One Marcell Ozuna for Sale

People tend to make too much of leverage. If you’re looking to trade a player, and you announce a list of the player’s weaknesses, weaknesses no one else knew about yet, sure, that would be bad for negotiations. That also doesn’t happen. What does happen, sometimes, is that a team gets tired of a player, and expresses a willingness to trade him, and the negative opinion doesn’t matter, because what matters is the market’s demand, and the market just wants to know if a player is good or not. All you need are for two or three teams to agree that a player’s pretty neat. Talks’ll take off from there, no matter what.

This is where the Marlins seem to be with Marcell Ozuna. They grew frustrated with Ozuna — and with his agent — in 2015, and when that hoax recording came out, it was still entirely believable. Based on all the chatter, Ozuna now finds himself on the block, as the Marlins want to turn him into something else. But the Marlins souring on Ozuna isn’t going to diminish his price, because teams everywhere have called them, and those teams aren’t competing against the Marlins; they’re competing against one another. Tuesday night, reports emerged that the Mariners were heavily involved in talks, and though nothing appears to be imminent, there’s enough smoke to suggest Ozuna could be headed elsewhere within a couple weeks.

It’s not often you get to observe a situation like this. When that’s the case, it makes sense the Marlins would be in the middle of it.

Marcell Ozuna doesn’t have to be complicated. What’s his deal? He hits the ball hard.

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Really hard. He has 30-home-run power, and if you’re being nice, he has 40-home-run power. Last year was a big step back for him, but even then, on batted balls captured by Statcast, Ozuna ranked 10th in baseball in average exit velocity among 152 players with at least 250 batted balls tracked. One-hundredth of a mile per hour ahead of Ozuna: Nelson Cruz. Two-hundredths behind him: Kendrys Morales. Ozuna tends to make real solid contact. When he makes contact.

That’s the strength, and what further separates Ozuna is that he’s also newly 25, and he plays a perfectly fine center field. To re-state all that: Ozuna is a young center fielder who could conceivably hit 30 dingers a year. He has four remaining seasons of team control, and because of the games the Marlins played, Ozuna didn’t qualify for Super Two. That was part of the problem between the parties in the first place, and now someone else will probably get to benefit.

Ozuna was at his best in 2014. He slugged .455 and was something like a four-win everyday player. Because of his emergence, and because of the emergence of Christian Yelich, people wondered whether the Marlins might have the best outfield in the game. It would still be a valid question, but last year Ozuna regressed. That regression is what will keep Ozuna from costing an absolute premium. Now there’s some doubt. Ozuna was just worth closer to one win, and although he finished strong, there are more questions than there used to be.

Ozuna’s projection is worth only so much, given the obvious wide range of possible outcomes, but Steamer splits the middle and thinks 2016 Ozuna is in the neighborhood of a 2.5-win player. Taking an alternate approach, you see some elements of guys like Matt Kemp, Carlos Gonzalez, and Colby Rasmus. They had similar skillsets, and between the ages of 25-28, they were all worth 10 or 11 wins, with big upside and frustrating downside. There’s that nagging thing, though. That reminder of what could go wrong. Ozuna broke out at 23 and fell back at 24. Jeremy Hermida broke out at 23 and fell back at 24. Hermida never recovered, and this all took place with the Marlins just a few years back. They know there’s no guarantee Ozuna gets on track. If there were, he wouldn’t be shopped.

For our sake, it’s nice of the Marlins to advertise what they’re looking for. If they are to trade Ozuna, it appears they want a young starting pitcher back. In a hypothetical one-for-one, it’d be a cost-controlled young outfielder for a cost-controlled young starter. There could always be peripheral pieces, but the Marlins have established what they desire.

Looking at the Mariners, since they were discussed so much Tuesday, there are a few options. Roenis Elias has five more years of control, but he isn’t good enough. That would be selling Ozuna too low. Nate Karns also has five more years of control, but he also isn’t good enough, even if he’s better than Elias. Moving up a tier, James Paxton has four more years of control, matching Ozuna. What he doesn’t have is Ozuna’s full-season breakout, and there have been injury problems. The skill level is obvious. Paxton should interest the Marlins, but given pitcher risk relative to position-player risk, this still seems just short. That leaves you with Taijuan Walker, who has five more years of control. Over Walker’s last 20 starts, he managed seven times as many strikeouts as walks. Walker seems like too much to give up. So you could do Paxton+ for Ozuna, or Walker for Ozuna+, but in a one-for-one, the answer is somewhere between those two pitchers.

And it’s not like it has to be a one-for-one, but it is still fun to try to find a starting-pitcher Ozuna equivalent. Alex Wood has the same amount of remaining control, but his star has faded too much. Someone like Danny Salazar would be too much — he’s on the same tier as Walker, or thereabouts. A name I keep coming back to is Kevin Gausman. He has five more years of control. He hasn’t had an Ozuna-level breakout, but he throws power stuff, and last year over 17 starts he managed a 97 FIP- and a 92 xFIP-. Though Ozuna’s reached the higher level, Gausman had the more encouraging 2015, and the extra control year more or less balances out the young-pitcher risk, in my mind.

So I think that’s the right kind of target, the right kind of match. To me, Marcell Ozuna is worth something like Kevin Gausman. Big upside going both directions, with the Marlins getting their power starter. Maybe Paxton would be enough; maybe the Marlins are particularly high on him, I don’t know. And as noted before, you can always sweeten a package with one or two other things. But if this trade happens, it’s going to be about the pitcher going back, most likely. And that pitcher is going to be both frustrating and promising. Quite a bit like Marcell Ozuna.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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matt
10 years ago

What about the Tigers? There in win now mode and need help in the of. Would/should they offer up Daniel Norris or Fulmer for him? If Norris didn’t exceed his innings total he’d likely be a top 20 prospect and Fulmer is top 50ish.

Baseball Guy
10 years ago
Reply to  matt

I don’t think Norris is regarded as a Top 20 talent, not even close. Fulmer is not Top 100.

Goat Fondler
10 years ago
Reply to  Baseball Guy

Rankings are irrelevant. I would be fairly shocked if Miami wouldn’t jump at the chance to acquire Norris for Ozuna.

Matt C
10 years ago
Reply to  Baseball Guy

Norris was number 18 on Baseball America’s midseason top 100, and had several impressive starts against major league competition since then. Not to mention he did this changing team and dealing with cancer. He did nothing that would warrant his stock going down, so saying he wasn’t close to top 20 is pretty ridiculous.imo

As for Fulmer not being top 100. I highly doubt that. He was on the cusp of it to start the year than he improved his stuff and had a dominating season. I think nearly every scout would put him in their top 100 right now.

M W
10 years ago

The Reds would be a good hypothetical trade partner with the Marlins. They made a trade with them 12 months ago, so they have history. The Reds need cost controlled young outfielders and have major depth in the rotation. The Reds aren’t going to trade Stephenson nor Iglesias but they have other near ready arms that should entice Miami. Maybe Finnegan + for Ozuna or something in that neighborhood?

parstMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  M W

If the comp is Gaussman or Walker, then Finnegan+ probably doesn’t do it.

Hayves
10 years ago
Reply to  M W

It would likely have to be at least Stephenson or Iglesias

Palm Beach Mansion
10 years ago
Reply to  Hayves

Loria has zero interest in soft tossers. Loria has the most extreme fetish for hard throwing pitchers that I can think of. If a pitcher can’t sit at 95 MPH and touch 98 then Loria has no interest in him.

ReuschelCakes
10 years ago

quick! someone put this comment through a few languages and see if we get something great!

cubfanjack
10 years ago
Reply to  M W

Reds have major rotation depth after dumping Cueto and Leake? They may have some young depth, but major seems a little over stated?

joser
10 years ago

This sounds like a player Zduriencik would target — especially after that litany of players (Cruz, Morales) who hit the ball about as hard. The one difference is, he isn’t a 1B-who-should-play-DH. Getting a player who hits the ball hard and can play a premium defensive position? That’s a new day in Seattle.

parstMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  joser

> This sounds like a player Zduriencik would target

Jack Z wouldn’t target Ozuna whilst he has a perfectly capable Nelson Cruz or Mark Trumbo to man the outfield corners.

Kershawshank Redemption
10 years ago
Reply to  parst

You guys do know that Jack is no longer the GM in Seattle, right?

John C
10 years ago

I think you missed the sarcasm there. Cruz and Trumbo are both very bad outfielders. If you get much worse than they are, you’re in Hanley Ramirez territory. But Jack Z never understood that. Dipoto does.

Son of Thunder
10 years ago

Would love to see the Ms somehow dump Trumbo’s $9 million (or whatever the exact amount is) in any Ozuna deal, then use the Trumbo money elsewhere.

Basebull
10 years ago
Reply to  Son of Thunder

They’ve basically got $30 million left to spend assuming they have the exact same payroll as last year, with no inflation. Why start penny pinching now?

Son of Thunder
10 years ago
Reply to  Basebull

Reallocation is not penny pinching. Assuming they’d have to give up a SP in any Ozuna deal, also means they’d likely have to address that void. Trumbo’s loss offensively would be made up by Ozuna, well at least to whatever degree Ozuna performed, and the loss of Trumbo’s salary could be used towards a free agent SP and even their bullpen as well.

Palm Beach Mansion
10 years ago
Reply to  Son of Thunder

Jeffrey Loria dumps money, not the other way around.

Shawnuel
10 years ago
Reply to  Son of Thunder

The only way they dump Trumbo is by including Walker and I hope they don’t. Or they hope Florida is dumb enough to think Trumbo’s stock is up because Bryan Cranston is getting oscar buzz for playing Trumbo.

MjwW
10 years ago

“He has 30-home-run power, and if you’re being nice, he has 40-home-run power.”

He’s never hit more than 23 home runs.

bcpkid
10 years ago
Reply to  MjwW

Neither did Harper until this year. It’s called “projection.”

Ken
10 years ago
Reply to  MjwW

And as a 23 year old Nolan Arenado had never hit more than 18 home runs.
Obviously he will never develop into a power hitter.

joser
10 years ago
Reply to  MjwW

You folks need to learn not to respond in any way to MjwW. It’s like wrestling with a pig: he never wins, but he thinks he does; and no matter what, he enjoys it and you just end up feeling dirty

Roger
10 years ago

I could see him being a good fit for the Gomez-less Brewers. Would Wily Peralta be a Gausmanesque enough name?

state the obvious
10 years ago
Reply to  Roger

only 3 years left of control, maybe peralta + khris davis + low level arm for ozuna and tom koehler.

Dba455
10 years ago
Reply to  Roger

I don’t think so. But it did get me thinking of Wily Mo Pena as a loose Ozuna comp, and I enjoyed that.

Ghost of Bernanke
10 years ago
Reply to  Dba455

Best Wily Mo Pena Trivia:

He once had a “Wily Mo Pena Bobble Head Night” on which he hit two home runs.

Michael
10 years ago

What about the Braves? Either Teheran or Miller would work but it’d probably take more to get Miller. The Braves are (or should be) looking for young high upside bats

Larry Bernandez
10 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Uh, I think Miller would be an underpay. Ozuna is clearly a high upside young bat, while Miller still has a questionable future. Honestly, though, I think the Marlins should look for more than just a young, comparable pitcher, given the likelihood of injuries they endure.

Baseball Guy
10 years ago

Other way round. Miller is worth quite a bit more than Ozuna. Don’t look at win-loss. If you can get by that, Miller was a top 20 pitcher in the NL last year.

Palm Beach Mansion
10 years ago
Reply to  Michael

NO WAY

Not unless the Braves first move to the AL or to the west coast.

All Jeffrey Loria player dumps of this nature go to the other league as a first option or to a west coast NL team if no AL destination can be secured.

You can bet the house that Ozuna will not be dealt directly to a team in the NL East If Loria even sniffs the possibility of a third team being involved nothing will happen until he uncovers who that third team is.

BurleighGrimes
10 years ago

The Marlins were perfectly content to trade both Mike Piazza and later Carlos Delgado to the Mets for such luminaries as Ed Yarnall, Geoff Goetz, Mike Jacobs, Yusmeiro Petit, Grant Psomas, etc. Loria DNGAF.

Palm Beach Mansion
10 years ago
Reply to  BurleighGrimes

I did not write anything about the Marlins. I wrote: “Jeffrey Loria”.

What you are referring to with Piazza was two owners previous to Loria taking control.

Evan
10 years ago

Loria did trade Josh Willingham and Scott Olsen to the Nats though..

Jeff Loria
10 years ago

Ozuna for Fernandez.

Ryan
10 years ago

I like Ozuna and see the power/glove potential in CF, but I am surprised Karns (or unmentioned guys in that tier of starting pitcher) aren’t enough. You could add kickers and also bank on that extra year of control (read: extra pre-arb year) that goes a long way in Marlins country.

I, Balthazar
10 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

Which is why I think Loria comes back to the Mariners to revisit this. Of course the Marlins would love to get a young power pitcher with four+ years of control, but frankly Ozuna isn’t enough for to get that given his half-good 2015, quite aside from the fact that there are very few of such guys. The young Andrew Cashner did get moved. He had significant command problems of his own, and how many guys like that can one name around the league now?

Gausman might be a good match, but Loria likes guys who throw the high hard one and get Ks. Karns isn’t quite enough, but a package with him in it may be the best fit unless somebody goes all in for Ozuna’s ceiling. It won’t be Walker or Paxton, though.

Chris
10 years ago
Reply to  I, Balthazar

Walker is definitely too much for Ozuna, but if Marlin’s like Paxton maybe M’;s could put a package together with Paxton and Elisa for Ozuna and Mr X?

Hope Dipoto gets this done somehow. I think he will. He needs a CF with a down year in 2015 and this is their man….perfect fit

I, Balthazar
10 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Paxton is a seriously powerful power pitcher. He has missed two thirds of each of the last two seasons with somewhat freak but lingering injuries, or he’d be definitively unavailable. The only reason to even consider moving him is his age, but he still has years of control left and not a lot of miles on his arm. I don’t see Ozuna as remotely being good enough to get Paxton’s ceiling unless a club is down on James or truly desperate, and Jerry DiPoto just is smarter than that and not desperate.

This is the problem for the Marlins. Of course they’d love to get a guy like James Paxton, or Danny Salazar, or Carlos Rodon back, but few or any of those are gettable at all, and Marcell Ozuna hasn’t established a floor that could get such a deal done, quite aside from the fact that Loria’s obvious antipathy for the player weakens his position to hold out for more. To me, it will take a package to get Ozuna, anchored on a good starting pitcher a little less than the Marlins would really like. Something like Karns or Trevor Bauer plus more, particularly another prospect starter perhaps.

Brad JohnsonMember
10 years ago

So Jeff seems to imply a year of club control for a position player and pitcher are equal. Is that the case? Should it be the case? Personally, I would be holding firm at a Walker or Salazar knowing that unestablished pitchers are so very injury prone. Obviously, it’s not my call.

Ryan
10 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

As a potential buyer, I would view both pitchers as more established than Ozuna. They are already solidly above average contributors with comparable upside to Ozuna.

There’s a very real chance that Ozuna is a competent starter, a guy who’s a big asset with game power against lefties who is nullified into averageishness against same-sided righties. Usually this type of player can’t be an asset defensively at a premium position; he’s worth quite a bit. If we are to assign the most weight to the most recent year, Jeff seems to be excusing Ozuna’s poor year at the plate more than he needs to, or maybe ought to.

Ozuna’s only 24, sure. I don’t know, I would definitely be in on him, but I would never trade a Walker or Salazar for him 1 for 1. Continued development from Ozuna is far from a slam dunk (of course, Jeff highlights this, too).

Brad JohnsonMember
10 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

I don’t disagree necessarily. But for the sake of argument, I’m not sure you can call Walker more established than Ozuna. He certainly finished on a higher note last year, but he was also abysmal for awhile too. And Ozuna has outperformed him overall. It’s an arguable point.

Salazar at least has reached a higher level of performance and consistency, but there are red flags in his profile too. Personally, I worry about how he’ll age since his fastball-splitter repertoire is heavily reliant on the plus heater. If he loses a few ticks he might have trouble keeping the ERA below 4.00.

Again, I don’t really disagree with your comment overall, it’s just a nuanced problem. I said what I’d do as the Marlins. As the Indians or Mariners, I wouldn’t trade Salazar or Walker for Ozuna. I’d feel like I could get a better player with those assets. Or a comparable, older outfielder for less.

Ryan
10 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Don’t bet against those peripherals in an age 22 season!

Sounds like we’re saying something similar. Sure, all three guys have red flags. If I decide I’m almost certainly going to trade the guy, I’m pretty happy to land Nate Karns (with an additional year of cost control to boot). Then again, Seattle probably isn’t going to hear that on the first phone call. I’d be surprised if Taijuan or Salazar is realistically available for some better outfielders than Ozuna, frankly.

I, Balthazar
10 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

This. Even better guys than Ozuna wouldn’t, and shouldn’t, bet back Walker or equivalent. Walker’s stuff has been very consistent for years, and his secondaries have taken big jumps in the last year.

Pitchers break down, but this is balanced by the extreme scarcity of front of the rotation arms. There are innumerable arms like Ivan Novas and Tyson Ross, or Glasnow, or Shelby Miller for that matter. There are very few Taijuan Walker’s at any time. If you trade one, you just can’t replace them internally. If your org comes up with an arm as good as Walker’s every five years, you’re doing fabulously well. Ozuna on present form just isn’t good enough, ceiling and all, to forego the chance at a homegrown front of the rotation arm.

Bob
10 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I know a guy named Brad Johnson.

tz
10 years ago

Any chance Ozuna could get them Nate Eovaldi?

Matt
10 years ago

I read the title and had a heart attack when I assumed this would be about a hypothetical Marcell Ozuna/Chris Sale trade.

GoOppo
10 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Maybe I should start reading comments first. My sentiments exactly

GoOppo
10 years ago

I swear I saw this and was like “Marcell once was a interesting guy, but for Sale?