The Particular Upside of Robbie Ross
Toward the end of the day on Tuesday, the Boston Red Sox and Texas Rangers swapped Anthony Ranaudo and Robbie Ross. It doesn’t immediately seem like a trade of much consequence: Ranaudo’s a prospect with diminishing sheen, and Ross is coming off a pretty ugly experience as an attempted big-league starter. And, probably, it won’t be a trade of much consequence. Ranaudo seems like, if he’ll be anything, he’ll be a decent reliever. And Ross has looked like a lefty reliever who doesn’t do a great job of getting lefties out.
But — well, let me start with this. I’m about to focus on one side of this trade. I’ve heard all you guys complaining that we post too much content about the Red Sox. I understand where you’re coming from, and this isn’t going to make things better. But this isn’t about fitting into a pattern; I just find Ross to be more interesting, statistically, than I do Ranaudo. Ranaudo’s all scouting. Visual learners are going to like to talk about him. Me? I want to share something about Ross’ 2014 — something that might make him better than he seems.
As far as Ranaudo is concerned — so we can at least address that part — Kiley put him 13th in the Boston system. The caption:
Ranaudo was yet another former first rounder and while the 6’7/230 monster has cleaned up his delivery some and still flashed a plus fastball-curveball combo, the changeup and command still lag behind, making a relief fit likely.
Ranaudo was bad in his debut in the majors. Didn’t strike anyone out. Gave up too much contact and too many dingers. He wasn’t particularly impressive in Triple-A, either. At 25, it’s not like he’s a kid with plenty of time. He’s huge and he has a power arm, which gives him obvious upside, and maybe the Rangers will be able to make things click. Guys like this always get chances. But Ranaudo probably isn’t a long-term starter. He might be able to help in the bullpen in 2015.
Let’s move to Ross. When he’s been good in the majors in the past, he’s been a reliever. With the Red Sox, at least for the moment, it seems like he’s a reliever. Even though he started in the majors a dozen times last year, he had a rather hard go of it. He posted an ERA near 6.00, and his strikeouts failed to at least double his walks. Ross himself would probably tell you the transition could’ve been a lot smoother. He’d probably tell you he didn’t do enough as a starter to stick.
Hold there for a moment. As a starter, Ross didn’t miss that many bats. His walk rate was worse than average, but, interestingly, he had a top-10 zone rate. That’s not the kind of thing you’d expect, so that calls for a deeper investigation. I decided to go back to my homemade pitch-framing stat.
A quick review, for anyone who hasn’t already read this paragraph in other posts: It’s possible, with data we have here, to calculate a pitcher’s expected total number of strikes. That’s pitches in the PITCHf/x strike zone, plus swings at pitches out of the zone. By comparing that number to a pitcher’s actual number of strikes, you can get some sense of who did and didn’t benefit from a more generous called zone. Last year, 257 pitchers threw at least 1,000 pitches. For each pitcher, I calculated extra strikes above or below average per 1,000 pitches. That per-1,000 is arbitrary, but it does put everyone over the same denominator. In any case, the bottom 10:
| Rank | Pitcher | Extra Strikes/1000 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | A.J. Ramos | -38.0 |
| 2 | Ronald Belisario | -34.8 |
| 3 | Jared Burton | -33.7 |
| 4 | Jamey Wright | -30.1 |
| 5 | Robbie Ross | -28.9 |
| 6 | Samuel Deduno | -28.9 |
| 7 | Jake Diekman | -28.5 |
| 8 | Jake Petricka | -27.9 |
| 9 | Dan Otero | -27.4 |
| 10 | Daniel Webb | -25.1 |
Right there, at fifth-worst: Robbie Ross. He threw 1,355 pitches, and he lost about 39 strikes, relative to the average. This doesn’t prove anything, but this does strongly suggest something.
Matthew Carruth has made some neat leaderboards available at StatCorner. Let’s look only at starting pitchers this time who threw at least 1,000 pitches. Last year, Ross had the very highest rate of pitches taken within the strike zone called balls. He also tied for the very lowest rate of pitches taken outside of the strike zone called strikes. That suggests the same thing as above: Ross was getting no help from his catchers. Some of this can be due to erratic command, but usually, this is about the backstops.
From Texas Leaguers, Ross’ called zone:
You can see how tightly he was called. He got hardly anything off the edges. He got hardly anything on the edges, or even just within. Ross, I’m sure, was struggling some, but with his catchers also doing him harm, it was all the more difficult to get ahead, stay ahead, or put hitters away.
The 2015 Red Sox, of course, are lined up to have excellent receivers in Christian Vazquez and Ryan Hanigan. Even just giving Ross decent receivers could make a big difference; giving him great receivers could conceivably be a game-changer. Last season, out of 185 starters who threw at least 50 innings, Ross tied for ninth in groundball rate, yet he finished 104th in strike rate. But now plug in those 39 missing strikes, to adjust Ross for an average amount of catcher help. He moves all the way up to 20th in strike rate. If you add in more strikes, to try to adjust for the catchers he’ll have in Boston, it only gets brighter. This is too simple an analysis to take the numbers for granted, but it’s illustrative. Ross was in the zone a lot last year. With better catchers, he’ll either get more strikes, or he’ll be able to move out of the zone a bit more often, generating more swings and misses and weak contact.
Robbie Ross wasn’t a very good starting pitcher for the Rangers. The Red Sox aren’t counting on him to be a very good starting pitcher for them. It’s possible he won’t start for them at all, depending on how he does, and depending on how the starters do, and depending on guys like Henry Owens and Eduardo Rodriguez. But with better catchers, Ross should at least be able to be a more functional reliever. And as potential left-handed rotation depth, he makes for interesting injury or Joe Kelly insurance. As unremarkable as he might seem, he’s a groundballer who might be more of a strike-thrower than he looked like in Texas. With grounders and strikes, you don’t need to do a whole lot else.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

Wow, quite intriguing. His minor league history suggest there’s some talent there, so he could have a bright future as you suggest.
OOOOHHHHH No not another Red Sox article! Why do you guys put up so much content on this website. Stop I want only one article a day about one new team everyday. That would be so much better than well thought analysis regarding almost every major league transaction.
I’m glad you guys don’t give a crap about writing too much about one team. The Red Sox have a deeply analytical baseball operations team, and their offseason moves (at least their pitching moves) have all followed a clear pattern of capitalizing on pitch-framing and contact profile trends, which you write very, very well about. This post, like you said, is too simple an analysis to convince anyone that Robbie Ross is a for-sure rebound candidate since. But its not like you’re trying to convince anyone of that anyway, you just noticed a cool statistical pattern and brought it to life in the context of Boston’s “you get a groundball, and you get a groundball!” extravaganza. Thanks, Jeff.
Yeah, as a Sox fan, I love that when the team makes a move (and there have been many this season), I know I can come here to read some analysis that other sites simply won’t get into. Continue on with the Sox posts, and if the whiners are upset, tell them to complain to their GMs for not making impactful moves that require articles.
This kind of comment is why people get annoyed with Sox coverage.
You were off to such a good start too…
ugh, bro…
Jeff, do you acknowledge that if the Athletics and Red Sox traded 2 AAA relievers, that you guys would cancel all articles about the 2015 season and talk about that trade until December?
Are they Heath Hembree and R.J. Alvarez?
Is this Fengraphs or Fangraphs?
I for one find that there’s just too many posts about graphs on this website.
I see what you did there and still up-voted the comment…
Holy hell guys, there’s nothing happening right now. Any trade that has even a slightly interesting twist is worth writing about, and a welcome injection of baseball talk. I can’t understand the hate at all! And this is coming from a Twins fan…
how can you find no-name ross the more interesting part here?
anthony ranaudo, just last year, was one of the top prospects in the “great” red sox system, a key member of what was apparently one of the most impressive AAA starting staffs in baseball. BA ranked him 37th in baseball just a year and a half ago.
fangraphs went on and on about the red sox’ amazing AAA SP depth last year, even though some of us wondered how a group of 2 pitch pitchers in their mid 20s with middling control and numbers could possibly get that much attention.
and now after they unsurprisingly continued to be middling arms despite the hype, they’re all afterthoughts now.
now that spectacular example of overhyping sox prospects would be an interesting topic for sn article, especially in how it might parallel with the hype their system is getting again this year despite having no legit stud prospects in there.
if you’re going to forcefeed us red sox content why don’t you focus on the actual interesting parts instead of spinning the trials and travails of a fungible RP into a story of hope ?
signed, one of the biggest blue jays homers alive
p.s. what is a “shift key”
Just cuz I like playing the fact checker sometimes…
If by BA, you mean Baseball America, then you are misinformed everdiso. BA has never had him higher than 67, pre-2011.
Last offseason, fangraphs published exactly one article “The most interesting AL contender” that included information about Boston’s AAA depth in, and the topic got a two-sentence nod. Ranaudo was not even mentioned. There was an article on Capuano signing and the angle was how his contract compared with other signings, with a sidenote about how he would compete with Doubront for a spot in the rotation. They published the Zips, Steamer, and top 10 prospects articles that every team gets as well.
This article is a quick and dirty exposition of the justification for the red sox targeting someone who seems like a nobody. When a team that is as analytical about their work as Boston makes a head-scratcher trade like this, it begs to be examined in depth because moves like this aren’t made by throwing darts at a board. I’d rather read an article that exposes some trend I can’t understand on the surface, rather than one the Heyward trade, for example, because that trade is obvious. If you want to exclusively read articles about Trout, Kershaw and Scherzer and their Wins, Losses and RBIs espn is right at your fingertips.
your fact checking needs fact checking.
1. ranaudo hit #37 a year and a half ago on BA’s midseason list, like I said.
2. every single article on the red sox team analaysis heading into last year mentioned their aaa starting depth and prospect depth, of which ranaudo was top 10 if not top t.
3. no, not every “headscratcher” of a move by a last place team needs a fangraphs write up.
4. what’s of far more interest to the average fan is not an analysis of a fungible rp but how a hyped prospect could so quickly turn into nothing.
Totally agree with gavzac
It’s amazing how everyone suddenly becomes “intriguing,” “particular” or “under-appreciated” as soon as they put on a Cub or Red Sox jersey….
No, it’s amazing I’m the reason everybody’s fired up this evening.
Was there a reason you neglected to mention who it was that caught Ross’s pitches?
Were you trying to spare his feelings?
Because it certainly would have helped the exposition to be able to say, Yeah, catcher X does suck at framing altogether, were that actually true.
The omission suggests that maybe he wasn’t and maybe it has to be something else…
The problem though is that the Rangers used 3 catchers that caught at least 30 games last season: Robinson Chirinos, J.P. Arencibia, and Chris Gimenez. To blame it on just one catcher seems pretty foolish.
Now that Ranaudo is out of a Boston uniform we get an honest assessment of him
Yeah, they sort of pumped up Ranaudo in the Boston media!
I watched him pitch, and he’s not going to win a Cy Young.
Hey, if he turns into a solid relief pitcher… that’s about the best he can hope for.
He gave up a lot of HR’s because he seems to lose focus.
Make him a reliever and train him to focus on ONE inning.
Drop the change up for now as well…
Come on man!