Mike Olt And Prospect Golden Rules

A Golden rule of developing prospects is, “Never move a player off a more valuable defensive position until he proves incapable of playing there at the Major League Level.” This leaves the Texas Rangers in an enviable, but difficult position as they have a 10 win left-side of the infield and both the best third base and shortstop prospects in baseball.

Jurickson Profar is untouchable, but Mike Olt has been discussed in a number of trade rumors. first, he was rumored to the Braves for shortstop Andrelton Simmons. More recently, Olt’s name was thrown as a key piece in a package for Cy Young winner R.A. Dickey. This leaves me questioning if the Rangers are working to sell high on the former UConn Husky.

In April, I arrived in Surprise, Arizona at the Rangers minor league complex and stumbled upon a Double-A batting practice session including Olt. While I was impressed by a muscular physique primed for power, the ball did not explode off his barrel like other top power prospects I’ve seen.

Later in the day, a couple of Olt at-bats left him looking lost against Major League pitching. Concerned about a first impression gleaned from the smallest of sample sizes, I began to ask contacts who had seen Olt what they thought. As a third base prospect, Olt was universally praised for a well-rounded skill set buoyed by a plus defensive profile. An “above average regular” was used frequently to describe Olt with offensive projections in the .270 batting average, 25 home run range.

Since then, I’ve perceived a disconnect between the prospect and scouting communities regarding Olt. His .288/.398/.579 line in Double-A has landed him in the prospect pantheon at a time when his own organization has been shopping him around.

From a scouting perspective, Olt has to remain at third base to maintain maximum value. Move him to left field or first base, and his defensive value is negated — Especially in the outfield. This explains Texas’ hesitation to name him the “first baseman of the future”. By doing so, the Rangers devalue their own asset which is never good for business.

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For this reason, Olt to New York never made sense as David Wright’s new contract will allow him to retire a Met.

Between 1999 and 2009, teammate Adrian Beltre accumulated 43.2 wins above replacement behind plus defense at third and slightly above average offensive production. This ranked him 21st amongst all position players in WAR.

Had Beltre been a first baseman during that period, his lack of offense might have led to his being bumped from the starting lineup altogether. Beltre’s wRC+ of 105 would have tied for 29th amongst all first baseman with 3000 plate appearances or more. Remember journeyman Tony Clark? He posted a wRC+ of 105 too.

Olt is similar to the player Beltre was a decade ago in terms triple slash projection and defensive value. And with his propensity for striking out, Olt might produce less offensively. When Mike Moustakas is worth 3.5 wins behind a 90 wRC+ and plus defense, it’s conceivable to rank Olt as a top-12 third baseman entering 2013.

Unfortunately for him, Beltre is currently producing at hall of fame levels. Shift Olt to another position and his risk for exposure is too high. For the Rangers, shopping him at maximum value is the smart move.





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Frank Campagnola
13 years ago

Been a proponent of the Yankees trying to land Olt given the A-Rod situation at third, but I’m not sure what the fit would be. I do wonder if they’d be interested in Mason Williams or Tyler Austin as a centerpiece.

Frank Campagnola
13 years ago

By the way – clearly not happening this season due to the Youkilis signing. Just kinda tossing ideas out there. They’ll still need someone cheap to play 3B if they really want to get under the $189MM mark.

Preston
13 years ago

What do you think of a Olt for Jesus Montero swap. The Mariners definitely need a young bat that can play any postion other than DH, the Mariner’s have Smoak at 1B, Morales at DH and Jaso/Zunino at C, so Montero is looking like he doesn’t have a home. The Rangers could move him to 1B/DH and he would probably be helped a lot by hitting at Arlington in that lineup.

Joefrom Yonkas
13 years ago

Trade him to someone who will play him at 3B. I do not trust his bat otherwise, and think some of the “the Rangers want him to replace Hamilton” stuff I have seen is laughable. I do think his glove is legitimate at 3B.

He and other should be able to help the Rangers land a strong arm or OF talent, which the Rangers need to be competitive next year unless Olt/Martin/Perez/etc are all immediate studs.

Mr. Jones
13 years ago
Reply to  Joefrom Yonkas

Pretty sure the Rangers will be “competitive” with their current roster and no more upgrades…

Cidron
13 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Jones

not as sure, given what the Angels have bought, and what the A’s are building, and what the Mariners are willing to spend for.. Texas needs to keep pace.

Also, on the “do something to let the fans know we are trying”, they lost out on Grienke, Hamilton, Upton (either/both), and a few others, settling? on AJ Pierzynski..

Merely “competitive” isnt gonna cut it in the AL-west

Blockhead
13 years ago
Reply to  Joefrom Yonkas

As a Ranger fan who has kept up with the off-season feverishly, I have never seen anything close to “the Rangers want him to replace Hamilton”.

O's Fan
13 years ago

He’d be a perfect fit for the Orioles; once Hardy leaves the infield plan becomes Olt-Machado-Schoop. Problem is, what could the O’s trade for him? Jason Hammel and Jim Johnson? I don’t think that gets it done, but maybe….

viconquest
13 years ago

Braves would be a great match — Teheran for Olt would be a good framework. Teheran is looking more like his old self and is probably more valuable right now.

Paul
13 years ago

I think you are coming around to trusting your own take on him, Mike. I was also a big fan based on scouting reports, before I saw him just completely overmatched by the big fastball at the Futures Game. Granted, those guys are throwing high 90s for one inning, but he’ll face relievers throwing that stuff on a regular basis. Plus, how often to you slap the “above average regular” tag on a guy who does not absolutely feast on the FB? He doesn’t really remind me of LaPorta, but the comparison there is that Matt had a similar alarming showing at a Futures Game, when he of course was highly regarded by scouts, and we know how that’s turned out.

If you look at his splits last year at Frisco, he had a smaller than expected platoon advantage against lefthanders. But his contact percentage against them was even lower than against righthanders. What I saw of him was that he actually does a decent job of inside-outing balls that he can catch up to. This is odd because including the season at Myrtle Beach he has a pretty decided platoon advantage against lefthanders, and would seem to be a guy who goes up there looking to hook flyballs over the fence using his extreme uppercut swing. How do project a guy with that profile? I’d say you don’t, and you try like hell to sell high on him as you suggest.

I wouldn’t rule him out as an average regular at some point, but I think at best you’re looking at a good defensive 3B who has to be part of a platoon in the near future. His value compared to Moutakas is of course dramatically lower in that case, since Moose’s platoon disadvantage gives him twice the number of plate appearances.

Tim
13 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Sounds like the perfect Twins player.

Cody
13 years ago

Giancarlo Stanton to the Rangers for Olt and something.

this guy
13 years ago
Reply to  Cody

that would be a large group of “something”

Mordecofe
13 years ago
Reply to  this guy

If by something he means Profar, ha!

Tom
13 years ago

George W. Bush did WTC

jim
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom

okay, we get it dude

BurleighGrimes
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom

UMMM….

DRM
13 years ago

How does one measure explosiveness off the barrel?

I Agree Guy
13 years ago
Reply to  DRM

Hitf/x?

Has any of that data become available yet?

Tim
13 years ago
Reply to  DRM

You could put an accelerometer in the BP bats.

Matt
13 years ago

I think Texas is smart to shop Olt. His perceived value is quite high so they can get a solid return; he’s completely blocked at the MLB level; and the team is ready to win now, so they need to maximize their odds by sacrificing a little extra future for a little more present.

I’d think the Cubs would be interested, and they may have some SP flex now that they’ve signed EJax.

Trey Baughn
13 years ago

SEA Hultzen for TEX Olt – who would hang up first?

Balthazar
13 years ago
Reply to  Trey Baughn

Jack Z. I’m sure never hangs up on anyone, but he also remembers Lee for Smoak and dust, and so does his boss and his owners. Jack wouldn’t touch that deal, nor should he, nor are the Ms trading Hultzen, period, endquote.

But yes, I get the strong sense that the Rangers are looking to sell high on Olt, as they barely managed to do with Smoak, and for the same reason: neither will hit in the Bigs with their swing. What I find interesting is how determined Texas was to keep Andrus when they have Profar practically ready. Maybe the value of defense is finally being appreciated in Flyaway Acres, Texas. Keep ’em off the bases and the long ball doesn’t bury you.

Cidron
13 years ago
Reply to  Balthazar

two positions requiring similar skills defensively.. SS and 2b. Heard from multiple sources that the two players will be filling the positions (at the very least, to see how it works out).

Robert
13 years ago

We don’t need a 3B, we got Seager. Plus we already made one trade in our own division to get Morales. Making another trade sending one of our top pitching prospects to the Rangers would be a bad move. What we need is a SS. If the Rangers want to part with Andrus for Hultzen I would be all ears.

Mr. Jones
13 years ago
Reply to  Robert

You, sir, are not a Mariner.

Robert
13 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Jones

So should the Mariners be content with Ryan playing SS. Great defensive only goes so far when you can barely hit the mendoza line. The Mariners should’ve made a play on Stephen Drew.

brunoneptune
13 years ago

Why not Arizona? Maybe now is a good time to revisit the Upton trade. I don’t think Upton will truly be off the trading block if the right offer comes KT’s way. Olt is essentially MLB ready, too. Would Olt and Martin get it done?

Kinsm
13 years ago
Reply to  Mike Newman

Davidson is a future 1bman, Chavez is probably better suited for 2b…Johnson can be traded.

Kinsm
13 years ago
Reply to  Mike Newman

*excuse me, I meant backup (not sure why I wrote 2b). Olt can start in AAA for the time being.

Enkidu
13 years ago

What about the White Sox? Don’t they eventually have to get younger? Something that sends Konerko to Texas…

CMF
13 years ago
Reply to  Mike Newman

Konerko will never leave Chicago. Chicago will never trade konerko.

All Balls No Brains
13 years ago

Weird question: Has anyone ever traded a free agent the winter after signing them? Because I can think of some teams where he would fit well, but the deal would be trading someone they just picked up. Has this happened before?

Ian R.
13 years ago

Generally speaking, free agents can’t be traded until, I believe, after the amateur draft. There have been occasional exceptions designed to avoid draft-pick compensation, but usually sign-and-trade deals are a no go.

Well-Beered Englishman
13 years ago

“Has anyone ever traded a free agent the winter after signing them?”

Let me ask Jeffrey Loria.

Brad
13 years ago

Carlos Delgado

Kinsm
13 years ago

They need to trade him to Arizona for an outfielder, he can start in AAA for a year and then replace Chris Johnson (who can be shipped somewhere else). Arizona has way too many outfielders now. If Texas wanted they could make it an even larger package: ask for Matt Davidson in return while Texas sends back high ceiling pitching prospect(s)…that way Texas gets their future 1bman who is blocked by Goldy in the desert.

Kinsm
13 years ago
Reply to  Kinsm

Something like Mike Olt, Luke Jackson, and Cody Buckel to Arizona, Justin Upton and Matt Davidson to Texas.

That will leave Texas light on pitching prospects but that’s what it would probably take to pry away the 25 year old Upton and his 3 years of control.

Givejonadollar
13 years ago

If you send Garza to the Rangers for Olt straight up………. to the Cubs………..who wins the deal? The Rangers could request the ability to work out an extension with Garza before the trade becomes complete.

Joe
13 years ago
Reply to  Givejonadollar

The Rangers win that deal and it would cost more than Olt.

Curtis
13 years ago
Reply to  Mike Newman

Not much power there

shthar
13 years ago

Trade Olt?

Oy!

Landon
13 years ago

Garza for Olt + Perez + a top 20 prospect was a done deal according to David Kaplan the day Garza was hurt. I would imagine Garza if he proves healthy in spring training will be traded for a similar package considering the pitching market current value.

jdbolickMember since 2024
13 years ago

Olt’s Z-Contact of 68.4% is frightening. It’s pretty normal for a guy to chase pitches after a first call-up, but completely missing balls within the zone is much more concerning. Profar had a similarly bad batting average, but his Z-Contact% was 85.0%. Yes, small sample sizes, but it squares with my impression of Olt as having a questionable ability to make contact at the major league level.

TX Ball Scout
13 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

“Yes, small sample sizes”

Microscopic.

Paul
13 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

We don’t have to rely on MLB small samples. http://minorleaguecentral.com/player?pid=592609

His Z contract rate at AA was 76%. THAT is alarming. And if you look at his SO rate looking versus swinging over time, the swinging strikeout rate increased when he moved up to AA, where it was already pretty high in the lower levels.

kniwujun
13 years ago

good,good