes it in.
I wonder how veterans committees will feel about this all in 20 or 40 years. While I wouldn’t BET on them being okay with it, it is quite possible that there will be a major shift in opinion as a new generation comes to the fore.
Watching Manny was awesome.
Slight difference between Manny and Sheffield:
Sheffield used steroids unintentionally, while they weren’t banned by the MLB and told the truth about it.
Manny used steroids intentionally, while they weren’t banned by the MLB; then he used steroids intentionally while the were banned by the MLB and lied about it; then he intentionally used steroids again while they were banned by the MLB.
I find it to be totally hypocritical that Bud Selig is in the Hall of Fame, while either turning a blind eye (complicity) or naivety (incompetence in addressing the steroid and other performance enhancing drug issues). I am conflicted by Manny and A-Rod candidacies due to their use of these drugs, but I do strongly feel if they are not elected, Selig should not be in the Hall either.
I firmly believe Selig should be expelled, and that Bonds and Clemens should be inducted.
I also have zero sympathy for A-Rod and Manny.
I can’t wait until we look up in 15 years and Rob Manfred is in the Hall of Fame.
Beyond steroids, Selig was also neck deep in the collusion scheme against the players in the 1980s, and was one of the ringleaders in outing Fay Vincent. Just a snake on every level.
Sooner or later, some of the elite steroid users are going to find their way into the HOF. There will be a special committee that happens to be pack with members who are ready to say yes, or there will be a year in which a second ballot will appear for players past their ten year, or something. We know there are users who have been inducted. I will not be happy when that day arrive, but reality tells us that raw statistical accomplishments eventually are recognized, even when obtained without integrity. I don’t think they will get down to a level where the player in question seemed unlikely to have been able to attain his stats without juicing–Sosa and Palmeiro good examples of that. But the elite players, and A-Rod and Manny, Clemens and Bonds are certainly there, they will get in.
Putting Manny in the category of statistical accomplishment with Arod, Clemens, and Bonds, is asinine.
He’s squarely in the Sosa and Palmeiro camp, but those guys are more deserving because they juiced or mostly juiced only when mlb was turning a blind eye.
“Asinine” is unnecessarily insulting just because you don’t agree. I’m not a fan of Manny, but if you want to look at pure statistical criteria
Manny’s slash line .312/.411/.584, OPS+154, Hall of Fame monitor 226
Sosa .273/.344/.534, OPS+128 HOF Monitor 202
Palmeiro .288/.371/.515 OPS+132 HOF Monitor 178
Manny is Bonds or A-Rod among positon players, but he’s also not Sosa or Palmeiro
He’s also a better hitter than Ortiz….286/.380/.552, OPS+ HOF Monitor 171
The article is specifically about A-Rod and Manny. I didn’t think it out of bounds to discuss him. I wouldn’t have voted for any of them–including Ortiz.
Thinking Manny could attain his stats without juicing, but not Sosa or Palmiero? They’re at the same level. Basically the same WAR. Manny probably juiced more. This makes no sense at all; asinine indeed. Not an insult, just my opinion.
I basically agree.
I tend to think it’ll be some form of Veterans Committee Grand Bargain, in which Steroid Era stars known to have been users, whether by admission (McGwire), through the Mitchell Report, positive tests, etc. will be re-assessed. For those who are inducted, they will have an asterisk or some additional language on their plaque specifically mentioning their PED usage/connection.
Nobody will be satisfied or happy with this outcome and, to be clear, I don’t even endorse it. I just think it’s probably how this story ends.
I suspect it will be a long time before there is a sympathetic committee. The Hall itself is pretty clearly not in favor of Bonds/Clemens being inducted and also is the one choosing who is on the committees. I suspect they will stack any committee reviewing their cases with members who are clearly against inducting PED users.
Eventually they will probably be elected, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that doesn’t happen in Bonds/Clemens’ lifetimes.
They should both get in.
Any fan that was glued to the TV or sport during the steroid era has no right to look down on these guys.
Any writer who made their living covering these guys and keeping quiet about the steroids are hypocrites and have no leg to stand on when it come to their “moral” standards.
All of baseball knew what was happening, made untold millions off them, and turned a blind eye until the wind shifted.
Let them in, if you want to put an asterisk on the era when you talk about it, fine. But dragging the guys names through the mud now when the entire sport sat back and counted dollar bills while practically handing the players the needle is nauseating.
Staggering number of ‘too big to fail’ passes for ARod in the comments.
He gets to keep the memories, the championship, and the money. The only thing he doesn’t get—at least right away—is the Hall. That seems like exactly the bargain he agreed to.
I don’t understand any argument that asserts he achieved moral escape velocity through his (remarkable) on-field performance.
I think both had multiple pinches for PEDs, I kind of can’t care too much about the injustice of them beening kept out of the hall. But I think its a bummer to drag ortiz into the discussion. He may have been on the 2003 list, but he never tested positive after, and it feels petty to include him.
Two opposing still give me PTSD as a Yankees fan from the 90s — Edgar and Manny. Those dudes could (and would) just flat-out rake.
I’ve gone back and forth on some of the “PED” guys — Ramirez is probably the one where I’ve changed my opinion back and forth the most. He wasn’t always the best player, and he had plenty of outright shitty behavior, but he was, well, the most Manny player ever. Living in the Manny era was definitely a thing.
Same with A-Rod, but for usually much, much dumber reasons. He might be the most cringe player in recent memory. He could swing from looking smooth and graceful on the field to looking like he was an alien trying to learn what it is to be human off of it.
I’m glad that he seems to have found some level of comfort in his post-playing career. He’s still incredibly awkward at times, but he seems to be more comfortable in just owning it as a broadcast. Still hate listening to him call games, though.
Bonds, Clemens and A-Rod all belong in the hall of fame.
Disgusting people but that isn’t a baseball stat… both should be in.
I’m not exactly going to shed any tears for any of the PED guys not getting in to the hall through the initial voting period. The Hall of Fame is an honor, it’s not a guarantee. And even looking at the generally well-informed debate on a site like this you still don’t have agreement on how to handle the PED era of baseball (Other than eff Bud Selig, I think). Age them off the ballot and let one of the later committees sort it out, hopefully with a greater level of ability to see the whole era through a historical lens, maybe get some clarity from players themselves, etc. It’ll hardly be a sin.
Manny was an incredible hitter and an incredible flake. His skill at the plate made up for his deficiencies in the field, and his peak as a hitter is pretty staggering. But there’s no question he cheated, and kept cheating even after the rules were in place.
A-Rod…my goodness. Tremendous player. Remarkable stats. Often seems barely human? Another guy who has the stats to easily be in the Hall, and unquestionably cheated even after the wild wild west was “over”.
Complicated guys. I’m kinda bored with their candidacy.