Mets, Juan Soto Agree on Record-Breaking Contract

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A year ago, Juan Soto was the buzz of baseball’s Winter Meetings. It wasn’t because of anything he had agency over, though. The San Diego Padres were reportedly looking to trade him, and they eventually did. This year, Soto is the story again. But instead of waiting to see what his fate is, he’ll get to choose. Or maybe I should say that he did choose, because as Jon Heyman first reported, Soto signed a 15-year, $765 million dollar deal to join the New York Mets.

Presumably, you aren’t reading this article with no background knowledge of who Soto is. Still, I want to give you a refresher, because Soto is such a delightful player. He’s your favorite hitter’s favorite hitter. He has the best batting eye in baseball, and it’s not close. His sense of the strike zone is so good that it feels like he’s dictating the terms rather than the pitcher, one of very few hitters in baseball who gives that impression. He’s perennially one of the best in the game when it comes to avoiding swinging and missing, and he walks nearly a fifth of the time because pitchers are too afraid to challenge him.

Why are they too afraid? Because he’s also one of the best power hitters in baseball. He launched 41 homers and 31 doubles in 2024. He’s hit 201 home runs in his career, seventh-best in the majors over that span. His worst seasonal line was in 2022… when he hit .242/.401/.452 while getting traded mid-season. “Worst” is all relative, though; it was the ninth-best offensive line in the majors that year. Soto is so good offensively that despite being known for patience first and power second, he’s actually 11th in the league in batting average since debuting. He’s just good at every facet of hitting.

Players like this don’t come around very often. They especially don’t get this good, this young, and then go year-to-year with arbitration contracts before hitting free agency. Soto turned 26 during the World Series this year, and hit .318/.522/.563 in a losing effort. Few hitters have been this consistently good right from the jump, and fewer still have done it starting at age 19. That’s how you end up with this ludicrous projection for the next 15 years:

ZiPS Projection – Juan Soto
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2025 .276 .426 .521 528 108 146 26 2 33 100 137 109 7 167 6.2
2026 .274 .427 .518 525 109 144 25 2 33 98 140 106 7 167 6.2
2027 .274 .430 .513 522 108 143 25 2 32 96 143 104 7 167 6.2
2028 .271 .429 .505 521 107 141 25 2 31 93 144 103 6 164 6.0
2029 .263 .424 .481 520 105 137 24 1 29 90 145 103 5 157 5.5
2030 .261 .421 .472 521 103 136 24 1 28 88 144 103 5 153 5.2
2031 .259 .418 .464 522 101 135 24 1 27 86 143 104 5 150 4.9
2032 .258 .417 .457 523 99 135 24 1 26 85 142 104 4 148 4.7
2033 .256 .414 .448 524 96 134 24 1 25 83 141 105 4 145 4.4
2034 .255 .412 .442 525 94 134 24 1 24 81 140 107 3 143 4.2
2035 .254 .409 .437 512 90 130 23 1 23 77 134 105 3 141 3.9
2036 .248 .402 .416 469 78 116 20 1 19 67 120 97 2 133 2.9
2037 .244 .395 .404 423 68 103 18 1 16 58 106 88 2 128 2.2
2038 .244 .394 .401 381 59 93 16 1 14 51 94 80 1 127 1.9
2039 .242 .390 .393 343 52 83 14 1 12 44 83 73 1 124 1.4

Players don’t get projected for five-plus wins six years in the future. They definitely don’t get projected for four wins in a freaking decade. That’s just not how it works. If you’re good enough to produce that many wins now, you’re probably approaching an aging cliff, or aren’t established enough for the model to trust you to keep delivering MVP-level production. But Soto has done it for his entire career, and he’s just so young.

ZiPS is an excellent projection system, but I’m skeptical of its ability to predict 10 years into the future, let alone 15. I think the best way of looking at this is that the model thinks Soto will be great for the next decade, then start to slow down after that. The error bars are no doubt enormous that far out. Baseball is a high-variance game. But imagine how good you have to be at 26 for a projection system, which herds towards the middle, to think that you’ll still be delivering All-Star-caliber production when you’re 36.

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That’s a lot of words to get across a simple point: If you made me pick one hitter in baseball to have on my team until he retired, and told me money were no object, I’d pick Soto. No one his age has anything approaching his track record. He plays nearly every day. His bad seasons are still excellent. He’s played in two World Series and won one of them. He’s coming off of his best season. The accolades go on and on.

That’s not to say there are no downsides. Soto is a middling baserunner and fielder. He’ll cost you a few runs in both phases of the game. He’s great because of his bat – but again, it’s the best bat in baseball, so that’s okay. He’s certainly not the most aesthetically pleasing baseball player – defense is pretty, there’s no way around it – but “beautiful defensive plays” don’t go on the scoreboard and “runs” do. The guy is a run-making machine. The downsides are dwarfed by his phenomenal offensive production.

For that reason, the bidding for Soto’s services was fierce. Every team with a budget that could theoretically accommodate him entered the race. He reportedly wanted to stay on the East coast, and yet the Dodgers entered the fray, because c’mon, it’s Juan Soto!

The whole point of Steve Cohen buying the Mets was that he was going to turn them into a juggernaut. He’s the richest owner in baseball, and the Mets have run enormous payrolls since he took over. They’ve been flexible about how to use them – sometimes signing a coterie of stars, sometimes eating salary in trades to sweeten the deal, sometimes signing a ton of speculative pitchers and hoping to strike gold once in a while. But this move is simpler than that. Cohen is so rich that he could never spend all his money. The best player in baseball, on a forward-looking basis, was available, and for money rather than in trade. So Cohen went out and signed him.

This is the largest deal in baseball history. It’s the largest deal in sports history, in fact, at least from a total dollar outlay perspective. $51 million a year for 15 years would have sounded unthinkable five years ago. It would have sounded unthinkable two years ago, really, until Shohei Ohtani blew the top off of the market last winter. But money is for spending, and deals like this don’t come along often.

If you’re looking to win and don’t care about the monetary side of things, how could you justify doing anything else? Most roster moves are about picking up a marginal half a win, maybe a whole win if you’re really cooking. Juggling two players perfectly might provide some unseen synergy. Picking the right starting pitching options in free agency is nice, of course: signing Sean Manaea last offseason instead of, say, Wade Miley was a coup for New York.

Those are hard ways to pick up wins, though. Everyone is trying to do that. There are a ton of good-but-not-great pitchers in the world, and every front office in the league is sifting through them looking for an edge. Elegance and efficiency are only nice if they work. Signing Soto? That’s just six-ish wins out of nowhere, without much risk of failure. Every team would do it if they could.

Forget projection systems and depth charts. This deal propels the Mets to NL East favorites, and they’re likely to remain towards the top of the division for years to come. Their rotation needs some work. They’re about two hitters short still, and they might be out of the Pete Alonso market now that they’ve signed a bat-first superstar. But the holes they have left to patch are eminently fixable, and they’re starting with a massive leg up on their opposition for the foreseeable future.

Earlier tonight, before news of this deal broke, I was talking to my colleagues about what I like to call “the Cardinals trap.” At their contending peak, the Cardinals seemed to build the same team every year. They had no glaring weaknesses. They ran out average players at every single position. But they struggled to improve at the trade deadline, and frequently to get over the hump into true pennant-winning contention. Why? It was just too hard to improve.

It’s fairly easy to move from a replacement level player to a one-win option. There are tons of one-win guys out there just waiting for a chance, particularly if your team can put them in a good position to succeed and work with them to develop their skills. It’s harder to find two-win players, but it can be done. Trading for three-win players at the trade deadline or in the offseason? It happens every year. And signing a free agent projected for four wins a season? If you have $100 million lying around, you can definitely do it.

The higher you go up the WAR scale, though, the fewer players there are, and it’s not even a linear decline; there are exponentially more one-win players than five-win players. If your team is made up of average players with no stars, it’s incredibly hard to improve, because everyone in the world is looking for stars. If you have a few amazing players and some gaping holes in your lineup, improving is easier: just patch the gaping holes.

The Mets have put themselves in the position of never being short on the star end of the equation. That’s why they traded for Francisco Lindor not long after Cohen bought the team. It’s why they signed Max Scherzer and then Justin Verlander. But Soto is the ultimate version of this. He’s a proven star who will be around for more than a decade. If you’re not too hung up on money – and that’s one thing that seems very clear about the Mets under Cohen’s stewardship – there’s no downside here.

Finally, a note on the money. Not only is Soto’s deal the largest in professional sports history, it’s a little bit fancy. In addition to a $75 million signing bonus and no deferrals (practically novel in this day and age), he has the right to opt out after the 2029 season. Only kind of, though: The Mets can void that opt-out by adding $4 million to the guarantee in each of his last 10 seasons with the club. That voidable opt-out is immaterial in most cases – it’s hard to imagine a world where Soto wants to opt out but where the Mets won’t chip in $40 million over a decade to keep him. It’s there, with the potential to tip his deal over the $800 million mark or let him take another bite at the free agency apple, but I’d assign it a sub-1% chance of him ever actually wearing another team’s uniform.

That’s all window dressing. This deal isn’t about contract flourishes and long-term team construction. It’s about a 26-year-old who has already amassed 200 homers and 36 WAR, a generational talent who bet on himself when he turned down the Nationals’ $440 million extension offer in 2022 and hit free agency at a shockingly young age. It’s also about a team that has all the resources in the world, and is using them in the most direct way imaginable. They saw the best player in baseball, and so they pulled out all the stops to convince him to join their squad. It doesn’t always need to be more complicated than that.





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hurricanexyzMember since 2016
1 year ago

This is obviously trivial in the grand scheme but I wonder if he could be coached into better baserunning. I remember an article about how bad the Yankees were on the bases that said that Soto in particular just ran into too many stupid outs. You’d think that could be improved.

bigpizzamanMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  hurricanexyz

Last year wasn’t really anomalous for him though. He’s always been bad on the basepaths

His BsR the last five years (desc order)
-3.8 this year
-0.9
-2.2
-3.1
-1.0

I’m not sure why this comment has 15 up votes when the guy clearly just isn’t a good baserunner

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  bigpizzaman

Perhaps he’s been a doofus who runs into unnecessary outs all along, and it could yet be coached out of him!

(He did also, it seems, get WAY worse 2023 to 2024. I would sign for -1 BsR in a heartbeat)

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  hurricanexyz

I smell a follow-up article with gifs.

MikeD
1 year ago
Reply to  hurricanexyz

He is what he is. An extraordinary hitter who is weak defensively and a poor base runner. These will only get worse as he ages. His defense was partially hidden by playing RF at Yankee Stadium with the short field. He’ll now have a large RF to cover at Citi. Will this matter? Not if he continues to put up 7+ WAR seasons, but there will be a point when it becomes problematic, and he’ll move to DH, but that’s at least five years out.

Shirtless George Brett
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeD

His defense was partially hidden by playing RF at Yankee Stadium with the short field. He’ll now have a large RF to cover at Citi. Will this matter? Not if he continues to put up 7+ WAR seasons, 

So, in other words, no. It wont matter. lol.

But more seriously you are vastly over stating how bad he is on defense. Other than 2022, which seems a pretty big outlier at this point, he has been avg to slightly below. Nobody anywhere is worried about that.

bigpizzamanMember since 2019
1 year ago

His Fgraphs Def the last 3yrs:

-6.1
-10.0
-20.9

His Steamer Def projection this year: -11.0

If you look at the Depth Chart projections, filter on OFs, sort ascending on Def, and ignore all the guys who’re actually DHs and 1Bs, you’ll see Soto near the very top of the list. He has a worse Def projection than Josh Naylor.

It seems like you’re actually underestimating how bad he is defensively. You can’t cherry pick and throw out the year he was worth nearly -3 WAR on defense

dl80Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bigpizzaman

The Defensive Value includes both the RF penalty and the penalty for games he DH’s.

He’s basically an average right fielder if you look at the actual defensive ratings for his position.

frankenspock
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

Soto DH’d for a grand total of six games in 2024, eight games in ’23, two games in ’22. Technically you’re correct, but the vast weight of the evidence shows him to be: a bad fielder (his worst year as a fielder by far was 2022, when 151 of his 153 games were OF starts.)

frankenspock
1 year ago

No, he’s not overstating how bad he is on defense. He’s bad enough at age 26 that it’s almost impossible to see him playing the outfield by the time he hits 30.This matters. It still doesn’t matter as much as what he can do with his bat, but it does actually affect his absolute value, especially as he ages into his late peak.

At some point he might have to DH, and that theoretical hit on value becomes an actual quantifiable thing that shows up in the leaderboards.

Would I still pay him all the monies? Absolutely.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  hurricanexyz

The Mets have Lindor and Siri for this reason (I wonder if they make a run at Kiké if there’s no room for him on LAD’s roster next year). Speaking of LA, no one there cared that Teo’s defense was…not as much fun as his offense. Yeah, his contract is cheaper, but that’s because Soto is a demigod, and like demigods, he is amazing, but not all outcomes are ideal.

I’m still a little worried about their corner IFs (Vientos can probably hit, but he looks more like a 1B than a 3B to me), but as was said above, these are fixable problems. Every team in baseball should have been in on the best FA hitter since…what, Harper? A-Rod, more likely (as I believe Dan wrote previously)?

Last edited 1 year ago by Smiling Politely
MikeD
1 year ago

In some ways most teams probably were in. We heard even the Royals and Rays checked in. But, seriously, though no team could afford to go up against Cohen’s unlimited cash, including the Yankees. If he decides he wants a player, no team, Yankees or Dodgers, will be able to stop him.

ThomasMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeD

Perhaps you’re correct, but I seem to recall him offering more for Yamamoto than the Dodgers.

MikeD
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas

Cohen? He came in with the top offer with the Dodgers at 325, with the Yankees at 300. Yamamoto’s agent basically let the Mets and Yankees know that Yamamoto wanted to be a Dodger and not bother with further bids. He then negotiated his final deal with the Dodgers. I think that’s why Cohen ceased. What we don’t know is how high he would have continued to go. We know he was obsessed with Soto, but was he equally driven to get Yamamoto at all costs?

frankenspock
1 year ago

I wouldn’t say “no one cared” about Teo’s defense, but we’re also not talking about giving him 15 years for $800 million.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  hurricanexyz

“This is obviously trivial….”

–The start of the most popular comment on this thread. Perfect! 🙂

RussellMember since 2023
1 year ago

Does he end up replacing Starling Marte? Is Marte more on the block now?

Last edited 1 year ago by Russell
David Klein
1 year ago
Reply to  Russell

He’s replacing Marte in RF, yes. As far as Marte he can’t hit righties anymore and is a worse defender than Soto at this stage of his career and due 19 mil in the last year of his deal. I guess he could be the short side of a DH platoon with say Winker or Pederson if the Mets sign either guy.

the gulchMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

This is my takeaway too but it’s worth mentioning that despite his diminishing skills, Marte is still an excellent baserunner. He’s almost certainly overpaid at $19.5 million but a veteran who everyone likes that can still mash lefties and steal bases is a nice bench player to have for a team with World Series hopes.

David Klein
1 year ago
Reply to  the gulch

True those two things you mentioned are the only skills that hasn’t eroded for him.

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

Man I’m not psyched for Soto in right field though

I guess his arm is good? I kind of wish we could DH him

MikeD
1 year ago
Reply to  hurricanexyz

No way they DH him on year one. Promises were made. He’ll be your RFer for a few years.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  hurricanexyz

He’s perfectly fine in RF and has a good arm.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Russell

If someone wanted to trade for Marte the Mets would be delighted to move him.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

and they would be more than willing to pick up most of the contract as well.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

If the past is any guide the Mets would pick up $18M of that if they got a real prospect back. Not an elite one, just a real one.

bigpizzamanMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Russell

If I were the Mets I’d put Acuna’s bro in RF or find a cheap OF like Kepler. Then put Soto at DH and get rid of Marte

BROD
1 year ago

“Soto is a middling baserunner and fielder.”

-Soto’s BsR(3 years before FA): -6.9 (36th worst out of 230)-

-Soto’s OAA percentile-  
’22: 1  
’23: 3  
’24: 14 (while playing half his games in the smallest RF)

That’s a terrible baserunner and a terrible defender. This Clemens guy mentioned literally nothing of Soto’s baserunning and defense in his FA article. So, it’s not really surprising.

“but again, it’s the best bat in baseball”

Why do you keep lying? He’s not the best bat, never has been, and almost certainly never will be especially given his inability to maximize the most productive launch angles. Even in 2024 (likely his best year), he was not the best bat, and he’s never put up a 1.000 OPS in his career.

“They saw the best player in baseball”

Are you joking or what? Do you wanna bet?
He’s not even in his prime, you say? Nah, he’s squarely in prime already and there will be a significant decline in production around his age 31-32 season (you should consider his biological age instead of his chronological age; he’s already slow and unathletic).

I send my condolence to the Mets, who were completely duped by Boras. This contract is just an unmitigated disaster for them.

David Klein
1 year ago
Reply to  BROD

Let me guess you are a Yankee fan and doing lots of copping. Oh and Soto is at worst the third best hitter in baseball.

Last edited 1 year ago by David Klein
PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

I assume he is a Dodgers (or maybe Angels fan) as he takes any slight against Ohtani, real or imagined, as a personal affront. Like he accussed Baumann of being a racist.

So I imagine he’s outraged that a team gave Soto more dollars, even before accounting for Ohtani’s deferrals.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

BROD once again doesn’t know how to make his point, but some of this is correct. Soto is a transcendent walker and that’s it. He’s a top-5 hitter, but you would have to squint to the point of blindness to call him the “best” hitter, and calling him the “best player” is even hairier a proposition, since he mostly only provides value at the plate.

I don’t disagree with most of the points made in the analysis about the value of star players, but that still probably only justifies $51 AAV for 10 years with no opt out or maybe 11 with one. This is a massive overpay even with the cherry projections. Humans have a tough time wrestling with large numbers and I get the feeling many just see this as great player gets a ton of money, and the team that got him “won.” Would love to see what the Zips contract value would be for those 15 years. I’m guessing it’d call this an overpay, too.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

I agree that Soto has some big weaknesses – however he excels at avoiding the worst thing a hitter can do – make an out. A few weeks ago, I sorted through some leaderboards, and Soto is a top 30 hitter, all time, by OBP (and that includes if you just limit to player seasons aged 26 and younger to cut out the decline phases which he hasn’t had yet).

There are three reasons why he’s got this deal: 1) he’s got a top percentile OBP as his base of being a great hitter 2) he’s incredibly young for a free agent and 3) you had mega rich teams bidding against each other. I think it is an overpay, but it is also a big statement of intent from Mets.

dl80Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

He’s actually top 20 all time on both lists if you filter just to MLB.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

He does have the sixth-most fWAR among all players since his debut in 2018, and he goes into third place since 2019. He’s probably a top-five player going forward.

The comp I’ve always used for Soto is Joey Votto, with the big difference being that Soto started four or five years before Votto. He had over 50 fWAR from his age 26 season forward, with 7 seasons as an elite player and a couple where he was at the level of an MVP. Then he faded pretty hard starting at 34 or 35. How much money would you pay for Joey Votto’s age 26 through 40 seasons today? I think it’s very plausible that Soto deservingly wins an MVP once or twice, although that still doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not an overpay.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Pretty much any contract over 10y/$300mm is an overpay in a strict economic sense. However, there’s more to contracts than a strict $/WAR calculation. Even if you don’t include intangibles.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I only have one issue with the Votto comp:

Soto has quite a bit more power!

He’s like the more athletic lovechild of Votto and Miggy, haha

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

Cabrera is an even worse comp for mid 30s and beyond!

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I added the “more athletic” caveat for a reason, haha!

But seriously – kid’s got Miggy’s power and Votto’s eye, with competent cOF defense to boot!

MikeD
1 year ago

Not sure about the OF defense being competent. The man can hit, though.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeD

I am.

The key is looking at his FanGraphs page.

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
1 year ago

I mean he’s kind of Ted Williams

sj1357Member since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

There are two player’s with a higher OBP than Soto in the post-war era: Ted Williams and Barry Bonds. Since his first full season in MLB, Soto is second in fWAR to Judge.

dl80Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sj1357

Boggs, Mantle, and Musial did also (almost all of Musial’s career was post-WWII).

sj1357Member since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

Soto’s career OBP is higher than all three of those players (though only barely in the case of Mantle). This is my point. He is on his way to being one of the best hitters in the history of the game.

dl80Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sj1357

I thought you said you were only comparing to his current age since he hasn’t had his decline yet. In that case, he’s behind the guys I mentioned.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

I do think you’re underrating the fact that he’s 26 years old – the Mets are buying 7 or 8 prime years, relative to the 4 you’d expect from a “normal” elite FA.

(Also, he has a .285 career average and a .250 career ISO – not exactly one dimensional)

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago

No, I agree he is amazing and worth a record-breaking deal. But there were a number of clear exaggerations. You can accurately describe Soto and that is an amazing player. There’s no need to exaggerate. I put him down for 13/$545 million, and I stand by that. The Mets overpaid by at least $100 million in my opinion. Not the worst overpay ever by percentage, but the worst by total dollars. You can believe both things! You can believe Soto was worth easily the largest contract ever and also that this was a huge overpay. That’s how many dollars are in this contract!

And as an aside, I did not mean to convey and don’t think I did convey him as “one dimensional,” he’s a very good hitter for average and power. I also don’t understand some of the other “but look at his historic OBP” comments when I literally called him a “transcendent” walker.

I mean, there were folks out there saying Ohtani’s deal last year was a good one before knowing about the massive deferrals. There’s an easy tendency to just say “he’s so dang good he’s worth any amount.” If the Mets weren’t trying to turn Clay Holmes into a starter, I’d have an easier time buying that.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

I honesty feel that, for the Mets Soto very much does fall into the “So dang good” category, much like the Dodgers initial splash signings did when Guggenheim took over.

He’s trying to grow the asset, not just extract value from it.

slz
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Ok, what is the world where you’re good with Soto at 545M/13 but not good with him at 765/15? I actually think BROD’s stance makes more sense than “you overpaid by 100M!” – $6.67M a year over the course of the deal

Someone mentioned in Dan’s comment section that no one today cares that the Mets bid against themselves by 41M to extend Lindor, or possibly even more if they had played it out and risked losing him to FA. You either want the player or you do not. If you think Soto’s an already DH and the baserunning/old player skills decline diminishes his hitting enough that you wash your hands of the whole deal, I get it.

If you think he’s only worth just a smidge over Judge’s AAV for 13 years instead of more than Ohtani’s for 15, I dont

The Mets last year spent 3M each on Joey Wendle and Shintaro Fujinami to essentially not play for them. That’s 6M they viewed as so inconsequential in 2024 they not only could replace them with minor league free agents and prospects going forward, they did that last year already while paying them. The two of them combined for 37 plate appearances of MLB action.

Another example, look how much discussion there has been of the Cole-type opt out/in. Barely any. Because that 4M/yr will be inconsequential to the Mets if Soto is still Soto. If he’s not, the deal is albatross at 51 already.

Since we’re on the subject of Lindor and the Mets, an underdiscussed tool of Soto’s and Francisco’s is health. Now, part of this is age. Francisco now has a bad back at age 30. But to date, Soto has played 150+ games every full season he has played in the majors. Lindor has missed 150 twice – his first season with the Mets (125) and his last full season with Cleveland (143). He also played all 60 in the Covid year.

You’re paying for these guys’ decline so you’re not gonna get that all the way through (Lindor’s back is a bit ominous) but at least for their primes, you’re most likely getting full value and I do think that wear and tear is projectable going forward. I’d take pretty good odds those two from 33-40 play hundreds of games more than Seager and Trout.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  slz

I don’t even understand a lot of this, but the parts that I do are the perfect illustration of the simplistic “great player equals great contract, no matter what” argument.

slz
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

It was essentially a long-winded restatement of Andrew Friedman’s quote (although in this case it sounds like you would have been 5th, not 3rd).

You have a choice of where to be irrational. It can be for great players, non-great players, or not at all.

Rationally stating a number you think Juan Soto is worth, which will never actually be what the top bid for him is, is functionally no different than thinking he’s worth not much at all. Heck, that’s where Andrew Friedman landed on this one!

I can understand not wanting to get irrational for Soto, I can’t understand rationally thinking he is worth an insane contract, but not at a number he was ever going to sign for.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Dan also has an article on this signing, Zips gives Soto for 15 years a value of $719. So according to Zips, this is an overpay, but not a huge one.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/instagraphs/juan-soto-lands-the-richest-contract-in-sports-history/

Veeck as in BeckMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

“Would love to see what the Zips contract value would be for those 15 years. I’m guessing it’d call this an overpay, too.”

It’s called the winners curse, right?

I work in the construction business, when you are low bid on a construction project your initial reaction is a combination of exhilaration and queasiness, and the first question is usually “what did we miss”. But you have to “win” a lot to stay in business, and you figure it out.

Getting Soto in his prime is worth it. It’s like if the Angels could have got four years of Peak Pujols, I don’t know if it would have been offset overpaying for six years of Decline Pujols, but What A Four Years that could have been. Mets are hoping for probably 5/5/5 split – five years in the Peak range, five years in the “declining but playable” range, and five years in the “maybe we’ll get something useful here” range. If you get a ring in those first ten years it’s worth it, right?

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compucles
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

Yes, but he’s still not a better hitter than Judge at the very least, so it is accurate to call any claims of him being the very “best bat” as lies.

The very “best player” is even less true, since that crown obviously currently belongs to Ohtani.

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Sonny LMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  compucles

Juan Soto is a better hitter than Aaron Judge.

Soto is still developing as a slugger. It took Judge until his late 20s to fully actualize. Soto is ascending (look at both of their age 25 seasons) and while Citi field might suppress his over-the-fence power output it might shift is production to one that makes multiple runs at the triple crown.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Sonny L

I like Soto a lot, but Judge just had the 3rd best season by a Center Fielder (behind Mickey Mantle’s two peak seasons) by fWAR, even better than the best season of Willie Mays, based solely on offensive output. In addition, his wRC+ is the 7th highest all-time in MLB since the live ball era. No, Soto is not a better hitter than Judge.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

I don’t know that we are ever going to see someone do what Judge did in 2022 or 2024 again. Maybe my kids or grandkids will. It’s kind of ridiculous to compare anyone to Judge right now.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Short of roided-up Bonds, nobody ever came close post-integration as a hitter without taking PEDs themselves. As an overall player, yes, but not as a hitter. An 1.160 OPS makes me want to start laughing hysterically.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Sonny L

Maybe Soto develops another gear of power, but I think it’s more likely that this is who he is as a hitter instead of counting on improvement. Looking at Soto’s BR comps through age 25, more than half were the same or better hitters in their pre-age 26 ‘peak’ vs their age 26-30 years. Who he is awesome, so I think the Mets will be very happy with the next 6 years or so.

whaiiiMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Sonny L

At this very moment in time, there is not a better hitter than Aaron Judge and it isn’t really that close. What he did last year was one of the great offensive season of all time.

5th best season by wRC+ since 1942 and second best non-Bonds season. Judge’s peak has been absolutely ridiculous.

Veeck as in BeckMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  whaiii

During the “October 2024 Moment In Time”, Aaron Judge was a shell of a hitter compared to Soto. You have to assume tht as Judge’s career unfolds that will correct that over time, but Soto has a .927 OPS in 43 career post-season games, and Judge is at .768 in 58 games. Soto’s command of the strike zone just warps the game to his advantage – I’m not surprised he holds the edge here.

slz
1 year ago
Reply to  Sonny L

Citi actually suppresses BA far more (hugely negative) than it does HR (about neutral).

slamcactusMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  compucles

I’d take Judge over Soto for next year since Judge has shown zero signs of decline.

But Judge will be 33 next year. I’d take Soto over him for the next 2 years and beyond.

Same with Ohtani. Comparable hitters now, but I’d take Soto for the next 3+ years without hesitating.

“Best hitter in baseball” when describing the past 3 years might be a stretch. Best hitter in baseball over the next 5 years though? I probably wouldn’t take Soto over the entire field but it’d be a close call.

MikeSMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

At worst the third best hitter in baseball, and four or six years younger than the other two guys in the conversation.

bigpizzamanMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeS

You could put Alvarez ahead of Soto pretty easily, actually

slamcactusMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bigpizzaman

On a rate basis there’s an argument but Soto’s got about a 66-run edge in WRAA since they both became regulars. There’s no ability like availability, and Alvarez’s next 150G season will be his first.

bigpizzamanMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

Splitting hairs but you could make an argument for Alvarez at the 3rd spot. He has a 165 WRC+ to Soto’s 161 WRC+ since 2021. Clearly the superior power option

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bigpizzaman

Of course…how much is the power gap down to the difference between Houston and Nationals Park/PetCo?

bigpizzamanMember since 2019
1 year ago

ISO isn’t park adjusted but I was under the impression that WRC+ is park adjusted. And if Soto has the clear BB and K advantage than surely the reason for Alvarez having a higher WRC+ must primarily come from the power gap. Soto hits a decent number of grounders

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bigpizzaman

wRC+ is park-adjusted in the macro, but not the micro.

See: Paredes, Isaac.

dl80Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  BROD

There are a lot of stupid things in this comment, but he had an OPS over 1.000 in 2020.

And since the bouncy ball went away, Judge and Ohtani are the only guys to run an OPS over 1.000, and neither have his health.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

Or age in Judge’s case. How many more elite seasons does he likely have left?

toddprattMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

He also had .999 in 2022 and .989 in 2024. I have to admit those are strictly speaking under 1.000, but obviously not meaningfully so.

Indiana BobMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  BROD

I kind of agree with him. I think he is the third best hotter and his fielding and base running are poor, especially for his age. I don’t really have a team, so this is not sour grapes.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Indiana Bob

I mean…he’s essentially been a scratch OF outside of the year he got traded.

It’s not like he’s Yordan Alvarez out there.

bigpizzamanMember since 2019
1 year ago

It’s funny you should say this because Yordan has put up -2 DRS in 1617 OF innings and Soto has put up -15 in 7845 IP. Yordan has 2.5 UZR to Soto’s -13.8

OAA shows a big gap in favor of Soto but I think the idea of Soto being a scratch fielder isn’t really true (especially over the last 3 seasons)

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bigpizzaman

Why would I look at DRS, though?

It’s based on a dataset that’s objectively worse than OAA/FRV.

By the way – it’s pretty self-evident why you keep focusing on the last “3” seasons:

Soto’s absurd outlier defensive season in 2022 is the alpha and omega of your argument.

bstoleMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  BROD

lol “biological age”

J.D. MartinMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  BROD

Cope

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

My theory is that Soto got this deal because several teams wanted to “win the offseason” to change the narrative about their team. The Red Sox and Blue Jays have disappointed a lot recently, the Mets are always looking to make a splash, and the Yankees were nervous about him going across town or to a division rival. It resembles an auction more for a priceless piece of art that you can brag about than a set of projected wins.

I don’t see any way to put this in a dollars per win framework. There are so many unknowns to predict 10 years into the future much less 15, the AAV is enormous, etc. There are so many different ways you can spend $50M a year to improve your team. It could very easily work out but we are well beyond what models can justify here.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

This was a good weekend for me. The Red Sox didn’t get suckered into throwing money away chasing Soto and the vastly overvalued O’Neill not only didn’t sign with the Red Sox but will strike out with the game on the line for their division rivals the Orioles instead.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

lol, never have I ever gloated because my non-playoff team did nothing

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I think that baseball teams don’t have a printing press and even a large market team which the Red Sox are should spend their money wisely. I am having difficulty understanding why throwing money after players whose value doesn’t seem to match the contracts that are being offered is good for the future of the franchise. The taste of Hanley Ramirez, Pablo Sandoval and last year’s ridiculous signing of the very likely cooked Lucas Giolito has lingered and is not pleasant.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

First they’d have to spend their money at all, but also…it’s not your money?

BurleighGrimesMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Why would any fan care if their team’s spending is efficient or not, outside of a knowledge that many owners have self-imposed ceilings on what they will spend? I get not wanting your favorite team to sign bad players, or to sign a star but not shell out for the rest of the squad, but Steamer projects Juan Soto to be worth just about 7 fWAR next year so who cares if the gazillionaire owner had to pay a premium to get him. From a Mets fan perspective, this f’ing rocks, even if the Mets are paying “too much” WAR-per-dollar or whatever.

Philip ChristyMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Yeah, good thing they traded Mookie too.

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The We Tried Tracker is gonna be popping off.

David Klein
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

They’re 0- for the offseason so far lost out on Snell, , Holmes, Bieber, Soto and Kikuchi.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

At this stage of the off-season there hasn’t been a deal that appears to be cost effective. It is often better to not spend money on one piece of the puzzle when that money can be better utilized elsewhere. The last thing the Red Sox need are more outfielders. The present market for pitchers is insane. I don’t see any of those signed already as being good value and with starting pitching being of much less importance than at anytime in the history of baseball it might be wise to wait for the market to stabilize before jumping in.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

The pitching market isn’t any different than last year. Montgomery and Rodriguez got 2/47.5 and 4/80, respectively. #3 starters with serious injury concerns and Montgomery had to take a late signing because Boras started from a bad position in negotiations. Montas at 3/34 and Boyd at 2/29 are both within that envelope as probable #4s (true #5s are more like Kyle Gibson). Maybe Snell, but that’s a 2-time Cy Young winner coming off a strong season. He’s a #1/#2. His contract was always going to be huge.

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bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

All I see from what you wrote only reinforces the fact that the pitching market is insane. How did those Snell, Rodriquez and Montgomery deals work out and I don’t see a mention of the awful move the Red Sox made in signing the worthless Giolito, who had been useless throughout the second half of 2023, to a 2 year $38M deal with an absurd player option included. When Luis Severino gets $67 for 3 years I will admit that complete confusion has clouded my mind set. This is after three teams with as close to no starting rotations as could be possible reached the post-season and the Dodgers, without a pitcher who threw enough innings to qualify, won it all. Starters have never been worth less or been paid more. Where is the logic behind this plan?

Chip LockeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Using the puzzle metaphor, the Red Sox are basically saying “there’s a chance we spend a lot of time trying to find this one piece, let’s just leave it half done on the table until next year.”

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Chip Locke

Last off-season I screamed at the ridiculous signing of Giolito because it only makes sense to look for, and to recognize, value. There was none in signing him after his very poor second half of 2023 and there just doesn’t appear to much value in almost every signing that has been concluded so far. There is still time to add to next year’s team and waiting until the posse of Anthony, Mayer, Campbell and Teel show up seems like solid thinking. There is certainly an opportunity to use some of the prospects to get a pitcher and I expect the Red Sox to very competitive next year.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

“Look at my stupid neighbors enjoying their $10 million dollar yacht. They paid $15 million for it. I’m getting much more enjoyment out of my $500 kayak that I got on sale for $350. I bet they’re miserable.”

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I get the point and laughed, but the hedonic calculus here actually has a chance to be correct, so it’s not the greatest analogy.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

Look, they were very close. Very, very close. They were in on him. They made a serious offer. A very serious offer.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

I was thinking about this. Every single one of the Blue Jays, Red Sox, and Yankees are going to be talking about this all offseason.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

In terms of where this leaves teams going forward—I don’t think this matters much to the Red Sox or Dodgers in terms of baseball value. But the Yankees and Blue Jays desperately need a top level left-handed power threat. I would expect both to be in on Santander and his contract will probably eclipse $100M. I think it also wouldn’t be a surprise to see the Yankees trade for Bellinger for this reason.

The Dodgers seem like an obvious landing spot for Hernandez, probably in the 3 year, $70M area.

The Mets are in pretty good shape on the position player side now. I would expect them to re sign Manaea and maybe find a guy who can spell Taylor in CF (Grisham would be perfect). Unless Cohen gets involved again I think the team probably waits out Alonso since they could easily give Vientos a shot at first and try Baty again at 3rd.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Hernandez wants to be in LA.
As of yesterday they were finalizing terms.
They already added Conforto and Treinen.
Their concern is most likely Sasaki.

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isaacprinceMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Huh? Grisham already signed for the year dude

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  isaacprince

Yeah, in trade. But that only make sense if the Yankees landed Bellinger or something.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They could have Straw and some cash for a bag of balls.

Last edited 1 year ago by fjtorres
MarkZMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They traded for Siri. They seemed fine to roll with Bader most of last year. It’s not quite an offense/defense platoon (with Taylor) but with Soto in right Siri’s skills are more useful.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkZ

Oh yeah I forgot about Siri. Whoops.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Red Sox don’t specifically need an elite left-handed bat, but they do need an elite player or two. They have a lot of depth that is averagish so it’s hard for them to improve much without adding a star player.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Either a 4+ win player or a middle infielder. I’m pretty sure the reason the Giants were in a rush to finalize the deal with Adames was so a team like the Red Sox didn’t swoop in and get him. Hard to find shortstops that good.

MikeD
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think the Yankees will be in on Santander at all. He’s coming off a career year and entering his 30s. He’s a poor defensive OFer who does not draw walks. A .308 OBP in 2024, basically matching his career OBP of .307. I have issues with Walker, Bregman and Alonso, all of whom have a variety of strikes against them on long-term deals. They may go more toward the trade route, bringing in lefty hitters like Bellinger, who you mentioned, and Wade on the Giants as another example. That gives them some on-base players and lefty balance. Give the Martian a starting spot. Back to the free agents, Bregman out of the three could be a fit, but his OBP collapsed last year. At 31 there should be some concern, especially based on what Boras is shooting for. Outside of Soto, I don’t like the free-agent hitters market.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeD

Yeah maybe they won’t be in on Santander and he’ll go to the Blue Jays. Bellinger would be a decent stopgap if Dominguez needs more time to develop. I don’t know that they would have a ton of interest in Lamonte Wade because he has very little track record of hitting for power, but he gets on base a lot and that park he plays in swallows homers.

I sometimes wonder if someone like Joc Pederson could pick up playing first base. I’m pretty sure no one has ever tried it, but maybe the team that experiments with it is not the team with Giancarlo Stanton clogging up DH.

After that things dry up pretty fast. I’m curious to see if they go hard after Kyle Tucker, but he’s not a free agent until next offseason.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 year ago

It’s a colossal overpay. From my looks at him, he often doesn’t even seem to care about playing defense–there’s a lot of jogging to the ball instead of real effort.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

The error bars are so huge when you’re talking about a 15 year deal that I have no idea how much of an overpay this is. Normally with a super long contract it has a moderate sized AAV since the risk that it blows up at some point in 15 years is so high. He could break his leg on opening day in 2025 and never be the same. Or 2026, or 2027, or another 10+ years. That’s on top of the near certain decline that will happen at some point. But it’s also possible salaries are going to go up, and over 15 years they can go up a lot.

Trying to rationalize this in a dollars per WAR framework is extremely difficult. Could it be fine? Sure! But everything about this is uncertain. Whoever is responsible for modeling this stuff in the Mets’ front office probably just decided that, as an owner driven initiative, he was just going to ask politely to work on something else. By 2040 New York could have a third team, or MLB could be bankrupt, or maybe it has entered into agreements with baseball leagues all over the world and is playing games in China regularly and making huge money. Manfred might have made it possible for a player like Juan Soto to bat multiple times in the order. The list of unknowns with Soto himself is daunting enough, but knowing enough about where baseball will be in 10+ years is even harder. And they will be paying him $50M…

AlbyMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The odds of baseball revenue continuing to climb for 15 years are well below 50% IMO. They already are having TV revenue problems that will only increase because the viewership just isn’t there and will likely decline as fans age off this moral coil.

cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Alby

International revenue will make up for that. More people watched the World Series in Japan than in the US.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

Perhaps, but you have to admit that data point is *heavily* Ohtani influenced. Will they watch in such large numbers to see a Mets-Guardians series (for example), or Brewers-Astros?

compucles
1 year ago
Reply to  Alby

TV revenues probably won’t ever match the heyday of cable/satellite subscribers (after adjusting for inflation), but they should stabilize rather well again once most MLB teams movemore fully into the streaming market.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Alby

I personally agree with you but have no actual idea. I just think it’s bad to bet on an explosion of revenue for a league where the owners’ whole business model is rent seeking.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Their best bet is centralized video rights but good luck getting the deep pocket teams with healthy RSNs to agree.

compucles
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There’s still no future situation even 15 years from now where paying $46M (or possibly even $50M) to a 40-year-old baseball player will be anything but a huge overpay.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  compucles

You’re paying 40 year old Soto $46m or $51m for the right to have paid 26-30 year old Juan Soto $46m.

dl80Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  compucles

Inflation could easily make this a false statement

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

Likely will.

toddprattMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  compucles

15 years from now, $50m will be like $25m is today. Inflation helps the Mets here.

Also 15 years is preposterously long from now, who cares lol.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  compucles

I think it is very likely to be bad, but 15 years is a very long time!

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Which means cumulative inflation could be worse.
Look back to 1970-85.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Or better – see 2010-20.

(All that to say, we have a very poor history of guessing where economic indicators like inflation, unemployment, and GDP are headed)

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  compucles

Double digit inflation for five years would do it.
Prices on real world items are already inflated 25% since 2020.
So a $40M check only goes as far as $30M did in 2020.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

$/WAR simply does not apply.

It’s all fine and good for most of MLB to operate in such a way that team expenses are at least theoretically tied to revenues and the cost of a win is a tangible financial concept. But with no salary cap there is no requirement that any team must do so.

Cohen has decided he wants to buy a title, and so be it. Unless the team starts shaving nickels with the rest of the roster, the outlay they’re making for Soto just doesn’t matter.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I think there’s a certain premium on “having Soto go into the Hall of Fame with a Mets cap” too.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Loads of Mets fans who never watched the guy play D.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

You think people who’ve been watching Starling Marte limp around right field for the last few years are worried about a downgrade?

cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago

“This deal propels the Mets to NL East favorites”

I’d disagree with that. The Mets only have three proven bats in their lineup, and I don’t think I’d be thrilled about any of their starters in Game 1 of a playoff series. The Mets still feel like a step below the Braves and Phillies, at least for the moment.

FloydNbunch
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

Feels like people are forgetting this squad won 89 games, had the best record in baseball from June 1 on, and just went to the NLCS where they won more games against LA than the Yankees did in the WS.

“Favorites” is a subjective word, but the Mets are in a great position to continue to succeed in their division. It’s one reason why Soto chose them.

cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  FloydNbunch

Last year’s Mets team was 1) very flukey and 2) almost completely different from the team last year.

Also, that “won more games against LA” argument is awful. Both the games the Mets won in that series were games where Dave Roberts gave up to save the bullpen. In the four games where the Dodgers didn’t wave the white flag in the second inning, the Mets got completely embarrassed, and despite the two comfortable wins, the Dodgers won by one of the biggest run differentials in history for a BO7 series.

cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

For 2), I meant that the 2024 Mets are almost completely different from the 2025 Mets. Sorry I flubbed a bit.

toddprattMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

The 2024 Mets Pythagorean W/L was 88-74, so it’s not like they were super lucky or anything. Next year’s team is absolutely going to be much better on paper – the addition of Soto and return of Senga alone guarantees that. The bullpen was not a strength last year and so there is likely to be some improvement there; and most of the Mets top prospects are “ETA 2025” type guys; giving the chance for very good depth across the board.

Vientos and Alvarez are somewhat wild cards, but mainly in the sense that we don’t know if they’ll be useful regulars, or superstars.

They’re not the Dodgers or the Braves yet, there are still some holes to patch up, but besides those two, I expect the Mets to have the highest o/u total/WS odds for next year.

cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  toddpratt

I called the Mets “fluky” mostly in reference to Jose Iglesias’ 137 OPS+, without which they likely don’t make the playoffs.

And regardless of how good the Mets truly were last year, 6 of their top 13 players last year by bWAR are free agents. There’s so much turnover that one can’t simply add all these wins to last year’s team.

toddprattMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

That’s fair, Iglesias’ 2.5 WAR was a total gift, and both Alonso and Manaea are spots that need to be (and will be) replaced, either by re-signing them or making more acquisitions. Severino and Quintana have already been replaced by Montas and Holmes, that’s pretty close to a wash. Bader’s contribution is easily replaced by Tyrone Taylor / Jose Siri.

Even if the Manaea, Alonso and Iglesias spots wind up being replaced by 0’s (which they won’t be), that’s much more than made up by Soto + Senga, who alone project for about 11 wins. Iglesias, Alonso and Manaea combined for about 7 WAR last year.

isaacprinceMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  FloydNbunch

There’s no way you’re saying that the team now having a “chance” of competing did the division is the reason Soto chose them over the team he just made the World Series with. Cohen gave him more money. Stop with the nonsense.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  isaacprince

Cohen and Steinbrenner’s offers were a coin flip.

He went to the team whose leadership he believes will continue to prioritize winning after he signs, rather than the one whose owner spent the offseason whining about how it’s not sustainable for him to keeping spending less of his operating budget on baseball players than the Royals do.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
1 year ago

Whenever these mega contracts get signed, I always find myself wondering what teams do to hedge against downside risk.

cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago

In the Mets’ case, that’s “spend 250M+ on other players”.

derpinmetsdanMember since 2020
1 year ago

There is insurance on contracts of this magnitude, ever since Josh Hamilton signed with the Rangers (the first time). Otherwise, there is no downside here.

Veeck as in BeckMember since 2024
1 year ago

The “Cardinals trap” is real – the Cubs are caught in it now. Every position on the roster has a potential all-star with the exception of catcher and closer, but no way to upgrade beyond adding pitching. They need a breakout. I hoped they would go all out to land Soto as that seemed like the only way to guarantee enough improvement to make them playoff caliber, but it was clear from day one they weren’t interested.

Congratulations to the Mets and Juan Soto. Soto is my favorite player in baseball, it will be easier to cheer for him in a Mets uni than if he’d signed with the Dodgers or Yankees.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

It is a lot more enjoyable to see someone like Soto getting this contract rather than a guy with a more questionable personality. There are plenty of players at or close to this level of talent but where there has been some concern, guys like Miguel Cabrera and his drinking. Or to a lesser extent, Machado, A-Rod, and Harper. I don’t think he has the same sort of adoration as someone like Ohtani or Mookie Betts but there are no obvious concerns to point to.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think the only reason Soto isn’t on the level of Betts vis-a-vis adoration is that Betts has been in the league longer. Ohtani is on his own planet. It’s like Ichiro in his prime. There’s not a comparison available.

I also enjoy the rapid signing of Soto because it doesn’t create the agonizing tension of other deals like this that take longer. With him signed, the market can continue to sizzle instead of teams trying to save bank to make a play for Soto.

the flu
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

I thought the consensus on Soto’s personality was that the “shuffle” is super obnoxious and the perception of lack of hustle was in Machado territory, no?

I’m not saying that should be the case, but I have never thought to classify Soto in the likable category.

Unsure about methodology, but YouGov’s attempt at baseball player popularity polling doesn’t have him especially high:

https://today.yougov.com/ratings/sports/popularity/contemporary-baseball-players/all

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  the flu

I have to wonder about a poll that has Miguel Andujar 37th. There is definitely a margin of error larger than the gap between 26 and 10.

compucles
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Since when does Harper have a questionable personality?

FrodoBeck
1 year ago
Reply to  compucles

I can’t tell if this was a joke but for the first several years of his career Harper was widely considered a hothead, overly emotional, all sorts of random immaturity-related things

That perception has changed recently but for a while that was the prevailing notion for a lot of people, whether it was true or not (personally never thought as much or cared, he just comes off to me as someone who really loves competing)

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youppi4pm
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

And millions people believe in ghosts. Doesn’t mean ghosts are real.

People mostly felt that way about Harper for reasons that had a lot more to do with them than it did about Harper.

tsarstruck
1 year ago
Reply to  youppi4pm

That’s a clown comment, bro.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  youppi4pm

I agree with both you and Frodo, haha.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

Yeah I’ve always loved Harper’s style and think his heart-on-his-sleeve personality is good for the game. But he definitely came off as being unpredictable in terms of his behavior. (And his performance, which may or may not have been related)

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He also does make some objectively dumb statements. If anyone’s ever seen the documentary “Fastball”, listen to how Harper talks about how rising fastballs have to be real because of the eye test. Man’s not stupid at all, but he can absolutely come off that way in an interview.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  compucles

He has charged the mound, fought with teammates in the dugout and has been ejected more times than can be counted. I think his hothead bonafides are there.

FloydNbunch
1 year ago

The Ricketts are frustrating owners because they will spend but if they spent a little more, in line with their market, they could really run that division.

Veeck as in BeckMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  FloydNbunch

Yeah, this. I tend to be impressed with the “modest” deals they end up making. The past few seasons netted Seiya Suzuki, Cody Bellinger, Jameson Taillon, Shota Imanaga, Isaac Paredes, Michael Busch, Marcus Stroman and Dansby Swanson. Nearly all of those are all-star caliber players who have put up all-star caliber seasons under their contract. Lots of roster flexibility / injury insurance. Lots of MLB-ready talent in the minors, but no top-5 shot-in-the-arm players coming. It’s the Cardinals Trap, and they needed a Soto, or some other top-tier free agent that I’m not sure exists this off season – you ~probably~ get some great stretches of innings Burnes but it feels like he is going to decline fast and/or be hurt too much to bank on that being a winning contract. Back to the “winners curse” I guess.

To take it back to the Ricketts, I feel they’ve avoided that “winners curse” recently, by hitting on reasonable contracts with great upper-middle-tier players. So it’s hard to complain. Except on this trajectory, they will once again enter the season needing a lot of things to break their way to make the playoffs. Need to raise the floor, and Soto was easily the best way to do that. So it goes.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago

Totally agree that my favorite teams during the offseason are “not the Yankees” and “not the Dodgers”.

Sure, the Mets throw money around as much as anyone nowadays, but have had such a run of futility that not everyone is tired of them yet.

JuuuustAnotherBaseballFanMember since 2018
1 year ago

I’m just glad the Dodgers didn’t somehow get him. Like the Yankees of yesteryear, I felt that there was that seemingly impossible possibility that a Betts/Soto/Ohtani/Freeman lineup would exist in everyone else’s nightmare.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago

All the talk about the importance of defense and other components of a player’s value are exposed for what they are: meaningless! Well maybe other skills count a wee bit but there is one skill that drives the game and determines the bottom line of a player’s worth and that is the ability to hit!

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

That is such an overstatement I have to give a downvote just for the hyperbole. Ick.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

In fairness…Soto’s a perfectly okay RF.

Nothing more, but nothing less either.

darren
1 year ago

Last 3 years in OAA range

1st percentile
3rd percentile
14th percentile

That’s not ok.

MikeD
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

He’s simply not a good OFer. He has poor range, which he compounds with bad routes. He has a good arm, but it’s erratic. He was helped by the short field at Yankee Stadium in right. He’s going to the opposite at CitiField. You’ll love his hitting, but by season’s end you’ll be trying figure out how long before he can be put at DH.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Fun fact!

“Range” is not the only input for Fielding Run Value.

Thanks to his arm, he was at -1 this year…in the 38th percentile.

Which is, y’know…the definition of “okay.”

He’s been worth -31 runs across 6 seasons worth of OF innings…and 17 of those negative runs came in a single season.

Leaving 14 runs spread across 5 seasons…which is, again, the definition of okay.

darren
1 year ago

I don’t think his defense from 5-6 years ago is really relevant. In the past 3 years, he’s been -25, including his arm. Still not okay.

ForrestMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

The Red Sox reportedly offered $700 million for Soto. They could have signed Mookie Betts 4 years ago for about 12 years and $375 million. In hindsight Mookie is a bargain.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Forrest

As I said in another comment that has been ridiculed I saw no value in Soto at these figures and am pleased he signed elsewhere. There is no denying that he is an exceptional hitter but this contract looks like it has the potential to restrict further team building expenditures and could, if bad luck interferes, do to the team that signs him, in this case the Mets, what the Pujols deal has done to the Angels. It isn’t my money but I want the franchise that I have supported for 75+ years to be consistently competitive and spreading $700 million dollars amongst several solid players sounds like a more reasonable plan.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  Forrest

Yeah but the cost of the time machine…

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  Forrest

Just think of all the teams that could have offered more than the Dodgers did for Betts then signed him to that contract!

Curacao LL
1 year ago

The last five years of this deal are going to look really bad, but the first five are going to be an awful lot of fun in Queens.

My offer would have been 5/325, and presumably Boras would have told me to get lost. Guess that’s why I’ll never be a big-league GM.

Joe23
1 year ago

It’s baffling to me that the Cubs weren’t in on the bidding. I’m not saying they would have gone to this level (they almost certainly wouldn’t have) but to not even try is frustrating. The “Cardinals trap”, as Veeck as in Beck pointed out, might as well be called the Cubs trap. They have a lot of good players and no stars. Soto was the one chance they had to pair a lot of good, young, (mostly) inexpensive players with a megastar. If they had acquired Soto, they could have traded Bellinger and Happ to make financial and positional room.

I liken it to signing a quarterback in the NFL. You can’t win without a good one and you’re going to pay a fortune for a great one. If you’re fortunate enough to draft a great QB, you get to spend on the other positions until the QB gets expensive. That’s what Washington was able to do when Soto was cheap. When they get more expensive, you have to pay up. Right now, the Cubs have a lot of Russell Wilsons (or insert your favorite mediocre QB) and no Patrick Mahomes. This was their chance, and to sit it out is very frustrating.

Veeck as in BeckMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Joe23

Amen. I’d been telling myself they were strategically being quiet, and that behind the scenes they were working on a monster offer, but I never believed it. They absolutely should have been leaders on the We Tried Tracker for this one.

They have all sorts of assets to flip in a trade, but I don’t know who is on the trade market that would move the needle more than a win or two. They ~probably~ will swing something surprising that I like, but I’m not holding my breath.

Mets fans, on behalf of Cubs fans everywhere, make sure you enjoy this. Even if it doesn’t play out well, you have to forever appreciate what your ownership is doing right now with their wallets.

darren
1 year ago

He’s certainly not the most aesthetically pleasing baseball player – defense is pretty, there’s no way around it – but “beautiful defensive plays” don’t go on the scoreboard and “runs” do.

This doesn’t really make sense. I don’t think anyone is devaluing Soto because his defense isn’t aesthetically pleasing, just as no one is saying he’s valuable because of his pretty swing. The problem with his defense is precisely that it adds runs to the scoreboard for the other team.

Why not just point out that despite how many runs his fielding and baserunning cost, they are well worth it for his bat?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

I mean…part of it is that his fielding and base running aren’t that bad – he’s just not going to be doing anything particularly sexy on that side of the ball.

darren
1 year ago

But however you assess his fielding/base running–whether it’s horrible, ‘not that bad,’ average, whatever–what matters is how they affect run scoring. The article implies that his defensive shortcomings don’t affect run scoring.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

The implication is that his being below-average on the bases and fringey in the outfield is largely cosmetic, when evaluating him holistically.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2020
1 year ago

Apparently the Yankees last offer was 16/760. At that point, why not just match the Mets and keep him on their roster?

cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago

They probably figured out that Cohen was just gonna keep upping his bid and there was no point in continuing

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

Yes, it seems like the Yankees (and others?) had tried to match or surpass the Mets’ offer a couple times only to be outbid again. At some point, they’re going to reach their limit.

There’s also the issue of the $75 million bonus and the opt-out, which other teams may not have offered.

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

I’m not even sure that it was a case of reaching their limit. It could have been simply the realization that, for Cohen, there was no limit. At which point you go a few more bidding rounds out of spite just to cost Cohen more money and then tap out.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  JCCfromDC

I agree but I think part of the decision is to go as high as you can just in case and to not go higher than a price you’d want to pay. That’s what I meant by their limit.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JCCfromDC

Well, I mean, isn’t that part of free agency? Get the other teams to overpay when you can?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

I’m not sure it was that simple:

If you’re Juan Soto, why would you want to spend the next 15 years cycling over and under the luxury tax threshold, when Cohen’s essentially given Stearns the keys to the kingdom?

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2020
1 year ago

That would answer why Soto went with the Mets, but I’m still scratching my head wondering why the Yankees held fast on a dollar figure that is damn near the amount they offered, and now have a gaping hole in their offense.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

Because Hal Steinbrenner is Kendall Roy without the charisma or business savvy.

darren
1 year ago

Forget projection systems and depth charts. This deal propels the Mets to NL East favorites, and they’re likely to remain towards the top of the division for years to come.

But… it’s plugging his projection into their depth chart that makes them the favorite (if they are).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

The vibes-based favorites leaderboard has the Mets at number one.

gottaIch116Member since 2020
1 year ago

Is this really the largest contract in the sporting world? Have there not been soccer contracts more valuable than this?

Curacao LL
1 year ago
Reply to  gottaIch116

Other than silly Saudi money to play in their beer league (Ronaldo 3/450 etc.), huge soccer contracts are largely in the 500k/week range (26MM/year) and are rarely for more than 4-5 years. Chelsea have signed a couple longer deals.

A lot of he big clubs only want to go year-to-year after a player’s age 31 season.

gottaIch116Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

Thanks for the reply. Yeah I was kind of thinking of the Saudi money. The only other possibility I can think of are the LIV golfers that get Saudi money. But it looks like those are less as well.

Max Verstappen of Formula 1 is making $55 mil annually but his contract is only for about 4 years or so.

Messi’s contract with Barcelona and Ronaldo’s current contract was/is ridiculous but don’t have the years to make it more than Soto. The AAV on those are just hard to comprehend.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  gottaIch116

Messi’s contact with MLS has the potential to be incredibly valuable but I imagine it can only exceed $765M w/o taking into account inflation.

Shirtless George Brett
1 year ago
Reply to  gottaIch116

Barcelona paid Messi $674 million over 4 years (its reported they are still paying him and will until 2025 lol)

Its splitting hairs because no one ever needs that much money but I’m taking Messi’s contract over Soto’s 10 times out of 10 lol.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago

Said this in other thread but Mbappe turned down $334m over one year. Vinicius Jr turned down 1 billion over 5 years. It’s not always about money only. Some people want legacy, want to be one of the goat, they don’t want to sell out for money to Saudi oil barons vs inferior competition. Not saying Ronaldo did that exactly, as he was at the end of his career, but still

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
1 year ago

I wonder if subsequent events have made Ben C. reconsider his criticism of the Nationals when they traded Soto in 2022. At the time he did what many people did: simply assumed that the Nationals could get Soto to forego free agency and sign a long term extension. But there wasn’t much reason to believe that was true at the time, and no reason at all to believe it looking back now. The f’n YANKEES couldn’t get Soto to forego free agency (they tried to extend him earlier this year), nor could they retain his services after he hit free agency. To cling to the idea that the Nats could have done these things is more faith based than than rational.

As a Nats fan it truly sucked to watch Soto go out the door. But when Boras and Soto didn’t make a counteroffer to the Nats’ 400+M offer, they pivoted. And as bad as it’s been, the true nightmare scenario as a Nats fan would have been if the team hung onto Soto as long as they could and then watched him walk (as the Yankees did). Because in that situation not only do the Nats not have Juan Soto, they wouldn’t have James Wood, MacKenzie Gore, CJ Abrams, Jarlin Susana, and Robert Hassell III. The first three are already on the MLB roster, Susana has advanced to a borderline top 100 prospect, and even RHIII had a strong AFL season. Oh, and Soto could have won a handful of games for the team in the interim. It wouldn’t have remotely made them contenders, but it could easily have cost them the chance to draft Dylan Crews.

Yikes. I doubt that I could have made that trade. But Mike Rizzo did, and it’s hard to argue that the Nationals are in a better place for it. It would be nice if all the people who savaged the Nats at the time would acknowledge that, but I’m not holding my breath.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JCCfromDC

That trade has worked out very well for the Nationals. Wood, Gore, and Abrams all look like they will be regulars of some kind with upside beyond that for each. Susana looks like he might be something too.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Abrams may have to move to the outfield, though. His defense last year is some of the worst I’ve ever seen out of an infielder, and I’m counting Brad Miller at SS, Vladito/Castellanos at 3B, and Yoan Moncada at 2B in there. Just looks like he forgot how to play any kind of defense. 5th worst season by FRV by a SS in the Statcast Era, and I honestly think that might even be giving him too much credit.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

I agree with that. I don’t know what Abrams’ future is, whether h would do okay at second base, third base, or somewhere in the outfield, but I am pretty sure it is not at shortstop.

It sort of seems like he can hit now, at least. 20-20 players, even with low OBP, can profile at positions other than shortstop.

darren
1 year ago

How does the signing bonus work with the opt out? Does he make like $46 mil a year for the first 4 years, then get to opt out of the final 11/504, while keeping the entire $75 mil?

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Argh. Correction:

First 4: 184
Last 11: 506
Signing Bonus: 75

So if he opted out, he’d have earned 259 in 4 years, going into his age 30 season.

slz
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Since we’re talking about the opt out/opt in, that definitely feels like it was a Brian Cashman creation that Boras told the Mets to add in

I’d be curious what the rest of the Yankees’ deal looked like. I imagine there was no signing bonus, but how much, if any, was deferred?

pfgrMember since 2018
1 year ago

On the one hand, I look over to Baseball Reference at the career lines of Albert Pujols after age 32 and Miguel Cabrera after age 33, and think “albatross contract.” But on the other hand, I assume the Mets have penciled out what they expect in additional TV advertising, luxury boxes, etc. I remember when Dale Murphy signed a contract for over $3 million per year and people were stunned, but Ted Turner knew he was filling up airtime on the WTBS cable network, needed content that would drive the audience to his network, and paid Murphy accordingly.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  pfgr

Also, Soto is 26 and is more like Joey Votto in terms of profile. Votto was still at least decently productive through 37, but Soto is more athletic. Unlike Pujols and Cabrera, Soto’s carrying tool is his swing and zone discipline, not his contact quality. Look at how well Carlos Santana, another guy who does that, has aged. And Santana was never a superstar, or in Soto’s league in the discipline department.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
fanofthemanMember since 2020
1 year ago

Absolutely wild that this contract is roughly equal to the second and third largest baseball contracts (by NPV) added together

MikeD
1 year ago

This will likely be the last team Soto plays for, but there is always a chance that in five years the Mets and Stearns decide to let him opt out, take the best five years of the contract, and let him leave as he enters his 30s. I don’t think any player will touch his $51MM AAV for years, and I suspect the total value of $765MM will not be eclipsed in the next decade. That may give Soto pause in opting out, but if he does, the Mets may smartly let him do what he does so well: walk.

Last edited 1 year ago by MikeD
tung_twista
1 year ago

I would like to remind everyone that ‘even superstars do not age well past their early 30’s’ is an argument for paying Soto more relative to other free agents, not against.

Compared to free agents who will start their age 28 season (in the past six seasons, Correa, Hicks, and Soto are the only younger free agents who were not DFA’ed), Soto will provide twice as many seasons in his 20’s.

jfisher6844
1 year ago

Manfred wants higher attendance and a boosted overall interest in the sport. How do higher ticket prices and news of these salaries appeal to the average prospective fan making under $100k per year?

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  jfisher6844

You seriously think that people come to the park because of the players’ salaries? Or that the tickets would be cheaper if players were paid less, as opposed to the owners just pocketing the difference?

Thatguy47
1 year ago

A lot’s riding on how legit his 2024 season was, especially when factoring in him vastly underperforming his expected stats. Possible that he’s a 190-200 WRC+/9-10 WAR guy right now if you think last year was his breakout season. And even if you don’t it’s still a decent deal.

Jewish PacheMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Thatguy47

Respectfully, nobody is a [true talent] 190-200 wRC+/9-10 WAR guy

Soto himself in his best full season last year was 80% above average and 7 WAR. I’m not putting anything past Juan Soto but that’d be a ridiculous level up.

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Thatguy47
1 year ago
Reply to  Jewish Pache

He underperformed his xwOBA by 40 points is my point, and was 25. It’s possible that last year was his level up, and that it was more in line with his xwOBA then wOBA.

Jewish PacheMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Thatguy47

I hear you and that would be amazing. That said, I believe hitters like Soto tend to underperform their ELITE xwOBA’s due to its ignorance of spray angle. He just hits so many rockets to the gaps and straightaway center that get caught that are still elevating his inputs, despite the fact that they’re outs in every park.

AdvancetherunnerMember since 2021
1 year ago

“Flags fly forever” Will the Mets convert this signing into pennants and WS wins? Maybe. but it’ll be fun watching them if the “road runner” it time and time again. The Mets also struck me as a team that caught lightning in a bottle last year, and every team has a shelf life of exactly one season, so if we have a 88 win Met team next year, I would not be surprised. Moreover, how many NL teams can realistically win the pennant in 2025 (NYM, PHL, ATL, CHC, MIL, LAD, SDP, ARI)(much tougher than the AL). I am pleased for Juan Soto though; he deserves it.