The Pirates Are Sailing Without a Map

Charles LeClaire-USA TODAY Sports

It’s been one week since the Pirates fired manager Derek Shelton and replaced him with former major league utilityman and Pittsburgh native Don Kelly, who served as Shelton’s bench coach for the entirety of his managerial stint. Firing the manager is one of the first moves made by an underperforming or flat-out awful ballclub, so there’s nothing surprising about Shelton getting the axe after a 12-26 start. But a manager’s record is only as good as the players on his roster and the money spent to build that roster, and Pittsburgh was deficient in both for Shelton’s entire tenure, which spanned five-plus seasons. During that time, the team posted a 308-441 record.

Now with Kelly at the helm, the Pirates are still on a ship that’s at best treading water; they are 3-3 in their six games since he took over, with five of them being decided by just one run. Perhaps Pittsburgh will be better with Kelly managing than it was under Shelton. After all, this is a team that at least has Paul Skenes and Oneil Cruz. However, there is only so much that Kelly can do here. The core problems in Pittsburgh can only be solved with a drastic shift in organizational philosophy, and that starts with owner Bob Nutting and the person tasked with executing that strategy, general manager Ben Cherington.

The ineptitude of the Pirates starts at the top with Nutting. He is the man responsible for their frugality, as they’ve run among the lowest payrolls in baseball every season, without exception, since he purchased the team in 2007: They’ve never ranked higher than 23rd in end-of-year payroll. Even if Nutting decides to invest more into the roster in the future, the Pirates are never going to be able to splurge like the Dodgers and Mets, or even the next tier of teams like the Phillies and Cubs. But as a small-market team, the Pirates receive more from the revenue-sharing pool than they put in. (Each team puts 48% of its local revenue into the pot, which is then distributed evenly among the 30 teams.)

Trying to glean what they’ve done with that money is… murky at best. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale had a timely report on Sunday, noting at the end of his weekly notes that the Pirates are “one of the most profitable teams in all of baseball” and that they keep a “huge chunk” of the money received via revenue sharing instead of putting it back into the club, which is the whole purpose of redistributing the pool money to smaller-market teams. The Pirates profit from the mere structure of revenue sharing itself, and hoarding that cash is antithetical to the cash heading their way in the first place.

But even though Nutting has hung onto more revenue-sharing money than he should, it’s still Cherington’s job to do more with less, and for the most part, that hasn’t been the case.

To Cherington’s credit, the Pirates have been pretty good at developing pitching since his arrival after the 2019 season. They currently rank 13th in the majors in pitcher WAR, with a 13-man staff almost entirely drafted or acquired by Cherington. Skenes, of course, leads the rotation; he’s already emerging as one of the best no. 1 draft picks of the century, meteorically rising to his perch as the face of the franchise and one of the most recognizable players in the whole league. The lone arm on the staff who came to the organization prior to Cherington’s hiring, Mitch Keller, was drafted by the Pirates in 2014, while Neal Huntington was still running things — but the right-hander didn’t blossom until after Cherington took over. More pitching help should be on the way later this year, with Jared Jones due back from an elbow injury around midseason and top prospects Braxton Ashcraft, Hunter Barco, and Bubba Chandler all pitching for Triple-A Indianapolis.

You Aren't a FanGraphs Member
It looks like you aren't yet a FanGraphs Member (or aren't logged in). We aren't mad, just disappointed.
We get it. You want to read this article. But before we let you get back to it, we'd like to point out a few of the good reasons why you should become a Member.
1. Ad Free viewing! We won't bug you with this ad, or any other.
2. Unlimited articles! Non-Members only get to read 10 free articles a month. Members never get cut off.
3. Dark mode and Classic mode!
4. Custom player page dashboards! Choose the player cards you want, in the order you want them.
5. One-click data exports! Export our projections and leaderboards for your personal projects.
6. Remove the photos on the home page! (Honestly, this doesn't sound so great to us, but some people wanted it, and we like to give our Members what they want.)
7. Even more Steamer projections! We have handedness, percentile, and context neutral projections available for Members only.
8. Get FanGraphs Walk-Off, a customized year end review! Find out exactly how you used FanGraphs this year, and how that compares to other Members. Don't be a victim of FOMO.
9. A weekly mailbag column, exclusively for Members.
10. Help support FanGraphs and our entire staff! Our Members provide us with critical resources to improve the site and deliver new features!
We hope you'll consider a Membership today, for yourself or as a gift! And we realize this has been an awfully long sales pitch, so we've also removed all the other ads in this article. We didn't want to overdo it.

The same cannot be said for the Pirates at the plate. They have the second-worst offense in baseball by wRC+ both for this season (75) and since Cherington was hired (83). Only two of the 13 hitters on the roster were drafted or signed as international free agents by Cherington’s front office. One of those two is backup catcher Henry Davis, the no. 1 pick in the 2021 draft who, at age 25, can pretty safely be described as a bust.

And despite all of the losing and therefore higher draft picks, the Pirates farm system lacks promising position players. Termarr Johnson, the no. 4 pick in 2022, has dropped off our Top 100 Prospects list. Center fielder Konnor Griffin (no. 72) is the only Pirates position player on that list currently, and although Eric Longenhagen bumped him up to a 50 FV in his post-spring training update, at age 19, Griffin has a ways to go before impacting the major league roster.

That still leaves a couple of avenues for Cherington to add length to his meager lineup: trade and free agency. But recent efforts there have failed, too. Bryan De La Cruz, acquired at the 2024 trade deadline from the Marlins, was non-tendered after the season; Isiah Kiner-Falefa, who came over in a trade from Toronto, has predictably fielded quite well without offering much with the bat. Neither Tommy Pham nor Adam Frazier, both signed to one-year deals in the offseason, have managed to be replacement level. Oh, and those one-year deals? They’re the only length of contract to which Cherington has signed any player in his six offseasons on the job.

So, Nutting has failed to provide Cherington with enough, and Cherington hasn’t done enough with what he’s been provided. What, then, can they do differently? Well, it’s a copycat league, so they should probably just start by looking around.

We know Pittsburgh is never going to be a big spender, but plenty of teams have found success without $200 million payrolls, and they don’t all do it the same way. The Guardians roster players they’ve drafted and developed at rates at or near the top of the league every single year; the Rays, of course, love wheeling and dealing for undervalued players, and they construct their major league rosters largely via trade. But what both teams do that the Pirates don’t is supplement their rosters with meaningful free agent signings. Neither Cleveland, nor Tampa Bay plays at the top of the market, but they also aren’t afraid to commit to players they like for multiple years or a little more money if that’s what it takes to make a deal.

Before we get to the next example, I should advise any Pirates fans reading this not to get your hopes up — that is, if you have any left — because this is never going to happen as long as Nutting owns the team. But for a moment let’s consider the team that, in an perfect world, would be the ideal organization to emulate: the San Diego Padres. They are the best evidence for the difference that one owner can make, because under the late Peter Seidler, they drafted and developed well, traded prospects to acquire established major league talent, and invested their revenue-sharing money back into their roster through free agency, even paying top dollar for top free agents when necessary. San Diego is the 30th-largest media market in North America, according to Nielsen; Pittsburgh ranks 27th. Realistically, the Padres have overextended themselves — which is why they traded away Juan Soto in December 2023 and reportedly considered dealing Dylan Cease before this season — but there is a massive gap between San Diego’s estimated $262.2 million luxury tax payroll for 2025 and the $112.9 million that Pittsburgh is projected to spend. And the most important thing is this: The Padres are winning. Since the start of the 2020 season, which was Cherington’s first year running things in Pittsburgh, San Diego has the seventh-best record in the majors (407-343, .543) and played in three of the past five postseasons.

Improvements can and should also be made at the bottom rungs of the organization, and considering Cherington’s terrible track record with hitters, the focus should be on offensive player development. I’m not privy to how the Pirates approach this now, but it’s clear that whatever they’re doing isn’t working. There needs to be some level of accountability, whether it’s in the form of changing the messaging to the hitters, the people delivering the messaging, or both. Something of an internal audit would be a great first step toward figuring out what exactly has gone wrong and what the organization should do to fix it.

None of the changes the Pirates need to make can happen right away. Unless Nutting drastically increases payroll — which is extremely unlikely — it’ll probably take at least a few years to overhaul the operation. Fans won’t flock back to PNC Park just because there’s a better plan in place; there needs to be something different on the field, too. And by different, I don’t just mean peering into the dugout and seeing Kelly instead of Shelton.





Jon Becker manages RosterResource's team payroll pages, assists with all other aspects of RosterResource, and also dabbles in creating new features as a Junior Developer. Follow him at your own peril: @jonbecker_ on Twitter and @jon-becker.com on Bluesky.

54 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago

Yes, firing Shelton won’t make any noticeable difference. But does that mean he should manage the team forever? Like Bud Black, he may not be the problem, but he’s also not the solution.

cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Becker

But by that logic, if changing the manager will not solve anything, the Pirates will never have a reason to change the manager, and, therefore, there is no reason Shelton shouldn’t manage the team in perpetuity.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

The Pirates do have to look like they are doing something – just like the Rockies, they are cosplaying at running a major league team, and in this situation the done thing is to fire your manager. (Though most teams would have done that years ago, irrespective of how bad the manager was.)

PemtlcMember since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

Who are you arguing with? If retaining Shelton won’t fix anything, and firing Shelton won’t fix anything, why does it matter whether they fire him or not. Jon’s article isn’t about Shelton at all.

Roman AjzenMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

My man is out here arguing that not only we should we rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic (“have you seen how misaligned the chairs are?!?”) but also that it would make a difference to the overall trajectory of the sinking ship.

John Elway
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Becker

If the front office keeps trotting out cheap free agents that are long in the tooth, no manager can succeed furlong.

Just neighing.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  John Elway

At some point word on the street was that it was “cost-effective” to sign cheap free agent veterans that lingered late into free agency. They say it limits the downside. And while I think Andrew Heaney is going to work out for them, it’s typically better to sign free agents who might be good (like Willy Adames) than those who, if they fail, it limits the downside (like Tommy Pham).

(although Adames hasn’t been great so far…)

danodeaMember since 2025
1 year ago

I’ve been a Pirates fan for over 20 years, but I’ve pretty much given up on them after this past offseason. They’ve fooled me plenty of times before with some faint hope of eventually spending or having prospects blossom. No longer! I’ll tune in for a Skenes start now and then, but that’s about it. And I’m certainly not spending another dollar on merch or tickets until Nutting is gone.

PemtlcMember since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  danodea

I remember when the Bucs hired Huntington and thinking “uh oh, they’re going to be the A’s of the NL Central”. That was 18 years ago.

compucles
1 year ago
Reply to  danodea

Don’t pick a Skenes start against the Cardinals, though. ;P

Last edited 1 year ago by compucles
JimMember since 2016
1 year ago

This is really well-written.

CL1NTMember since 2026
1 year ago

It really sucks that a player like Skenes is essentially stuck with this team. For his sake, and baseball fans’ as well, hopefully PIT eventually trades him for a haul. It’s been sad enough never really getting to see Trout in the postseason

jmb2171Member since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  CL1NT

It’s probably good for baseball because Skenes brings attention to the Pirates and us fans hope that the extra attention will lead to better accountability.

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  jmb2171

Will it?

It would be better for baseball if Skenes was pitching in big games on the national stage in a pennant race & in the playoffs. Him going .500 ( or below, as it is currently) with an ERA in the 2’s, doesn’t do much except line Nutting’s pockets due to the bigger crowds at his home starts.

Last edited 1 year ago by PC1970
compucles
1 year ago
Reply to  PC1970

That can still happen once Skenes hits free agency at a relatively young age in 5 years (or if he’s traded sooner than that). For now, let the Pirates have a superstar to cheer for.

Last edited 1 year ago by compucles
TheGarrettCooperFanClub
1 year ago
Reply to  CL1NT

Well if history is any indication, he’ll be traded a couple years before he hits FA.

jsdspudMember since 2018
1 year ago

I enjoyed the article. As a long time fan of the Pirates, it summarized the state of the franchise well.

I have no idea how Ben Cherington (BC) keeps his job. This is his 10th season as a GM and he has 8 last place finishes, 1 fourth place, and somehow won a World Series with Boston. This guy just isn’t good at his job. When faced with the restrictions that Nutting puts on a GM, they need to be aggressive with acquiring talent. BC is the least aggressive GM in the league.

As mentioned in the article, the hitting acquisition and development is absolutely terrible. The three best hitters acquired by BC are Joey Bart, Carlos Santana, and Andrew McCutchen. McCutchen had to intervene with the owner directly to return because BC didn’t show any interest. Santana was traded after four months, begged to return and BC ignored him and allowed him to sign else.

The truly sad part is that if they had signed Rhys Hoskins and Anthony Santander payroll would still be near the bottom of the league but the team would be much better.

Then BC allows Terry Francona, who was born in Wester PA, to come out of retirement and manage a division rival so that they could keep Shelton on board an extra six weeks.

Then you have the off field gaffes of destroying commemorative bricks purchased by fans, ushers whipping fans, and removing symbol honoring Roberto Clemente and replacing it with an ad for alcohol.

Lastly, over the last seven or eight years, the Brewers have spent $200 million more than the Pirates on major league payroll. They also have a better farm system because of their Latin American scouting department. Matt Arnold was a finalist for the Pirate GM job, another outstanding decision by Bob Nutting.

I apologize for the rant. I am fed up with this ownership group.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
1 year ago
Reply to  jsdspud

Yeah, it is really confusing how Cherington is still here (my theory is that he must work cheap) and that they just refuse to spend on any significant FA. Not that they would have solved all of their problems, but it shouldn’t be that difficult to assemble a league average offense via FA without breaking the bank. It is definitely frustrating to say the least.

Never realized that Arnold was a candidate for the GM job… ouch.

jmb2171Member since 2018
1 year ago

Termarr is still just 20, the youngest player out of 75 players on the Eastern League leaderboard, and yet ranks 20th in the league in wOBA. The combination of ranking 9th in BB/K ratio (14th in K%) while also ranking 24th in SLG seems impressive for such a young player.

As a Pirates fan, though, I agree that overall Cherington has done a very poor job at evaluating and developing position players.

Last edited 1 year ago by jmb2171
sbrouscMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  jmb2171

On the other hand, he was the 4th overall pick in the draft, so expectations should be high.

Johnson just hasn’t been the player the Pirates thought they were getting, even if his production has been pretty good (130-140 wRC+) for an always-young-for-his-level guy, except for last season. He was touted as the best pure hitter in the draft with a 70-grade hit tool, but almost from the jump he showed a lot more swing and miss. The fact that he’s dropped his K% at AA this year is probably the best development along those lines and worth keeping an eye on. If he can keep that rate in the teens rather than the 20s, he’ll get back on the prospect map.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  sbrousc

Johnson may end up being a decent player, but I think some of the problem with those who are quick to write him (or any prospect) off is industry expectations. Prep bats shouldn’t ever be getting 70 grades on the hit tool because we just don’t have a good idea as to who will hit and who won’t among them.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sbrousc

Termarr Johnson was not a perfect pick but if you compare it to the guys taken after him he looks fantastic. Cade Horton looks like the real deal, so he would have been better. But Johnson is probably at the same level as Brooks Lee and looks more promising than Elijah Green, Jacob Berry, Gavin Cross, Gabriel Hughes, Kevin Parada, and Jace Jung. You can say “they should have drafted Zach Neto” but that’s probably true for 7 out of the top 10 teams.

People really tend to overestimate how likely a prospect drafted in the first round, or even in the top 10 or top 5, is likely to succeed. In 2021, the #4 pick was Marcelo Mayer, and while he looks like a better prospect he’s not that much of a better prospect than Termarr Johnson (like, a 55 vs a 50). In 2020, it was Asa Lacy, and I’m not sure he’s still in baseball anymore. In 2019 it was JJ Bleday, who has had one good year and otherwise has been replacement level for the remainder of his career.

In 2018 it was Nick Madrigal, who was a bust. In 2017 it was Brendan McKay, who was a bust. In 2016 it was Riley Pint, who was a bust. In 2015 it was Dillon Tate, who was a bust.

You have to go back to 2014 to find a #4 pick who has had more than 4 fWAR for their career, and that was Kyle Schwarber.

The Pirates are really bad at developing hitters, but we should expect any single draft pick to fail. The problem comes when all of your hitters fail, which is close to what has happened. Termarr Johnson, if anything, has the best bet to become an average regular.

Last edited 1 year ago by sadtrombone
formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Completely agree with the overall point of this post, but a minor nitpick: Schwarber is the last #4 pick to have more than 4 fWAR before Wyatt Langford, who is already over 4 fWAR after being drafted in 2023. Though 2023 was a famously stacked top five.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

Ah yes, I meant going back from Termarr Johnson. Yeah that top 5 was bananas. Dylan Crews is probably going to be the worst one out of that group, even if he turns things around, because the others are so good.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Some folks wanted Crews over Skenes. There would be riots.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago

The comparison with the Padres is interesting (and, as you said, not realistic for Pirates fans to hope for) – through the Pirates do have to compete with the Steelers and the Penguins for attention.

I do wonder if anyone tried to explain to Nutting that you can make more money by spending more to grow the business. I wouldn’t be surprised if Nutting refused… because by making more money, he’d then have to share more of it. I don’t know the guy, and maybe I’m making a terrible slander… but someone described Rob Manfred as working for 30 Mr Burns – and he seems like the most Mr Burns out of all of them. Like when Mr Burns complains about someone else having tax exempt status. Smithers – “Uh, actually, sir, with our creative bookkeeping and corporate loopholes, we only pay $3 a year.” Mr Burns: “You’re right, we’re getting screwed!”

KennyMember since 2017
1 year ago

Nutting is awful, and baseball is only one of the ways he is awful. This is not a question, or news. But there are a couple of things missing from this article that I would like to see real research about.

First, the making extensions for “players they like” in the middle of the market that this article proposes is something the Pirates have done three times this decade – Keller, Reynolds and Hayes. Of these, and consistent with the idea that the Pirates have decent pitching coaching but lousy hitting coaching, Keller should be considered a success (though not obviously an ace), Reynolds has looked fine until this year and still may come around, and only Hayes appears to be a failure – and I wish I knew why. Is he still feeling last year’s injuries? It he getting no advice at all with the bat? It would be helpful to have some analysis here. And when I say analysis, it would help if someone smarter than me could reflect on these extensions compared to a bunch of other similar extensions by teams like the Guardians and Rays who are named here as comparisons.

Are there other players the Pirates should have extended? I mean sure, Skenes and Cruz, but fat chance given the money they will require.

Second, I know it is very hard for journalists to figure out what is or isn’t working in coaching/training/analytics staffs, but certain things, like analyzing the size of coaching staffs, what tasks they have been put too, and the extent to which the Pirates nickel and dime the coaching and training process (as for example the White Sox under Reinsdorf were famous for) is a big piece of the problem. My impression is that the Pirates have flubbed a tremendous number of hitters. While Davis is the only one named here, and I added Hayes in the last paragraph, I am wondering about Rodriguez and Suwinski and Bae, Peguero and Triolo all of whom have at one point of another (often in the minors) shown signs of being better than they look right now. Michael Taylor went from a fine 2023 to falling off a cliff last year. Someone on the Pirates has done that every year since I moved to Pittsburgh in 2017 and I just wonder if there is any competent hitting coaching in the organization at all.

My point finally is this: Nutting is responsible for the failure to create a sustainable winner after 2013-15. But just two years ago it seemed to lots of us that the Pirates had a new core that was likely to succeed, and it has failed. Maybe this is the coaching? And while that doesn’t mean it’s Shelton personally, it would help to know how much of it is happening not because Nutting isn’t paying for players, but because Nutting isn’t paying for coaching.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  Kenny

Hayes, I think, won’t ever overcome the injuries to his back to be anything substantial at the plate. His back injury from 2024 (it was recurring before that) was severe.

It’s not really the coaching, as much as it’s BC failing at development and being completely incapable of identifying decent hitters.

fangraphsreaderbutwokeMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Look at Daulton Rushing as an example. Henry Davis’ backup at Louisville. Dodgers got Rushing to the show and Pirates have scattered 420 PAs and some randomly stupid position changes across three seasons for Davis and he’s a mess.

maguroMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Regarding Hayes, there’s really nothing in his minor league hitting record that would lead you think he would even be a league average hitter in MLB. He got hot over 100 PAs in 2020 and people overreacted to that.

JayGray007Member since 2024
1 year ago

Honestly, i am not really sure ” the Pirates have been pretty good at developing pitching since his arrival after the 2019 season” is necessarily a particularly safe statement. not yet, anyway. Okay, skenes. Other than Jared Jones having 100 okay innings in 2024, there’s really not much that they’ve developed all the way to the point to “good mlb pitcher” level yet. Things look good, but they need a few more Jared Joneses before i’m willing to call them “pretty good at developing”

It’s okay if you think “group of guys in the upper minors” is good development, but i need that mlb success before I call it good development.

Last edited 1 year ago by JayGray007
leftoverquesaritoMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

This is a great point, and part of the reason I wasn’t as optimistic heading into the season as other Pirates fans. The young pitchers certainly look the part, but we’re yet to see anyone show consistent shutdown innings in the majors.

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

I agree with this. I also think Skenes may be “too good to screw up” & what have the other guys really accomplished?

JayGray007Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  PC1970

the level to which the fanbase has already called Jones “good development” is pretty wild. I like him and i’m overall bullish, but he’s just done sooooo little in order to earn the team that kind of goodwill.

120 innings of 4.2 ERA ball just doesnt quite do it for me yet

compucles
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

I suppose it depends on your definition of “good MLB pitcher,” but Mitch Keller has been a decent starter at worst for them since 2022.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

The perfect GM for this team is Chaim Bloom because he can get talent. For most teams, he would piss off the fanbase while doing it, but here the fans are so alienated he can’t piss them off more than they are.

If he is plagued by the same problems in St Louis that he was in Boston the Pirates should give him a shot. The Rays also make a surprising amount of money, Rays alumni are used to being in a situation like this.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I mean, clearly the solution is to fire everyone but the people who are responsible for scouting and developing pitchers, give them all raises, and find someone who knows how to find great hitters. But because that is the obvious solution and it costs more than a fancy cup of coffee it won’t happen.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago

Of all the bad teams in baseball this one seems like maybe the clearest argument for just opening up the wallet a smidge. They’ve done so badly at filling holes with reasonable position players, and could do so much better if they’d just occasionally sign a 2-3 year deal. Of course they’d still have to pick the right guys from the discount aisle, but a Rhys Hoskins here and there (the contrast with the Brewers’ ability to do this is stark) and this could already be a marginal playoff contender with the pitching they’ve got. It really wouldn’t take a wholesale overhaul of the organization to get from bad to at least respectably mediocre. (Of course that would still help, but compared to the Rockies or White Sox it’s less of a complete top-to-bottom organizational disaster.)

leftoverquesaritoMember since 2024
1 year ago

This offseason is really what put the nail in this team’s coffin for me, someone who liked Cherington a lot longer than most Pirates fans. Last year was a nice surprise until the wheels fell off in August, which didn’t catch me off guard given how young the team was at the most important positions on the diamond. Good lord though, you have to do SOMETHING during the offseason. I’m not sure a GM as risk-averse as Cherington can succeed when you’re facing such a small budget, at some point you have to take some chances.

I never liked Shelton but he should’ve been gone last December if this was his leash. This team is objectively worse than the one last year (injuries have been part of that, but where are any legitimate upgrades?), which is pretty mind-blowing given the pitching talent up and down the 40-man. Waiver-wire dumpster-diving shouldn’t be happening in year 6 of a front office’s rebuild. Everyone across the league is feeling that huge gap between AAA and the majors but Pirates prospects especially just cannot make that jump.

Oh, and screw Nutting. But that goes without saying. The reality is we’re forced to survive with him, and Cherington hasn’t done that, let alone thrive.

PemtlcMember since 2026
1 year ago

Yeah it seems weird to miss the chance to hire a new manager over the offseason when more candidates are available, only to fire Shelton this early into the season. The Pirates’ start is shitty, but it’s within the range of predictable outcomes for how the season could have started given the roster. If anything less than a .450 start means you fire your manager anyway, why not get it over with when you’ve got lots of options to replace him?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

There is really no way Cherington should be here after this season, and they should sweep out anyone who has anything to do with selecting (or especially) developing hitters. It’s not like he had a lot to work with but Endy Rodriguez and Henry Davis look like they have taken enormous steps back, and everyone in the organization except for Oneil Cruz and Termarr Johnson looks terrible on the hitting side.

I realize some of this is because they had basically no international scouting program before and you cannot develop enough good hitters without a top-tier presence in Latin America. They should probably offer Carlos Rodriguez (the Rays international scouting director from 2019-2021, now an AGM for them) whatever he wants to come take over baseball operations.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
1 year ago

It does not help to encourage spending when the two players you’ve actually extended are giving you 0.9 and -0.6 WAR respectively (Ke’Bryan Hayes and Brian Reynolds).

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

Hayes at least is very inexpensive and somehow his defensive numbers are so gaudy that he’s still grading out as above average (this year, not last which was a disaster). But the Reynolds extension looks disturbingly Rockiesish–can’t let a homegrown player go, won’t build a good team around him, sign him to an extension that’s probably overpriced to placate the fans and wind up with a white elephant. I’d like to know whether this year looks like a blip so far or if he’s cooked.

alexpbloomMember since 2019
1 year ago

The Pirates ran ~$100M payroll in 2015. That would be something like $135M this year. So the Pirates, even by their own penurious standards, had >$50M in salary room this offseason. It’s disgraceful that they don’t even try.

John ChurchMember since 2020
1 year ago

As much as I’d like for the Pirates to give a multi-year contract to someone, I don’t actually think that’s the problem. To me, it is clearly a problem of evaluating talent.

There are lots of players who could put together decent seasons available as FAs on one-year deals. There are frequently waiver wire pickups who can be at least half-way decent. Ben Cherington has almost never hit on them; instead, all his signings have been below replacement. Canario is a good example of that this year; Joshua Palacios and De La Cruz last year; Yoshi Tsutsugo, Josh Van Meter, and Michael Chavis a few years ago; the number of significantly below replacement players who get regularly playing time each year in the Cherington regime is truly astounding. Either Cherington is deliberately signing bad players, or his ability to judge talent is lacking.

That also explains why Shelton was fired – I think Cherington legitimately thought and thinks that the team would actually be competitive this year because of “internal improvement” – Henry Davis hitting in MLB like he does in AAA, a rebound season from Jack Suwinski, Nick Gonzales having an All-Star caliber season. He is wrong about that because he misjudged the true talent levels of the players on his team.

What you are left with is a team that is actually pretty old and full of dreck. The good news is that a competent GM should be able to replace the dreck with even moderately below average players and improve the team tremendously. The bad news is that to do so, Nutting will need to fire Cherington. Nutting historically has only fired GMs after being embarrassed; he fired Littlefield after the Matt Morris signing; he fired Huntington after the Archer trade clearly bombed. I am not rooting for Cherington to make a desperation move that backfires, but I’m afraid one might be necessary to move on.

raregokusMember since 2022
1 year ago

Haven’t made it past the first sentence of the article yet, but it’s already in rarified air for passing the Barenaked Ladies test: the first four words are the same as BNL’s smash hit “One Week”

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  raregokus

first five, even!

raregokusMember since 2022
1 year ago

This is an excellent point that I hadn’t even considered. A truly remarkable achievement.

szielinskiMember since 2026
1 year ago

I became a Pirates fan in 1961. I was five years old. I stopped being a Pirates fan in January of 2025 when I was 69 years old. I told myself last year that if Cherrington and Nutting’s off season was as bad as they have been since Cherrington arrived, that I would fold and find better things to do with my time.

As unnerving as the McClatchy and Littlefield regime was, the Nutting and Cherrington regime seems worse. One long-time Pirates fan often complained that the Pirates are not even trying. He’s right about that. They are not trying. And since they cannot develop hitters, choice draft picks and IFA signings can not help at all. The only future on the horizon: More of the same.

Schide
1 year ago
Reply to  szielinski

Nice

Roman AjzenMember since 2020
1 year ago

Great article on the Pirates. As a Padres’ fan, the paragraph about Seidler was particularly poignant.

The most telling aspect of the upcoming labor battle is that owners will look to continue disincentivizing Seidler’s to the benefit of the Nutting-type approach. Despite being in a tiny TV marker, SD now pays into revenue sharing because they have been so successful at building and monetizing their fans (even without a TV deal!). Instead of coming up with a framework that rewards what is objectively a successful franchise (setting aside the W/L record), the big market owners will want to keep the small market teams down and the small market owners will want the ability to continue lining their pockets without being embarrassed by those who have been successful in similar situations. That this cravenness will be whitewashed by the media (excluding FG, BP, etc) as being the players’ fault is doubly depressing.

StuSheaMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Roman Ajzen

This.

JoeyVottoIsGoneMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Roman Ajzen

Well said. I wish more people were aware of this.