Let’s Evaluate Brandon Crawford’s Pitching Debut

John Hefti-USA TODAY Sports

I hate to admit it, but I’m a bit of a grump these days. Specifically, I’m a grump about position players pitching. Every time Jay Jaffe chronicles the spread of the tactic, I get annoyed right alongside him. When some disinterested backup infielder lobs the ball in at 40 mph, I cringe. I was a fan of the rules that limited when teams can send hitters to the mound; in fact, I remember being disappointed that the rules weren’t more stringent when they first came out.

With that said, I have to take it all back now. I’m in on position players pitching – as long as we’re specifically talking about Brandon Crawford. He took the mound to close out a 13-3 Giants victory yesterday and did so in a way that position players simply don’t anymore: He tried as hard as he could.

There have already been multiple excellent breakdowns of how Crawford had always wanted to pitch and how he got the opportunity. I can’t match that kind of coverage – but I can take a different angle. He looked borderline acceptable out there, something you can’t often say of hitters taking the mound. How acceptable? Let’s do a pitch breakdown.

Fastball
I guess it shouldn’t surprise me that a good defensive shortstop can throw hard, but Crawford topped out at 90 mph and even had distinctive four-seam shape. In terms of comparisons to actual pitchers, it looked a lot like Zack Greinke’s four-seamer:

Fastball Characteristics, Selected RHP
Pitcher Pitches Velo (mph) VMov (in) HMov (in)
Zack Greinke 235 89.5 16.6 -2.6
Brandon Crawford 4 88.2 16.4 -4.9

Here it is in action:

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That looks pretty real. I will point out, though, that Crawford also threw five other pitches that Statcast had trouble classifying, but that are probably best described as “slow fastballs.” Some of these were four-seamers in the low 80s, a reasonable variation for someone trying to pitch for the first time. One was a 72-mph prayer thrown after five consecutive balls to start his outing. As it turns out, pitching for the first time since high school can create some inconsistency:

I consulted our pitching models to get a sense for how good this pitch was. The answer: bad. PitchingBot, which grades on a 20-80 scale, gave the fastball a 24 stuff grade. Stuff+ gave it a 77, where 100 is average and higher is better. I don’t think pitchers are going to start duplicating the Crawford fastball anytime soon.

Changeup
Naturally, Crawford complemented his fastball with a hard changeup. There are more shades of Greinke here; his changeup averaged 86 mph, about the same as his fastball. This wasn’t a classification issue, though: his five changeups had a clearly distinct movement profile. He killed the lift on the pitch surprisingly well; it dropped about 10 inches more than his fastball (excluding that one 72-mph laugher) and had an additional six inches or so of arm-side fade. This looks strikingly like something a pitcher might throw:

Reasonable observers might quibble with Crawford’s ability to locate his changeup. He threw five of them and only hit the strike zone once. But – and I can’t believe I’m saying this – his misses were in reasonable locations, and the pitch really did have a ton of movement. Blake Sabol even played along by trying to frame one into the zone:

No doubt about it: Crawford’s changeup is his best pitch. He earned a swinging strike against a hitter with a 154 wRC+ (and a 31.6% strikeout rate, to be fair). Our pitching models… well, one agreed with me. PitchingBot gave the changeup a 40 stuff grade, which is about the same as the grades the models give changeups thrown by Alex Cobb, Sean Manaea, Jakob Junis, and Anthony DeSclafani. Stuff+ didn’t buy it, giving the pitch a 66, worse than his four-seamer.

In this specific instance, I think there’s only one conclusion: Stuff+ is wrong and Crawford’s changeup is great. That pitch shape could actually play in the majors; it looks similar to changeups thrown by Cal Quantrill, Dane Dunning, and Miles Mikolas. It’s notoriously hard to define what makes a changeup good or bad, but c’mon, let’s give Crawford the benefit of the doubt here. That looks like a good pitch.

Curveball
Oh, you thought Crawford was going to stick to two pitches? Crawford wasn’t just trying hard with velocity; he brought a breaking pitch or two in his bag of tricks. Like his changeup, Crawford had trouble locating his curveball, but it was pretty clearly a curveball:

He even had a classic pitcher mannerism ready, holding his follow through like he thought he’d thrown a strike. When he got the pitch over the plate, it induced weak groundball contact:

Side note: Want to know how excited the Giants defenders were that Crawford was pitching? Watch J.D. Davis’ double play attempt there — in a 10-run game — and you’ll have your answer.

Regretfully, I have to admit that Crawford’s curveball isn’t quite ready for the big leagues. PitchingBot gave it a 24 for stuff. Stuff+ gave it a 71. Actual pitchers with curves that slow induce more drop on the pitch; if you’re not throwing a breaking ball hard, you have to get a ton of movement to make up for it. If Crawford were doing this as his day job, his pitching coach would tell him to ditch the breaker and focus on his fastball and changeup.

Slider
You might think that a lone slider was simply a misclassified curveball. You’d be wrong. Crawford’s slider had a completely different shape:

Breaking Ball Shape, Brandon Crawford
Pitch Velo (mph) VMov (in) HMov (in)
Curveball 74.2 -7.9 13.5
Slider 81.3 4.1 5.6

It’s somewhere between a gyro slider and a sweeper, but clearly a distinct pitch from that curveball. Touching the low 80s with movement is no laughing matter. It’s also the best pitch in major league baseball history when it comes to outs per pitch thrown, minimum one pitch thrown:

Was he aiming there? It seems doubtful. Is that the pitch he was trying to throw? Who knows! That doesn’t make me enjoy it any less, though. When’s the last time you saw a position player with a four-pitch mix?

Depending on which model you favor, that might be Crawford’s best pitch. Or his worst pitch. PitchingBot gave it a flat 20 on the 20-80 scale, while Stuff+ gave it a solid 104. A reasonable takeaway is that it’s hard to model stuff with only a single pitch. An unreasonable takeaway: Crawford’s slider defies categorization and retires major league hitters 100% of the time he throws it.

Should Crawford be a pitcher? I mean, no. There aren’t a lot of major league roster spots out there for pitchers who top out in the 80s and have below-average breaking pitches. But is he surprisingly playable on the mound? Undoubtedly. His changeup looks like a bona fide major league pitch to me. I’m willing to reconsider my stance on position players pitching – so long as everyone who comes in looks as good as Crawford out there.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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srpst23Member since 2025
3 years ago

Thank you for this. I too really dislike position players pitching, but was delighted to read/see this.

pokkit1
3 years ago

Don’t forget Nate Eaton too.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  pokkit1

If you haven’t read the Nate Eaton article, everyone should go read it. It is amazing.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/nate-eaton-needs-to-ditch-his-four-seamer/

Trevor May Care Attitude
3 years ago
Reply to  pokkit1

Not surprising that a position player’s FIP is higher than his OBP. Except when his FIP is 1.27.

PhilMember since 2016
3 years ago

Being really pedantic (because I know what you mean, and that is a good spot), but as his FIP is above 1.00, there is no way his OBP could be higher than it.

PhilMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil

And it has actually been done!

Rob Johnson, catcher, in 2013 pitched for a third on a inning in 2013, and struck out the batter, giving a FIP of -2.97, easily beating his OBP of .237

As did John McDonald, shortstop, who managed to hang around the league with his career 56wRC+ from 1999 to 2014, had the same FIP as Rob Johnson, again much lower than his OBP of .197 for the season (though he played on four teams that year, he only pitched with the Phillies).

Trevor May Care Attitude
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil

Ha, yes — that is an important distinction. Just because we often shift (or ignore) the decimal point in our brains, doesn’t mean it actually moves!

Pwn Shop
3 years ago

One quibble; perhaps a single thrown pitch has induced MORE than one out.

CrapshootMember since 2016
3 years ago

Everything about this is amazing – thank you Ben!

cavebirdMember since 2018
3 years ago

Sorry, I love position players pitching. It does sort of give an advantage of sorts. As Freddie Freeman explained once after getting out (striking out, I think) against a position player: (paraphrasing, I think): it’s hard to hit when you are laughing that hard.

AlbyMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  cavebird

I like it too, provided, as with Crawford here, the pp/p is trying to throw strikes and get outs, not just lobbing it in there. But then I like two-way players, too, and can’t understand why MLB would put rules in place to limit them.

bluerum29
3 years ago
Reply to  Alby

Not a fan of the 45 mph lob ball. Go out there and try and pitch.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cavebird

I don’t know that I like position players pitching…Nate Eaton pitching was great, Chris Davis earning a win in 2012, that stuff is good, Brandon Crawford is kind of okay, but mostly it’s just a big collective shrug.

What I really don’t like is major league baseball coming up with rules prohibiting position players from pitching. It’s part of major league baseball’s increasingly maniacal attempt to control everything. You can’t use position players to pitch, you can’t move fielders around that much anymore, and worst of all, they seem to keep messing with the ball. Sometimes you hit on a good one, like with the pitch clock, but it’s hard to ignore the overall pattern. MLB should just let teams experiment and innovate.

hazelrah
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Not a fan of the lob position player. If they’re trying up there, I love to see it

MikeSMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I completely agree. It isn’t really position players pitching that I am opposed to. What makes me grumpy is that the game evolved to a point where it was happening so often it wasn’t fun anymore, and some of that is on the league. They handled the development poorly.

With starters barely going 5 innings and relievers mostly only throwing one, you need four relievers a game. That’s pretty simple math. Then the league decided that 10 man bullpens were somehow aesthetically displeasing, so limited the number of pitchers you can roster. They did that even though teams were using more of them and position players had gotten more athletic, which means you need fewer guys for pinch hitting, pinch running, and defensive replacements and an extra reliever or two might be more useful. So a team would only have two games worth of relievers at any time, on average. If somebody gets shelled and pulled early, it often ends up with a bullpen being stressed for days. It’s pretty much the average outcome.

Having a position player soak up a few innings a month was a better strategic decision than running a shuttle to AAA for fresh bullpen arms…so the league put legal limits on that strategy, rather than looking for solutions to the problems that got the game to that point. That’s pretty typical MLB behavior and it is very annoying.

EasyenoughMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

Except, the goal is more offense, not making pitchers stronger/healthier/happier.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  cavebird

But Crawford isn’t a joke as a pitcher. I don’t see why a position player who can actually pitch shouldn’t do so whenever the team wants.

bluerum29
3 years ago
Reply to  cavebird

That was against Anthony Rizzo I believe. Classic at-bat. So much fun to watch too. They both enjoyed it.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago

Crawford just looks right out on the mound with the hair and the frame. It kinda goes away when he actually throws and the motion isn’t quite right, but when he is set on the rubber he looks like real pitcher.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

The pitches themselves looked impressive though

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago

He looked awesome. I want him to be John Ward,

JoeyVottoIsGoneMember since 2016
3 years ago

Let’s get Alex Blandino’s knuckleball back in operation.

Envy AngelMember since 2017
3 years ago

That’s actually what I though Crawford was throwing in that second fastball GIF.

bluerum29
3 years ago

I love when position players get to pitch, should happen more often. If the game is a blow out then let them go out there and have fun.

NATS FanMember since 2018
3 years ago

I too like position players pitching and 2 way players, but I think it should be a role with a minimum standard. like the player must throw one pitch that is at least 80 mph or some such. Every team should have one or two guys that are designated 2 way players prior to the game. Those players can hit, field, and pitch just like anyone else that game if needed and switch off as long as they never left the game. Those players could pinch hit, then pitch, then play a position, then pitch again, etc. You could have a game where Ohtani started, then later became the dh, then later in the game pitch to a batter in a crucial spot, then move to right field so he could be held in reserve to pitch again if needed. But, I’m a rebel and expect downvotes on this idea!

mkt42
3 years ago

To flip it around, I’m in favor of the DH because most pitchers are not major league caliber hitters and have no business being forced to go to the plate, with us fans being forced to watch them.

But if a pitcher is good enough to be a reasonable hitter, then good for him (and hurray for the Ohtani Rule).

Most position players are not major league caliber pitchers and have no business being on the mound. But what if the manager decides to put him there anyway, i.e. it’s a strategic decision?

I have mixed feelings. I get Ben Clemens objections, but baseball has a lot of built-in randomness so even a meatball over the plate might result in a line drive out and eventually the guy on the mound gets three outs. Moreover some of these position players, though not capable of pitching at a major league level, are not that far from it.

At the end of a game in most sports, we will routinely see things that would be weird or unacceptable in the middle of a game. In American football the QB might take a knee, or run around in his own endzone until tackled for a safety, in order to run the clock down to a few seconds. NBA games often end with one guy mindlessly dribbling while the other nine players stand around.

Most importantly, and relevant to MLB, if it’s a blowout game then the teams send in the deep bench players, and the whole situation is pretty much irrelevant to anything. We can’t expect aesthetically pleasing performance on the field in those situations. The best we can hope for is something out of the ordinary, such as finding out that the shortstop has a decent slider.

markakis21
3 years ago

I can’t imagine disliking position players pitching. Adds some fun to a blowout!

Greg SimonsMember since 2016
3 years ago

If Crawford were doing this as his day job, his pitching coach would tell him to try being a shortstop. 😉