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Sean Dolinar
Hey! Everyone, we got a dinner-time game today, so we won't be up late, but we do have NFL football to compete with. Though the Tampa Bay game just ended. And the Browns already won.
moomin
man, "And the Browns already won." feels like a sentence from an alternate timeline…
mrperfectpair
Tampa. Need them to win pennant to cash this ticket. They’ve done me well. Al east cashed. I need two more wins. I love fan graphs, love the site. I really appreciate the service.
Brian547
Sigh…
lzfreak
Think the ball is carrying better today
Brian547
for sure
NicklePickers
o/u number of times Messick growing up a Rays fan is mentioned?
lzfreak
It's still weird to me that we're at the point where guys in the big leagues "grew up as" as a Rays fan. They're not that old and they didn't really have fans their first decade
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Depends how long he lasts, not off to the greatest start here…
Davy Andrews
What are you guys talking about?
Davy Andrews
Baseballs?
bosoxforlife
He had to challenge that!
Sean Dolinar
Terrible challenge
bosoxforlife
But not this one.
Sean Dolinar
It’s still way too early for this.
Brian547
According to last night its time to bring the infield in
asf123
The challenges have been just bizarre all postseason.
bosoxforlife
That bobble by Rocchio could turn out to be the play of the year.
lzfreak
Still a lot of baseball left here
David
Guards have not been playing clean D the last couple, and they really have to for Guardsball to work
Sean Dolinar
I feel like in the regular season, you load the bases like that and 3 plus runs score. Postseason you get dinged one run, and no one scores again until the 7th inning.
lzfreak
This postseason in particular seems to be selecting for better pitchers moreso than better hitters
David
How much does this start lead to questioning starting Bailey over Hedges with Messick?
bosoxforlife
I am trying to understand why DeLuca didn't challenge the 2-0 pitch. The leverage index couldn't have been much higher and his body language said he knew it was a ball.
We also don’t get an outfielder running over the parabolic mic guy in the regular season either.
bosoxforlife
I know hitting is tough but a major leaguer should not swing through those two fastballs in the heart of the zone.
wheelhouse
hate both of these teams
Brian547
Upholding the Yankee fan stereo types… "if we cant win I hate everything and everyone" lol
Yer Main Guy
I can't judge. I hate them back.
Sean Dolinar
people have ask for a "Neither" option in the polls, but that was more for the Yankees games.
wheelhouse
no like i particularly hate the guardians' fake offense for how much it gets praised as the only "real baseball" and the rays now adopting it over the past few seasons. swing for the fences like a real team or at least put up a Brewers-level team OBP
Brian547
cry more… im thirsty
wheelhouse
oh yeah? i will
lzfreak
The babip gods are making their presence felt here
David
How much longer can you ride Messick here?
NicklePickers
mostly tough babip luck
Brian547
The infield shifts have ummm not worked… those were both easy outs/potential double plays
NicklePickers
check swings feel like the hardest thing for me to see in real time from CF cams. I’m wrong all the time.
Jon Becker
Hi everyone!
bosoxforlife
What a gift for Messick.
wheelhouse
no team deserves to have given up 2 runs on 5 hits in 2 innings of allowing a .188 xBA as much as cleveland
Brian547
You watch a LOT of CLE games for a Yankee sellout shill.
wheelhouse
you think i'm watching this
Brian547
not sure you know where you are let alone what you are watching
Brian547
I get it Sean… Ill back off. Just dont like the trolls and wanted to push back a bit. Most Yankee fans are not like this.
Bryan Baldwin
Pretty sure Junior would swing at a ball into the stands
asf123
Is that Ronald Acuña ad for Kalshi any less weird with the volume on?
Bryan Baldwin
I’d say it’s more weird
lzfreak
It's much weirder with the volume on
asf123
He lives in a tunnel under home plate, is that the premise??
lzfreak
Yes and you should bet on it or something?
asf123
I bet he actually lives in a house.
Bryan Baldwin
THAT should be a Kalshi bet
Anonymous Member #46
Keebler Elf tree.
asf123
Probably a large one.
Bryan Baldwin
Wow what a catch
Bryan Baldwin
A good poll would be which commercial do you hate the most?
lzfreak
Liberty Biberty is in the mix
Brian547
There is an obvious answer to this question but it is not a fit topic for a baseball chat.
Rich Hill's Fastball
How will Cleveland cover 27 outs here?
moomin
Dunno but I'm excited to find out
Bryan Baldwin
Okay, this is random, but what about letting the winning team in the postseason pick a player from the opposite team for the rest of the post? I know, I’m crazy.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Wow, those 2014 Royals…
Rich Hill's Fastball
This would be a fantastic offseason/lockout article, actually. Say, postseason series of the 2020s where the victor takes a player from their opponent…perhaps Dan can ZiPS up the biggest additions
lzfreak
Simpson is in their heads
asf123
Broadcast booth has a collective Speed Boner.
moomin
they're just like me!
Bryan Baldwin
I mean yes, but can’t blame them
asf123
Is it a prerequisite for being a playoff broadcaster that you have to wish the game were still played like it was in the ‘80s?
Sean Dolinar
That's how they train them in broadcasting school.
Sean Dolinar
Rays are going to score 1 run every inning to win 9-0.
lzfreak
My hot take on bunting is that showing bunt should be treated as a swing and therefore often a strike
Brian547
That has to be caught!!!
NicklePickers
Rays relaxed on challenges
Bryan Baldwin
I think Simpson tried to high five the ump
ncphl
The ump was holding the bat out but Simpson was too far away to grab it
Bryan Baldwin
RISP kings
lzfreak
With the lack of travel day after this it makes this feel more critical than the average 2-2 game 5. Loser is gonna have to really ride their A bullpen
Brian547
Can we get a return interview with Jeff after the Rays win the WS to breakdown the minutia of the playoff decisions, positioning, pitching strategy… or is that too proprietary to ever become public?
Dave from DC
Brew Crew might have something to say about that!
David
Brewers certainly look like the team to beat to my eyes
asf123
Who is the target audience for Limu Emu and Doug?
Bryan Baldwin
Stoners?
David
Haters of all that is good and right?
Sean Dolinar
We should have Jeff and August face off against each in podcast before the WS starts.
Sean Dolinar
* said with the caveat, I have no power to make this happen.
Phil
Are there Fangraphs alumni reunions at the Winter Meeting ever?
Sean Dolinar
All the time, and Saberseminar. Though team employees have more restrictive schedules during Winter Meetings.
Bryan Baldwin
Wow
lzfreak
That was a fun bunt
Rich Hill's Fastball
This is a real fun team
Brian547
Ill admit that was super smart and well executed.
lzfreak
Just a great opportunity to catch them off guard: relatively fast runner who can't really hit anyway, lefty reliever on the mound
cowdisciple
If the WS is Milwaukee against Tampa, it should be a very entertaining defense and baserunning show. When was the last time there was more team speed than that in the World Series?
lzfreak
Probably one of those Royals teams with Dyson, Cain, Gore, etc
Brian547
So quickly you forget Eckstein… FJM remembers…
cowdisciple
But KC played the Giants, who I don't remember as overly fast.
Jon Becker
I did not think Kwan had a chance in the world there
lzfreak
This inning has had some serious excitement
Brian547
Kwan has the best weak arm in baseball
Sean Dolinar
The one-run-per-inning thing looks to be in jeopardy.
Sean Dolinar
oh well.
moomin
love me an exciting scoreless inning (when it's not my team failing)
lzfreak
The circumstances are setting up for Rasmussen to potentially go deep in this game
Sean Dolinar
Cleveland really needs a baserunner. It's been a too long.
moomin
there ya go
Sean Dolinar
the challenge furthered the stated goal.
Sean Dolinar
I've been getting some other work done, and I swear every time I looked up the Rays were on base.
Sean Dolinar
That's a good challenge.
Rich Hill's Fastball
What does it say about the state of these commercials all month that I'm grateful for a Wendy's ad?
Brian547
it says you are sane
Sean Dolinar
I like that they are bringing back the yellow packaging.
Sean Dolinar
Now we need more solariums.
Brian547
Magic 8 ball says Sabrowski
Bryan Baldwin
Holy cow
David
I mean, Walls certainly isn't in there for his bat
Rich Hill's Fastball
The margin feels much bigger than 3 runs
Sean Dolinar
I've used the word feckless a lot in the last 30 minutes talking about Cleveland's offense.
lzfreak
Not one feck
Brian547
In all seriousness the biggest difference in this game has been defensive positioning… Rays =Great, CLE=Bad
Jack Dorfman
On the broadcast the other day, they compared Rasmussen to Doc Halladay… feels apt after this postseason
Bryan Baldwin
Is it just me or could Sabrowski be Messicks brother?
Sean Dolinar
Another TB baserunner…I looked up at the TV.
bosoxforlife
Not for long!
lzfreak
That was the first time all series Bazzana did that right
Bryan Baldwin
Was he even running?
Brian547
Do teams give players scouting reports for the likely defensive alignment they will face on a given night vs a given team vs a given pitcher… Do we know the level of detail in that sort of prep?
ncphl
That was middle-middle to both Kwan and Ramirez
lzfreak
Alright Cleveland is awake
Sean Dolinar
🥱
Rich Hill's Fastball
Here we go
drplantwrench
now its up to everyones favorite former angels player
drplantwrench
sike never mind
Bryan Baldwin
lol shortest half inning ever
Bryan Baldwin
I’ve been shouting at the team to take Rasmussen out but did he listen to me? Nooooo.
Brian547
Welcome to my world with Vogt.
Phil
The reverse communication function on TVs never works as well as it should.
bosoxforlife
Stunning to see Cash, notorious for yanking pitchers, leave Rasmussen in.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Surprised Rasmussen doesn't use that changeup more
lzfreak
Brilliant to not challenge in order to forgo the strikeout in favor of the double play
Bryan Baldwin
That’s advanced fortune telling
moomin
ah, not challenging because you had the double-play pitch charged up, Rays are streets ahead
Rich Hill's Fastball
80-grade reference
Bryan Baldwin
Well of course you’re gonna lose weight if you have diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting
Bryan Baldwin
Ah man I was hoping all three would
Bryan Baldwin
Oh man I was hoping all three would hit each other
lzfreak
I don't love taking out your best hitter in the 8th
Bryan Baldwin
Has DeLuca hit a ball?
lzfreak
It's always an adventure with DeLauter
Bryan Baldwin
That is a very kind way of saying it
asf123
Not a huge fan of chasing this game with Cade Smith with no more off days.
David
Vogt strikes again!
lzfreak
Cleveland bullpen would look way deeper with Clase
Rich Hill's Fastball
Cade here is…questionable
Jack Dorfman
two more ABs for cleveland though… Vogt betting on his bats
Anonymous Member #46
Is Stephen Vogt trying to mismanage the bullpen so badly that he gets fired and can take the open Seattle job so that his wife gets to be by her family again?
Jack Dorfman
4D Chess
Jack Dorfman
I think I want JoRam up to lead off the 9th if I'm Vogt
Jack Dorfman
Unless I want the seattle job I guess
Bryan Baldwin
Kwan on fire today
asf123
Really bad swing decision, but it worked out for him.
moomin
nice wedge play there
David
The visiting bullpen labyrinth shot
Bryan Baldwin
Ahh man I like Booser
Benny The Jet
Feels like you have to go to Baker here, even if it burns him for the 9th
Bryan Baldwin
That was huge
Bryan Baldwin
If I’ve learned anything from these commercials it’s that Americans are very sick and very in need of insurance
lzfreak
Jake Bauers should get an insurance commercial gig
Davy Andrews
This is correct.
Jack Dorfman
Yep
Davy Andrews
I take that back. We are in need of health care.
Bryan Baldwin
Oh wow was that pitch outside
Bryan Baldwin
There’s a lot of depressed vampires here tonight. I mean broken bats.
Bryan Baldwin
Yandy is…inevitable.
Davy Andrews
Wondering what happens if the Guards come back and we go to extras without Yandy and Junior.
Bryan Baldwin
Dogs and cats living together, it’ll be anarchy!
lzfreak
This is a lot of pitches for Smith given that he's basically guaranteed to pitch in every remaining game in this series
szakyl
Martinez in there for defense?
Davy Andrews
Not the ball-catching kind. A different kind.
Brian547
He is Vogt's talisman this year… Why there is one obviously terrible player who he decides to ride into defeat each year is another question all together.
asf123
White Flag warming up in the bullpen.
Davy Andrews
Poor guy.
Bryan Baldwin
Did you see the moon behind him?
Bryan Baldwin
Kwans game
Davy Andrews
That catch sounded weird, right? Like the double tap of a foul tip.
Davy Andrews
Ohhhh. It bounced off the wall — but THROUGH his glove.
Brian547
Imagine if that matters… says the CLE fan hopefully.
lzfreak
Kwan trying to win this game himself
Jack Dorfman
Kwan is the defensive replacement
Bryan Baldwin
Mesa (and Junior) need to stop being selfish
Brian547
WOW
Jack Dorfman
what a giant glove
Bryan Baldwin
Who is this guy in the AT&T commercials? His voice is odd.
Davy Andrews
He's the new Lily. Prepare to see him even more during the NCAA tournament.
Bryan Baldwin
He’s no Lily.
asf123
You people leave the sound on for commercials?
Bryan Baldwin
Yah…
Bryan Baldwin
I mean the remote is at least two feet away…
Brian547
Given the nature of the adds in Ohio… off is the only option. Like leave the game muted to avoid the breaks only option.
Bryan Baldwin
Good AB dude
Bryan Baldwin
lol wth dude
moomin
oof
Bryan Baldwin
How many times do you practice that?
asf123
Knoblauch
Jack Dorfman
i thought lowe tattooed that
Brian547
in an elevator shaft
Brian547
Adell … the first pitch and it was right in the heart again…
Bryan Baldwin
I mean I’m for the Rays but credit to the Guards, they never give up
Jack Dorfman
may cost them tomorrow if the Rays get to Sabrowski, Gaddis or Cade…
Jack Dorfman
But it may not!
Bryan Baldwin
Definitely one of those options
moomin
can't wait for the 6-5 game tomorrow
Bryan Baldwin
What am I going to do when the WS is over 😭😭😭
moomin
stare out the window and wait for spring… or read Fangraphs
Sean Dolinar
Alright everyone. We got at least one more LCS game tomorrow. See you then!