The White Sox Are Utterly Terrible

Say this for the White Sox: They scored runs on Thursday. Sure, they were thrashed 14–5 by the Rays, which extended their losing streak to eight games, but they ended their scoreless streak at 25 innings, scored more runs than they had in the previous four games (three), and matched their total of hits from the previous three games (11). When you’ve lost 13 out of your last 15 games, this counts as progress.
Chicago’s current skid has dropped the team’s record to 7–19, the third-worst in the majors. There’s no ambiguity about whether the White Sox are bad: they also have the third-worst run differential and projected winning percentage, according to both PythagenPat and BaseRuns:
| Team | W | L | Win% | Rdif | RS/G | RA/G | Pyth Win% | BaseRuns Win% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Athletics | 5 | 21 | .192 | -113 | 3.81 | 8.15 | .175 | .231 |
| Royals | 6 | 20 | .231 | -59 | 3.19 | 5.46 | .269 | .286 |
| White Sox | 7 | 19 | .269 | -58 | 3.88 | 6.12 | .293 | .292 |
In the words of James Brown, “People, it’s bad.”
This was supposed to be a better team, competitive in the AL Central if not a juggernaut. Under new manager Pedro Grifol, who replaced the retired Tony La Russa after the team declined from 93 wins and the division title in 2021 to 81 wins last year, the White Sox were forecast for about 80 wins via our preseason Playoff Odds, albeit with a 30.5% chance of making the postseason. To date, however, no team’s preseason odds have plummeted further:
| Date | Proj W | Proj L | Proj Win% | GB | Win Div | Clinch Bye | Clinch WC | Playoffs | Win WS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Preaseason | 79.7 | 82.3 | .492 | 2.9 | 21.4% | 6.3% | 9.1% | 30.5% | 0.9% |
| Thru 4/27 | 72.9 | 89.1 | .484 | 13.4 | 3.2% | 0.2% | 1.3% | 4.5% | 0.1% |
| Change | -6.8 | +6.8 | -.008 | +10.5 | -18.2% | -6.1% | -7.8% | -26.0% | -0.8% |
Of the other 29 teams, only the Cardinals (down 25.3%, from 67.4% to 42.1%) and Mariners (down 23.8%, from 40.5% to 16.7%) have fallen nearly as far, but both are at least still in double-digit territory. Not so the White Sox.
As you can surmise from that first table, the White Sox have major issues on both sides of the ball. Through Thursday, their 3.88 runs per game and .373 slugging percentage both ranked 11th in the AL, their .289 on-base percentage and 84 wRC+ 13th, and their 6.6% walk rate 14th. They’ve scored three or fewer runs in 14 of their 26 games; only twice during this losing streak have they scored more than three. Thursday’s loss broke a five-game streak in which they collected five or fewer hits and a four-game streak in which they collected four or fewer; over the latter stretch, they totaled just six runs, batting .122/.175/.199.
To be fair, injuries have played a significant part in the offense’s woes. Eloy Jiménez, Tim Anderson, and Yoán Moncada have all spent time on the injured list this month, an all-too-familiar situation given that the trio totaled just 267 games last year. Jiménez missed eight games after suffering a low-grade left hamstring strain; last year, he missed 65 games from late April to early July after tearing a hamstring tendon in his right knee, though when he did play, his 144 wRC+ led the team. This year, the 26-year-old slugger has yet to get it going, batting just .174/.240/.304 (51 wRC+) in 75 PA. His 42.3% chase rate, 19.8% swinging-strike rate and 30.7% strikeout rate are all well above career norms, a pattern that strongly suggests a hitter who’s pressing.
Anderson, whose 2022 season ended last August when he tore ligaments in his left middle finger, was hitting .298/.327/.404 through his first 11 games before spraining his left knee on April 10. The good news is that he’s heading for a rehab assignment with Triple-A Charlotte this weekend. Moncada, who was limited to 104 games and a 76 wRC+ last year by three separate trips to the IL (strains of the oblique and both hamstrings), started out hot, hitting .308/.325/.564 with a pair of homers through his first nine games. He hasn’t played since April 9, though, due to what was initially termed lower back soreness but has since been diagnosed as a protruding disc that’s impinging upon a nerve. While he has increased his level of activity in recent days, he’s not yet ready to start a rehab assignment. The possibility of offseason surgery looms, though the odds still favor avoiding it. Via the Chicago Sun Times‘ Daryl Van Schouwen:
“My understanding medically is that about 80% of them, they’re able to calm down naturally, and then you go on with your life,” [general manager Rick] Hahn said. “And then about maybe two out of every 10, you have to have some sort of intervention in the offseason. It’s trending the right way right now. Hopefully he continues to progress over these seven or eight days and will have an assignment soon after.”
Even if one accounts for the aforementioned injuries, only two of the team’s top seven players in terms of plate appearances — everybody with 60 or more — have a wRC+ of 100 or better: Yasmani Grandal (120 in a welcome bounceback from last year) and Andrew Vaughn (100), though the latter has fallen far short of the 137 wRC+ put up by José Abreu, who departed via free agency. Letting Abreu go doesn’t look like the worst idea given that he’s 36 and has just a 54 wRC+ with the Astros so far, but Andrew Benintendi, Chicago’s big free-agent addition — his five-year, $75 million deal represented the largest guaranteed contract in club history — has hit a thin .283/.333/.337 (88 wRC+). Luis Robert Jr. has been underwhelming (.223/.252/.427, 80 wRC+). Elvis Andrus, re-signed in late February, has been sub-replacement level (.187/.250/.220, 31 wRC+), as has rookie Oscar Colás (.221/.284/.294, 64 wRC+). Part-time infielders Lenyn Sosa and Romy Gonzalez have combined for 78 PA; the former has a 1 wRC+, the latter -6. Somebody open a window, please.
The White Sox can’t even point to a lack of luck — an abundance of hard-hit balls that aren’t turning into hits — in accounting for their offensive struggles. On a team-wide basis, their 6.9% barrel rate is 21st in the majors, but their 87.5 mph average exit velocity and 34% hard-hit rate both rank among the bottom six teams. Their .362 xSLG is 28th, three points below their actual SLG, and their .287 xwOBA is dead last, two points below their actual wOBA. Individually, only Anderson, Vaughn, third base fill-in Jake Burger, and part-timer Gavin Sheets have xwOBAs above .291. A terrible performance deserves a terrible joke: This team is xwOBAgone.
If all of the team’s problems could be laid at the feet of the offense, that would be one thing, but relative to the major league average scoring rate of 4.56 runs per game, the White Sox have been further off the mark in terms of run prevention, giving up a ghastly 6.12 runs per game; only the A’s have been worse. Their rotation, which placed 15th in our preseason Positional Power Rankings and has gotten all 26 starts from the projected starting five, is third-to-last in the AL in ERA (5.55), FIP (5.37), and HR/9 (1.67), and in a virtual tie for last in walk rate (10.4%).
Individually, Dylan Cease (4.15 ERA, 4.08 FIP) and Lucas Giolito (4.50 ERA, 4.28 FIP) have both pitched respectably, and the team is 5–6 in their starts, in part because both pitchers have been backed with more than four runs per game. Giolito is the only one of the quintet with a single-digit walk rate (5%), and his fluffed-up ERA is largely a product of allowing seven of his 14 earned runs to the red-hot Pirates in a four-inning start on April 7. Cease is walking 10.6% of hitters and has been pulled after four-plus innings in each of his last two starts; he’s allowed 10 runs (nine earned) in eight innings in those turns, both against Tampa Bay, and they’ve more than doubled his ERA.
As for the others, both Lance Lynn (7.52 ERA, 5.97 FIP) and Michael Kopech (7.01 ERA, 7.40 FIP) have been dreadful, and Mike Clevinger (4.81 ERA, 5.45 FIP) merely bad; the team is 2–13 in their starts. Kopech has been rocked for a 9.88 xERA, the majors’ highest mark of any pitcher with at least 20 innings, and among that set only Ken Waldichuk has a higher FIP or home run rate than his 2.81 per nine. Pour a 13.4% walk rate all over his 93 mph average exit velo, 20.3% barrel rate, and 58.1% hard-hit rate, and you’ve got an open-and-shut case of arson. Lynn’s 2.39 homers per nine, 10.5% walk rate, and 6.40 xERA look good only by comparison. Clevinger isn’t missing bats; his 6.8% swinging-strike rate is well below his career mark (12%) or even last year’s post-Tommy John surgery mark (10.6%). His 16.1% strikeout rate, meanwhile, is 9.3 points below his career mark and 2.7 points below last year, and he’s walking 12.5% of hitters.
Speaking broadly, with this group it comes down to location, location, location. Collectively, this quintet’s 104 Stuff+ score is the fifth-best in the AL, but their 99 Location+ is 13th, and they’re below 100 in that department in every offering but four-seam (100) and cutter (110), the last of which is almost entirely Lynn’s doing — and his Stuff+ score for the pitch is just 91.
The starters have been bad, but at least they’ve absorbed innings; the food is terrible but the portions generous. The unit’s 5.2 innings per turn (that’s decimal, not 5 2/3) is right at the league average, a blessing when it comes to a bullpen with a 6.06 ERA (14th in the AL), 4.76 FIP (13th), and 12.2% walk rate (13th). At least some of the problem can be explained by the loss of Liam Hendriks, who underwent chemotherapy for non-Hodgkins lymphoma and thankfully was declared cancer-free last week; he’s hoping to be cleared to start a rehab assignment soon, with a return later in May. That doesn’t explain why the normally reliable Aaron Bummer, Jake Diekman, Kendall Graveman, and Reynaldo López have pitched badly, with ERAs of 4.66 or higher, and both Diekman and López above 7.00. The latter, the team’s fill-in closer in Hendriks’ absence, has allowed four homers in 10.2 innings and is 3-for-5 in save opportunities, though one of his two blown saves was in the seventh inning; the other was a grisly April 21 loss to the Rays in which he blew a two-run lead by serving up homers to Christian Bethancourt and Brandon Lowe, the latter a two-run walk-off. How bad are things? Only one other time has the team even had a save opportunity to blow, and that was in the seventh inning of their second game of the season.
The returns of Hendriks and Garrett Crochet, the latter from Tommy John surgery, should both help the bullpen. The White Sox hope that Joe Kelly, who was activated earlier this week after missing two weeks due to a groin stain, can help as well, though his 6.42 ERA and 12.8% walk rate since donning the Pale Hose last year doesn’t inspire a ton of confidence.
It’s fair to wonder if Grifol, a first-time manager, is in over his head, but Hahn has already stepped forward to claim responsibility. “Put it on me… That’s the job. That’s the absolute gig,” he told reporters earlier this week. “I’ll tell you this — and let’s make it real clear — it sure as heck isn’t on Pedro [Grifol] and his coaching staff.”
Certainly, one can point to the Benintendi and Clevinger signings — the latter punctuated by a domestic violence investigation (though he was cleared) — at the expense of other potential moves as one facet of the team’s woes. Likewise the farm system, which ranked dead last last year according to both us and Baseball America’s organizational rankings and is only up to 23rd in the former and 28th in the latter this year. A lot of this comes back to ownership as well, as the team’s Opening Day payroll was down over $12 million relative to last year ($181.2 million versus $193.4 million), admittedly after increasing by $65 million the year before.
Already the vultures are circling, the possibility of a sell-off looming. Among the pending free agents (Giolito, Grandal, Andrus, Clevinger, López, and Keynan Middleton), only the first two would bring back much value given their current performances. Among those with club options (Anderson, Graveman, Hendriks, and Lynn), Chicago could get more, but trading its star shortstop and closer would both be unpopular moves that would hardly solve all the ills.
At some point, this team figures to improve upon this miserable early-season performance; nobody is as bad as they look during a losing streak. Still, it’s looking like it could be a long summer on the South Side.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
The way White Sox management has messed up their contention window has to be seen to be believed. If the Sox hadn’t made that incredible run in ’05, this team would be looked at as the AL Rockies.
The Rockies are horrendous, but competing against the Dodgers, Giants, and now Padres is a tall task. The Sox divisional rivals are all small market teams.
And playing at altitude is hard, maybe impossible, to figure out. That doesn’t mean the Rockies are smart, but there are far smarter people who still wouldn’t be able to figure it out.
yeah their ownership/FO doesn’t seem to get nearly the criticism they deserve
It’s not because of that. The Rockies were also good from 2007-2010. The difference is that the White Sox seemed like they had executed a rebuild after doing very well in 2020 and 2021, and even last year they weren’t bad. That kind of wiped the slate clean. But if this is the new normal for the White Sox, they’re not going to escape it this time around.
It is the complete disintegration of a team that most thought was on the rise that is so confounding. In 2022 the White Sox were a prohibitive favorite to win the AL Central and were seen as the season’s biggest disappointment but were still seen as legitimate contenders in 2023.The offense has been a disaster. Why, perhaps because not a single one of their touted hitters has amounted to much. Robert, Jimenez, Vaughn and, especially, Moncada have been shown to be far less than was advertised. The addition of Benintendi, who is the definition of an empty batting average, hasn’t helped. Kopech is another disappointment. Lynn, a huge man, showed signs of aging last year and looks cooked. Summarizing, it looks like this entire group was simply overrated.
I suppose this is just primarily bad luck when virtually every can’t miss prospect they’ve graduated has, pretty much, missed?
The question to ponder is the farm: what is down there that might help.
Because, considering last season, a bad start isn’t all they ave to deal with.
After all, their starters are to all appearances healthy.
That won’t last.
At least they’re in the ALC and nobody is going great.
But that won’t last either.
“At least they’re in the ALC and nobody is going great.
But that won’t last either.”
Ehh, if there were ever a division where 86 wins might do the trick, it is (eternally) the AL Central
But their prospects aren’t really failing, at least not in the traditional sense. Most of them have had good seasons. They just never seem to be consistent year to year. Which is odd since hitters aren’t suppose to be so volatile, and make you wonder if there’s some weird coaching issues that we aren’t seeing.
I think crappy coaching/training staff is more likely. Also a LOT of whiffs on where they spent free agent money and prospect capital during that time (way too much towards the bullpen).
This is way worse than I thought from just looking at the standings. There are some things that probably the White Sox should not have been counting on. The idea that Oscar Colas and Andrew Benintendi were solutions was absolutely wishful thinking, as was the idea that Eloy Jimenez, Luis Robert, Tim Anderson, and Yoan Moncada would all stay healthy.
But aside from Jake Burger and Gavin Sheets basically everyone has been bad. Moncada is hurt and appears to have gotten weirdly lucky when he wasn’t (outperforming his xwOBA by over 100 points). Grandal has also gotten pretty lucky and appears to be having trouble on defense now. Luis Robert has a 84 wRC+ despite being on pace for 30 homers because he is just missing when he swings. Andrew Vaughn has had a power outage.
All that said, I’m a little confused about what sort of behavior the White Sox would try and do at the trade deadline. Selling low on Cease or Robert would be crazy. Moncada and Anderson are hurt. Giolito is pitching like a 4th starter, and Gregory Santos is under team control forever. Literally no one else has trade value. Unless some of these guys get healthy or way better, they’re not going to be doing much in July.
Other teams will trade for these guys and fix them and turn them into what they should have been, and the White Sox know this, so they either will sell low or won’t sell at all. Better hope their scouting is good so they can at least get good pieces in return.
It’s not. They have the smallest pro scouting staff in the league and they deliberately don’t give their scouts any experience or training in any statistics or metrics from the 21st century because they don’t want them to have careers in other orgs.
I would suspect that their lack of training in metrics is because they legitimately don’t value it for those employees rather than to stunt the careers of their own employees and keep them from leaving. I am willing to believe the organization is thick headed a lot easier than them being deliberately spiteful.
“Wishful thinking” has been the organizational philosophy for 20 or 30 years. The fact that it worked once only reinforced their belief in it.
xwOBAgone LOL their trajectory is certainly going South(side)
I can’t believe no one has posted this – “That’s the news from the Chicago White Sox, where the offense smells strong, the pitching hasn’t been any better-looking, and all the players are below average.”
Robert and Vaughn have to be two of the most disappointing dudes in MLB as far as their development is concerned
Seeing Vaughn play collegiately in Berkeley/Palo Alto/SF a few times, I expected much better than a .157 career ISO. And maybe I didn’t pay attention to Robert’s scouting report but physically he looks like a dude who should be posting +20-HR seasons but he’s only got 41 in his career to date. The fact he walks about as often as Jeff Francoeur doesn’t help
At least they’ll always have that World Series title, even if it did come nearly 20 years ago
At least they are unfinished products. Moncada is a huge bust as the former No. 1 overall prospect in baseball.
I don’t know if “huge bust” is fair for Moncada. He put up a couple all-star level seasons before the injuries got in the way. And he was honestly always miscast as the number 1 prospect. He struck out too much his entire minor league career, no one should be surprised that he’s continued to be a high-whiff guy
I also think that it might not be fair to blame Moncada for others’ projections being obviously wrong. There was this very strong tendency in prospect scouting to drool over power-speed combinations and ignore the hit tool. People don’t make that mistake as much anymore.
Ironically I think he’s finally figured some things out but now he can’t stay healthy.
That specific tendency was also really strong with the White Sox, that was their hitter draft target for 15 years straight.
Cleveland also went that way for OF (Zimmer et al)!
Typically they made it to the bigs, had a good half season or so then faded into 4th OF jobs.
At least the current crop can hit…just not for power.
And then they went way too far in the other direction with Vaughn and Madrigal.
That is the correct analysis. Dick Vitale had a great line that describes it perfectly. In basketball he called a group that were awesome physical specimens and looked great “The All-Airport Team”. The fact that they couldn’t play was ignored. My favorite example has always been Monte Harrison, a physical Adonis who has carried a .243 average and a nearly 40% K rate in the minors. What would make anybody think he could play in the majors? He is hardly the only one, Adell, Moncada, and who can forget Franchy.
Well, Moncada did play in the majors, and he was a decent player anyway and almost seemed to be turning a corner before injuries totally ruined him. Luis Robert had a lot of the same worries too, and again, if it weren’t for the injuries I don’t think he’d be seen as a problem.
Domingo Santana, Brad Miller, Avisail Garcia, and Tyler O’Neill were (and are) frustrating but they had ups as well as downs.
There are the guys with extreme gifts and are raw who eventually do learn how to play baseball, the Cody Bellinger types
And I don’t think it was ever obvious that Jo Adell, CJ Abrams, Anthony Alford, Lewis Brinson, or Corey Ray were like this until they hit AAA.
But then there are the guys who really don’t know how to play baseball. Monte Harrison, Jorge Alfaro, Estevan Florial…Franchy Cordero too, although he was never considered a top prospect for these reasons. I don’t think I would have said this about Wil Myers earlier in his career but either he’s actually become a less intelligent player over time or his physical skills have eroded enough that it’s become obvious he doesn’t really know what he’s doing.
He has a career WRC+ of 108. He’s been basically league average. Given the level of hype, and it was uniform across the industry, that feels like a significant let down.
Hard to call a guy who’s had 2 all star-level seasons and who’s struggled with health a “huge bust.”
Disappointing, sure, but “huge bust” is a reach.
Vaughn and Torkelson are a good reminders that if the “safe college bat” plays first base they’re not that safe after all.
Even less so when you draft the safe college bat who plays first base and have him spend two years of his time learning to play the outfield.
Unlike Torkelson so far, Vaughn has shown he can hit, but then he collapses at the end of the season which tanks his overall numbers. He had a 128 wRC+ through September 15th last year and then went .111/.155/.222 the last few weeks which dropped him to 113. The previous year he went something like 8 for his last 80 because they played him while he had a bad back.
Speaking of college guys if the Pirates are in the playoff race do we see a college bat in the mlb this year? If there has ever been a guy who doesn’t look like he needs the milb…
Wonder if they’d make Cease available? Or do they not wanna tear it down again so soon after their last rebuild? They’d get a good return obviously.
They can turn that actual good pitcher into some prospects that they can fail to develop and/or ruin! Sounds about right…
As a Giolito fantasy manager, the underlying metrics are not good! I think he’s gotten a little lucky- guys are hitting his pitches to defenders more than he’s making them miss.
Man, between the White Sox, KC & Detroit, the AL Central sure is full of poorly run teams. Maybe the new regimes in KC/Detroit can turn things around, but, it is just ugly right now. It really it seems like all 3 of those teams have been 15 years behind the times for the last 5-6 years.
Add in Cleveland’s general lack of spending & the division is just plain old bad.
Cleveland lost 2 starters and brought 3 rookies in a week who didn’t embarass themselves and did well enough to get further starts. The bullpen is doing well.
And the offense hasn’t gotten started but they are healthy for the most part.
Plus they did well last year.
There is hope.
Chicago…
Things *need* to improve pretty much everywhere.
If june comes by and nothing’s changed, something will *have* to change.
Can’t blame it on LaRussa anymore.
that’s because Cleveland is a really well run org..they just spend so little that the ceiling is really low.
The development & MLB staff is good enough to get them to 75-80 wins unless things REALLY go wrong..but, they also have little path to 93+ wins because they just don’t spend enough & end up with too many replacement guys playing.
“Too many replacement guys playing”
Are you talking about this year? Their position player core has been healthy, they just collectively haven’t hit well to this point. If their injury luck changes, their second and 3rd options at most positions are as good or better than any free agents they could have signed in the off-season.
They have had some bad injury luck on the pitching side, but they’re currently filling those gaps with top-100 pitching prospects (who can actually miss bats).
I agree that they don’t have a super high ceiling, but that is due their unwillingness to spend on/trade for established, high-upside MLB players, not a lack of depth. Their well-oiled development/coaching machine has allowed them to build a deep roster without spending, but until they either acquire or develop another all-star level talent or two, this isn’t a serious WS contender.
I’d say most people in Chicago viewed La Russa as a problem but not THE problem.
As a White Sox fan battling depression…
HELP!
You and me both
Apathy is your friend.
I’ve always been a skeptic in the pale hose, and the way so many of their players are boom or bust is why.
Cease was always going to fluctuate in his performance; when his command is on, he’s fantastic. But he’s a two-pitch pitcher whose command isn’t that good. Luis Robert is one of the greatest athletes I’ve ever seen, but he’s never been consistent and he’s injury-prone as you’d expect from a max-effort guy in CF. Giolito’s upstairs changeup nonsense was always going to deflate at some point. Tim Anderson is always going to depend on his BABIP for offense, and Benentindo 64 and Elvis Alive aren’t much different. Lance Lynn is an aging fastball-first pitcher. Jiminez is always going to be injured too much to put together his fantastic tools. Yoan Moncada’s best performances always look like outliers. They just have nonstop question marks everywhere. Abreu was their most consistent player and a beloved leader, and without him they suddenly have a cracked foundation.
The team’s management gambled on high-variance players, and now they’re reaping the downsides of that strategy. I’m not surprised it’s bitten them in the rear.
I was fully expecting to see a link to the fan from last night. That was truly one of the best sports radio fan rants I have ever seen, and it apparently it wasn’t even staged.
https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1651596433261309954
This is perfect
Verno, was that his name? Did he write that out beforehand? It’s not Tommy Lasorda but if that was just spur of the moment that’s crazy.
No clue if he wrote it out, but his name is Rob Colletti.
After doing some digging it looks like his nickname is Berto.
Jon Greenberg has a nice article about him on the Athletic. Dude’s a professional actor.
That makes sense. He was several orders of magnitude more coherent than anyone else calling in to talk show.
Get that guy a podcast, stat
This was simply awesome. Thanks for sharing the link.
I’ve watched it like 15x and I have zero rooting interest with the White Sox
From a rival perspective, I hope the Twins front office doesn’t take the utter lack of competitiveness from 3/5 of the division as an opportunity to coast, but rather a chance to put the pedal to the metal and take advantage and attempt to stretch the gap in quality (and Cleveland ought to do the same). Long term, I wonder if the White Sox cratering and Royals spinning in circles offers an opportunity for the Tigers to rise a year sooner than they maybe otherwise would’ve, their front office turnover potentially giving them a well-timed head start at organizational overhaul compared to Chicago and KC.
Detroit has the pitching..assuming they can get Mize/Skubal/Manning back, to go with E-Rod, Turnbull…but, that offense is bad & it’s going to take years to overcome that.
The prior regime just drafted hitting so poorly (When they weren’t taking pitchers in the Top 10 that is, like Jackson Jobe over Mayer & Lawlar), loved to take big guys with big power, poor hit tool, & corner defense outlook..Which works about as well you would imagine it would. Bunch of guys with power that can’t get to it.
Tork & Greene are looking shakier by the day, Baez is still the bad version of himself & they’re playing AAAA guys all over the place. & other than Malloy & Keith the upper minors have ZERO possible impact bats.
I was the low person on Greene for quite a while but he’s somehow been much worse than I expected. He’s been unplayable this year. A bad defender who is on pace for 12 homers and Al’s a third of the time and a sub-300 OBP is a guy who needs to go back to AAA. And somehow Torkelson has been even worse. White Sox fans have some gripes but compared to Tigers fans?
Not even close. I remember the year they had 5 top 30 prospects (2021?) & some of my friends were anticipating the resurgence with so much glee..I kept warning them that pitchers break & Tork/Greene was as much being high draftees than what they’d actually done & that the system had little depth.
But, yeah, I didn’t even see THIS. I thought they may top out as a 80-82 win team, maybe 85 due to the shortcomings above. I didn’t think they’d still be a 70 win outfit, but, with a bottom 5 system now to boot.
It’s pretty sad that Detroit might be considered ahead of Chicago given the only thing going in their favor is they have an executive who worked in SF and with the Cubs (and we have no way of parsing what he was responsible for). But I get it.
The difference between Detroit and the White Sox is that the White Sox got a couple of winning seasons out of their rebuild before it all fell apart. The Tigers’ prospects were Mize, Manning, Torkelson, Greene, and Skubal. All of them look like busts except for maybe Skubal because maybe he’ll be good again after they reattached his arm. If they have a future it is with players who are not part of the organization.
Not too hard to imagine the Twins running away with the division. I just struggle to see where Cleveland is going to get the offense.
They really need Kwan and Gimenez to be the guys they were last year, because Jose Ramirez can’t do it all himself.
This is karma for fleecing the cubs so badly on the Quintana trade
The Sale deal worked out about evenly…disappointing on both ends. 😕
Sale was excellent for the time he was under contract when he was traded. Second and Fourth place CY finishes the first 2 years and an average third year, with 17.4 WAR. It’s the extension which started in 2020 that’s been terrible.
Yep. Also, flags fly forever!
The White Sox have been awful, but OMG the A’s. They’ve played 26 games and already been outscored by over 100 runs! Outscored by 4.34 runs per game when the average team scores 4.56. They are on pace to be outscored by 704 runs, which would be more than 17 teams scored last year.
The A’s are where they are on purpose.
ChiSox weren’t aiming for this.
But most perplexing is LAA: year after year they fall short.
Should be interesting to see a piece explaining how they’re falling short this year.
That’s the big difference. A’s just need to line up the start of their window with their arrival at Vegas at this point, and churn assets until then.
Results in Oakland are no longer relevant, besides maybe the September before the move.
On pace to win 37 games. I’ve been waiting and hoping for a team to be worse than the 2003 Tigers for a while now. And they’re doing it despite Brent Rooker on all-time hot streak.
Actually, you’re off. On pace for 29-133. Zoinks!
& as of this AM, both KC & White Sox are on pace for 40.5-121.5..though they’re nowhere near the level of the A’s.
I saw a graphic circulating on Twitter. The White Sox tied with the Rockies for having invested the least amount of resources in baseball analytical operations and data analysts. This, of course, should come as a surprise to no one watching this team for the past decade. They don’t value the things that most forward-thinking organizations value.
I think baseball fans can stomach losing to a degree if there’s hope that things will get better. But that’s the sad part with the White Sox: there is no hope. There’s nothing promising on the farm. There’s no indication that any of these executives are operating on a remotely lukewarm seat. The only thing bleaker than the present is the future.
Some of the fans have begun to turn on Pedro and that’s not fair. He’s doing the best he can with what he have and he doesn’t have much. It’s a shame to think that his reputation and legacy as a manager are being tied to this mess.
It’s not on Pedro. But they said they wanted to hire someone with coaching experience from a World Series caliber org, and then hired Chris Getz’s buddy from KC, one of the only teams actually worse than the White Sox. And KC had him in the org forever and wanted to bring in someone from outside the org. He shouldn’t have been hired in the first place.
Rick Hahn should get FIRED. Let’s go over this. One of the worst defensive teams in baseball and they are talking to the worst defensive SS in baseball (Tim Anderson) on an extension. Who on this team can take a walk? Again, one of the worst teams in baseball in the obp category. Almost a completely right handed lineup. They go out and sign Benintendi, a left handed bat with zero power. They expect Colas, who struck out .33% of the time in the minority leagues to somehow strikeout less in the majors. The sign Andrus to play 2b after 4 abysmal years in Oak.
He sort of volunteered with his recent speech.
Sounded like he’s on the clock.
Somebody like Billy Martin or Mike Keenan is what this team needs.
No one looks like they want to be there. It is a team playing out the string, but it is April (but feels like late September).
This is still salvageable, actually, since there is “talent” on this team (relative to the blanks in KC and Oak, for example), but you need the right manager to do something…or something for them to rally around (like in Major League).
Maybe when Anderson comes back next week, he will try and light a fire under his team.
I suppose having a better manager wouldn’t hurt but your description sounds a whole lot like Ozzie Guillén and you know who the White Sox do not need right now? Ozzie Guillén.
As a long suffering Twins fan, I honestly do not have the words to describe my utter joy and delight in reading every word of this piece.
Where is Tony LaRussa? I’ll bet they would be .500 under his stewardship 🤣
They’re well under without him.
Also, careful what you wish on others. Your team has its own recent history of injuries and non-performers.
One elbow or two later…
xwOBAgone
@Jay Jaffe – How long have you been waiting to use that one? LOL
If he was cleared and this has zero to do with baseball, why even mention this?
“the latter punctuated by a domestic violence investigation (though he was cleared)”
And if you’re implying it’s some sort of distraction that’s leading to his poor performance, then why not say so?
Seems like you’re just trying to re-soil his name for zero reason here.
Because there are a world of guys out there that would have signed for that money who could have produced this little and not ever had anything like this alleged. You want some facet of a player to not suck, but the best you can say about Clevenger is that he wasn’t suspended for domestic violence. Damning with faint praise, I think it’s called.
Benintendi I just did not understand what the appeal of a big contract for a hitter like him who’s also declaimed as a fielder.. Red Sox fan here and he just seemed to get worsen each year which was bizarre. But why did it suddenly become a thing that players like him get a sizable contract? Before that everyone was wondering what their plan was in FA. The result is not much. At this point they are getting close to the blow it all up line but they should start with their organizational structure. MLB budgets have increased and it’s time for the White Sox to allocate resources appropriate to an org valued in the billions.
It’s only a big contract for the White Sox because they’ve never given a long AAV contract. He’s the 10th highest paid player on the team this year (the contract is backloaded and it’d be 4th for tax purposes).
Selling the team is the only hope for this franchise.