Sunday Notes: Let’s Talk About Underrated 2023 Orioles
The Baltimore Orioles have the best record in the American League, and youthful talent is a big reason why. Gunnar Henderson is the odds-on favorite to capture Rookie-of-the-Year honors, while Adley Rutschman has already reached star status in just his second MLB season. The dynamic duo are the first-place team’s co-leaders in WAR.
They aren’t the only players making an impact. The well-balanced Mike Elias-constructed club has also received meaningful contributions from the likes of Anthony Santander, Ryan Mountcastle, and Austin Hays. On the pitching side, a mix of veterans and less-established arms have more than held their own, in some cases outperforming expectations. From the better-known to the lesser-known, a multitude of players have played important roles in the 90-wins-and-counting success.
With that in mind, who has been the most-underrated player on the 2023 Orioles? I asked that question to four people who see the squad on an everyday basis — two broadcasters and a pair of beat writers — prior to yesterday’s game at Fenway Park.
Nathan Ruiz, who covers the team for the Baltimore Sun, chose Danny Coulombe.
“A lot was made of the All-Star combo of Yennier Cano and Felix Bautista, but Coulombe has come in and kind of been that main left-handed reliever all season,” said Ruiz. “He’s been really good with inherited runners, which is something they have generally struggled with. Cionel Pérez was really good for them last year, but they felt they needed another lefty so they acquired him [from the Minnesota Twins] for cash around the cusp of the season and he became a solid piece for them right away. He’s been dependable at the back end of the bullpen.”
Melanie Newman went with Kyle Bradish.
“He’s got an ERA that’s sitting there with Gerrit Cole right now,” the Orioles broadcaster opined. “We all talk about Yennier Cano and Felix Bautista, and our back end — what they’ve been able to do so far — but Kyle has been consistent. For whatever reason, when we’re on the road in a big spot, those are his best moments. That’s what you want out of a guy, and you forget that he’s only in his second year. His breaking pitches are disgusting. I don’t think he gets enough credit.”
Danielle Allentuck opted for Ryan O’Hearn.
“He has kind of been the guy who, whenever they need the big hit — he’s either coming off the bench or already in the lineup — has been providing it,” the Baltimore Banner reporter told me. “He’s been that kind of spark for them. He’s turning his career around here. We’re talking underrated, and I don’t think a lot of people know about him. He’s not the big name. He wasn’t a big superstar, but he’s come here and turned things around for himself, and the team.”
Geoff Arnold agreed with Allentuck.
“The most underrated Oriole for me would be Ryan O’Hearn,” the Baltimore broadcaster said. “The Orioles got him from Kansas City, and our hitting coaches have done a really good job with him, tweaking a couple of things in his swing. He’s a guy that has always hit the ball hard, but this year he’s hitting it in the right spot; he’s hitting it in the air more. I’ve also been impressed with how he’s played first base defensively. He’s handled himself really well around the bag. I think you actually have to put him in there as a candidate for most valuable Oriole this year.”
O’Hearn is slashing .305/.388/.509 with 12 home runs and 129 wRC+ in 293 plate appearances. Bradish is 11-6 with a 3.03 ERA over 26 starts. Coulombe is 5-1 with two saves and a 2.42 ERA over 53 relief appearances.
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My July 9 Sunday Notes column included the recounting of a play that occurred two weeks prior, one in which O’Hearn reached second base on what would have been defensive indifference, only to turn around and begin jogging back to first base. Realizing what had actually happened — Adam Frazier swung and missed — he quickly reversed course and was safe at second only because Cincinnati closer Alexis Díaz, who’d been tossed the ball by the catcher, made an errant throw. Had the toss been on target, O’Hearn would have been out by a wide margin, ending the game.
I asked the veteran first baseman about the play on Friday.
”I thought Fraze fouled the ball off,” explained O’Hearn. “I turned around and asked the umpire ‘Hey, foul ball?’ and saw him nod his head yes. He didn’t say anything, nor did he look at me, but I thought he meant the ball was foul, so I started jogging back.”
The official scorer charged Díaz with a throwing error and gave O’Hearn a caught-stealing. Had he awarded a stolen base, it would have been the first of the 6-foot-2, 220-pound slugger’s six-year big-league career.
O’Hearn has subsequently summoned his inner Rickey Henderson and now has four steals to his credit. He also has a caught-stealing on a play where he was safe.
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RANDOM HITTER-PITCHER MATCHUPS
Giancarlo Stanton is 8 for 13 against Dallas Keuchel.
Brady Anderson went 0 for 16 against Mike Stanton.
Leroy Stanton went 11 for 22 against Fritz Peterson.
Joel Youngblood went 10 for 15 against Jim Kaat.
Jimmy Bloodworth went 2 for 12 against Vic Lombardi.
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The Twins have faced every MLB team this season with the exception of the Cincinnati Reds, Colorado Rockies, and New York Mets. Which of them has Rocco Baldelli been most impressed with? I asked that question to the Minnesota manager earlier this week.
“Well, I’ll say this,” Baldelli replied. “The Atlanta Braves made an impression when we played them. No manager likes to sit around and talk out loud about other clubs, but when you’re complimenting another club and don’t really have any hesitation doing it, you can let it fly. The Atlanta Braves set a tone in the series, the style we saw them out there playing… I mean, what they were doing at that moment in time, and really throughout the whole season, is pretty special. There is no denying what their lineup is doing on a daily basis. We got a chance to see it firsthand. I don’t think what we saw was a mirage.”
The Braves swept the three-game home series against the Twins in late June, leaving the yard eight times while outscoring Baldelli’s team 13-3. Along with boasting baseball’s best record at 92-49, Atlanta has bashed 273 home runs, by far the most in the majors.
“You get three games against these teams — the teams you’re only to catch once in awhile — so it’s not going to give you a full Encyclopedia Britannica of everything they have to offer,” said Baldelli. “But you do get a snapshot. There are many good clubs out there, and we have no idea who is going to take home a trophy this year — it could be any number of clubs — but of all the ones we’ve played this year, the one that has stuck out is the Braves.”
While Baldelli didn’t enjoy what he saw on the field, he did enjoy the snapshot itself. Getting to see every team on a yearly basis is to his liking.
“You get a good idea of what’s out there with the new schedule,” said Baldelli. “I feel like the new baseball schedule is more of a real baseball schedule. You don’t run into the same teams over and over again, and not see certain players for half a decade.”
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A quiz:
Max Scherzer has been credited with 140 wins since the start of the 2014 season. Which pitcher has been tagged with the most losses over that span?
The answer can be found below.
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NEWS NOTES
SABR announced the five finalists for the 2023 Dorothy Seymour Mills Lifetime Achievement Award, which honors individuals who have made important contributions promoting the participation of women in baseball. More information can be found here.
The Atlanta Braves officially retired Andruw Jones’s No.25 prior to last night’s game. A native of Curaça, Jones played with the Braves from 1996-2007 in a 17-year career that saw capture 10 Gold Gloves and crush 434 home runs while logging a 111 wRC+ and 67 WAR.
Jerry Turner, an outfielder who played for three teams — primarily the San Diego Padres — from 1974-1983, died late last month at age 69 (per Baseball Player Passings). He batted .257/.319/.387 with 45 home runs in 1931 plate appearances.
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The answer to the quiz is Patrick Corbin with 100 losses.
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David Fry made news on Monday when he became the first true position player to throw as many as four innings in a game since José Oquendo did so for the St. Louis Cardinals in 1986. Oquendo’s outing came in a contest that took 19 innings to complete, whereas Fry’s effort came in a nine-inning affair that saw the Cleveland Guardians get thumped 20-6 by the Minnesota Twins. A utility player who had taken the mound once previously, Fry allowed seven runs in his four save-the-bullpen frames.
It wasn’t the longest position player mound appearance in Cleveland franchise history. That distinction belongs to Milt Galatzer, a left-handed throwing outfielder who worked six innings in a 14-1 loss to the Washington Senators on August 26, 1936. Galatzer played 15 professional seasons, including five in the big leagues, and took the mound just that one time. He allowed three runs.
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Cleveland’s 20-6 loss on Monday was followed by another defeat on Tuesday, leaving the Guardians seven games behind their AL Central rivals with just 23 left to play. At 66-73, the defending divisional champions were, and still are, facing long odds to return to the postseason. Chris Antonetti pinch-hit for manager Terry Francona in Wednesday’s pregame media session, and I asked the President of Baseball Operations if he could assess the club’s season to date. He demurred. Antonetti said that the subject can be addressed once the campaign has been completed.
Longtime Cleveland beat writer Paul Hoynes proceeded to ask Antonetti about the team’s lack of power. More to the point, he asked how the problem could be corrected.
“The problem isn’t power,” Antonetti replied. “The problem is that we need to score more runs. Last year, without hitting for enough power, we did a good enough job scoring runs; we were more in the middle of the pack. This year we haven’t scored enough runs. And there are different ways to do that. It’s not always power. I do think you can just throw a blanket on things and say, ‘This is what’s happening.’ We try to look at it more on an individual level. There are different ways more guys can contribute and help us score runs.”
The Guardians went into that afternoon’s game with 106 home runs as a team, the fewest in either league. Their 566 runs scored were the third fewest.
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FOREIGN AFFAIRS
Yoshinobu Yamamoto threw his second career no-hitter this week and is now 14-5 with a 1.26 ERA on the year. The 25-year-old Orix Buffaloes right-hander is 47-15 with a 1.46 ERA against NPB competition since the start of the 2021 season.
Roki Sasaki was on the mound last night for the first time in seven weeks following an oblique injury. The 21-year-old Chiba Lotte Marines righty reportedly topped out at 100 mph while allowing one run and fanning two over three innings.
Katsuki Azuma is 13-2 with a 2.11 ERA for NPB’s Yokohama DeNa BayStars. The 27-year-old left-hander has wins in each of his last 10 decisions.
Shoki Murakami is 10-5 with a 1.76 ERA for NPB’s Hanshin Tigers. The 25-year-old right-hander has 131 strikeouts and 82 hits allowed in 133 innings.
Tanner Tully is 3-0 with a 2.37 ERA in 30-and—third innings with the NC Dinos. The 28-year-old left-hander signed with the KBO club after being released by the New York Yankees in early August. Tulley made his MLB debut with the Cleveland Guardians last year and appeared in three games.
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Which of Zac Gallen, Justin Steele, Spencer Strider, and Zack Wheeler is most deserving of this year’s Cy Young award? I asked that question in a Twitter poll earlier this week and, somewhat surprisingly, the pitcher with MLB’s highest WAR finished dead last.
The results were: Strider 46.3%, Steele 31.9%, Gallen 13.4%, Wheeler 8.3%.
Strider is 16-5 with a 3.83 ERA, a 2.89 FIP, a 13.89 K/9, and 4.7 WAR.
Steele is 16-3 with a 2.55 ERA, a 2.98 FIP, a 9.06 K/9, and 4.3 WAR.
Gallen is 14-7 with a 3.48 ERA, a 3.32 FIP, a 9.37 K/9, and 4.3 WAR.
Wheeler is 11-6 with a 3.49 ERA, a 2.93 FIP, a 10.16 K/9. and 5.7 WAR.
This year’s voting promises to be interesting. How the four perform in their final starts — and they aren’t necessarily the only Cy contenders — will likely go a long way in determining the winner.
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Zack Greinke has 66.0 WAR, and his bona fides include 2,962 strikeouts, six Gold Gloves, six All-Star berths, and a Cy Young award. There is a good chance that he will one day be elected to the Hall of Fame. If it happens, will he have had the worst-ever season for a pitcher enshrined in Cooperstown? With his 2023 campaign winding down, the Kansas City Royals right-hander is 1-14 with a 5.34 ERA and 84 ERA+ over 123 innings.
According to esteemed colleague Jay Jaffe, it depends on the parameters. If you’re just going on winning percentage, Greinke’s current .067 would be the worst when going with a 10-decision minimum. Robin Roberts went 1-10 (.091) in 1961.
If you go by ERA, Grienke’s season is nowhere close to the worst. Jay pointed out that there are 47 seasons by Hall of Famers with an 84 ERA+or worse in 120 innings or more,
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FARM NOTES
Chandler Simpson has 94 stolen bases in 109 attempts, the most in the minors for each category. The 22-year-old outfielder in the Tampa Bay Rays organization is slashing .294.372/.346 with a 107 wRC+ between Low-A Charleston and High-A Bowling Green. He has yet to go deep.
Hogan Windish has a Northwest League-best 22 home runs. The 24-year-old infielder in the Seattle Mariners system is slashing .270/.371/.509 with a 136 wRC+ for the High-A Everett AquaSox.
Tyler Black is slashing .267/.404/.486 with a 135 wRC+ between Double-A Biloxi and Triple-A Nashville. The 23-year-old infielder in the Milwaukee Brewers system has 21 doubles, 10 triples, 16 home runs, and 53 stolen bases.
Termarr Johnson has 84 hits and 100 walks. The 19-year-old infielder in the Pittsburgh Pirates organization is slashing .243/.421/.442 with 18 home runs and a 142 wRC+ between Low-A Bradenton and High-A Greensboro.
Drew Thorpe has 182 strikeouts, the most in the minors. The 22-year-old right-hander in the New York Yankees system is 14-2 with a 2.52 ERA and a 3.05 FIP in 139-and-a-third innings between High-A Hudson Valley and Double-A Somerset.
Zach Agnos has 26 saves, the most in the minors. The 23-year-old right-hander in the Colorado Rockies system has a 2.10 ERA, a 3.51 FIP, and 66 strikeouts in 51-and-a-third innings for Low-A Fresno.
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Freddie Freeman is putting up big numbers this season — what else is new? — and they include an MLB-best doubles total. One year after topping the senior circuit with 47, and with three weeks left in the current campaign, the Los Angeles Dodgers first baseman has banged out 53 two-baggers. That is a franchise record, the long-forgotten Johnny Frederick having hit 52 in his 1929 rookie season.
“It’s amazing,” LA manager Dave Roberts said of Freeman’s production at the end of August. “And it’s not easy. You don’t just pencil it in to the back of the baseball card. It takes a lot of work. His preparation. His mindset. He’s relentless. I know the [single-season] record is 67 [by Earl Webb in 1931]. He’s putting together one of his best seasons ever.”
Freeman, who boasts a .335/.413/.573 slash line and a 165 wRC+ on the season, has 468 career doubles. None of the 90 players in front of him on the all-time list has fewer plate appearances.
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LINKS YOU’LL LIKE
As cable TV dies, fans struggle to follow their favorite teams. Bill Shaikin addressed the issue at The Los Angeles Times.
Sports Illustrated’s Stephanie Apstein believes that Bruce Bochy’s levelheaded demeanor is just what the slumping Rangers need.
The Athletic’s Stephen J. Nesbitt and Cody Stavenhagen teamed up to write about the 2003 Detroit Tigers, who went a woeful 43-119. (Subscription required).
Also at The Athletic, Jayson Stark explained how Tampa Bay Rays right-hander Robert Stephenson threw an immaculate inning in which he walked a batter and stranded two runners.
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RANDOM FACTS AND STATS
Notable in yesterday’s 13-12 Orioles win over the Red Sox at Fenway Park is that it was the first time since June 3, 1930 that a team had won a nine-inning game while allowing 23 or more hits (per @SLangsOnSports). The nearly-a-century-ago contest was an 11-10 St. Louis Cardinals win over the Philadelphia Phillies in which two Cardinals hurlers combined to allow 23 hits. The winning pitcher, Syl Johnson, surrendered 20 of them over eight-and-a-third innings.
Josiah Gray has allowed 19 home runs and issued 75 walks. George Kirby has allowed 19 home runs and issued 16 walks.
Cleveland’s Addie Joss walked 30 batters in 325 innings in 1908. Cleveland’s Bob Feller walked 208 batters in 277-and-two-third innings in 1938.
Jordan Lawlar slashed .423/.506/.761 against lefties in the minors this year. The 21-year-old Arizona Diamondbacks infielder got his first big-league call-up on Wednesday. (Per D-Backs beat writer Jesse Friedman.)
Eugenio Suárez had 49 home runs and 189 strikeouts in 2019.
Ted Kluszewski had 49 home runs and 35 strikeouts in 1954.
The Chicago White Sox swept a Sunday doubleheader from the Detroit Tigers on today’s date in 1967, winning by scores of 6-0 and 4-0. Joe Horlen, who finished the season 19-7 with a league-best 2.06 ERA, threw a no-hitter in the opener. Cisco Carlos recorded the first of his 11 career wins in the nightcap.
On today’s date in 1988, Ruben Sierra hit a walk-off double in the 17th inning to give the Texas Rangers a 3-2 win over the California Angels. The Rangers had earlier been down to their last out when Jim Sundberg knotted the game at 2-2 with a ninth inning home run.
Players born on today’s date include Mike Saipe, whose big-league career totaled two pitching appearances comprising 10 innings with the Colorado Rockies in 1998. The right-hander surrendered five home runs, including two to David Segui and one each to Hall of Famers Craig Biggio, Ken Griffey Jr, and Edgar Martinez.
Also born on today’s date was Randy Wiles, a southpaw whose career record includes both a win and a loss despite his having thrown just two-and-two-thirds innings over five appearances with the Chicago White Sox in 1977. Wiles got a win when Lamar Johnson hit a walk-off home run against the Mariners, and a loss when he surrendered a walk-off gopher to the Yankees’ Chris Chambliss.
David Laurila grew up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and now writes about baseball from his home in Cambridge, Mass. He authored the Prospectus Q&A series at Baseball Prospectus from December 2006-May 2011 before being claimed off waivers by FanGraphs. He can be followed on Twitter @DavidLaurilaQA.
“…a walk-off gopher to the Yankees’ Chris Chambliss.”
(Sigh.) David, this might be the worst column ending since 1976… and you basically live a (PED-assisted 😉 longball from Fenway?
I look forward to your column but this one all but triggered a childhood flashback to heartbreak.
I might have to re-watch Brett vs. Gossage in ‘80 & Johnny Damon in ‘04 going third deck in the house that Ruth built to re-set my psyche & get through the week!
Pffft, that ending barely put a Dent in my Sox-loving psyche. I’d have to give the Chambliss dinger a Grady Little bit behind both B.F.D. and any discussion of the Bronx Bombers current manager as a player.
I hear ya’, but realize I only became a Sox fan as a kid because “the enemy of my enemy was a friend!”
(although the influence of cousins in Maine contributed some, too!)
Has Freeman reached surefire HoF status already? He’s not too old and clearly isn’t showing any signs of aging yet anyway (actually just keeps getting better somehow), but a lot of his standard counting numbers aren’t “Hall worthy” for some and it makes me wonder.
I think he has, kind of like Goldschmidt did with his 2022 season. (fun side note, Freeman and Goldy are each others’ “most similar” players on Baseball Reference).
Looking at his bb-ref page, he’s already a likely HoFer using the Bill James metrics (black/gray ink, monitor and standards), and even if he doesn’t keep his career BA over .300 he’s already cleared the 300 HR/1000 run/1000 RBI counts in his career. Tack on his solid postseason performance (and yes the WS ring) as well as the top 100 doubles status and being a well-liked guy, and I think he’s in great shape even without the WAR/JAWS type modern metrics.
And it probably doesn’t hurt that the Crime Dog got voted into the Hall with a similar career arc of steady All-Star level performance.
He has already topped Helton’s career fWAR and Helton looks like he’s going to get in, so I think Freeman gets it.
Personally he wouldn’t be a slam dunk for me if he retired today but it seems inevitable he is going to beat whatever my standard would be at first base. He’s going to put up a 7+ win season at 33 and he is extremely durable and never takes games off. He has something like 4 more years on his deal and I think it is extremely likely by the time that contract is done he surpasses Eddie Murray and Frank Thomas on the fWAR leaderboards, and I haven’t met anyone who thinks they shouldn’t be in.
I’d say so, barring a scandal or totally unexpected collapse. If he fell apart like Andruw Jones did..I mean to the point where he was not playable within 1-2 years, by 2025 or something, he may struggle to get in or have to wait until the VC to get in.
But, that is VERY unlikely. He’s getting better not worse..even if he just repeated his worst full season (2012, 113 OPS+, 2.4 r WAR) for 2-3 years, he would end up over 2500 hits, close to 400 HR, the WAR would be over 60 & he’s got the peak already.
& I think if he suffered a sudden career ending injury, he would get the Kirby Puckett “what could have been” treatment & get in.
I’d say that he’s firmly “on track,” but not “surefire.” He’s a very good candidate to make the Hall **assuming a normal decline.**
He has not yet reached the Miguel Cabrera/Mike Trout territory of being an obvious future Hall of Famer irrespective of any further decline.
Antonetti is technically correct but since home runs are the fastest way to score a run, not having much in the way of home run hitters means you’re dependent on stringing together balls in play.
The more subtle question to ask Antonetti is why he isn’t willing to try finding players who strike out more but also have some power. I suspect the answer is because the don’t know how to develop them and because they are more expensive in free agency and trade.
I’ve beaten this dead horse before, but that offense from last year that he seems so nostalgic for got to the middle of the pack in runs scored and wRC+ by hitting the ball as softly as possible. They had the lowest Hard% and Barrel% in MLB, and by a pretty significant amount. His mistake is in thinking that is sustainable. You aren’t going to be able to string together a bunch of 70 foot singles right before Jose Ramirez comes to the plate every year.
They are again last in the league in both those metrics and I would say the results are more in line with what you expect from that sort of offense.
It’s too bad FG doesn’t have team-wide xwOBA so we could easily compare it to other teams and the gaps between wRC+ and xwOBA. But if you look at the Guardians’ numbers they got 1750ish PAs out of Gimenez, Ramirez, and Kwan who dramatically overperformed their xwOBAs, and they didn’t have any notable underperformers. And this year, they’re right in line with the x-stats.
Another thought might be that speed is the new power if one includes base running and ISO as one weapon. If BABIP is similar to the 1980s and your batters draw average BB, run bases and never strike out, an excellent offense could be cheaply built without power. Speedy players are more likely not to be terrible defenders, although it can happen
Since the world began, good offensive teams have had a few bangers in the middle of their order. I guess it is nice to be like Atlanta and have HR power 1-9, but if you don’t at least have a few. But any team without power better have lights out pitching, and win a lot of 2-1 games. Dodgers won the WS like that back in the day what once? Without genuine power in the middle of the order you have developed a huge hill to climb.
I mean. They did okay with developing guys like Naylor, Jesus Aguilar, Carlos Santana, a couple others.
I think the actual answer is a combination of:
A) an ownership directive, because home runs are still highly valued in arbitration, and the Dolans are cheap MFs.
B) The team had success developing guys like Ramirez and Lindor, and tried to lean into that archetype instead of realizing those guys are generational players. They under-drafted power hitters in favor of soft line drive guys like Kwan, hoping they’d grow into more power.
and C) failures with guys like Jake Bauers and Bradley Zimmer made them gun-shy.
If the Guardians fans and press feel the simple answer is to add power, be careful for what you wish for, look at the Angels. They’re among the leaders in HR’s. Their philosophy is to favor anyone who can hit 5-10 HRs over those that don’t, and to hell with fielding and baserunning. At least with the Guardians opposing players and managers still say they play the game “the right way”. Nobody has said that about the Angels for a long time. So I’d recommend patience and add power as it fits.
As a cleveland fan, I want the team to obtain players that hit the ball hard. It doesn’t have to be home runs, but as someone mentioned above, they have been last in the league in barrel % and hard hit % by a wide margin. That is not the recipe for runs, especially when they are not a particularly patient hitting team either.
Highly unlikely and call me crazy, but Cleveland would be a perfect fit for Ohtani. They need the power, he needs to be surrounded by a strong pitching staff and good D. The division is weak and for the taking. If you were to name an MLB team that plays the most “Japanese style” of play the Guardians are right up there.
Except that the Guardians are part of the reason the division is weak. It would be different if they were head and shoulders above the pack like in the 1990s
If finances aren’t considered then virtually every team is a perfect fit for Ohtani. The only teams that might not be a perfect fit are teams where the DH is about a good a hitter as Ohtani, a list which consists of (1) the Astros and (2) the mid-1990s Mariners*.
If finances are considered then the Guardians are a terrible fit.
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*and the David Ortiz-led Red Sox, and Cleveland for like 3 years when Travis Hafner played for them, it’s not a big list
Yeah but Ohtani’s a huge fan of Jose Ramirez so he’s going to give Cleveland a huge discount to play with Jose. You heard it here first. 🙂
You aren’t wrong, but baseball wise, Ohtani makes sense for every team in the league at almost any price. I think the defense is less important since he strikes out more than 11 per 9, but pitching depth is probably good to keep him fresher since he plays more than other pitchers. Every team could use his power. He’s the best DH in the league by more than 2 wins and one of the best hitters in the game, period.
But the biggest contract Cleveland has ever given out is J-Ram’s 5/$124 and even if teams get a discount for the probable upcoming TJS, they would probably need to double the years and triple the overall value from that.
I guessed Greinke for most losses. The correct answer never occurred to me
Kyle Gibson is #2. Bumgarner and Gausman are tied for #3. Amazingly, Greinke is 13th.
What’s really impressive is that Corbin has five more losses than Gibson and 240 fewer innings pitched. It’s difficult to find someone who keeps getting run out there despite losing so much, but Corbin has been bad lately and has played for some bad teams.
On a rate basis (of guys who have actually pitched a lot, like, minimum 500 innings), I think you might have to hand it to Brad Keller. 53 losses in 677 innings pitched is even worse than Corbin.
I suspect Royals think he’s Mitch Keller
Kyle Gibson being 7th in wins and 4th in innings definitely surprised the hell out of me. The top six in innings are four future hall of famers (Greinke included to me), another very possible hall of famer (Cole), and Gibson.
You have to go down to #23 Wade Miley to find someone with lower career WAR (and even then it’s 0.7 lower).
For wins, you have to go down to #27 Michael Wacha.
I also guessed Greinke. He is surprisingly low on the list (13th) considering how much he has pitched (3rd in starts) and that nearly 6 of those years were for bad Arizona and KC teams.
Me too! And now I feel much better. I’m sure we’re all a little guilty of recency bias.
I guessed Greinke, too. Probably recency bias with how this year has gone.
I thought of Gibson…totally biffed on Corbin..Surprised Bumgarner & Gausman are that high. Gausman doesn’t seem like he’s been around that long..& Bumgarner feels like he’s been gone a few years..though he pitched until this year.
This feels like a set up for this week’s power rankings where the Orioles will be dropped a tier from “solid contenders” to “the melee”.
The Mariners will be moved to the top and have a new tier “Lords of October” created just for them