Six Takeaways From Our 2024 Playoff Odds Release

Hey there, FanGraphs reader. Great news! Our playoff odds just went up for the 2024 season. These odds, as always, are mostly enlightening, but also a tiny bit mystifying. The model itself remains simple: We take projections for each player, aggregate them up to the team level based on playing time projections, and then use that to create expected team run scoring and prevention numbers. From there, we simulate out the season 20,000 times and note what happened in each instance. The odds are just a summary of those simulations.
As simple as the process is, it’s also inscrutable. How good are the projections? We think they’re very good, as they’re a combination of ZiPS and Steamer. But those projections inevitably differ from people’s perceptions of both individual players and teams. So in what’s become an annual tradition, I’m going to give you a guided tour through the projections and point out the notable points in each division, then explain how our model got there and what I think of it.
The AL East Is a Buzzsaw
My goodness, this division is good. Our model simulates the actual schedule, but to do that, we first forecast team strengths in a vacuum, and the AL East has four of the top 10 teams in baseball, and four of the top six teams in the American League. If we played in a weird counterfactual world where instead of facing each other, every team played a hypothetical .500 team 162 times, our model projects that the AL East would outscore their opponents by a combined 218 runs. The second-best division in baseball is the NL East… at 44 runs.
The Yankees sitting in first place might surprise some people, but they finished above .500 last year despite some bad injury luck, and both the model and I absolutely love what they’ve done to the team since then. They backfilled the rotation with Marcus Stroman, who should provide bulk innings with reasonable quality, something the team sorely lacked last year. They acquired three different outfielders better than every Yankees outfielder aside from Aaron Judge, and one of those was Juan Freaking Soto. There are certainly still reasons to worry – depth and aging being the top two – but our odds agree with bookmakers and other similarly constructed models that they’re the team to beat in the division. They might not win 95 games because the division is so tough, but this iteration of the Yankees looks legitimately great.
The Orioles and Rays are in a dead heat for second, which might surprise some – the O’s just won a billion games, after all. But they outperformed their raw statistics meaningfully, and we’re projecting their competition to get tougher this year. Adding Corbin Burnes is obviously great, and we think they’re now one of the best run prevention teams in baseball, so mission accomplished there. Still, this is the projection of a club just below the game’s elite tier, which contains four teams: the Braves, Dodgers, Astros, and Yankees. The system simply doesn’t care that the O’s won 100 games last year; it projects each player individually and goes from there.
The Rays have generally been underrated by our model because their depth does an incredible job covering for injuries. That may yet be the case this year, but they’ve also accumulated a gaudy assortment of above-average hitters and pitchers that mean they stack up well against the rest of the league when comparing starter to starter. Add in their usual depth, this time headlined by a bumper crop of prospects, and things look characteristically rosy in Tampa Bay. By BaseRuns, which strips out sequencing and context from the statistics each team puts up, they finished 11 wins ahead of the O’s last year (but two games behind in real life). We’re projecting a healthy dose of regression for them, but they’re just so good that it’s hard to imagine them falling further than this.
Lastly, the Blue Jays and Red Sox are no slouches. We have the Jays as the seventh-best team in baseball, but think they’ll win the 12th-most games. We think the Red Sox are above average and yet will finish with a losing record. Either of those teams would stand a good chance of winning one of the two central divisions. What a wildly competitive group.
The Twins Stand Alone
It’s really hard to project as having a 50% chance of winning your division. Baseball is inherently volatile and teams are bunched up. Only four teams in the entire majors hit that mark, and three of them are the consensus best three teams in the sport: the Braves, the Dodgers, and the Astros. The fourth is the Twins, who we think would be the fifth-best team in the AL East if everyone played the same schedules.
Here’s the thing, though: the AL Central is awful this year. Dylan Cease and Luis Robert Jr. might still be on the roster, but the White Sox are fast approaching the point where they move past the “trade everything that’s not nailed down” part of their teardown and start trading the nails. The Royals lost 106 games last year, and while we think they’re going to be a lot better in 2024, they’re still a bad team. The Tigers and Guardians are going to struggle to score runs, though both will do a fairly good job of preventing them.
The Twins aren’t exactly the second coming of the 2001 Mariners or the 1927 Yankees. We project them in the bottom half of baseball offensively, though we do love their pitching staff. But when you win your division by nine games and none of your opponents do much to improve their rosters over the winter, it’s easy to come out on top again. At least, that’s what our odds think, and I tend to agree. For what it’s worth, betting markets do too: In perfect agreement with our odds, the Twins are one of only four teams who are more likely than not to win their division.
Look at the Mariners and Rangers
Dunking on the Mariners for their payroll-reducing ways has become a fun offseason pastime. They sent Eugenio Suárez away for very little, then traded away Jarred Kelenic with a few bad (but still relatively minor) contracts for nothing in return. Even bringing Mitch Haniger back into the fold was as much about Robbie Ray’s salary as it was reinforcing the outfield. Combine those moves with the team’s murky RSN picture and the goal is pretty clear: This winter was about long-term financial savings.
It’s definitely a bummer to take a team that’s right on the fringes of the playoffs and subtract pieces to balance the books. But Jerry Dipoto and co. have done a really good job of maximizing the team’s 2024 chances while doing so, and our odds show it. Sure, they’re in a tough division – the defending World Series champs aren’t even the favorites. Sure, they traded away some players who looked like important contributors. But they did a lot of adding around the edges, and even if I didn’t like the big picture thinking behind a lot of their trades, I think they did really well tactically in most of their deals. Their offense still isn’t going to light the world on fire, but their pitching remains elite. They barely missed the playoffs last year, and they might be a better team in 2024 than they were in 2023.
As for the Rangers, their challenge will be getting to the playoffs. Three of their top four pitchers will miss the first half of the year, which is impacting their full-season run prevention projection. Their bullpen remains sketchy at best. But if they’re still in the thick of things when Jacob deGrom, Max Scherzer, and Tyler Mahle return, watch out: Our depth charts give that trio 17% of their starter innings, but that number might be above 50% by September. Our full-year forecast simply can’t account for that late-season change.
It’s Always Sunny in… Atlanta
Yeah, the Braves are ridiculous. We think they’re the best team in baseball by a wide margin. Their offense is ludicrous, of course. They lit the majors on fire in 2023. But their pitching should be better this year with a full season of Max Fried and some valuable innings from Chris Sale. They even shored up their bullpen, which now ranks among the best in baseball. Last year was no fluke; this team is just stacked across the board.
No one else is realistically playing for first in the NL East. That’s not because the Phillies are awful; we think they’re more likely than not to make the playoffs thanks to a top 10 offense. But they’re just not the equal of Atlanta, at least in the regular season. You can tell that the Braves agree; their offseason was built around addressing their lack of dominant postseason pitching. I also enjoy the Marlins/Mets face-off in the middle of the division; we think both teams will get to .500-ish records in extremely different ways.
The Brewers Might Have Miscalculated
The Brewers are trying to thread a delicate needle by trading Corbin Burnes while bringing up Jackson Chourio. They’re working on setting up their next five years while also keeping 2024 in play. That “next five years” part is looking pretty good – they infused an already promising young core with more talent by trading Burnes – but they’re no longer the favorites in the NL Central after losing their ace.
That position falls to the Cardinals, who finished last in the division in 2023. But they’re the Cardinals, and they focused their entire offseason on shoring up their biggest weakness: pitching. We still think they’re not a very good pitching team; they have the 11th-worst run prevention projection in baseball despite playing in a pitcher’s park. But they were much worse than that last year, and their offense is loaded.
The Cubs might end up being better than they look at the moment — they’re reportedly still considering adding a marquee free agent. The Reds have a Cardinals-esque pitching staff without the run-suppressing home stadium, so they’re going to get in a lot of shootouts, but their hitters will win their fair share of them. In 2023, Milwaukee easily walked away with this division. In 2024, we think that it’ll be a melee with the Brewers starting from a disadvantage. They’re not down and out by any means, but they’re coming into the season in a weaker position than Wisconsinites are used to.
The Giants are Confusing
Okay, fine, the Dodgers are really great. We and pretty much everyone with a pulse agree that they’re one of the best teams in baseball. I don’t think that’s an interesting takeaway from our odds, though. It’s just obvious on its face. Yeah, the team with Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, and Shohei Ohtani is good. That’s all you’re going to get on them in this article.
The down-ballot portion of the division is considerably more intriguing to me. The Diamondbacks unquestionably overperformed expectations last year; they got outscored on the season and made the World Series anyway. This offseason, they doubled down on their success by shoring up weaknesses both in the field and on the mound, and they’re coming back with a stronger core around Corbin Carroll, Ketel Marte, and Zac Gallen. We think they’re more likely than not to make the playoffs.
My biggest “whoa, what?” of the entire odds run, though, is the position of the Giants and Padres. 2023 was supposed to be San Diego’s last stand. They lost a ton of contributors from that team via free agency and trade, and spent the offseason reducing payroll instead of reloading. The list of their offseason moves mostly reads like a minor league waiver wire. We’re projecting their payroll to drop by $90 million this year, a huge tumble.
We still like them more than the Giants, who are spinning their wheels without accomplishing much of anything. They didn’t sign many free agents this year after talking a big game about rebounding from missing out on Aaron Judge by making a huge push for Shohei Ohtani. They’re also spending much less in 2024 than they did in 2023; they’re down nearly $50 million in payroll. They have a below-average infield and a league average outfield, even with the addition of Jung Hoo Lee. Their pitching staff is thin — it’s Logan Webb and then a lot of question marks. Their bullpen is hardly an asset; it’s been intermittently good in recent years thanks to swingmen bulking it up, but a lot of those guys left this winter. Robbie Ray’s eventual return will help, but even then, I don’t like the construction of this team much at all.
Surely, this isn’t how the Giants planned it. Their 107-win 2021 campaign was clearly a high-water mark, but it wasn’t supposed to be the last time they contended. Right now, though, this team looks lost at sea. A sub-Padres projection is a fitting indictment – even the team purposefully trading off its best players to shrink the budget looks better on paper. The farm system’s not great, either. The San Francisco doom loop narrative irks me to no end as a resident; I think the city is great and that reports of its decline are a ridiculous culture war talking point. But on the baseball field? Now there, I have to admit it looks pretty doom-y.
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heard that one before. how’s that usually work out
Typically around 90+ wins and a playoff spot
sure about that? old, injury-prone, and no depth? that’s a bad trio right there. each kinda compounds upon the other two
Where exactly are they lacking in depth?
They’ve got 2 catchers who could make a case to be starters, plus another reasonable backup. (Trevino, Wells, Rortvedt)
Infield: Rizzo, Torres, Volpe, LeMahieu, Peraza
Outfield/DH: Stanton, Judge, Verdugo, Soto, Grisham + Pereira + some AAAA guys like Greg Allen, Luis Gonzalez, etc.
The rotation is set assuming everyone is healthy. A couple mediocre fill-ins (Weaver, Poteet), and a few prospects very close to the majors.
They’ve already got too many guys to put in the bullpen.
Really the infield is the only place where they could use a little more depth. Getting one of the OF some time at 1B would solve that problem, but not sure if they’d do that.
Heh heh. While I think it’s fine that a projection does not *assume* a spate of injuries — even if occurring with regularity of late — I do hope your skepticism is validated.
The sport is so much better when the Yankees are middling.
Yep, definitely better when the teams in the flyover states are better than the teams where everyone actually lives
Hear hear!
Damn that must mean baseball has sucked for you since the early ’90s… That makes sense given that you wish for players to be injured.
Hey I’m just wishing for middling. How they get there doesn’t matter.
Obviously I’m just poking fun at decades of national media stating as fact that League X is better when the Yankees, Red Sox, Lakers, Knicks, Giants, Cowboys, etc. are in contention. I’d just as well seeing the Marlins win 90.
Not the Marlins. The Marlins are depressing. But the Orioles, Mariners, Twins, and Padres…
For me the Mariners and Twins rank high in the underrated class. Orioles very good but slightly overrated. Padres ?? Who knows. Certainly not me.
No. It’s better when the Yankees are just good enough to miss the playoffs by a game or two and we can listen to them whine about it.
I’m genuinely confused why people think the Yankees are old. They were 15th youngest team last year and are younger this year. They have 3 older bats in DJ, Rizzo, Stanton. The rest of the lineup is very young. No starter over 33. Young pen outside of Kahnle.
Because almost none of the young guys are contributing anything at all. Obviously Soto and Torres will. The rest?
Volpe is projected at 3 wins isn’t he?
Surely based entirely on minor league performance that evaporated on arrival last season. He has no distinct offensive attribute to carry him, he’s just mediocre or moderately bad at all of it. He’d need to improve somewhere between 5% and 30% at like 20 different things to be an impactful player.
The offensive projections literally just expect him to hit his xwOBA from 2023, haha.
He put up 2 fWAR and 3 rWAR despite underperforming his batted ball data by 17 points of wOBA, last year.
Soto, Torres, Wells, and Volpe are projected for about 15 WAR. Plus a wildcard in Peraza (some systems project him for another win). Then 1-2 WAR for Dominguez depending on when he comes back? Oh, and then they have this guy Aaron Judge.
Jealousy against the Yankees is always high. The truth hurts. They are a very good team that if they added Snell would be American League favourites…..they almost are as is. Almost any projection system ranks them ahead of Baltimore. Anti Yankee fans abound because they are jealous.
Also if Soto and Torres were literally the only contributions they got from players who are “young” they’d be better off than most other teams in that department. As if it matters.
And a lot of the building up redundancies is to cover for the fact that you can’t expect all three of those to be healthy and good at the same time.
I am concerned about 1B depth and feel like they should do something to shore that up.
Yankees’ 1B depth should be Juan Soto.
I understand your point but if Rizzo can’t do the job they slide DJ over and put Peraza at 3B. Now if both Rizzo and DJ slump they have a problem.
It’s literally impossible to have it be more than 6; that 4 have done it makes me feel like it’s not *that* hard for the best team in a division to get there? Unless this year is an aberration in that respect
Going back to 2021, it’s been four or five teams every year. I think a version of this point (it is difficult to build a team good enough to beat “the field” in projections) is sound, but it’s poor phrasing to say “only four teams in the entire majors,” implicitly suggesting the denominator is 30 and not 6.
One thing that is rare and difficult is have 87% odds to win your division, as the Braves have here. I believe the previous highest odds since 2021 were the 2022 Brewers with 72%. (The 2022 Brewers did not win their division.)
Agree, that comment struck me as odd.
Looking back at the preseason playoff odds the past 3 years, the number of teams with more than a 50% chance of winning their division were: 4 teams in 2023, 5 in 2022, and 4 in 2021. So this year looks right in line with the last few.
Interestingly, if we go back and look at 2016-2019, 23 out of 24 divisions had a team with >50% chance of winning the division (2019 Cubs at 47.4% are the only one below).
I know these are just projections and blah blah blah…
But I gotta stick up for my Reds here. They went 82-80 last year, will get a healthy Nick Lodolo back, have more depth than they know what to do with (and enough to presumably replace any extended slumper with a viable replacement), and with even just a standard amount of progress from their youth movement should be looking at an even better season…
and the projections have them at 79-83!? Sliding backwards? While the Cardinals will use black magic to add 13 wins to their ’23 record!?
Huh?
Ironically, the projections based on the “Depth Charts” don’t do a very good job of adjusting for depth, since very rarely does it predict injuries for players in advance. The probabilistic simulations that Dan does with ZiPS is better for that. Although the Cardinals are even better suited for those projections than the Reds–they have a ton of position players.
I’m looking at the Depth Charts right now and it seems like they’re projecting a similar outcome for the Reds as last year, just a bit closer to their Pythaogrean than actual record. For the Cardinals, it’s a few different things. A few new additions, a couple of rebounds, and a couple of surprise breakthroughs. I’m more skeptical about Lance Lynn and Masyn Winn here, and I’m not thinking that every single bad-defending Cardinal is going to be about average going forward. But most of it is them having pitching. Last year their pitching was abysmal.
I think age is the interesting difference here. If player A and player B both have the same projections but one is 25 and one is 35. The 25 year old has hope and excitement on his side, while the 35 year has the safety of already doing this. I do think the projections are a little rosy for the cardinals staff than the Reds, but the reds still do not have a good pitching staff barring the 25 year olds growing and playing better. Also, the projections do have the Reds being 15 runs better than they were last season.
Agreed on Lance Lynn. I would not count on him but Masyn Winn is a player I see a very good career ahead of him.
The Cardinals had winning record according to BaseRuns in mid July when the team announced it was no longer contending in 2023. The individual performances were there to win the division, but they had sequencing issues on the offensive side. All of the offensive contributors are back except Tyler O’Neill who doesn’t seem to be able to stay healthy. The trade deadline moves shored up pitching depth.
Methodology is laid out in article
That’s because the Reds probably have the worst pitching in the entire division, even worse than the Cardinals and Pirates. At least the Cardinals did add a lot of new guys to their pitching staff, especially their new ace, Sonny Gray.
You might want to study Nick Lodolo, Hunter Greene and Andrew Abbott. Ball park hurts their projections but all are darn good pitchers.
But just about the *only* good or decent pitchers, plus Gray is much better than any of them. Even Keller on the Pirates is better, and the Pirates also have a decent bullpen at worst.
Yeah, I have been banging the “the cardinals were better than they looked” drum all off-season. Their pitching was horrifying, and they gave up one of the five or so worst babips in the last 20 years, and every player’s defense cratered. It’s hard to overstate how massive of an upgrade it is from “horrid” to “almost cromulent” pitching. And the BABIP thing feels weird to me, and tied to the defense. I don’t think they’ll be the best defensive team in the majors again, but they certainly have the talent to be above average. So add a few wins to the baseline from neutral BABIP luck, bake in some defensive regression to the mean, then add like 500 innings to the rotation and I get why the projections like the Cardinals.
The weird thing about baseball media in general is that when these Reds players were in the minors, it was all ‘look how crazy these guys are!’ Then they all got promoted, played well enough to lead a team to a winning record, and then everyone thinks they’re a below average team moving forward.
As a Reds fan, it’s annoying. But if the kids become stars, they’ll contend for the next five years, projections or no projections.
That’s because they still have a bottom 5 pitching staff.
I have to agree with you. No way the Reds slide backwards. Part of the problem is the ball park. It makes it almost impossible for their talented pitchers to produce good numbers. Greene, Abbott, Lodolo all quite good but projections see mediocre numbers. Lots of good hitters in the lineup….and yes they can easily cover for an injury. If I was a reds fan I would be very happy.
I still dont think a rotation where all starters are 35 years old is a formula for success and Cardinals are not going to win the NL central. But the division is pure chaos right now so who knows.
To be fair, Gray is only 34, and Matz is only 32.
Anyway, point taken, but they are much younger in the bullpen, and the pitching only has to be passable as long as the offense lives up to expectations to have a good chance to win such a weak division.
FIFY
The last time a division had three teams win at least 85 games(85+ wins gets you into wild card contention ala a “good” team)
AL East – 2023
AL Central- 2014
AL West – 2023
NL East – 2022(2023 was one game away with marlins at 84 wins)
NL Central 2018 (2019 was one game away with cubs at 84 wins)
NL West – 2017 (Arizona and San Diego were both close in 2023 with 82 and 84 wins)
Also its funny that every division had 2 teams with winning records in 2023 except the AL central which hasnt had 2 teams finish above .500 since 2019.
I didnt include 2020 in any of these stats above.
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Outside of the White Sox being awful, there really isn’t a huge difference between the two centrals in the projected standings.
The Royals and Tigers trying to milk too much out of their early/mid-2010s contention windows and subsequently botching their rebuilds to this point has left this division with two consistently bad teams (with the Tigers approaching mediocre in 2021 and 2023). The White Sox are just laughably incompetent, which has been discussed at length. You’re left with two orgs (CLE and MIN) competent enough to not be horrible but without any pressure to be legitimately good.
Hopefully the Royals and Tigers can climb or stay out of the MLB basement this year so this division can start to be respectable again in the near future.
The NL Central is projected to be .498 overall. The AL Central is projected to be .492 overall if you drop the White Sox. I think the AL Central stands apart as a bad division in these projections.
Another way to put it is that the AL Central would be like the NL Central if you dropped the worst team (the White Sox) and added a fringe wild-card contender (the Cubs). Going from a team projected to win 67 games to one projected to win 81 or 82 games is a huge swing.
I cant remember exactly but i think it was in 2019 or 2020 there was an article that stated that the braves and white sox were projected as the two next elite teams for the next 5+ seasons and its wild how drastically different these two teams have moved in opposite directions.
Corbin Burnes was 4.2 WAR on the Brewers’ Depth Chart before the trade and is 3.7 WAR on the Orioles’ Depth Chart now. It’s not due to a change in innings. Is that because the projected FIP has not been re-run through Steamer/ZIPS for a lower number due to the better home park, but the WAR assigned is lower because of the better home park?
Speculating but maybe also exchanging 48 games against the NL Central and 15 against the AL East for the reverse? Not sure how much that would impact it here but I have to think that’s also a factor.
Whoa, this is an interesting point I never considered. Take, say, Ronald Acuna Jr. and have him play this season only facing Felix Bautista every at-bat vs. facing some AAA pitcher every at-bat. Obviously, his WAR would be very different in those two scenarios. But should it be? He’s the same guy playing the same game.
well he’d be producing less against Bautista than against the AAA guys, so yes it should be, imo
The difference between him and the the theoretical replacement player wouldn’t necessarily be any different though. The replacement player would also produce less against Bautista than against the AAA guys.
I’ve always found it interesting that advanced baseball stats don’t usually adjust for quality of opposition when that’s a huge emphasis in advanced football stats, but I think the general idea is that over a baseball season it averages out.
I take your point here, but I don’t think that’s quite right. A replacement level player would presumably produce even less against Bautista than his already-poor numbers against a league average arm.
I’m not sure if Acuna’s value would be identical in this case (i.e. would his reduced production provide more, less, or the same value above the reduced production from the replacement player?), but it’s not obvious to me that he would provide less value.
It’s analogous to park factors – some may benefit more or less, but producing less in Petco than Coors doesn’t inherently make you a worse player. I think it’s too simple to say his raw production would be lower so his WAR should be lower.
This might be wrong and is not the point of your hypothetical, but I would expect Acuña to produce more against Bautista if he faced him every AB than if he faced a different AAA pitcher in every AB, for the same reason you’d often rather have Tommy Kahnle than Gerrit Cole after Cole has already faced the lineup two times.
I think that bWAR adjusts for quality of competition, that’s how that wild 6 WAR mike minor year happened.
Maybe it does, but a lot of it is compensating for team defense. Minor gets credit for having a .287 BABIP when the team as a whole had a .312 BABIP. And DRS (which bbRef uses for the adjustment) seemed especially hostile to the Texas D that year.
Another way of thinking about this, fWAR uses FIP for a defense-independent measure, and in 2019 Minor’s FIP was 0.66 higher than his ERA. bbWAR uses an adjustment for the team’s specific defense, and in 2019 Minor’s adjustment was -0.33 (that is, bbWAR thinks Texas’s defense cost him 0.33 runs per nine innings).
It’s not quite apples to apples because bbWAR is working off runs allowed rather than ERA, but fWAR thinks Minor’s ERA “should have” been 0.66 higher neutralizing team defense and BABIP luck, and bbWAR thinks his RA “should have” been 0.33 lower neutralizing team defense. That’s almost a full run and will explain most of the difference between 4.1 fWAR and 8.0 bbWAR.
Some surprises to me:
1) Cards over Cubs; there’s a lot of hope that StL’s offense doesn’t suffer any problems at all *and* that guys like Lance Lynn aren’t cooked
2) Marlins and Mets doing the Spiderman Meme
3) Mariners almost 5 wins better than the Rangers (sure TEX’s pitching staff is not great, but have you seen the Mariner lineup?)
Does anyone know what happened with the Marlins? It seemed like they were finally turning the corner, now the GM is gone and they look like the wheels are about to come off.
The issue is that they have had a string of pretty bad GMs all in a row. Ng was the best of the them, but it was a low bar to clear, she was still below average.
I don’t think that’s fair to Ng, who apparently left because of ownership’s unwillingness to commit to *any* strategy of sustainable competitiveness and *de*motion. You’re not going to create a pipeline in 1-2 yrs, especially if you ALSO want to make the playoffs and aren’t willing to spend.
I’d love to see her replace Zaidi in SF (who, imo, has been the biggest disappointment in the GM space) and bring some heat back to one-sided rivalry and her Dodger origins
The owner thought that the team didn’t have the development pipeline to have real success, and he has a point. They were awfully lucky last year, and just making the playoffs when you get lucky isn’t an ideal situation. So they hired a guy from Tampa Bay who did nothing this offseason. But I don’t think there’s any long-term road to success unless they start drawing fans again, so they have to be good enough to with a clean slate with the fans.
I mean in his defense the farm system is pretty brutal due to some really bad drafting by Ng-specifically the Jacob Berry pick. They could’ve had brooks Lee!
I look at the marlins and the royals, who both have competitive balance picks and draft relatively high-it is just wild how bad their farm systems are
He’s not wrong, but the Marlins have been far more successful than the Royals. Part of it is that they made some good trades with teams that probably should have known better. Luzardo, Alcantara, Tanner Scott, AJ Puk…would have been even better if they had kept Gallen but even then they have Chisholm as a result of that. But they have a lot of other good young homegrown pitching in the majors (Perez, Garrett, Trevor Rogers).
There’s also another issue with both the Royals and Marlins–it’s not clear how much Ng and Picollo are responsible for the current mess. They were both around, but neither one was the final decisionmaker for most of what went on there. Both teams probably should have found someone with a new perspective but it’s not entirely clear that they should be held responsible for decisions made in 2021.
Have you seen the Mariners pitching? They are projected to allow the fewest runs in baseball.
The offense is where the Cardinals have a lot of depth. They can afford to have a few problems there. Their season is riding mostly on how good their revamped pitching staff will be.
Mariners lineup, while not great, has improved quite a bit. They added 2 guys with over a 130wRC+ last year (Garver, Raley) , Polanco with a career 111wRC+, and Haniger with a 118 wRC+. While none of those guys are projected to be as good as those numbers, that still is a marked improvement over who was penciled in prior. The Rangers have a good lineup, but their success to me lies primarily on what they get out of their starters if/when they return. It didn’t stop them this postseason, but they are also losing Montgomery. Not many teams can say they have the greatest per game pitcher of last decade due back midseason, and another of the top 3-5 due back shortly before. Will it work out? Who knows. But to me their team is mostly contigent on all their arms returning.
Not only are they banking on their arms to be healthy, they’re banking on them not falling off the cliff due to age. Scherzer is pushing 40, Degrom is 35. Sure they’ve been among the GOATs for a very long time, but father time consumes us all.
Last year the Mariners put out a 109 wRC+ as a team offense. That’s with the stank of Kolten Wong, AJ Pollock, and Tommy La Stella getting more than zero PAs in the first half. They got rid of those guys, and added Polanco, Garver, Raley, and Urias.
That’s hardly the replacing that’s gone on. The stank of last off-season, Wong/Pollock/LaStella/and you forgot the other belly flop, Hummel, was refreshed in-season by Moore(from IL)/Caballero(from out of nowhere)/Ford/ Rojas/Marlowe. The guys being replaced by Polanco/Urias/Garver/Raley/Haniger/Zavala are Suarez/Caballero/Ford/Kelenic/Hernandez/Murphy. If Garver and Polanco are nice upgrades, Haniger and Zavala are clear downgrades. Seems like pretty much a wash to me.
As a Rangers fan, watching Garver pummel us while healthy in the first half will be a painful reminder of what we just enjoyed.
“The AL East has four of the top ten teams in MLB. And also the Red Sox*.”
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*who aren’t “bad” but aren’t “great” either…
I don’t think the Giants are done. You could make the argument that any of Snell, Montgomery, or Chapman would fit a need. Probably a pitcher would make the most sense. Signing Montgomery or Snell would probably only put them somewhere in behind the D-Backs and Phillies and just ahead of the Padres / Mets / Marlins / Cubs pileup.
Speaking of Montgomery the Rangers really should sign him. Not only was he essential to the playoffs, but they could really use his help in advancing through the first part of the season. I think the projections are a little too bearish on them here but they are one starting pitcher injury away from screwed if it happens early.
With Montgomery I would give them a fairly even shot with Houston to win the division
They need another starter who has some track record of success ready to go at the start of the year. Their whole rotation is full of injury question marks or performance question marks–if they have even a small amount of bad luck on injuries they could be running out a rotation filled with AAA-level pitchers.
I don’t know who that pitcher is, but I cannot imagine relying on Eovaldi, Gray, and Heaney to stay healthy and to get #5 starter-level innings from Dunning and Bradford.
That 15% haircut from the TV deal has hit TEX at a really bad time, otherwise I expect Monty would have a contract here already
Fun article. It’s interesting to me that the worst teams (Rockies, Nats) are projected to lose more games than the best teams (Braves, Dodgers) would win. Is it typically the case that bad teams project to do worse than good teams project to do well? And if so, is that a function of more needing to “go right” for a bad team’s talent level and expected performance to improve than needs to “go wrong” (e.g., injury) for a good team’s talent level and expected performance to drop? Put another way, is success more volatile than failure here?
Somebody used the Nats as an example for rents in a meeting this morning, and man, you do not want to be an example for rent extraction.
I think that in general it’s easier for bad teams to be bad than it is for good teams to be good. Probably has to do with an unequal distribution of talent if I had to guess. Bad teams that are bottoming out don’t have a lot of competition in doing so, whereas most of the league is at least trying to compete.
Probably, since it’s a lot more likely for a good player to miss most of the season to a sudden injury than for a mediocre player to suddenly develop into an All-Star.
Well, here’s to hoping the Mariners will 54% of their games in perpetuity! Here, here! 87 wins and the last team not to make the playoffs now the sun burns out! [clinks glass]
God mariners fans are insufferable
So glad I root for an east team
I’ve found east fans are at least as insufferable if not more.
I got the sarcasm and laughed.
Considering there is a maximum of 6 teams that could have a more than 50% chance to win their division (6 divisions), I feel like saying they’re one of only four teams seems to overstate the accomplishment.
There’s still time for the Giants to sign some free agents. The 40-man is currently full, but won’t be for much longer. Hoping for some activity around the time Ray & Cobb can be moved to the 60-day IL (next week).
Where are you getting a $50M drop in payroll for the Giants?
Even RosterResource has the Giants at an estimated 199M for CBT purposes, which is only ~20M lower than 2023.
Huge Braves homer here. If someone gave me 70-1 odds that the Braves miss the playoffs, I’m putting $10 down on that.
Easiest 14 cents you ever made.
When winning a bet earns you a lower ROR than even a shitty savings account…
It’s not quite there yet, but accountant extraordinaire Kevin Malone taught me that if anyone offers you 100:1 odds on anything, you take that bet.
Would it be fair to say that these odds do a good job at estimating the probability that the Rangers make the playoffs but probably underestimate how well they are likely to do if they do make it?
If you believe that you’re getting HoF versions of DeGrom and Scherzer in Sept, then sure. I am more skeptical about the assumption that any return from them will see them in peak form. And they need more from those two than the Dodgers need from Kershaw (another guy I’m not sure I’d count on for rotation stability)
I thought the use of the word “when” to refer to their return was a tad optimistic. These aren’t 23 year olds coming back from a left knee sprain.
Are the Rays projections still including Franco? Because it doesn’t seem like that’s happening.
Depths Charts does not show him having any share of any playing time.
I see two elite teams: Braves, Dodgers, and a handful of very good teams (Astros, Yankees, Orioles, Twins, Padres). Just to say I think the Braves and Dodgers are on a tier of their own.
Yeah I agree with the top two for sure. Maybe they’re 1a, then the Yankees and astros are 1b/2. But I do think HOU and NYY are ahead of the fray behind them.
If I were to rank the teams, I’d put the Braves first, Dodgers, second, and then six or seven teams drawn from the AL East and AL West in some order. It’s stunning how deep those two divisions are.
Agree with this. Fortunately for the AL West good teams they do get lots of good games against the Angels and Oakland whereas there is nowhere to hide in the East
A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN?!!??!?!?!
I went to the coolstandings.com page, which is forever locked in 2013, a season in which the Tigers, A’s and Pirates made the playoffs, all with at least 93 wins.And don’t forget the Astros lost 111 times that season. Who knows what we’ll marvel at, looking back at 2024 from the not-so-distant future?
2034 is gonna pop off for the 6 remaining A’s fans!
I think it’s amusing that the Rockies and the Nationals have already been eliminated from the division race. Even the Athletics supposedly still have a slight chance at the division crown, although their division favorite isn’t quite as good as the Dodgers or Braves.
Interesting that the A’s have the best projection of the four divisional sin-eaters. Looks like ZiPS DC thinks that they aren’t bailing on any position; they get at least 1.0 WAR from every spot except DH, even though the only positions where they’re the best even among the Dismal Quartet are 2B (Zack Gelof) and RF (barely). And ZiPS DC does not like the White Sox bullpen.
Ben highlights the Rays specifically for their depth (and I agree with him on this point!), but I think the O’s are likely to benefit from the same phenomenon. On the offensive side, they almost have enough talent to put together two lineups of ~2+ WAR talent, even after the Burnes trade:
I’m ignoring C and DH for now, and admittedly some of these (Mateo and Stowers) are a stretch for 2 WAR. However, this also ignores positional flexibility allowing them to plug in the better reserves first. They’re deep.
The pitching side is less deep, but I’d argue the rotation goes at least 7 long (Burnes, Bradish, G-Rod, Means, Kremer, Wells, Irvin) before you start hitting more questionable and/or unproven options (McDermott, Povich, Zimmermann). Bullpens are fluky enough to ignore for now, but the FO has shown a talent for uncovering hidden gems there too.
TL;DR – Even taking the projections as gospel (and there’s no reason to think O’s players are more or less likely than any other team’s to outperform them), I’d take the over on the Orioles projected win total here. I think the Rays, O’s, and Yankees all belong in a roughly similar tier at the top of the division and arguably the AL.
Seeing this bullish projection for the Mariners – 3rd best team in the AL? Really? – makes it all the more disheartening that Dipoto was forced to re-tool the roster while clearing 2025/2026 commitments and remaining more/less payroll neutral 2023-2024.
The city of SF stinks. Stick to sports.
Yet another dismissal of the Orioles – and I’m not a fan – get ready for Baltimore to win 100 games again….
Atlanta Braves are still a better team than the “Super Team” Dodgers. Too many people just follow the narrative that “everybody knows the Dodgers are incredible” How about looking at their actual roster ? They are an excellent team with a shot to win the World Series. Agreed. a “Super Team” they are not. The rotation includes James Paxton and Emmett Sheehan. And a big injury risk in Glasnow. If he stays healthy Glasnow is indeed an elite pitcher. Yamamoto looks like the real deal and Miller is very good. That is a darn good rotation but not “super” Then in the lineup they have not one, not 2, not 3 but FOUR hitters who can’t hit lefties and their platoon partners are Miguel Rojas, Austin Barnes, Manny Margot and Chris Taylor. The top 3 are fantastic hitters…no argument there. Betts-Freeman-Ohtani. Will Smith is a very good catcher. Put it all together and it is very good but not as good as Atlanta. The Dodgers are excellent. Yup. The Dodgers are far from a Super team.
Plenty of what if’s in ATL and for every team. Not sure there’s much value in splitting hairs in the pre-season when we’ve got 162 games to see how it plays out, but it’s not like anyone’s making the argument that the Braves are scrappy underdogs.
Not related to this article but Philly and Arizona hit more HRs in the NLDS last year than both of their opponents scored runs, 11-7 and 9-6 respectively.
Ah, I see we’re gearing up to be wrong again about the Orioles.
You can’t just chalk the Yankees struggles with injuries in 2023 to bad luck. Take Rizzo for example. It was unfortunate that Tatis ran into him in the wrong way, but if your 1B is just totally off and playing like one of the worst hitters in baseball for months at a time and you don’t notice something is wrong or you don’t try to find out what it is, that’s a failure. It’s not an isolated incident, either. Trevino struggled massively at the plate last year because they just let him play injured. German’s mental health was allowed to fall apart to the point that he was showing up to the park wasted.
They’re just terrible at managing injuries. They don’t acquire guys with good health, they don’t diagnose injuries, they don’t treat them well once they’ve occurred, and they don’t take important steps to prevent them (Clarke Schmidt massive IP increase). The injury “luck” isn’t going to change drastically overnight.
If you want to talk about luck, talk about their BABIP. Seriously, talk about it. It was historically low in 2023 for no reason other than that the team was pretty slow, and somehow I never see it mentioned.
Texas is going to make a fun playoff race after the all-star break, which they will probably go into with a losing record. Good for baseball.